@openborders idiot

Has a beard like yours Liam , not quite as wispy mind

Mick, I don’t believe anything unless it comes from Kelly-Ann Conway’s mouth.

Sorry Liam I was a little mean

Good shout

@OpenBorders: And yet OpenBorders still walks free.

@stefanovich: “This would be protected speech in the US.”

Irrelevant. It’s not in the US is it?
If a Muslim had posted this and was charged and jailed, you would be celebrating and not defending them.

Not the US but the fascist state formally known as the UK. You presume a lot. I would celebrate the arrest of someone with explicit plans to cause harm, not a troll with anger issues. The only people celebrating now are leftists who want to shut down free speech.

The constitution is above the president.

Stefanovich> the things the US allow as free speech is simply illegal in most of Europe. Hate speech isn’t allowed which I am fine with as are most people.

It’s a crime in Ireland to say something which is insulting to one of the specified protected groups and which are likely to stir up hatred. Truth is not a defence. Now that’s an Orwellian thoughtcrime – judges like amateur psychologists deciding how words ‘stir’ one particular emotion. Thankfully the Gardai don’t go around prosecuting for it too much. That and our blasphemy law needs to go. Incitement to crime is the proper limit to free speech, not this nonsense of inciting feelings.

5 years for Facebook posts is crazy. He hasn’t harmed anyone according to the story. You might celebrate him being locked up, but what happens when the definition of hate speech gets tighter and tighter?

@Alan Moore: Seriously? He posed with an assault rifle in front of a Nazi flag, while saying “Kill the Muslims”, and lovely stuff like “Muslims prepare to die” and also “Jews prepare to die”. He had publications on making bombs. Red flag, much?
That is a bit more than hate speech.
For me, I think looking at him that he may have mental health issues. I would say most people involved in extremism do have mental health issues. Maybe he should have been treated instead, but he was a clear and present danger, of that there is no doubt.

You might be right Little Diddy, I don’t know anything about this guy, the legal president is worrying though. There has been hash tags #killallmen and #f@ckwhitepeople, with no arrests. He looks unhinged, but you can’t lock someone up because they look funny

@Alan Moore: He wasn’t convicted of hate speech or of looking funny. He was properly convicted for planning an actual terrorist attack, threatening to kill people and inciting others to do so. There are massive problems with hate speech and blasphemy laws in Europe but this case is not an example of the problem. The Danish guy convicted of blasphemy recently for burning a Quran – that’s an example of the problem. The Welsh imam not prosecuted for inciting sex slavery is another.

What’s hate speech? Anything that someone might be offended by?

Alan, the means was proven beyond a reasonable doubt. He could act on the threat, that’s a big difference.

@stefanovich: Pretty much, yes. As long as they belong to a designated victim group.

The criteria under British law with threatening behaviour online is that there must be a clear threat, there must be opportunity and there must be means. On British law he had all three.

@Jeffrey McMahon: They do with some real extremists. Then you get stuff like the mosque in Canada inciting genocide of Jews and Christians recently and they won’t be prosecuted. No reason will be given for non prosecution. I strongly suspect the truth is they would use the defence of freedom of religion, and no one wants that case heard in open court. Prosecutors don’t face that kind of politically sensitive problem with the far right.

@Jeffrey McMahon: In the same situation with an ISIS supporter, they would also be arrested. It’s the law in the UK.

Well the radical preachers haven’t been a thing in years because the UK created laws to tackle incitement to violence speech which wasn’t illegal in the UK before. They didn’t make the law say “Muslims who incite violence” though so this lovely chap falls under those same laws.

Also…the people who run the ISIS FB page? If they’re not in the UK (since you don’t have to be physically in the UK to go on FB, I’d have thought you knew that) what exactly do you want the British police to do about it?

Nothing you said made sense.

Stefanovich: “Er mah gawd…the liberals don’t like literal nazis who make death threats and plan terrorist attacks…they’re so I liberal.”

Just admit you love nazis and jog on pal.

Did he plan a terrorist attack or was his terrorism purely upsetting someone’s sensibilities? Admit it guys, if it was just “kill all Jews” nothing would be said as even the moderate left in the UK hate them.

Thanks for that one Jake, wasn’t aware of it as I rarely get to see UK papers. Bryan, I know that people don’t have to be in the UK to go on Facebook, that was so obvious I didn’t think anyone bar an idiot would need it to be stated explicitly. Especially since I said people associated with the page, not the people who run it because it seemed obvious that they would reside outside of the UK (though that could be a mistaken assumption on my part).

Here’s an imam in a Canadian mosque inciting genocide. No prosecution by the police of their own accord. A Jewish group is having to push them to address it:

“Toronto’s Jewish Defence League says it will file a “hate crimes” complaint with Toronto Police alleging there were “troubling” words in sermons at a downtown mosque, including inciting the “killing of Jews.”

“We are going to speak with the police,” said JDL National Co-ordinator Meir Weinstein, who alleged Monday that “these are anti-Semitic hate crimes.”

But first the JDL is to hold an emergency meeting to decide how to proceed after bringing to light several videos taken from within the downtown mosque Masjid Toronto, part of the Muslim Association of Canada.

The videos, featuring a 2016 sermon in Arabic, were initially posted online by the mosque. They were subsequently posted on YouTube by CIJnews co-founder Jonathan Halevi, a linguist who speaks several languages.

According to Halevi, the sermon included the following:

“O Allah! Give them victory over the criminal people, O Allah! Destroy anyone who killed Muslims, O Allah! Destroy anyone who displaced the sons of the Muslims, O Allah! Count their number; slay them one by one and spare not one of them, O Allah! Purify Al-Aqsa Mosque from the filth of the Jews!”

For clarification, the “purify Al-Aqsa Mosque from the filth of the Jews” refers to the famous mosque in the Old City of Jerusalem.”

http://www.torontosun.com/2017/02/20/jewish-defence-league-alleges-hate-crime

Not a problem as jews are bad according to the liberal virtue signalling handbook.

Jim – to answer your question; a judge in a court of law.

Jim, he was charged with a number of terror and hate crimes. The terror one related to planning, including people and locations, information that could be used to deliver a terrorist attack. The hate ones were for production and distribution of material likely to incite hate crimes. This is covered by the UK’s electronic publication laws where emailing material equates to publishing (in Ireland, he could not be proscecuted for this).

“kill the Muslims” is definitely an incitement to violence.

@B9xiRspG: Freedom of speech is not absolute anywhere even in the US. A threat to kill is a crime. Even in the US I suspect this guy would not be protected by the first amendment.

Who did he threaten to kill?

@stefanovich:. Freedom of speech most certainly does include the freedom to speak “hate”, even under draconian UK laws. Hate crime is not the same thing at all but people confuse the two. Hate crime is just normal crime like incitement to kill, with the added factor of a motivation to target a particular group. Like, say, Jews, or kuffars.

So what normal crime did he commit?

So if post on twitter “kill all people” it is a crime?

If there was corroborating evidence which showed beyond reasonable doubt that you were serious about it, then strictly speaking, I think it probably would be.

@stefanovich: You don’t have to specify a victim by name for it to be a crime. It depends on your intent. They proved that this guy did actually intend to either threaten or incite other to kill members of named groups – jews and muslims. It’s very unlikely such a thing could be proved against someone posting ‘kill all people’, but it’s possiblein theory.

@B9xiRspG: Seriously? In the UK (not the US!) posing with an assault weapon, alongside calls for Muslims to be killed and saying Muslims prepare to die, and a committed Nazi who had materials about weapons and making bombs!!! Come on!

What about the feminist hash tag #killallmen (look it up). That was fine.

Also #f@!kwhitepeople was fine, no arrests.

@Alan Moore: can hardly find any mention of it except for three people – lots more #killallwomen worryingly!
Since nearly 100% of murders are committed by men, many of them against women, that seems more in line with reality.
I think you have to weigh up in these situations a number of factors: this man actually exhorted people to kill Muslims and to kill Jews, said Muslims prepare to die, had publications on bomb making, supported Hitler and was photographed alongside this with an assault weapon – which would be usual in the US, but NOT the UK.

Those factors combined are a red flag and you cannot let that go – had there been a massacre, everybody would have been up in arms, given the very clear signals he had sent.

Personally I think extremist people like this – no matter what side they are on – do tend to have mental health issues – perhaps that would be a better approach – to catch these things earlier. Perhaps treatment would have been better for this man – he does not look well.

“What exactly did he do legally wrong”

Those things that broke the law and led to a guilty verdict in a court of law…those are the things he did legally wrong. It’s not difficult.

Anarchist cookbook, downloaded that at school when I was a kid. Am I a terrorist?

You’re an intellectual terrorist stefanovich, blowing up reasonable debate with your idiot bombs.

“When did the world stop hating nazis?” Probably when social justice warrior types started lumping anybody who disagreed with them into that category.

I just think 5 years for upsetting a few liberals is excessive when in an Irish court you’d barely get that for murder.

You regularly see gangs of Muslims protesting holding banners with ‘ kill infidels ‘ , ‘ death to unbelievers ‘ etc in Britain

5 years that would be the maximum for manslaughter in Ireland with perhaps a year off….Making it 4 years….

@John003: Manslaughter is punishable with a maximum sentence of life imprisonment in Ireland.
I do take your point that this man likely has mental health difficulties so, while he needed to be taken into custody to protect the public, perhaps treatment would be the way to go. I think it is the same with most extremists. I’m not sure prison will make them any safer when released – possibly the opposite. Northern European countries are more rehabilitative, working on the causes of offending and ensuring a person when they get out of prison can settle into a more positive and constructive life in society. They have massively lower re-offending than we do, so perhaps we could learn from them.

@Little Diddy No: Sorry, I meant I do take your point that five years is a long sentence for what he did.

@whitecross

Lol…that’s the most 4Chan/Breitbart buzzwords I’ve ever seen crammed into a single comment on here, that’s quite an achievement. Unfortunately you didn’t really say anything, just spouted a load of nonsense and blew your angry load early. I’ve a theory that blowing loads early is one of the reasons you alt-cucks are so angry all the time.

“Nazis should be able to threaten to kill people and plan terrorist attacks.”

There…if fixed your comment for you.

Please admit that it is only the Muslim cases that you condemn. Israelis are treated like south Africans where they are presumed evil by the liberal media.