@Charlie Wrex:

For starters, there are (NO) reliable figures, what numbers do exist are significantly obfuscated by vested interests on all sides. However, if the war complex had not funded, armed, trained and supplied the war against Syria, we would not have so much death and destruction.

Charlie just as many civilians are dying in Mosul, yet I never hear you mention that. How come???

Whats your view on the deliberate shelling of, and airstrikes on, civilians? How about specifically targetting their hospitals?

Is the article about Mosul? Or does whataboutery constitute an answer to you PaulJ?

Assad or Islamic extremists. That’s the choice.

@Charlie Wrex: Here’s how the US, Israel, al-Qaeda and ISIS work together in Syria
Afra’a Dagher
Simultaneous US and Israeli airstrikes on Syrian military positions in the eastern city of Deir-ez-Zour and in Al-Quneitra show how the US and Israel manipulate ISIS and Al-Qaeda to wage their war of aggression against Syria.
The Syrian battlefield is now witnessing an escalation of the war. This is despite the fact that it is supposed to be a time of cessation of hostilities brokered by the US and Russia.
The Syrian war has two major fronts. The first and most important is in southern Syria, on the borderline with Israel and the occupied territories of the Syrian Golan Heights. This area is divided into two areas: the liberated area of Al-Quneitra, and the occupied area of the Golan Heights where Jabhat Al-Nusra and Al-Qaeda’s base their fighters.
http://theduran.com/how-the-us-israel-al-qaeda-and-isis-work-together-in-the-war-against-syria/

This article is about the conflict in Syria which is part of the wider ME conflict, of which the Mosul siege is one of the main current events. Have you proof that civilians are deliberately targeted, or hospitals that aren’t used by terrorists are being deliberately targeted? Civilians dying in airstrikes or hospitals getting hit are not proof of being deliberately targeted. If terrorists are using medical facilities or civilian areas for military purposes then they will be hit, as the US have hit hospitals in Mosul and smashed one to bits in Afghanistan in the last year. The Yanks will tell you these strikes were targeting terrorists, and the Russians and SAA use the same line. Obviously the SAA are more reckless in their airstrikes the latter two and I don’t think anyone would deny that. In urban warfare civilian casualties are inevitable.

Your implacable hatred of Israel knows no bounds Another lie against the Jews They are not helping all Qaeda with advanced anti tank weapons that would be insane The Druse in the Golan heights are very glad to be in Israel and not Syria

Palestine is still the issue https://vimeo.com/17401477

John Pilger first made the film ‘Palestine Is Still The Issue’ in 1977. It told how almost a million Palestinians had been forced off their land in 1948, and again in 1967. Twenty five years later, John Pilger returned to the West Bank of Jordan and Gaza, and to Israel, to ask why the Palestinians, whose right of return was affirmed by the United Nations more than half a century ago, are still caught in a terrible limbo – refugees in their own land, controlled by Israel in the longest military occupation in modern times.

“If we are to speak of the great injustice here, nothing has changed,” says Pilger at the start of the film, “What has changed is that the Palestinians have fought back. Stateless and humiliated for so long, they have risen up against Israel’s huge military regime, although they themselves have no army, no tanks, no American planes and gunships or missiles. Some have committed desperate acts of terror, like suicide bombing. But, for Palestinians, the overriding, routine terror, day after day, has been the ruthless control of almost every aspect of their lives, as if they live in an open prison. This film is about the Palestinians and a group of courageous Israelis united in the oldest human struggle, to be free.”

John Pilger reporting on Israel is about as biased as CNN reporting on Aleppo In 1948 Jews had bought quiet a lot of the land At most 200000 Palestinians were displaced Israel was attached by 4 neighbouring countries in the first month of its existence By the way as all this was going on all the Jews living in Arab countries were driven out over 800000

@John003:

He has more credibility than most. I have no time for people that justify Israel’s, apartheid, ethnic destructions, stolen lands, illegal settlements. They have no more right to land as the next Arab.

Palestinians are a self invented people, a PLO, Arafat invention. Millions if not billions have been given in charity to the ‘Palestinians’ over the decades, for what? So their terrorist leaders of Hamas live in luxury.. and don’t forget, Jews are from Judea, Arabs are from Arabia.

@Nazerene:

Most have more in common with American genes than Judea – the rest, well, roughly 21% of Israel’s more than eight million citizens are Arabs. The vast majority of the Israeli Arabs – 81% – are Muslims.

Interesting padraig. Given you awful life is in Israel for muslims its not surprising that theyre abandoning Israel in their tens of thousands every day… No wait, thats not right… Whats an american gene btw? Heartening to see you avoid my earlier question though – and reverting to type blaming them pesky jooooozzz. The moral relativism is strong in you.

There is no such thing as American genes, unless that is they are Native American, which is highly unlikely. Also 21% of of Israelis being of different ethnicity disproves “ethnic destruction”.. I think you forget the Muslims very own Koran mandates the ethnic destruction of the Jews, Quran (2:191-193).

@Nazerene:

Maybe it would have been better to say Russian genes, and every other gene, but Israel. The end of the day, it is predominantly an illegal occupation by people not from there, kicking out people that have more right to be there.

@Nazerene: “Jews are from Judea, Arabs are from Arabia.”

lol

A bit like what Russia is doing in Ukraine Croatia did to Serbia Poland did to East Prussia All sad but Palestinians are the only 3rd generation refugees in all these conflicts

I’m guessing history is not one of your strong points Guybrush, . — Jews have a history in Judea and Samaria dating back from time immemorial. For instance, Shechem, otherwise known as Nablus, has Jewish history dating back to Abraham. Shechem was the first place that Abraham set foot in when he arrived in Israel. — As for Arabs, before the unfortunate spread of Islam the term ‘Arab’ referred to the Nomadic people of the northern and central ‘Arabian’ (clue) peninsula. — A little education will go a long way.

@Nazerene: The only western journalist on the ground in East Aleppo until yesterday was Vanessa Beeley . Please listen to what she had to say :
Getting Real News From Aleppo – With Vanessa Beeley .
There is plenty of reporting about what is going on in Aleppo, but there are very few reporters. In today’s Liberty Report we are joined live from Syria by independent journalist and researcher Vanessa Beeley for some rare on-the-ground reporting. e:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgnTskvdYi0&feature=share

@Clever Jake: The UK and US are not innocent when it comes to Syria. The Syrian Government blocked a deal with Qatar allowing pipelines for the transport of gas through its territory to the Mediterranean and decided on a deal with Iran instead. The US and UK , with support from Saudi Arabia and Quarter decided to topple the Syrian Government.
In an interview with the French TV station LCP, former French minister for Foreign Affairs Roland Dumas said:
‘’ I’m going to tell you something. I was in England two years before the violence in Syria on other business. I met with top British officials, who confessed to me that they were preparing something in Syria.
This was in Britain not in America. Britain was organizing an invasion of rebels into Syria. They even asked me, although I was no longer minister for foreign affairs, if I would like to participate.
Naturally, I refused, I said I’m French, that doesn’t interest me.’’
Dumas went on give the audience a quick lesson on the real reason for the war that has now claimed the lives of tens of thousands of people.
‘’This operation goes way back. It was prepared, preconceived and planned… in the region it is important to know that this Syrian regime has a very anti-Israeli stance.
Consequently, everything that moves in the region- and I have this from the former Israeli prime minister who told me ‘we’ll try to get on with our neighbours but those who don’t agree with us will be destroyed.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/former-french-foreign-minister-the-war-against-syria-was-planned-two-years-before-the-arab-spring/5339112