That’s impossible to determine at 30,000 ft traveling at 800kph

How do you know there was, Jan? Legitimate question. Otherwise, this is a war crime.

So the UN.where carring munitions for who Jan? Any links to that?

@Padraig: it america did it its not a war crime..but if its russia or assad it is..there was nothing about the american ‘mistake’ on rte but now its all over their news because it was russia who did it

It’s a war crime if intentional, if accidental, it is not a war crime.

Actually Keith, ignorance of the law isn’t a defence.

Jumping the gun there Vincent… Who said the UN carry munitions? I asked a question, if munitions were stored alongside Humanitarian aid, unknown to the UN of course would it be a war crime to destroy the vehicles? The convoy did come from rebel backed Turkey did they not.

I don’t know there was Malachi, likewise how do you know there wasn’t? It just seems odd that a clearly marked UN convoy gets destroyed for no reason.

Your argument that there was military equipment in the UN convoy is “Well you can’t prove there wasn’t!”?

I hope you aren’t a lawyer.

“It’s the vibe of the thing”

Jan they where smuggling guns for the Kinahan gang

@O’Callaghan Stephen:

There was no ISIS near the aid convoy. Therefore, America wasn’t carrying out air strikes in that area. That means that only Russia or Syria could have hit the aid convoy.

ISIS is in the proximity of Deir al-Zour. That means that the American attack on Syrian troops was an honest mistake.

Missed the question mark. Apologies. Rough night.

No worries

It wasn’t an argument Malachi, I asked a question, would it be a legitimate target if there was intelligence that munitions were being smuggled along with Humanitarian aid, into the rebels of Aleppo?

No, it wouldn’t Jan. If it was carrying munitions as well as aid and aid workers then it should have been stopped on the ground. Intentionally killing civilians because they happen to be close to weapons is still intentionally killing civilians.

SOHR is a bogus organisation ran by one man from his garage in Sheffield England. This has been exposed almost two years ago. The air strikes were carried out by the UK . Putting articles up like this is a disgrace and id deliberately trying to misinform people. This is how all these murderous genocidal wars started . Journal.Ie is just another crap low level propaganda tool. I also see the linking to Putin winning an election . Go to fRussia he is loved there why cos western donkeys demonise him his people know whats going on. Lets not forget who the rebels are al queda Isis and other rag tagglle jihadis all trained and funded by US and EU tax dollars along with the Saudis. The Russians are hammering ISIS. Have some professional integrity ye presstitutes. Look at the child yere fueling this war . Yere souless media bots. Grow a pair and report the news.

When it’s the US they are rightly criticised. When it’s Russia/Assad it’s “what about the US?”

The US could have decided if might be politically useful to hit the convoy and blame it on the Russians or the Assad regime, The US/West may have hit the convoy by accident. Just like they accidentally hit the wrong target the other day when they killed the wrong soldiers. They may have decided it would be a good idea not to admit it and instead blame the Russians. At the end of the day its normally who benefits from these atrocities that the finger should be pointed at first. There are no benefits politically or militarily for the Russians or the Assad regime, as more than likely Assad will eventually find himself in front of the Hague tribunals. I see RTE are spinning the pro US line, Saying Russian and Syrian forces are denying the the bombing of the convoy. Are the Americans denying it also RTE ??

Ridiculous Martin Byrne. Absolutely ridiculous. Is this pick-a-theory-out-of-your-arrrse day???

UN backtracks on claims its aid convoy in Syria was bombed
The United Nations has reversed allegations that its aid convoy in Syria, which was attacked on Monday, was the target of an airstrike. “We are not in a position to determine whether these were in fact airstrikes. We are in a position to say that the convoy was attacked,” UN humanitarian spokesman Jens Laerke said. The UN spoke of a draft error while referring to the initial term of ‘airstrike.’ On Monday, 20 civilians and one aid worker were killed in what humanitarian organizations believed was an airstrike hitting a convoy en route to the war-torn city of Aleppo.

@Padraig: it seems the un are now not sure it was an air strike.
The United Nations on Tuesday has backtracked and amended its language when it said that the aid convoy in Syria’s Aleppo was “attacked” instead of it being targeted through “air strikes,” a spokesman said.

“We are not in position to determine whether these were in fact air strikes,” the spokesman added.
So it seems earlier reports were premature about it being airstrikes

@LITTLEONE:

A lie travels halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes.

Sort of the currency the U.S deals in

@KoolKat. was UN chief Ban Ki-moon telling a lie when he said today that the Syrian government had killed the most civilians in the civil war.?

Some of us have been saying that on here for months, if not years, but it’s like water off a duck’s back to the Assad fanboys.

Maybe because it is the U.S and allies that have enabled that situation to occur. And it is not a civil war as outlined by countless Syrians.

@Tony Canning: Nope, Rather It’s question everything and believe nobody with an agenda day! Particularly any western media outlet. Shouldn’t the RTE headline to-day have said “Russia the US, and The Assad regime” have all denied the attack on the convoy. Do you not require evidence before pointing a finger? Open your eyes and ears man, you are being given your opinion by Brian Dobson and co. The truth is always hard to see in war, it is always who benefits from an event that is the most likely suspect. Silly comment from you by the way.

Since when does being run by a private individual make an organisation ‘bogus’? Are you saying SOHR exists only on paper? And what the hell are ‘Western donkeys’? LMAO You forgot to include ‘running dogs’ and ‘Capitalist lickspittle’, comrade. Better send a memo to your supervisors: MUST IMPROVE NEXT BATCH OF PUTINBOTS

Well obviously the SOHR needs to get better Intel. Get out of the BEDROOM. considering now the un are saying that they don’t know if was airstrikes. Yet SOHR are claiming they even know who it was. Obviously they jumped the gun and pointed without facts. Silly boys

Let’s see: a state which isn’t fully in control of its own territory, fighting against members of its own populace…oh dear, sounds an awful lot like a civil war to me. If you’re going to tell blatant porkies Comrade Pádraig at least try and make them HALF convincing…

No way?

Abdel Rahman is the “director” of the SOHR, though it is quite uncertain if he actually has anyone to “direct” as nobody else is known to work for/with him. He works from his two-bedroom Coventry home in the UK

The website Syriahr.org claimed that Rami Abdulrahman was in fact called Osama Ali Suleiman and he merely used the name Rami Abdulrahman, a pen-name that the website claimed to have been initially used by all “SOHR members”.[6] Syriahr.org claimed that Abdulrahman was able to wrest control of the SOHR website Syriahr.net in August 2011 by changing all the passwords and that he proceeded to make himself the chairman of the SOHR, upon which an organisation claiming to be the ‘real’ SOHR created the rival website Syriahr.org.[6] This new website Syriahr.org then proceeded to attack Abdulrahman, claiming he only had a “very modest level of education”, thus not able to “communicate professionally in English”, and condemning his “lack of professionalism” and even alleging that he was a member of the Kurdistan Workers’ Party.[6][7][8]
Abdulrahman, meanwhile, says the new site Syriahr.org is run by Mousab Azzawi, who used to translate for the SOHR[2] but was fired after falsely claiming to be an official spokesman for the organisation and calling for foreign intervention in Syria.[7] The SOHR which was run by Mousab Azzawi had stated that they consider reporting on the deaths of government soldiers to be “not in their interest”.[2][7] Since the early conflict, it appears that Azzawi’s Syriahr.org is inactive and has adopted the name Syrian Network for Human Rights with the website Syrianhr.org, whereas Abdulrahman’s group continues to use the sites Syriahr.net (Arabic version) and Syriahr.com/en (English version).
the last time Abdulrahman actually went to Syria was, he said it was 15 years ago.

“But I know some of the Observatory activists through common friends. This organization only takes new members following a six-month trial period and the candidate has to be familiar to someone from the organization or to a reliable outside contact,” he said.

So basically.. this one-man-show relies on “intel” allegedly gathered by 200 people whom he knows personally, yet impersonally because he has never met them and knows them only through other unspecified “friends” (whom he probably knows through other “friends”), and is considered authentic because the man has not been to Syria for 15 years- some 11 YEARS before the conflict began.

SOHR is just some lad in his Attic in Coventry.

Militants on pickup with mortar use Aleppo aid convoy as cover, Russian MoD shows (VIDEO)

https://www.rt.com/news/360059-drone-aleppo-militants-video/?utm_source=browser&utm_medium=aplication_chrome&utm_campaign=chrome

“There are no craters, while the vehicles have their chassis intact and they have not been severely damaged, which would have been the case from an airstrike,” Konashenkov said.

On Tuesday, the UN also retreated from its claims that the convoy was hit by military planes.

“We are not in a position to determine whether these were in fact airstrikes. We are in a position to say that the convoy was attacked,” UN humanitarian spokesman Jens Laerke said.

I`m really starting to like how the Russians document so much stuff, they are running rings around the Yanks at this stage.

You have to forgive Harry, he does not understand much.

Just came to post that Mother, oh well, you know

Little bit confused here, what is that video supposed to prove?

Militants drove alongside the UN convoy… therefore it would be justified to kill 20+ civilians and destroy humanitarian aid?

The fact that militants drove up alongside the UN convoy does not excuse the attack that cost many innocent lives.

@Malachi: Where is the proof of an attack. Burned out lorries no craters ?? Volunteers were killed from where? what country were they from? The US the EU and Russia are all playing chess with Syria and one thing you can be sure of is no one is telling the whole truth. All the messengers have an agenda.

This type of action is a ploy by Russia to get the USA to fall into the ISIS Dabig propaganda trap.

US Special Forces sabotage White House policy gone disastrously wrong with covert ops in Syria

“Nobody believes in it. You’re like, ‘F*ck this,’” a former Green Beret says of America’s covert and clandestine programs to train and arm Syrian militias. “Everyone on the ground knows they are jihadis. No one on the ground believes in this mission or this effort, and they know they are just training the next generation of jihadis, so they are sabotaging it by saying, ‘F*ck it, who cares?’”

“I don’t want to be responsible for Nusra guys saying they were trained by Americans,” the Green Beret added. A second Special Forces soldier commented that one Syrian militia they had trained recently crossed the border from Jordan on what had been pitched as a large-scale shaping operation that would change the course of the war. Watching the battle on a monitor while a drone flew overhead, “We literally watched them, with 30 guys in their force, run away from three or four ISIS guys.”

https://sofrep.com/63764/us-special-forces-sabotage-white-house-policy-gone-disastrously-wrong-with-covert-ops-in-syria/

@martin, you’re putting out your opinion. Try facts. The fact stands that the Assad regime is responsible for about 6 times more civilian deaths than any other actor in this conflict. This is constantly denied by the Assad fanboys. In terms of nations, there are no innocents. Most will also acknowledge abhorrent acts in the region by the US/west. But the same principles apply to all actors. The most pertinent questions is to ask why one person’s position is worth the displacement of half a country’s population and up to 300,000 lives.

Mindlesy parroting the Kremlin might pass for ‘understanding’ in your local troll factory Comrade Pádraig – back on Planet Earth tou might need something with a bit more substance.

@Alan Tright: Lets be honest it was never the intention of the Syrian government to let those humanitarian aid trucks reaching Aleppo, otherwise it would have happened a lot sooner. Refugees and children are just expendable pawns in this war, nobody in Syria even cares anymore.

Disintegration of ceasefire =/= bombing of aid convoy.

The only party responsible here is the one that attacked the convoy. I haven’t seen any evidence as of yet that tells us who did it.

Malachi the US agreed to a ceasefire and then less than 24 hours after agreement the bombed and killed Syrian troops.

@Alan Tright: Na they ll do what they allways do. Black out the Media back home lay low for a few months unitl it all blows over. USA USA

Alan, they say it was an accident. Regardless of whether you believe that or not, it is irrelevant to the bombing/shelling of this convoy.

The US is only to blame here if they attacked the aid workers, we’ll see.

I’m sure whoever bombed this convoy will also claim it was also an accident.

@vincent remind me again how Ireland is helping?

> they say it was an accident

The US always say it was an accident, they’ll never own up to war crimes.

Seth. Remind us again about how ye grant “freedom” to other countries? We must be carefull and let a few planes land in shannon or we too might be subjected to “freedom”.

Blame the bible for all the middle problems.

@vincent “careful and let a few planes land..” lol Ireland will follow suit with anything and everything the USA and UK ask. Not a backbone or original thought to be found in government here.

You no what to do the Seth. It always makes me laugh that.people who come here have such a distaste for the Country. Yet there is nothing keeping them here. I’ll agree with you there that there isn’t a back bone in the our Government however we don’t have the “intellegence” you guys have to be able to dish out our own “freedom”.

@vincent point being, you are very critical of the evil USA empire and cast your criticism from afar, but what is do nothing Ireland doing? The government here can’t even manage our own basic issues properly and are hell bent on implementing all the failed policies of other countries.

Seth. You no and I no alot of good US men and women would agree with me but are shouted down and put down by the powers that be, and people with star spangled banner glasses on.

I love the phrase ‘a lot’, nothing beats an unquantifiable and vague statement that hints at a significant level of support but falls flat when put under critical analysis.

Rule number 1 of The Journal:

Russia good

America bad

@Fox in the Box: AMERICA = EU, Both these corporate controlled states use ordinary people as little more than debt slaves and cannon fodder, while tightly controlling their peoples opinions through the massive power of western corporate Media (Including 90% of Irish media). Russia doesn’t have any regard for democracy under Putin either. Anyone who thinks there is such a thing a good state that puts its people first can only be talking about one single country in the world namely Switzerland. Where the people control the government and make the big decisions. Anyone know off hand (without googling it) the name of the prime minister of Switzerland. See what I mean ! The power there remains in the peoples hands and they put their interests first. unlike any other state Russian US and the EU included.

Erm, if you think Switzerland isn’t also teeming with corruption you’re sadly mistaken. It’s the land where Nazis, despots, tyrants, fraudsters, drug barons and corporate hustlers from all over the world have hidden their ill-gotten gains for years. True, it’s much cleaner on the surface than other states – scratch away at the surface, though, and you start uncovering little gems like Sepp Blatter. Ever wonder why so many international organisations base themselves in this charming little country?

There is a lot of corruption enabled by Swiss banks and the like, sure, but they have to be commended for their sensible approach to direct democracy.

I visited Geneva not long ago and I was impressed with their political system. Posters up everywhere encouraging mass voting on relatively minor issues. However it’s certainly not perfect by any stretch. Great public transport and excellent democratic principles do not excuse the dirty business that goes on there.

@Harry Whitehead: Sepp Blatter is a private citizen what’s he got to do with the state. We have a thousand Sepp Blatters. It has private secretive Banks yes but we have criminal Banks and are ruled by one and its minions. does Switzerland have a real democracy where the people rule not corrupt politicians. Do the Banks write the laws like they have done here ?? nuff said.

I used to think my grandad was a silly old fart when he used to say that 80% of people are so dumb that their minds are controlled by politicians and their hearts by big business, which means that they can’t think for themselves. Then the Internet came along and proved him right

Martin, Sepp Blatter was also the head of a major international sporting organisation headquartered in Zürich. You don’t think it a bit embarrassing that it was left to the FBI to take action? What were the Swiss authorities doing this whole time other than looking the other way and whistling? Swiss banks meanwhile are on a whole other level…

Again, your source is the Russian state.

If the US spokesperson said something similar I highly doubt you’d take it at face value. Why is that I wonder?

Fatah Halab VBIED and hell cannons perhaps?

@Malachi: will be interesting to see if they produce the video footage.
The Russians have a habit of videoing a lot things, just in case they are needed.
If they can produce proof it wasn`t them, where does that leave the US and UN?

@Motherofdivinejebus:

None of the images are indicative to an airstrike looks more like an incineration from the ground. No craters, no blast zones, nothing. One would say it was a road based attack.

It’s quite convenient that this happened right after the initial truce of 7 days stopped and US was on hot coals about their murderous bombardment on Saturday

But sure, let’s trust the people that have lied, and lied again, and have no wish for the conflict to end.

Oh look backpedalling

“UN backtracks on claims its aid convoy in Syria was bombed
The United Nations has reversed allegations that its aid convoy in Syria, which was attacked on Monday, was the target of an airstrike. “We are not in a position to determine whether these were in fact airstrikes. We are in a position to say that the convoy was attacked,” UN humanitarian spokesman Jens Laerke said. The UN spoke of a draft error while referring to the initial term of ‘airstrike.’ On Monday, 20 civilians and one aid worker were killed in what humanitarian organizations believed was an airstrike hitting a convoy en route to the war-torn city of Aleppo.”

Unproven

It was proven Pádraig. Do keep up. The only thing that wasn’t proven was this mystical Ukrainian jet with superpowers that even the Russian manufacturer said doesn’t exist.

@Jason Culligan: Wrong again, but don’t expect anything better from you to be honest.

I thought as much Peter, thanks for confirming. They’re desperate for help just as long as it’s not Christian help.

That conclusion is very presumptive on your part

So why the need to change “cross” (Christian symbol) to “crescent” (Islamic symbol) then?

It’s always been like that it’s nothing new

I asked why? Seems pointless to bother unless of course the sight of a Cross of Christianity offends the muzzies that much.

Since 1919 in fact

Alan you do realise that the International Red Cross is an NGO ?

As an NGO they use the Red Cross, the Red Crescent, and the Red Crystal, depending on their theatre of operations, to demonstrate they are impartial

The red cross help anyone, regardless of religion. The red crescent only help Muslims.

So who does the red crystal assist according to your theory

@Boganity: Aliens

@Alan Tright: Muslims descendants of vampires mmmmmaybe? That’s why they can’t stand the cross.

Kinda funny, reminded me of an anime.

Thank you for sharing that brain fart.

I’m quoting the article your responding to which is quoting other respected news outlets such as BBC.

Give up Boganity, this forum is just for the exclusive use of the “America is the font of all evil” club. Only fully paid up members can participate.

I know but I can’t help poking the bear.

@George Vladisavljevic:

The coalition of the willing targeted only Iraqi military and Ba’ath Party buildings.

@Ciarán Masterson:

Give me a break.

How about anything to do with the infrastructure of the nation such as the power grid, water, food depots and the likes?

Same in every conflict and by all sides.

Not everything gets put into every article but commentary and discussion on this has been complete in stating that all parties were informed and full permission granted.

Ah, There you are Jason, I see you found your voice again :-)
You were conspicuous by your absence for a while there – Everything ok?

Regardless of what anyone thinks Jason it doesn’t take away the fact that you’re right. This site is full of those who are intent on blaming all on the US. No acknowledgement of coalition forces having informed Russia of intentions and complete belief that it’s all anti Russian propaganda. Putin says “nothing to see here” and some just lap it up.

Unfounded, opinion.