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Irish giant's bones will stay at London museum - but he wanted to be buried at sea

The skeleton of Charles Byrne is on display in a museum dedicated to the surgeon who acquired his remains.

A MUSEUM IN London that has come in for criticism for continuing to display the remains of an 18th Century Irish giant to the public has said it has no plans to remove the exhibit, ahead of a planned refurbishment.

The Hunterian Museum, which is run by the Royal College of Surgeons, has been asked by campaigners to respect the wishes of Charles Byrne and allow his skeleton to be released and buried at sea.

But the museum – which houses the collection of the John Hunter, the surgeon and anatomist who acquired Byrne’s body after his death aged 22 in 1783 – has insisted that the educational and research benefits of keeping Byrne’s remains outweighs the benefits of allowing a sea burial, insisting that there is no direct evidence of his burial wishes.

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Who was Charles Byrne? 

Born in Derry, Byrne entered a growth spurt in his early teens, and – after gaining some local notoriety – set off with a friend across the Irish Sea to seek fame and fortune by exhibiting himself as a human curiosity.

“There are some great accounts in the papers from the time of him in Edinburgh lighting his pipes from the lamps in the streets, because he was so tall,” Dr Thomas Muinzer, a lecturer at the University of Stirling who has researched Byrne’s life, said.

Now standing at seven feet seven inches tall, Byrne’s celebrity grew – and he attracted regular attention from the news media of the time. He arrived in London at the age of around 20, Muinzer said, and continued to exhibit himself – building up a tidy sum of income as crowds flocked to witness his towering frame.

Around two years later, however, he was robbed. His entire fortune – thousands of pounds, in today’s money – was taken, and Byrne entered a prolonged funk. As his depression deepened, his medical condition did too, and he apparently contracted TB in the wake of the robbery.

“We understand now that someone who has gigantism has a medical condition - specifically it’s an excess secretion of a growth hormone from the pituitary gland that’s located at the base of your brain,” Muinzer explained.

Dead weight

Papers from the time reported that he told his friends he wanted to be buried at sea, due to concerns that surgeons might seek out his body if he was interred in a cemetery.

His body was taken to Margate on the coast of Kent – but as the burial party stopped overnight to rest, a crooked undertaker managed to swap out Byrne’s remains for dead weight.

The giant’s body was taken to Hunter’s home, where it was reduced to its bare bones. The surgeon unveiled his giant specimen around four years later. Meantime, the burial at sea had gone ahead as planned off Margate, according to reports from the time. No-one had been aware that Byrne’s remains were no longer in the coffin.

Royalty - The Queen meets the Irish Giant - Hunterian Museum, London The Queen viewing the skeleton of Charles Byrne in 1962. PA Archive / PA Images PA Archive / PA Images / PA Images

Alongside Len Doyal, emeritus professor of medical ethics at Queen Mary university in London, Muinzer published an article in the British Medical Journal in 2011 that led to an increase in calls to have Byrne’s remains released from the museum that bears Hunter’s name.

The famous surgeon’s collection of around 15,000 specimens and other items had been purchased by the UK government in 1799 and placed in the care of the College of Surgeons.

In their BMJ article, Muinzer and Doyal acknowledge the role the skeleton has played in research, including by helping to link acromegaly – the condition where someone produces too much growth hormone – and the pituitary gland.

According to the authors:

We believe that it should now be removed from display and buried at sea, as Byrne intended for himself. Others have expressed similar although not necessarily identical views. Byrne’s burial wish was not fulfilled because the pre-eminent surgeon and anatomist of the time, John Hunter, was determined to possess Byrne’s cadaver for his own purposes.

There has been renewed interest in the campaign of late, in light of the museum’s plans to close for a major revamp from May of this year. The story was featured on RTÉ’s history show last weekend – and has even been mentioned on Joe Duffy’s Liveline in recent days.

Speaking to TheJournal, Muinzer said Byrne’s skeleton was the prime attraction in the museum, which is free to enter.

If you go and visit it on the ground floor, you’ve got all sorts of specimens, but the huge cabinet that really catches the eye is this enormous skeleton and you’ve got Charles in there. And if you look at it face on from a few metres back there’s a bust of John Hunter that kind-of hovers over it.
Symbolically it’s quite potent if you think that Charlie’s got rough treatment, as I do. It’s the memorial museum to Hunter and then Hunter’s bust is suspended over it.
You sort-of think – ‘come on guys, this is hardly a respectful treatment of the poor chap, in terms of his posthumous wishes!’.

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Muinzer said he disagreed with the Royal College of Surgeons’ claims that there is still a scientific case to be made for retaining the remains – arguing that there is already a full DNA record on file, that a number of extensive studies had been done, and that it was now possible to make a full scale replica to replace the skeleton.

A number of people with acromegalic gigantism had also come forward to say they’re willing to have their remains studied after they die, said Muinzer.

The other thing I would just draw attention to – in no way, if I donate my body to medical science, does that presuppose that if I have some curious condition I can then automatically be put on public display as some sort of freak exhibit. That’s all very carefully regulated in Ireland and in the UK.

The lecturer, who qualified in law at Queen’s University in Belfast and has carried out extensive research on burial law, said that a person’s wishes for what happens to their body after they die aren’t – for various technical reasons – legally binding.

In Byrne’s case, there was apparently no written will. But generally, he said, wills only apply to property.

The fundamental point is – with our burial instructions, what we rely on is people to respect them morally. The instructions have moral force.

This is the full text of the statement sent to us by the Royal College of Surgeons:

The Royal College of Surgeons believes that the value of Charles Byrne’s remains, to living and future communities, currently outweighs the benefits of carrying out Byrne’s apparent request to dispose of his remains at sea. No will or testament survives – there is no direct evidence of his burial wishes.
A vivid example of the value of having access to the skeleton is the research into Familial Isolated Pituitary Adenoma (FIPA). This genetically links Byrne to living communities, including individuals who have requested that the skeleton should remain on display in the museum. At the present time, the Museum’s Trustees therefore consider that the educational and research benefits merit retaining the remains.

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    Mute Róisín
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    Mar 4th 2017, 7:14 AM

    I can’t imagine what the remaining scientific benefit is and it’s not exactly been outlined in any detail by the RCS. High time the poor man’s remains were buried with dignity and not displayed like an animal. The same goes for all others like him.

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    Mar 4th 2017, 7:27 AM

    Disgusting. Displaying somebodys remains like this without permissions for profit.

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    Mar 4th 2017, 7:40 AM

    Entry is free.

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    Mar 4th 2017, 7:48 AM

    It not for profit persa it about ego and some paper pusher is compensating for something

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    Mute Fred Jensen
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    Mar 4th 2017, 9:54 AM

    Would they have done this if he was English, that’s the question.

    Don’t underestimate how they equated the Irish as little better than animals in those days.

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    Mute The Girl
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    Mar 4th 2017, 10:30 AM

    This is so wrong. I felt sick reading this. Would such a behaviour be allowed today? No! So why? The British…I just don’t understand that bunch.

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    Mute Harry Whitehead
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    Mar 4th 2017, 1:23 PM

    Err yes TG…we’re all a sick, depraved bunch here in Blighty. Please feel free to generalise every one of us as a society of wronguns based on an old medical ethics case which surely never happened ANYWHERE else on the planet. Nope. We’re not meant to be understood by anyone. Now if you don’t mind, I’m about to tuck into a pickled kitten sandwich washed down with a glass of children’s tears – national pastime an all.

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    Mute Deborah Behan
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    Mar 4th 2017, 1:24 PM

    Shocking and no justification. No evidence of his burial wishes but we do know he was terrified of being exploited after death which he continues to be. This is all about consent which there is blatantly none. I cannot believe there anything more to be gotten from his skeleton but voyeurism. Shameful and amoral from the British College of Surgeons.

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    Mute Harry Whitehead
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    Mar 4th 2017, 2:02 PM

    Fred, given that in the late 1800s the average Englishman was poor, illiterate and barred from voting…yeah, I doubt they’d have shown much more respect towards the wishes Mr Byrne from Derry if he’d been Mr Bird from Derby.

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    Mar 4th 2017, 2:03 PM

    *late 1700s

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    Mar 4th 2017, 11:55 PM

    @Róisín: Just take a look at the Elgin Marbles?

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    Mute charis taychin
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    Apr 15th 2017, 7:58 PM

    @Róisín: there is a recent petition and it’s struggling to get to 500 signatures please sign!!

    https://www.change.org/p/richard-mckee-respect-the-dead-and-bury-charles-byrne-at-sea

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    Apr 15th 2017, 7:59 PM

    @Paddy Byrne: there is a recent change.org online petition and it’s struggling to get to 500 signatures please sign!
    https://www.change.org/p/richard-mckee-respect-the-dead-and-bury-charles-byrne-at-sea

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    Apr 15th 2017, 8:00 PM

    @Brendan Hughes: there is a recent change.org online petition and it’s struggling to get to 500 signatures please sign!
    https://www.change.org/p/richard-mckee-respect-the-dead-and-bury-charles-byrne-at-sea

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    Apr 15th 2017, 8:06 PM

    @Fred Jensen: in light of that fact it’s especially surprising they would dig their heels in like that…if it’s even for the optics!

    there is a recent change.org online petition and it’s struggling to get to 500 signatures please sign!
    https://www.change.org/p/richard-mckee-respect-the-dead-and-bury-charles-byrne-at-sea

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    Mar 4th 2017, 8:04 AM

    The tech is available now that they could take all the required measurements, and 3d print a replica (or several) of the bones. That would allow for continuing display, and the burial. If the already have the dna and related data from that, then there shouldn’t be an issue. Hell, if they were unsure that they had everything they needed, they could keep a couple of smaller bones, I suppose, like from the foot.

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    Apr 15th 2017, 8:01 PM

    @Mirabelle Stonegate: absolutely…so it’s clear they just don’t care

    there is a recent change.org online petition and it’s struggling to get to 500 signatures please sign!
    https://www.change.org/p/richard-mckee-respect-the-dead-and-bury-charles-byrne-at-sea

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    Mar 4th 2017, 7:38 AM

    It should be left there not because yes it does have value ” to living and future communities” . As a testament to the darker side of medical advancement. This young mans remains were stolen on the way to his burial kept secretly by that surgeon, taking him apart bit by bit and then displayed his bones in a trophy like manner, Did Hunter allow the same fate for his body and bones. I think his remains should be exhumed and his bones displayed there with a plaque to the dark side of his achievements a body snatcher who stopped at nothing to satisfy his need .

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    Mar 4th 2017, 7:42 AM

    @Missyb211 * It should be left there ̶n̶o̶t̶

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    Mute epo eire
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    Mar 4th 2017, 9:17 AM

    You could achieve the same conversation and demonstration with a replica as it is simply another, all be it modern, chapter in the history of medicine and this skeletons story.

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    Mute Don O Sullivan
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    Mar 4th 2017, 8:42 AM

    Right time to get a “group” together.Get the mans remains removed(by whatever means possible)maybe a ‘heist’

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    Mar 4th 2017, 9:35 AM

    Don The Don

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    Apr 15th 2017, 8:02 PM

    @Don O Sullivan: there is a recent change.org online petition and it’s struggling to get to 500 signatures please sign!
    https://www.change.org/p/richard-mckee-respect-the-dead-and-bury-charles-byrne-at-sea

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    Mar 4th 2017, 7:40 AM

    Free the Derry 1

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    Mute Padraig
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    Mar 4th 2017, 10:01 AM

    I this another British museum have the arm of another Irish giant Patrick Cotter O’Brien who was the first person in recorded history to reach eight foot tall.

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    Mar 4th 2017, 11:36 AM

    Based on the colleges argument, would it be OK to steal the body back and replace it with a dead weight?

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    Mute Fiona Fitzgerald
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    Mar 4th 2017, 9:38 AM

    How terrible to die of TB at 22. Glad he had good friends who respected his wishes.

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    Mute Deborah Behan
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    Mar 4th 2017, 1:37 PM

    Tried to respect his wishes. Sadly.

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    Mar 4th 2017, 2:15 PM

    If it hadn’t been TB, it would probably have been another thing. The sad fact is that Acromelagy often shortens lifespans without treatment or long-term monitoring. The tallest recorded man in history – Robert Wadlow – was also only 22 when he died from an infection caused by blister on his ankle. His height (8’11″ and still growing at the time of his death) meant he had little sensation in his lower limbs and didn’t notice the infection setting in

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    Apr 15th 2017, 8:03 PM

    @Fiona Fitzgerald: that was an especially poignant part of the story. In Jamaica there is a saying “good friends are better than pocket money” certainly applies here!

    there is a recent change.org online petition and it’s struggling to get to 500 signatures please sign!
    https://www.change.org/p/richard-mckee-respect-the-dead-and-bury-charles-byrne-at-sea

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    Mute FlopFlipU
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    Mar 4th 2017, 7:51 AM

    Body snatching was not that unusual ,right or wrong and probably wrong some good came of it from a medical point of view

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    Mute john
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    Mar 4th 2017, 11:16 AM

    Wasn’t Dan donnellys corpse robbed from his grave in kilmainham and brought to London. Only his arm made it back to a pub in Kilcullen!

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    Mute Deborah Behan
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    Mar 4th 2017, 1:38 PM

    But what good can come from it now? Time to respect the man’s wishes.

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    Mar 4th 2017, 8:16 AM

    Fionn Mac Not-At-All-Cool…

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    Mute The Descolada
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    Mar 4th 2017, 7:47 AM

    Get in the sea!

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    Mute Alois Irlmaier
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    Mar 4th 2017, 11:58 PM

    @The Descolada: A trawler probable get his bones in their nets lol.

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    Mute Jlocoroco
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    Mar 4th 2017, 9:10 AM

    How tall was he

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    Mute Fiona Fitzgerald
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    Mar 4th 2017, 9:42 AM

    2 metres and 31 cm tall, or 7′ 7″.

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    Mar 4th 2017, 8:26 AM

    Does it give his height anywhere in the article?

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    Mute Donal Proctor
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    Mar 4th 2017, 8:32 AM

    Yes it does. Seven foot seven inches

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    Mute Alois Irlmaier
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    Mar 4th 2017, 11:51 PM

    They could as they have 3D printing exists now, so a copy could be made, even multiple copies really?

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    Mute Alois Irlmaier
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    Mar 4th 2017, 11:57 PM

    So they could bury the body without any hassle?

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    Mute Gus Dennis
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    Mar 4th 2017, 5:09 PM

    How about Cornelius Mc’Grath from Nenagh Co Tipperary ,even taller,now hidden in the anatomy department, Trinity College Dublin?

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    Mute Alois Irlmaier
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    Mar 4th 2017, 11:59 PM

    So they boiled the flesh off his bones and where did they pour that soup into?

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