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RESPONSIBILITY FOR ATROCITIES committed in Aleppo lies with Syria and its Russian and Iranian backers, US President Barack Obama has said, as Damascus suspended the evacuation of civilians and fighters from the city’s last rebel-held areas.
Denouncing the “horror” in Aleppo, Obama called for impartial observers and warned President Bashar al-Assad that he would not be able to “slaughter his way to legitimacy”.
“The world as we speak is united in horror at the savage assault by the Syrian regime and its Russian and Iranian allies on the city of Aleppo,” he told an end-of-year news conference.
This blood and these atrocities are on their hands.
UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon earlier warned that Aleppo had become “a synonym for hell” and said the United Nations urged “all necessary measures” for a safe resumption of the evacuation.
The Security Council could vote as early as this weekend on a French-drafted proposal to allow international observers in Aleppo and ensure urgent aid deliveries.
US Ambassador Samantha Power said after a closed-door council meeting that UN officials were ready to be sent quickly to Aleppo.
“The presence of independent observers can deter some of the worst horrors,” she said.
French Ambassador Francois Delattre said: “The immediate priority is to save lives, to stop the massacres and to avoid a new Srebrenica,” referring to the massacre of Bosnian Muslims during the Balkan wars.
Russian Ambassador Vitaly Churkin, however, argued that it would take weeks to send monitors to Aleppo.
Besieged villages
Turkey and a Syrian military source said the evacuation from the city had been suspended but was not yet over, while Moscow insisted the operation was “complete”, with all women and children moved from the city.
Amid the confusion, a convoy of evacuees that had already left the east when the operation was suspended was forced to turn back, an AFP correspondent said.
The International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC), supervising the evacuations, said it was looking into reports of shooting before the convoy was turned back.
The delicate operation to bring the last civilians and rebels out of east Aleppo began on Thursday and continued overnight, with thousands leaving in buses and ambulances.
But yesterday it was abruptly suspended, with the government accusing rebels of violating the terms of the deal.
State television said rebels had tried to smuggle out heavy weapons and hostages.
The opposition accused the government of suspending the operation in a bid to secure the evacuation of residents from Fuaa and Kafraya, two villages under rebel siege in northwest Syria.
The government and Iran have reportedly sought to add an evacuation of civilians from the villages to the terms of the Aleppo deal.
The Britain-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said pro-government fighters had blocked the road the convoy had been using and rebels were refusing the evacuation of residents of Fuaa and Kafraya.
Evacuating the last rebel pocket in Aleppo had been scheduled to start on Wednesday, but was delayed by a day because of government objections, including over Fuaa and Kafraya.
Clashes resumed for several hours before the deal was revived, and buses and ambulances began transporting evacuees to rebel territory in western Aleppo province.
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The Observatory estimated some 8,500 people had left before the operation was suspended, including around 3,000 rebels.
Syrian state media reported a figure of around 8,000.
Ahmad al-Dbis, a doctor helping coordinate the evacuation of the wounded, said at least 500 evacuees had wounds or illnesses requiring treatment.
From a staging area near the town of Khan al-Aasal people were travelling further west, heading either to camps for the displaced or to stay with relatives or friends.
The departures began a month to the day after government forces launched a major offensive to retake all of Aleppo and secure the regime’s biggest victory in more than five years of conflict.
In a video message Thursday, Assad said the “liberation” of Aleppo was “history in the making”.
But US Secretary of State John Kerry said what had already happened there was “unconscionable”, raising concerns for the “tens of thousands of lives that are now concentrated into a very small area of Aleppo”.
It is unclear how many people remain in east Aleppo, with tens of thousands fleeing to territory held by the government or Kurds in recent days, but perhaps tens of thousands are still inside.
‘Heart-breaking’
The evacuations have been emotional for departing residents desperate for relief after months of bombardment and siege, but also tearful at the prospect of potentially permanent exile.
In the dust of one bus window, someone traced: “One day we will return”.
“The scene was heart-breaking,” said Marianne Gasser from the ICRC Syria. “People are faced with impossible choices. You see their eyes filled with sadness.”
A blast at a Damascus police station, meanwhile, was caused by a seven-year-old girl being sent in carrying “a bomb” that was detonated remotely, state news agency SANA said.
It was believed to be the first time such a young child has been used to detonate an explosive device in the war.
A police source told the Al-Watan daily that she asked to use the bathroom and the explosives detonated.
More than 310,000 people have been killed since the conflict began with anti-government protests in 2011, and over half the population has been displaced, with millions becoming refugees.
Diplomatic efforts — including several rounds of peace talks in Geneva — failed to make progress in resolving the conflict, which reached a turning point last year when Russia launched an air war in support of Assad.
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So let me get this right…
Obama, Gulf States, Israel, UK, France and Turkey fund and train Islamist groups who commit the worse war crimes against the Syrian people. This is to remove Assad who declined a gas pipeline run through his country.
The destruction of Syrian and death/displacement of its civilians is then blamed on the Syrian government and Russia who has aided it when they are forced to remove the Islamist death wave.
Are we to be taken for complete fools?
The pipeline deal went to Iran in 2012, the uprising was in 2011, if protesters were given a platform armed rebellion would not have been needed
The pipeline deal was signed in 2009 between Syria, Iran and Iraq, right before Syria was invaded by foreign mercenaries.
In 2009, according to WikiLeaks, soon after Bashar Assad rejected the Qatar pipeline, the CIA began funding opposition groups in Syria.
Assad signed off on the Iran plan in 2012 and it was due to be completed in 2016 but it was ultimately delayed because of the Arab Spring and the civil war
Here mate do a quick check on Google for the financial papers and you will see the deal was signed in 2009.
You just said different state agents started an insurgency hence Asadd bears the responsibility??? Is clever jake an ironic pseudonym?
@Red You talking about the pipe the Russians are bringing with Iran through Syria into Lebanon. Qatar wants to bring one with the Sauds into Turkey, hence the reason America has helped terrorist ocupy northern syria to prevent it.
@Clever Jake:
Think you need to change your handle to Gullible Mick
“The Arab Spring” was a media label created by some marketing department to paint it as something soft, fluffy, lovely and great whence in actuality it was none of those things. A foreign (US) inspired, planned and funded Trojan Horse to topple the Syrian State supported by Saudi et al and pushed by a biased western media. I myself once was naive and believed that which I saw and read in media until my own enlightenment. Now I question even prescribed history painted as fact.
What people rarely understand is grassroots movements are nearly anything but how we think what a grassroots movement would be. The French Revolution is often used as an example of grassroots, but it was not in the peasant. It was led and inspired by people in positions of power. The peasants were used (and the death toll was huge) as an instrument to achieve a means for the bourgeoisie. It was a genuine movement in the people had had enough of oligarchy, Liberté, égalité, fraternité the chant of the masses. It achieved many things; it was a movement, but like all movements, they have power structures.
Syria was not an uprising at all, not in any sense of the word and was entirely external. Or as someone from Syria put it.
” I live in Lattakia, Syria. I have been here for more than 30 years. From day 1, all of us knew it was never a revolution. Yes, some people wanted change and that is their right, but what happened here was NOT a revolution! It has been orchestrated from outside and this poor country has been destroyed piece by piece. It is heartbreaking. So many lives lost. So many people’s lives destroyed and what for???? Just because the US wants regime change!!! It is so wrong, so unfair! All we can do is hope that by some miracle good sense will prevail, but somehow I doubt it!!”
@Clever Jake: No, it started in Tunisia. Are you just making this up as you go along?
@Clever Jake:
He was not a brutal dictator but anyway. His father was closer to a brutal dictator and also far removed. You are looking at a man in isolation, that tells 25% of the story.
Your next paragraph needs clarification.
@Pádraig Ó Raghaill: That individual is engaging in the common human practice of blaming all of one’s problems on ‘someone else’. There were large scale protests and riots in Syria in 1973 opposing secularism and demanding a more Islamic constitution – which they got.
Syria had a problem with violent religious fundamentalists for decades. And Syrian who deny their own home-grown problems are part of the problem.
It’s not all that different to Americans blaming Russia as the big bad external bogeyman who put Trump in power – conveniently ignoring the real home-grown conflicts within their society. Or Ukrainians who’d like to ignore their long-standing home-grown neo-Nazi movement in favour of blaming solely the Russians or Americans. Healthy societies don’t get picked off so easily by external vultures.
@Marlowemallow:
I don’t think that is entirely her context or reasoning. I don’t disagree with what you said overall; just her context was about the latest troubles. It was far from organic, home grown, or without external forces.
The horrors of Aleppo are rooted in US sponsored civil war to remove an elected head of state from a prosperous secular country which did not comply with US interests. Now Obama points the finger from his moral high ground ignoring the blood on his own hands in starting this war and maintaining drone strikes and other military actions in several other countries.
Elected yeah, in a referendum with no other candidates
@David Mac Shite: oh the irony America pointing the finger and blaming others believing their hands are clean …… talk about delusional and having absolutely no insight into the part they have played in the ensuing mayhem in Syria.
Also I’m sick of reading about the Syrian “regime”. This is a democratically elected government. Irish “journalists” say it all the time while kissing the behind of our American cousins. This world is unbelievable.
@David Mac Shite: Syria pre-war was not secular. It was relatively secular. The constitution of 1973 was amended following riots by the fundamentalists to include the following: ” The religion of the President of the Republic has to be Islam. Islamic jurisprudence is a main source of legislation.” That’s not secular. Not all Syrians wanted to live in a secular state.
Syria had a homegrown jihadist movement for decades (if not 1400 years…). Those jihadists and their supporting violent religious fundamentalists were one of the main reasons why the Assad dynasty abused human rights. Most states who end up with violent jihadists in their midst end up doing that and that’s not a coincidence.
The current state of Syria certainly coulndn’t have happened without the interference of both the US and every other regional power – including Saudi, Turkey, Iran and Qatar – but it also couldn’t have happened if there had not been a grassroots support base for the fundamentalists that long predates even the existence of the US.
@Marlowemallow: Islam is to blame, Islam is to blame, Islam is to blame . . . wash, rinse, repeat . . .
The ISLAMIC State is said to have executed a 24 year old woman this very morning, she was found guilty of adultery and publicly shamed and stoned to death in Mosul. Although she was found guilty of adultery, in reality the 24 year old Assyrian Christian refused to marry an Islamic State Jihadist an so her accused her.
*and
@niel. #IslamIsTheProblem. #IslamIsTheProblem #IslamIsTheProblem #IslamIsTheProblem #IslamIsTheProblem #IslamIsTheProblem
@David Mac Shite @Walter Black:
There is a huge misconception about Assad being ‘democratically’ elected. It’s true there were elections, but these were not multi-party (which were banned in the 1970′s), in other words the Ba’ath party were the only show in town and held power in perpetuity. If you weren’t a Ba’ath supporter you were completely disenfranchised.
This is the equivalent of the electorate here being asked to choose between three FG candidates and if you didn’t like FG then tough sh*t. How many people here would think Ireland was a democracy if that’s the only choice we were offered??
And who are you blaming for the slaughter in Yemen
If western interests hadn’t bankrolled Al-Qaeda affiliates in trying to topple Assad then we wouldn’t be in situation.
@Shaun Gallagher: Plenty of blame to go around. Sunni-Shia religious bigotry based on a dynastic inheritance dispute 1400 years ago deserves some of the blame.
Nothing to do with his ‘moderate’ head hackers so. The sooner Obama is gone the better, a disaster of a President.
@Nazerene: The only western journalist on the ground in East Aleppo until yesterday was Vanessa Beeley . Please listen to what she had to say :
Getting Real News From Aleppo – With Vanessa Beeley .
There is plenty of reporting about what is going on in Aleppo, but there are very few reporters. In today’s Liberty Report we are joined live from Syria by independent journalist and researcher Vanessa Beeley for some rare on-the-ground reporting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgnTskvdYi0&feature=share
@Nazarene
You’re disgusting. Innocent civilians, including children being massacred and you take a shot at Obama.
You’re the embodiment of the kind of apathy that’s allowed this atrocity to continue unchecked.
How very Christian of you.
@Bryan Kelly:
Oh, get over the emotive fueled rhetoric already. Won’t somebody think of the children. Jesus, the children would still be at school if it were not for Obama and clan.
Just go Yobama you are embarrassing yourself!
By saying the people who engineered the atrocity in Aleppo are responsible for the atrocity in Aleppo.
You’re as disgusting as @TheNazarene, using a human rights nightmare where innocent children are dying to take a cheap shot at Obama.
The people who engineered the crisis in Aleppo are Obama and his sunni allies in the ME. They have weapons to the sectarian terrorists who came from abroad and rural Aleppo/Idlib and occupied large parts of the city. Thankfully they have now been defeated and the celebrations of tens of thousands on the streets of Aleppo show what this victory means to the people of that city. There are human right nightmares in Yemen and Mosul right now but you won’t hear the hypocrite Obama mention them, seeing as his forces are either doing the killing of supplying the weapons to do the killing, the Yanks really would sicken you!
It wasn’t a cheap shot, I meant it. In case you forgot this a war, people suffer and die in wars, war is he’ll, a war brought about by the Obama administration, other western backers and various head hacking Jihadist groups. Like I said the sooner Your Yobama is gone the better… Clown.
*hell
Obama will blame anyone except himself for his ill decisions while he was in the office. US created Daesh and destabilized middle East and practically half of the world. Wtf?
This coming from a man who got the Nobel Peace Prize!!! Both he and the Nobel committee should hang their heads in shame for their actions. He calls for “impartial observers” to be allowed into Aleppo but I thought that they were already there! I mean his regime have been quoting them day and night for the last number of months if not years. Surely they were the ones that reported on the numerous humanitarian corridors that were opened unilaterally by Assad’s crew over the last few months to allow people safe passage from East to West only for the “moderate” rebels to mortar and shoot anyone trying to use them. Oh wait, nobody in the Western media seemed to have picked that up.
On the other hand if these impartial observers do get into Aleppo where are they going to fit what with 100,000+ civilians packed into 2.5 square kilometres? Oh hang on a sec, Sky News is now reporting that there are in fact only 50,000 in rebel held territory. So if 6,500 have left according to the Russians what happened to the other 43,500 others?
Maybe Obamas “impartial”observers can find them when they get into Aleppo, maybe they will fall over a couple of missing WMD’s from Iraq while they are at it!
Obama, how shamefull American elites, Libya, Yemen, Iraq, Syria, so many innocent lives lost and destroyed for your greed and arrogance.
So Barrack, even though you were the most powerful man on the planet for the last 8 years your hands are clean re Syria??
Associated fücking press …
@Ian O’ Connor: Pravda had nothing on them.
Oh the hypocrisy astounds me.
It was US interference that has caused this atrocity.
What has Iran got to do with the siege in Aleppo? No one mentioned Qatars involvement. Obama certainly didnt.
Iran is a major Assad backer. It has provided arms & men for the conflict, as well as sending Hezbollah up from Lebanon to fight for the Syrian government.
@saoirse janneau:
“What has Iran got to do with the siege in Aleppo?”
Are you for real?
Yeah because the yanks and Brits were using daffodils as ammunition in Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya
Cry me a river Obama
I blame radical Muslims.
No such thing as radical Muslims, ask yourself, where do ISIS, Al Queda, Boko Haram, FSA and the hundreds more Islamic terrorist groups get their mandate from?
@nazerine. They get Thier mandate from the Qur’an, of course, and the radical preachers who spin it’s words to foment hatred.
Muhammad the so called perfect Muslim and founder of Islam, he preached hatred, and lived up to how he preached, was he ‘radical’ or just being true to his Ideology? There is no spin, it is what it is.
Pontius Pilate springs to mind. Fresh bowl of water please. All of the international community has failed.
Whatever side you are on, the inescapable reality is that the lives of non combatants, men women an children were sacrificed for a military objective, the retaking of Aleppo. Both sides engaged in horrendous atrocities while ordinary civilians paid the price.
Modern armed conflict often takes place in urban locations. Those involved will kill human beings with little or no regard. That’s the reality.
Soldiers often kill civilians and often the soldiers thoroughly enjoy their carnage.
Whatever spin people here want to put on the Syrian war we have to remember that this began as a civil war between different tribal factions within Syria. Aleppo is has seen the slaufhter of Syrian citizens at the hands of a ruthless dictator having handed his country over to Russia, Iran and other poxy states for the purposes of defeating an internal enemy, his own citizenship. The war is far from over and the minds of the people may never be healed of the barbarism they have suffered, God help them.
Chris you’re putting on your own spin on this war FFS! Explain how this war is tribal, or even a sectarian war when the majority of the SAA is Sunni?
By the way this “internal” enemy you speak of has thousands of foreign Jihadis, is supported by Qatar, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, UK, US and a host of other countries. Assad is fighting these countries proxies in Syria!
@PaulJ: It’s not an either/or choice between domestic and international causes. It’s both. Syria had violent Islamist supremacists for decades who have made common cause with external enemies/allies – depending on your perspective. That’s totally normal in civil wars and all wars.
Read up on the history of how the 1973 constitution was amended to appease the violent bigots. Syrian people are just like everyone else – neither all innocent, passive victims, nor all crazy, violent lunatics. Like all societies, they produce their own home-grown problems which outside forces can then exploit for their own ends.
I do agree that the roots of the conflict are deep and historical. It is a complex and nuanced situation. However, The Syrian State was able to contain and subdue this threat for years by admittedly robust means which unfortunately seem a necessary evil to maintain order in the volatile ME. It was CIA intervention that tilted the balance in favor of anarchy and chaos to bring about the destruction of status quo Syria and replace it with US puppet administration to further enhance US hegemony.
@David Mac Shite: There are logical implications that follow from recognizing that Syria is both an internal and regional/proxy conflict. From an Irish perspective, we have just about no influence over what happens in the Middle East. But how we deal with the migration flow from there is within our control.
And once we recognize that the conflict contains an internal dynamic – one in which war crimes and genocide are being perpetrated by Syrians on Syrians – we then need to ask how we are going to ensure that we don’t grant entry to Ireland to any Syrian citizen who has been involved in such crimes. Because no one who has perpetrated war crimes and genocide is entitled to refugee status.
Pending war crimes tribunals (which won’t happen and if they did it would be under Assad and therefore kangaroo courts) that’s not actually possible. There is no possible way for the Irish gardai and civil servants who currently conduct our ‘screening process’ to determine whether or not the individual in front of them is guilty of such crimes or not.
So the EU/Irish government policy of resettling refugees from that conflict is flawed and places the safety of all Irish residents – including innocent refugees – at risk. An unacceptable risk, in my view.
That inconvenient truth is, I believe, one of the core motives behind the insistence on minimizing and denying the sectarian and civil war aspects of the Syrian/Iraqi conflict in favour of focusing on external intervention.
Ok marlow, there was a lot in that and in fairness you do present a very articulate opinion which seems well founded in research. I would say that I view the conflict and refugees as two separate issues in terms of solutions. All conflicts which saw mass movements of people contained fleeing former combatants hiding amongst the people. You cannot deny help to desperate millions for fear of a few amongst them. Civil wars by nature are the worst type as they involve most often people of the same nationality but when they are removed from the environment of civil war they largely revert to normal civilian life again. Indeed, we had a civil war ourselves. Even former Nazi Officials hiding amongst German Refugees post WWII often became model citizens in their new societies.
@David Mac Shite: Yes war criminals and genocide perpetrators are always among war refugees and post World War Two was no different. However, what you’re overlooking here are a few core differences:
1. Nazi Germany was thoroughly defeated in 1945.
2. Nazism was a nation-stated based ideology and would not function without control of the German state.
3. Nazi ideology was a conventional military ideology and combatants would not have, and did not, continued hostilities as individuals or small groups after their military superiors officially surrendered.
4. Nazism relied heavily on the cult of personality of Hitler.
There are other differences but those will do for now. In the case of violent jihadism:
1. It is not defeated – nor will it be defeated if IS is defeated in Syria and Iraq.
2. It is not a nation-state based ideology but a religiously based one. It requires no territory to function.
3. It has never been a conventional military-based strategy but relies instead on inspiring lone wolves and independent cells.
4. It does not rely on any cult of personality or group and is therefore independent of the defeat of any part.
The other crucial thing to notice is that German refugees (other than Jews) were not resettled in the states with which the Nazis had declared war. They were largely taken in by South America. In fact, Germans in central and eastern Europe were forcibly resettled back to Germany after the war – regardless of individual guilt or otherwise.
Jews, you’ll notice, were singled out for rrefuge on the basis of their religion/ethnicity. Any suggestion that the same should be done for Christians in Syria and Iraq suffering from genocide now results in claims of unjust discrimination on the basis of religion…
Jihadists in Syria, and not just IS but Al Nusra and every other group, have been engaged in war not just with fellow Syrians – because they are not nationalists remember – but on a religious category – unbelievers and hypocrites. It is a civil war but not only a civil war and that is where it differs from the Irish civil war or Nazi Germany. The jihadists are and have aways been at war with all of Europe, including our population of insufficiently devout muslims.
The Americans funded the Marshall Plan and rebuilt Germany and Japan rather than resettling German or Japanese refugees. That was vastly more effective in every way and did not place the safety of US citizens at risk unnecessarily.
The debate is not about whether or not to help people fleeing war – the question should be how to help them. The normal way in which states have helped refugees is to fund assistance for them in the nearest safe area. That’s the only sane response. The right to refuge does not mean a right to refuge in the country of your choice, it never has and it never should.
Fingers crossed the evacuation from Aleppo will restart soon….the first lot of the 1500 trucks of humanitarian aid that left Istanbul on Wednesday have just arrived at the Syrian border where camps have been set up for the 80,000 refuges due to arrive in the next few days. 3 makeshift emergency hospitals have been set up….also they are appealing for help with providing the refuges with clothes. At the moment only 7000 people have arrived so far from Aleppo which leaves possibley another 70.000 people trapped as they are expecting at least 80,000 refugees.
What rubbish are you taking? There were 15k including the Jihadis left in the enclave on Aleppo and over half of them have left. They are not going to the Turkish border but to Idlib and rural western Aleppo province to areas under Islamist control.
Has anyone else noticed the change in labels lately? The names of Islamic headhackers are changing daily. Even the IS contingent leaving Raqqa to take Palmyra are now not ISIS or IS or ISIL but Islamic Militants. As for the “rebels” in Aleppo some estimates put them at 90% foreigners. If they are foreigners they can’t be rebels.
As for Obama, he has destroyed any credibility he had left today by again saying that the Russians hacked the emails rather than them being leaked by a disgruntled insider disgusted at the corruption. History will ultimately make such statements his legacy and judge him accordingly.
Obama.
A political eunuch.
No shortage of people on here over the last few days celebrating the Assad regime regaining control of Aleppo. I wonder why they see fit to jump into bed with Assad when he is as guilty as the rebels and other factions in the loss of life of so many Syrian civilians.
# Putinbots come out to play, Keep on trolling or lose your pay. Muddy discussions and dull the air, Orders direct from Lubyanka Square… #
Red thumb that Western lickspittle comrades! How dare he mock our sacred misinformation campaign?
pot kettle anyone?
The ‘Syrian Observatory for Human Rights’ is, I believe, one man living in a flat in Coventry, UK. Hardly the font of all truth or information in Syria…but his output suits some narratives.
Eva Bartlett is, I believe, a Useful Idiot who was invited at the behest of the Assad regime. Hardly the font of truth or information in Syria…but her output suits some narratives.
‘Truth and information’? Well let’s judge both comments on their merit.
Joseph’s comment is factually true. There is no denying it. Harry’s comment is all conjecture without any evidence whatsoever.
@Guybrush Threepwood:
Whilst calling her a useful idiot is perhaps conjecture, it’s factually true to say she was in Syria as a guest of the Assad regime – she has readily said that herself.
@PaulJ: Like hell they are Paul I think it is you who is talking rubbish I was watching a live news cast from the Syrian border for over an hour this morning and saw the makeshift hospitals and the people waiting to help the refugees approximately 7000 according to the news have arrived at different parts along the border the camps are expecting approx 800O0 refugees. I saw sone of the trucks on the news cast of the 1500 trucks that left Istanbul on Wednesday organised by a turkish based large humanitarian organisation.as a matter of fact we have been in touch with a friend who was actually driving one of the trucks so get back into your box we are getting info first hand.
Obama just gave Iran 1.7 billion dollars, 400 million in cash
The Russians blame the USA for the horrors and total destruction in Iraq and Libya it’s all western media anti Russian propaganda
This coming from president drone
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