We need your help now
Support from readers like you keeps The Journal open.
You are visiting us because we have something you value. Independent, unbiased news that tells the truth. Advertising revenue goes some way to support our mission, but this year it has not been enough.
If you've seen value in our reporting, please contribute what you can, so we can continue to produce accurate and meaningful journalism. For everyone who needs it.
Sign in. It’s quick, free and it’s up to you.
An account is an optional way to support the work we do. Find out more.
By continuing, you are indicating that you accept our Terms of Service and Privacy Policy.
CONTRARY TO THE Government statement’s that the new Household Tax is about “only €100”, in reality it is a gateway tax to a new tier of local taxation that will see households levied over €1,000 per year in property and water taxes by 2014.
Householders already struggling under the burden of massive mortgages and in many cases, negative equity and huge structural problems, cannot afford to shoulder another tax on their homes. There are huge issues at stake.
In recent days the Government has unleashed an extensive advertising campaign claiming that monies collected will go to fund local services. This is not true. In fact local authority budgets have been cut by an amount in excess the amount that would be collected if everyone paid the household tax, and residents are already aware that Council services have been badly hit as the public sector recruitment embargo means that vacancies are not filled, and now staff will have to be handed over to the collection of this new tax. In fact we are being asked to pay more for less.
Meanwhile, the taxes we have paid are being used to fund payments to unsecured senior bondholders with yet another €1.25 billion to be handed over on 25 January. For many people the point is being reached where enough really is enough. After three years and eight austerity budgets, with wages being reduced, pension levies, universal social charge, increased VAT and other charges, many people feel that the Household Tax is their opportunity to make a stand against all of the austerity and the economic madness of more money being taken out of our pockets, which will only serve to deflate the economy further.
This issue affects all residents, with exemptions in relation to payment restricted to local authority tenants, those in receipt of mortgage interest supplement and a number of unfinished estates. However everybody is expected to register, with these people having to declare that they are eligible for a waiver. In essence the government wants us to do the work in compiling a new national database to be used as the scaffolding for a new tier of taxation.
This tax can be made uncollectable
If large numbers of residents refuse to register, threats of fines will be made unworkable. No sanction applies before the 31 March deadline. Contrary to the impression being given of mass fines being issued after that date, the government has to first identify who owns the property, bring them before the District Court, secure an order against them, the maximum amount of which is €2,500, and if the person continues to refuse to pay, bring them back to court to order, and hope to secure an attachment order seeking payment from their wages or social welfare.
With the court service already overloaded, and not a single banker or politician ending up in jail, or fined, it would be a huge political issue should they choose to pack the courts with PAYE taxpayers and pensioners engaged in a principled stand against an unfair tax. It would take hundreds of years to bring everyone to court. This tax can be made uncollectable if a campaign can be built that gives people the confidence to not register and not pay.
With hundreds of people attending meetings from Clonmel, to Gorey, from Ballybofey, all across Dublin, and everywhere in between, this issue may be the one that changes the view of the Irish from one of passive compliance with any amount of austerity thrown our way, to a reawakening of the traditions of a nation that coined the term “boycott” in the first place.
Clare Daly is a Socialist Party TD for Dublin North.
To embed this post, copy the code below on your site
I contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle. This household tax is preposterous, yet its instigators continue to dine on the misery and suffering of an entire nation. How much more time will pass before Ireland’s sons and daughters stand up and unite against these traitors? How long, I wonder, must she remain mute before her roar thunders through Europe? These traitors with whom you entrusted your lives and the lives of your children continue to mock you, they have stolen your future.
Take your future back, take your once proud nation back. Stand up for your children!
+ 1 JD
“I contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle.”
I’m just curious as I see this bandied about quite a bit on here, yet nobody seems to be clear on it – by opposing all tax increases, does that mean you believe that the government should just use cuts to balance the budget?
According to Labour it is currently around 54% cuts to 46% tax increases – where as in the election FG wanted a 2:1 ratio between cuts and tax increases, while Labour wanted 50-50.
The quote is attributed to Winston Churchill.
The observation is that as tax rates increase economic activity slows. Thus, the prospect of returning to prosperity diminishes.
The estimates of the fiscal correction are incorrect as many of the supposed tax cuts were in fact revenue raising measures. All attempted fiscal corrections to date have favoured revenue raising over spending cuts.
The optimum size of the state relative to economy for economic growth is 20-25% of GDP. Irelands is currently in excess of 50%.
Swedens economic history illustrates these points very well.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704698004576104023432243468.html
Well said Clare .
I have signed up to the Campaign against Household Tax and Water charges. I have had enough . Every day some member of the government come out with astoundingly ridiculous comments and even more outstandingly ridiculous decisions..Everyday we are subjected to more stress and worry.
I refuse to be intimidated any more . I will not pay this charge . This is an opportunity for me to say Enough is Enough.
I don’t have a problem paying for services I use at home ie gas, electricity, broadband etc. I also don’t have an issue paying for quality water if it comes to that. I will not however pay tax for the roof over my own head which I bought for myself. They’ve already taken a sizeable stamp duty tax at the point of purchase. If the government aren’t willing to have unsecured bond holders share the burden then they can lock me up.
Well said Eamonn. We built our home in the 80′s, in the middle of a recession and it took us years to finish it. The government had no hand, act nor part in it, only our own hard earned money. Not only are they looking for a household tax, but they also expect us to pay up to 20k to put right septic tanks that they, local county councils, approved when houses were being built. Minister Phil Hogan is supposed to have said that he will deal firstly with houses situated near rivers. Newsflash for Mr Hogan….every village, town and city in the country are built near rivers!! Yes, we all want clean water. It is a european directive. But start with the local authority treatment plants in the country, many of which are overflowing in to rivers everywhere. Don’t expect ordinary citizens living in private houses to pay for the mistakes that were made by local government. It is time to stand up and be counted. Burn the senoir bondholders and give the rest of the country a break!
All the treatment plants discharge into rivers or sea. Take a look at National Film Board Canada documentary film about sewage, “Crap shoot, managing our waste”. That film ( free download) tells the truth about sludge and waste. The problem is cities! Not the rurals!
this is the only way to defeat this idiotic tax:
don’t register, don’t pay, don’t panic.
stick to your guns come March, and it WILL fall.
these shameless liars have got to be shown that the public that they have shown such utter contempt for have backbones, otherwise the screw will be tightened further and further and further.
where in the name of sanity is the justice in criminalising someone for living in their own home????
Don’t register, Don’t pay, Don’t panic! Love it… New slogan Claire. Thanks Stephen.
Not sure if the below is true but it was sent to me:
Today we made four calls into the householdcharge.ie
We spoke to Roisin, Brian O’Gorman, Maeve and Ariel.
What we found out, and what they admitted to us was
astounding (call them on 01-2224000).
1. The household charge is NOT Mandatory registration is
voluntary, payment obligatory.
2. If you don’t register, thus far, they cannot force you to, or
force you to pay (sweet).
3. Their CEO is a man called Paul McSweeney.
4. They may or could issue a fine (great).
5. But they might have a problem with collection of this if you
don’t register.
6. They might pursue it through the Courts. The trouble is, if
it becomes a Constitutional matter, they might end up in
the high Court, the cost of which might be prohibitively expensive
for them. A terrible situation for Phil Hogan & his IMF hench-men.
Just so as Ye are all aware: Ye do
not legally own land or property.
Page 156 – Section 1.
“The Irish Law Reform Commission, a body composed
entirely of lawyers, has made a startling proposition
to the Irish Government: that direct physical ownership
of land should be introduced in the country and feudal
tenure ended. All landholding Irish citizens are feudal
tenants under the Irish constitution, not owners. This
in AD 2006! The Irish hold, don’t own, land”. – K.Cahill
WE say, that you should call householdcharge.ie &
ask them the same questions, to establish the facts.
It is easy to do, call Brian, Roisin,
Maeve or Ariel on: 01 222 4000
I have just recieved this:
I had asked a local politician about the post going around facebook about ‘ How we dont have to pay the household tax’ and he asked a barrister in constitutional law if it was actual fact, and the reply is as follows: Article 25.4.1 Constitution says every Bill shall become and be law as on and from the day on which it is signed by the President…..Section 3 of the Household Charge Act says each person who, on the liability date of the year concerned, is the owner of a residential property shall, subject to this Act, pay to the relevant local authority the sum….The question of “consent” does not arise because the liability to pay arises under the Act and the Act is “law”. The way in which the charge is collected or paid is irrelevant – the liability arises under the Act. Failure to provide the necessary information etc. is an offence.
The definition of a statutory instrument is an order, regulation, rule, bye-law, warrant, licence, certificate, direction, notice, guideline or other like document made, issued, granted or otherwise created by or under an Act and references, in relation to a statutory instrument, to “made” or to “made under” include references to made, issued, granted or otherwise created by or under such instrument (Interpretation Act 2005) – but all that is irrelevant because the household charge arises under an Act of the Oireachtas and not under a statutory instrument.
Claire.
Get the ball rolling. Field candidates all over the state. We want this government out NOW.
Don’t register for the household charge, force revolt in the government ranks (gombeen members will defy the party whips when their own political hides are on the line) and get these lying thieves back on the streets with their useless leaflets and false promises. This is our chance. Please don’t waste it.
I have stated that i fully support Clare Daly and all thoes who are willing to fight against this unjust household tax. I would like it if Clare Daly was willing to support our campaign against the household tax. Our campaign has over 5,000 members and growing daily. Our fight against this unjust tax is quite simple. As you know every house in the country is to receive a household tax information leaflet. Just to be clear on this. This leaflet is an information leaflet only. It is our aim. That when you receive this information leaflet, you take five mins to put it in an envelope, put a 55cent stamp on it, seal it and post it to Minister Phil Hogans home address. Which is. Minister Phil Hogan, Grovine, Co. Kilkenny. Our aim is to have hundreds of thousands of letters sent to Minister Hogan. Thank you and please support our campaign.
Love the profile pic
Where do I sign up against the house hold charge
I think the thousands of people that have reg are the likes of Garda,prison guards ect who are at risk of suspension if the have a charge brought. Is 500k people or more don’t pay it will they bring us all to court ? Anyone remember the water rates back in 2000 ? A few payed and most didant so it was scraped but those that did pay never got the money back. If we as a nation all say no what will they do ?
If you work for the state or for the courts for example and your job is in danger by having a court order against you, you should wait until the last day to register. It must be understood that some citizens will fall into this category.
For the rest of us we must continue to fight this fight on their behalf.
We should have a Ireland tax. A special extra tax for living in Ireland
How you don’t have to legally pay Household Tax!
You wont get a bill because the charge is a Statute. People need to understand this: A Statute is a “legislated rule of society given the force of law by the consent of the governed.”(Blacks Law Dictionary… 4th edition). Who are those it governs? Us, the public.
This household charge is a Statute, otherwise known as an Act of Government and only carries the force of law upon you if you consent to it which means that you are legally obliged to pay if you consent or in other words go on to householdcharge.ie and register.
Your silence and inaction will also give the appearance of consent. If you do not consent, a Statute cannot affect you in any way whatsoever.
The courts know this and the last thing they will do is tell you. In fact they will hide this from you at every opportunity they can.
On the other hand, if you tell them, they will accept it because they know it is actually true.
According to the above definitions a statutory instrument is a contract. If you register for this “charge” you are consenting to this statuate ie: signing the contract. This is why the Government are ASKING the people to register and not just billing them instead.
The fact you got so many thumbs up makes me despair for this country. It shows how little people understand their own country. Of course statute is binding. It’s how all our laws are passed. If people were to accept your interpretation then all driving offences would not be real. Your advice is retarded at best and anyone who puts any faith in it is just plain stupid.
These are listed as ‘charges’ not taxes. charges are part of a two way contract which must be entered into voluntarily by both parties. I am not signing up to a contract which I know is being offered in bad faith and with a high risk of non performance by the other party.
When did I sign up to the Universal Social Charge then? Because that damn thing I have a much larger objection to… Especially as it runs into many multiples of this piddly charge.
P Wurple
At what point for you does it become non-piddly? Because for me, I don’t find 100e a piddly amount for starters. And make no mistake this is only the beginning, and its past time to say stop!
Rommel, it is piddly after I look at my P60 and see the amount going to that total ripoff USC. I prefer to do my jumping up and down about the unjust charge that costs me the most.
USC is a much more scandalous charge than this. The independant socialists fall into every trap laid as usual, and have whipped people into a frenzy over it, so the big guns can continue frying the bigger fish unnoticed.
@ P Wurple: Very true. Which annoys the Irish more – €100 extra out of their monthly wage bill or €100 annually in a household bill? The latter it seems.
What need you, being come to sense,
But fumble in a greasy till
And add the halfpence to the pence
And prayer to shivering prayer, until
You have dried the marrow from the bone?
For men were born to pray and save:
Romantic Ireland’s dead and gone,
It’s with O’Leary in the grave.
Yet they were of a different kind,
The names that stilled your childish play,
They have gone about the world like wind,
But little time had they to pray
For whom the hangman’s rope was spun,
And what, God help us, could they save?
Romantic Ireland’s dead and gone,
It’s with O’Leary in the grave.
Was it for this the wild geese spread
The grey wing upon every tide;
For this that all that blood was shed,
For this Edward Fitzgerald died,
And Robert Emmet and Wolfe Tone,
All that delirium of the brave?
Romantic Ireland’s dead and gone,
It’s with O’Leary in the grave.
Yet could we turn the years again,
And call those exiles as they were
In all their loneliness and pain,
You’d cry, ‘Some woman’s yellow hair
Has maddened every mother’s son’:
They weighed so lightly what they gave.
But let them be, they’re dead and gone,
They’re with O’Leary in the grave.
William Butler Yeats
I agree we should pay our fair share,household tax,septic tank tax,water charges,where is this going?it’s time to stand up and be counted.
Claire, a campaign against any tax increases or reduction in services needs to begin. Don’t concentrate on the €100, look at the big picture.
If Greece get a massive write down should we riot?
Well well all the stupid sheep wont follow you if any of the general public had a brain or a heart it would have happened by now!! Micheal Noonan stood at a press conferance telling blatant lies and where is the riot??
How many households have coughed up so far? Doesn’t matter though because I’m not paying this ‘bailout’ tax.
Anybody got a link to a central petition opposing this?
Hopefully first step in people exercising our democratic right to civil disobedience. Not one single banker or politician has done jail time. And for that say NO loud and clear.
I am a 100% behind Clare Daly. But…
Somehow I feel that we have missed the bus on this idea of being proactive.
I remember the days of massive queues at our two major tollbridges. The westlink and the eastlink.
To this day I cannott understand how people put up with not just queueing but paying for it.
From a psychological and tactical point this would have been the time acting in advance of a future situation. ( Show the government some teeth and make them aware of the fact that the people of Ireland are no pushover ).
Your government knows your breaking point, your subvervient nature and how easily you give in to fear of adverse consequences if you don’t pay up.
How do you intend to change this mindset ?
Ah but we’ve proved we are push overs!!
When are we going to see the cost of running the country being seriously tackled? I’m not talking salaries of public servants btw. Every county council has a planning dept, environment section, motor tax office, a county manager, a coroner, road maintenance section, parks services etc. We have county, local and urban councils. Tipperary has two councils ffs. Still no sign of councils sharing services to reduce costs & maximize efficiencies. There is billions of € being wasted on duplication of services. Cut the number of local authorities in half, share services then we can consider a charge for local services.
Tipperary’s two councils are being merged by the Minster for the Environment, as are Limerick’s two councils (city and county). Not a bad start but I suggest they could the same for a lot of councils. We have too many layers of local government between town, borough and county/city councils.
Very good article Clair, so refreshing to hear a TD in the Dáil hit the nail on the head in so many ways- you have the mood of the people as the elected govt ignore it.
NOT ANOTHER RED CENT FOR THIS TAX PAYER , NOONAN AND HIS GERMAN BONDS (YES HE HAS GERMAN BONDS) CAN FECK OFF !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PS.Can anyone tell me why when i hit like it just brings me to the top of the page and doesnt register the like?? real annoying — kedep pluggin Clair
Press the refresh button. Happens sometimes. Dunno why
@P Wurple
At what point for you does it become non-piddly? Because for me, I don’t find 100e a piddly amount for starters. And make no mistake this is only the beginning, and its past time to say stop!
Here’s where I am with this. I get the injustice of taxing the ordinary people and not taxing bond holders. I get angry that the Govt will pretend this is local taxation for local services. I back the concept of civil disobedience and think that power needs to be used sometimes even if only to keep a political establishment honest.
However, I am uncomfortable with a politician recklessly advising the public to break the law. Maybe it is that I don’t see the politics of the far left as anymore honest than the politics of the right wing FG/FF/Lab amalgam. I am also mindful that Claire also championed against paying bin charges so I am prone to discount her (no doubt sincerely held) beliefs.
A normal functioning society can’t exist by picking and choosing which laws we obey. If it is okay for me not to pay this, why is it not okay for a builder/developer to avoid paying pension/insurance contributions?
But then I come around to the idea that taxation needs to be fair and equitable. This clearly isn’t fair but it is at least equitable. So on balance, I am likely to support a boycott.
However there are, I believe, more effective ways of boycotting that doesn’t involve law breaking and would have a more powerful effect.
1. All TD’s who are against the tax, resign their seats and make support or not for this tax, the only issue for re-election. (People get to express clearly their opinion in a law-abiding way).
2. Everyone start to register their properties but before they do, seek clarification on the data protection issues. Collapse the website through multiple queries on what the tax is for, how it will used, can i trust this website, etc.
3. Register for the site and lodge an immediate (coordinated) ‘inability to pay’ claim. Force Govt to justify the tax.
4. construct an alternative site which has the purpose of registering Irish people as ‘senior and increasingly unsecured bondholders in Ireland Inc.’. File for bankruptcy protection / administration as a single or better still 4 million individual applications.
5. repeatedly transfer ownership between different owners.
6. register the ownership as whichever bank one had ones savings or mortgage with. (Showing that this website has no legal meaning in defining property ownership.)
7. Register NAMA/IMF/Angela Merkel as the beneficial owner.
Only when we have had as much fun as we possibly can, would I consider breaking law or encourage anyone else to do so.
Or better still, just don’t pay.
But the thing is that the lawmakers in Government can bend and shape the law around themselves if they want, and as we’ve seen over the last few years, they have done. So why should we, just because we’re not members of the Dáil, have to sit down and take their shite? And I think a normal functioning society SHOULD pick and choose, for some parts, the laws it wants to follow. Certain laws are unjust and are unfeasible for many families, such as the Household Charge. If we just took everything, and I mean everything the government put before us, as you think a normal functioning society should, then they could do whatever they wanted with us. And I know many many people on this site are of the opinion that they already are doing what they want with us, but look around you to Syria or Belarus or even the USA, and you can see that we at least have some degree of personal liberty left, if only a small scraping of it.
“A normal functioning society can’t exist by picking and choosing which laws we obey. If it is okay for me not to pay this, why is it not okay for a builder/developer to avoid paying pension/insurance contributions?”
Had a little lol at this! Especially knowing that the builder in question often sits next to Deputy Daly in the Dáil.
Let Erin remember the days of old
Ere her faithless sons betrayed her!
The politicans are betraying our country and faith in the vote they received, Do Not betray your sense of duty and stand up for yourself and family and friends. Because if you and I dont we will give away everything that makes us Free Irish citizens, WHAT kind of future do you want? Let’s all start to talk in unity and make our voices heard en masse, Commenting cools the burning in all our heads but activley marching and harassing these puppets will end this anger, worry and feeling of hopelesness. Come on , fresh minds versus aged died in the wool numbskulls. We CAN change the system.
Another matter in all of this is that every body who bought a new house in addition to paying stamp duty (if applicable) VAT at 13.5% was included in the price that was handed over to government. A lot of people paid stamp duty on the gross price but should have paid stamp duty at nett of vat as you can’t charge tax on tax well as least up to now.
VRT is a tax on tax. The Euro gang told the Irish government it was illegal under EU law and have fined them every year for keeping it. This is because the make more from vrt then the fine they have to pay the EU.
Damien, please do not spout nonsense, there are too many gullible people who read this site!
For a socialist Td Clare daly hadn’t a clue on how taxation works. Disappointing that she sees no correlation between people paying taxes and getting quality services. This is the same woman who declared bin charges in Dublin were a hidden tax, when the rest of the country had been paying for bins all along.
She’s not socialist she’s populist.
Couldn’t agree more. She’s a populist and a political opportunist. I’ve loved her performances on Vincent Browne where he always asks her how her party would fund the deficit. “Tax on the rich” and “burn the bondholders” are always the default response, but I doubt a “tax on the rich” would find €16bn a year somehow. And even if it did, then the following year it would probably be down to €0!
Funny how conservatives are always quick to label genuine political fighters who will stand up for ordinary people as “populist”.
Clare (and Joe Higgins) are about the furthest from political opportunists that you can get and anyone who knows them and their record of decades working in their communities and workplaces will attest to this. They accept only the average industrial wage from their Dail salary and the balance goes into campaigns like this very one. Finally we have political representatives with integrity, instead of gombeen “lifestyle choice” arrogant bullies like Michael Noonan and Joan Burton. Clare and Joe stand in the proud tradition of Larkin and Connolly in defending ordinary people against the parasitic puppets of international finance in government.
This is a bailout tax, nothing less and if people do not stand up against this madness now we will be mired in recession, unemployment, emigration and despair for the next ten years. Sucking more and more money out of the pockets or ordinary workers and pensioners will deepen the spiral of debt and get us nowhere. Just like the water tax campaign in the 1990′s (led by Clare and Joe) we will defeat this unjust burden by standing together, not registering and getting involved in the campaign http://www.nohousehold tax.org
To those who constantly bleat on about how we will fund the country, fiscal deficit etc etc – without job creation there will be no recovery in state finances. Without the political will to go after the immense wealth that still exists among a very tiny percentage of people in Ireland, there will be no recovery. Without discarding this ridiculous taboo of increasing corporation tax, there will be no recovery.
The United Left Alliance of which Clare and Joe are representatives submitted a pre-budget document in December as an alternative to the governments slash and burn of wages and services:
5% asset tax on the richest 5% of the population = €10billion (source Credit Suisse)
Doubling the effective tax rate on all income over €100K (a graduated rate based on income with an effective rate of 58%) = €5billion (source Revenue Commissioners)
Stopping payment to Anglo Bondholders = €3.5billion
Stopping the payment of interest on IMF/ECB money to bail out the banks = €6.8billion (2012 estimate – source Dept of Finance)
Capping public sector pay at €100K = €264million (source Dept of Finance)
Total = €25.5billion
Where does the funding for a public investment programme come from to create employment – estimated cost €26billion over five years
NPRF = €5.3billion
Surplus from savings above = €5.56billion
Changes to pension funds tax breaks (€2.2billion over 5 years) = €11billion (minimum – the measure is designed to significant increase investment in the Irish economy by Irish pension funds, currently only 1% of the €70billion pension fund pot is invested in Ireland)
Savings from reduced expenditure from remedial public sector works (eg renovating the water mains network) = €2.5billion (minimum)
Total = €24.3billion
There’s a massive budget defecit regardless of the bank bail out. Govenment spending will have to reduce and taxes will have to increase. Anyone who thinks otherwise is deluded.
Yes but why let the truth get in the way of a good whinge and moan
Apparently there’s a magic money fairy who’s going to fund all the services without broadening the tax base!
And the magic funny fairy also has €16bn (annually) in his/her back pocket as there won’t be any cuts under the ULA either. Oh and the magic fairy isn’t the Troika or the markets either. This magic fairy gives money at 0% interest and doesn’t ask for anything in return.
Perhaps the ULA have all been smoking something stronger than Ming’s weed if they believe in this fairytale.
Everybody knows well there is a general deficit – but almost half this year alone is composed of bank related debt. We might have a fighting chance if that burden was removed. But, by all means, sit back and believe that we are deluded and looking for a bogey man and that you possess greater intellect- if it makes you feel better about being robbed blind.
Good man Dave. The love-in was getting a bit cosy there. Doncha love a party crasher?
win public opinion by opposing taxes? how very original……this person really is a bright spark.
who needs taxes? sure, they only fund public services!! (sarcasm)
if there had been a property tax maintained (and not dropped) in the 1990s, we wouldn’t be in such a mess now.
Clare wants all the public services and none of the taxes. I’d love to see local authority budgets slashed to represent the amount of people that pay the charge. I know I wouldn’t miss any of their services but Clare and her supporters would
Spacer. Are you a student of Satire??? LMHO
@reada. Glad to have brightened up your miserable existence.:)
David. You’ll be pleased to hear my miserable existence is over. I’ve finished my love affair with the Labour Party and the weight off my shoulders is tremendous.
A woman can only take so much infidelity and they’d slept with the enemy once too often. And hell you know what they say about a woman scorned !!!
>:-(
Weird
Sorry about all the nasties down the end Claire. Not like them to be up so late…
That’s because we work for a living
So do I.
Excuse me! But why isn’t the septic tank fee lumped in under the household tax??? Oh right, because townies won’t pay for anything in rural ireland yet the culchies have to pay for the townies street lights, cleaning etc. Household tax durh money for local authority, durh local authority want more money for poo durh
Ah great. Another great division is created between our citizens. The rural dweller v the urban dweller. Whatever happened to Irishmen, united under one flag with a common purpose?
Does it look like I created the divide? I’m only asking why can’t the local authorities use the new council tax to pay for this inspection fee? Inda said the household/council tax is for the local authorities to provide services, streetlighting, street cleaning etc. I don’t avail of that, what do I get for my council tax? Can I get my septic tank inspection fee out of it? no? who pays for the urban dwellers poop treatment facilitites? me? yes.
I didn’t decide to live in a rural area, I was born here. I paid for my septic tank myself, it works fine, I’m 5 miles from the nearest river, I’m surrounded by 4,325 cattle pooping all around the place. My poop isn’t damaging the environment, can ye not f-off, no?
Can I remind people that there’s a village in galway that’s only getting running tap water this month. Shocking in this day an age, a place completely ignored during the boom by the local authorites and they have the audacity to act as though they’re great for giving the villagers running water, a christmas present they called it when it was announced in December.
It is far better to have one charge per household charge that encompasses the local authority services, tv licence, sceptic tank, bins, second home tax and other stealth taxes, where each have their own bureaucracy (8% of TV licence goes on admin, advertising, data, inspections, and prosecutions). Spread over the year, ALL households should pay something, and those on low income obviously should pay less with those with second homes should pay more. Income tax (41% + USC + PRSI), corporation (12.5%) and VAT (23%!!!) should not be the only sources of revenue. But what the government is at is funding a data base.
Clare daly makes me feel nautious.
Feel nauseous? I’ll go the whole hog. Fine Gael make me puke. :-)
Why is it nonsense Martin? Because you can’t think outside the box? Here we go again with the old “populist” slander. To me, “populist” is this government and their pre-election campaign – say one thing to appeal to voters and and then do the opposite. The ULA deputies at least follow through on their promises to fight for ordinary people. As for propositions to alleviate the burden the Socialist Party has put forward numerous proposals, e.g. http://www.socialistparty.net/economy/791-mortgage-crisis-government-has-no-solution-
Wallace is an independent td. Nothing to do with the Socialist Party. We have been vociferous in our opposition to the developers who created this mess and Wallace is no exception. What exactly is not thought through about our proposals? And what are your solutions? They are a radical starting point to rectifying the economy. We realize of course that they would never be implemented by the conservative parties in Ireland which is exactly why we need a radical overhaul of the entire system.
Apparently if you put you hands over your ears and shout nananana the nasty property tax man will go away!!
I don’t think so!
Enough is Enough.
The irony of all this is that no one has said how the 400 million euro a day borrowed to just run the country .the remedies put out by the alliance is utter nonsense . The proposed tax on transactions would be the realistic solution and would have to be worldwide to prevent the likes of what is happening in Greece . We are some way from that situation but if we follow the so called socialist group we would end up in dire straits.this group have made no proposition on how to alleviate the burden on hard pressed people who have last their jobs and are unable to repay their mortgages .only populist rhetoric ,meaningless guff. That pander to the dail with their witty comments and condone the nonpayment of pension fund for hard pressed workers .
the Irish will be forced to borrow more money from the banks to pay all these extra taxes.. either that or become homeless & starving
The socialist party put out nothing that are thought through and as for looking after the working class,,they did not distance themselves too far from wallace when he robbed the pension contributions of his misfortunate workers
have your say