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One councillor in Trim believes banning gum could be an effective way of banishing a regular eyesore. holisticmonkey via Flickr

Councillor wants Trim to become Ireland's first chewing gum-free town

Although shopkeepers have rejected the idea, Fine Gael councillor Gerry Reilly wants the town to examine plans to outlaw chewing gum.

A TOWN COUNCILLOR in the Co Meath town of Trim has urged the town’s retailers to stop selling chewing gum – and for the town to become the first one in Ireland to outlaw the sale of the product.

Fine Gael councillor Gerry Reilly told last week’s meeting of the Town Council that a recent visit to Singapore – where the substance has been outlawed since 1994 – had inspired him to wonder whether a similar ban could be proposed in Trim, which was already named Ireland’s most litter-free town.

“The absence of chewing gum was very notable,” Reilly told TheJournal.ie, adding that if Trim would stand out among towns in Ireland – and in Europe – if it followed suit and removed the problem of chewing gum stains on the town’s footpaths.

The town council had recently spent €3.5 million on new footpaths and streetscapes, he added – an investment which could be safeguarded if the town adopted bye-laws banning the sale of gum.

Though Reilly says the proposal was well-received by other members at the council meeting last week, the town’s retailers appear to have responded more coolly to the proposal: a straw poll of retailers carried out by the Meath Chronicle suggested that the Town Council would find it difficult to sway traders into abiding by any such ban.

One shopkeeper told the paper’s Paul Neilan that retailers were “already struggling” – arguing that a ban on a popular product would make things even more difficult for the passive retail trade – while the chairman of its chamber of commerce believed it was more appropriate to enforce littering laws already in place.

It is understood that the Town Council is not likely to take any further action on the proposal unless the attitude of the traders changes.

“I just put it out there to test the waters – though the traders would have to agree on, so we’d need a consensus from the traders. If we got agreement from the traders we could go ahead of it,” Reilly said.

“I do believe it’s after opening up a debate which might lead to something.”

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    Sep 16th 2020, 9:18 AM

    golfing ok it not a wedding

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    Sep 16th 2020, 9:35 AM

    @frank_1916: open the nightclubs

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    Sep 16th 2020, 9:42 AM

    @frank_1916: It’s not ok. That’s why they lost their jobs. You or I wouldn’t have lost our jobs.

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    Sep 16th 2020, 9:45 AM

    @frank_1916: 2 people out in the open air, up to 50 in a room with no masks as they eat and drink. Yea, they are the same thing.

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    Sep 16th 2020, 9:53 AM

    @Thomas O’ Donnell: one person lost his job and he was arrogant until the bitter end. Dara Calleary is still a TD. Some Senators lost ‘the whip’ but not their job. The Dáil COVID safety officer was there and still has a job which is an absolute joke.

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    Sep 16th 2020, 10:24 AM

    @Aidan O’ Neill: yea one job lost and he got a big golden handshake

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    Sep 16th 2020, 10:25 AM

    @Thomas O’ Donnell: one lost his job and got a big pension

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    Sep 16th 2020, 11:22 AM

    @Levante Dublin: I’d say the stricter restrictions for Dublin will include opening of nightclubs and increased numbers at golf outings

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    Sep 16th 2020, 12:02 PM

    @Aidan O’ Neill: It was a dinner held less than 24hrs after the new restrictions came in. Should it have happened ? No. But it did. Time to stop the witchhunting and move on. This curtain-twitching, blame gaming, self-righteous nonsense is making us the laughing stock of Europe. Even our president has had to come out against this type of behaviour. At this stage Its bordering on a collective mental health issue amongst our population.

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    Sep 16th 2020, 1:04 PM

    @Thomas O’ Donnell: its the public thet should have been serving. Only themselves to blame putting themselves above everyone else.

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    Sep 16th 2020, 1:55 PM

    @frank_1916: As the Story has updated stating No Legal Restriction. None of what they recommend has any legal comeback whatsoever. Its all advisories and guidelines. Nothing else. You don’t Have to wear a mask if you don’t want to, you don’t have to stay in Dublin, you can get on a bus, train to Bray next week and get hammered all day wandering from pub to pub then head on back home if ya want. And people should do that, head on out, live your life, because this constant Fear factor this useless Govt keep peddling is wrecking people’s lives. For what, a Casedemic, nothing more than a head cold. Yes it will affect you if you have serious health issues, so will running up a stairs, the flu and any number of other things might get ya. This whole Casedemic needs some perspective, but we are not gonna get any from a Govt more interested in themselves than the people of this country.

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    Sep 16th 2020, 9:18 AM

    Would love to see an independent poll on how many people are strictly adhering to the guidelines, never mind guidance. Not putting Dublin on L3 is another blunder by this government.

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    Sep 16th 2020, 9:34 AM

    @Gareth Murran: they need to start doing it by area rather than whole counties. Some parts of Dublin have very low cases while others have really high numbers.

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    Sep 16th 2020, 9:36 AM

    @Sam Harms: Only one part of Dublin around Dun Laoghaire has low cases, the other 7 Dublin regions all have high to very high levels.

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    Sep 16th 2020, 9:38 AM

    @Gareth Murran: Where was his advice for the 10s of 1000s of workers who commute on a daily basis into Dublin. Should they stay at home .Not to mention anyone going to or from the airport from outside Dublin. Should all the containers coming into Dublin port only stay in Dublin or are they alright to move all over the Country.

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    Sep 16th 2020, 9:42 AM

    @Rochelle: I know that, and Dun Laoghaire is somewhere a lot of people go especially when it’s sunny so would it not make sense to try to stop people travelling to an area like that?

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    Sep 16th 2020, 10:49 AM

    @Sam Harms: it’s because the people in Dun Laoghaire are respecting the guidelines. Pure and simple.

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    Sep 16th 2020, 12:00 PM

    @Philip Kedney: If they are going to lock down as people are looking for then as you say stop anything coming into or leaving Dublin, Lets see how things work out then.

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    Sep 16th 2020, 1:50 PM

    @Gareth Murran: You can’t put the whole of Dublin on lockdown, some parts don’t have many cases were as Dublin North West and South are the worst as far as im aware. Put the parts that have the most cases in lockdown and see how the cases pan out.

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    Sep 16th 2020, 9:26 AM

    In Melbourne Australia they have just announced a fine of $4500 if you leave the Melbourne metropolitan area ( if you’ve 4 people in the car that’s 4500 each!) and their police are pretty handy at enforcing things like that too. They have way lower numbers than Dublin.

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    Sep 16th 2020, 9:33 AM

    @Dave Harris: I live in regional Victoria , the police backed up by the defense forces have literally placed a ring of steel around Melbourne to prevent people coming into regional Vic where the restrictions have been loosened due to lower numbers .
    The fine is $4957 per person. Reason for odd number is that fines are indexed linked and go up every year

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    Sep 16th 2020, 9:33 AM

    @Dave Harris:

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    Sep 16th 2020, 9:57 AM

    @Dave Harris: why don’t ya move to North Korea altogether.. Even stricter there I heard

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    Sep 16th 2020, 12:16 PM

    @Dave Harris: it’s become a police state. People arrested for posting an event on Facebook

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    Sep 16th 2020, 12:56 PM

    @Dave Harris: yes it’s a police state and nobody should give that as an example.

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    Sep 16th 2020, 1:07 PM

    @Dave Harris: Australians in general, respect their lands alot more than the rest of the world respects theirs.

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    Sep 16th 2020, 1:34 PM

    @Dave Harris: joke being policed so strictly, how does it compare to the other states? Amazing city but obv extremely left

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    Sep 16th 2020, 1:48 PM

    @Paul Lanigan: people on here a few weeks ago were championing the Australian approach to Covid. Now we know why their numbers are relatively low. And people were actually complaining about lockdown measures here and pubs being closed. Puts it all into perspective really.

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    Sep 16th 2020, 1:54 PM

    @John Egan: other states are single digit daiky cases or zero. Sydney is essentially normal bar phone number and temp checks at bars restaurants. No large crowds allowed at music sport events. Supermarkets declared massive profits. 2 tier economy in NSW at play.

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    Sep 16th 2020, 2:01 PM

    @Dave Harris: Im not championing this at all, i think the Victorian government has lost its reason. I am Australian and from Victoria. At the moment I cannot visit my elderly parents because of their stuupid hotel quarantine policy means they have put a cap on incoming international travellers. This is despite the current outbreak being caused from an outbreak from a QUARANTINE HOTEL!!! So instead of thinking the hotel quarantine was a bad idea and scrapping it, they have just doubled down on everything and introduced extra harsh restrictions to make up for their ineptitude

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    Sep 16th 2020, 11:09 AM

    folks- they lost the people months ago – once the ‘all in this together’ was shown up as a sham – ( did they propose at any stage the entire govt sector take 20% cuts – or just ‘those unlucky’ to be decimated had to live on 350 /203 a week / ) Golf sizzling steaks on sundays and trips to spain and Italy all ok for some ) while the vast majority tried their best with masks , cocooning and cancelling plans ) they started making up baseless restrictions with no science or data to back them up and change the ‘really important metrics’ from ICU Deaths and the system being overwhelmed – to cases per 100 000 populations and younger people getting milder symptoms as sticks to fear monger with – the people are able to see thru the spin – they lost the crowd and haven’t realised that if rely on millions of people to play along for retain some control – then you cannot break the trust with the people – it doesn’t matter what they say and do now – they will not be able to being the people with them like the first lockdown – they need to realise this soon because the next lockdown for Dublin were it to happen – will basically be unenforceable – no matter how many times they try the tea and sympathy speeches – they lost the crowd ages ago imo.

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    Sep 16th 2020, 9:32 AM

    The question of leaving or not leaving Dublin to go to another part of the country illustrates the very poor messaging. Legally you can go where you like but you are being “encouraged” not to leave Dublin. Just like legally you can come and go to Spain but we don’t want you to go.
    No wonder people are utterly confused.

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    Sep 16th 2020, 9:44 AM

    @Ciaran O’Mara: That was the way since March. There never was legally binding restrictions on movement.

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    Sep 16th 2020, 9:45 AM

    @Ciaran O’Mara: it’s called being a grown up and making sensible decisions. Each individual situation is different so we try not to make a one rule fits all. If you need rules or tools what to do to make your decisions that’s your bad. They are providing guidelines. Its a democratic country

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    Sep 16th 2020, 9:57 AM

    @Colin: Sorry Colin, there have been legal restrictions on movement at various times since March but they have been mixed up with non-legal exhortations to not do something. It’s a hotch potch mess.

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    Sep 16th 2020, 11:07 AM

    @Ciaran O’Mara: we all have to act sensibly That’s the only Amway to stop it spreading

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    Sep 16th 2020, 11:40 AM

    @Ciaran O’Mara: How is it confusing? They’re telling you it’s wiser not to go abroad. Perfectly clear. If you MUST go, go. Perfectly clear. If you don’t have to go, but choose to, go ahead and be a pigheaded ass. Perfectly clear.

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    Sep 16th 2020, 12:46 PM

    @pat seery: if only people would wiill be loads of Dublin cars in Wexford again

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    Sep 16th 2020, 2:12 PM

    @Mary Oliver: Dubs just down to support their local 2nd home economy.
    If you had a 2nd home or mobile and the sun was shining you would be travelling too.
    Quit whining about Dubs, you would have nothing but strawberries without them!!

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    Sep 16th 2020, 2:42 PM

    @ed o brien: how much are a joke are our opposition? It’s fairly obvious, try not to travel in our outside of Dublin of you don’t need to, and by need, we’re not talking about an Airbnb you booked in February or pre drinks for college. Take the Mickey and we see figures going up beyond Dublin, then there will be legal restrictions. For a party that still skirts around the law, it seems to want one of our politicians to handhold every permission of a decision they think of.

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    Sep 16th 2020, 7:39 PM

    @ed o brien: excuse me I am from Dublin ed o brien

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    Sep 16th 2020, 9:26 AM

    MAYBE THEY SHOULD TRY LEADING BY EXAMPLE???????

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    Sep 16th 2020, 9:29 AM

    @Pauline Fedigan: What wedding is Paschal Donoghue attending?

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    Sep 16th 2020, 9:38 AM

    @Ajax Penumbra: his boyfriends

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    Sep 16th 2020, 9:39 AM

    @Ajax Penumbra: He should be restricting his movements as he has returned from a non green list country within the last two weeks. No mention of that here….

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    Sep 16th 2020, 11:42 AM

    @Aviationdub: lol

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    Sep 16th 2020, 12:58 PM

    @Sean Oige: he is the minister for finance and the president of the Eurogroup . Honestly people have lost all perspective .

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    Sep 16th 2020, 1:14 PM

    @Pauline Fedigan: Should just use the motorways around Dublin as a Moat. Do the rest of the country a favour and lock ‘em all in.

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    Sep 16th 2020, 2:16 PM

    @PeeedOff: Yeah, and lock out all the people from surrounding counties who work inside said ring from their jobs.

    MENSA candidate or Darwin award candidate suggestion?

    I am going with the latter.

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    Sep 16th 2020, 9:28 AM

    I’d say the evening DART to Bray is going to a fun place to be next week.

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    Sep 16th 2020, 11:39 AM

    @Peter Cavey: Why would anyone do that? Wet pubs are open but with strict guidelines including numbers so the majority will get a stroll on the pebbles and nothing else.

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    Sep 16th 2020, 1:21 PM

    @Green Lentils: Far as I know, people can stay in the pub as long as they want and not have to eat a frozen pizza. Good enough reason for me.

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    Sep 16th 2020, 9:36 AM

    So a holiday ‘use your own discretion’, wedding ‘please don’t go’. Also ‘I will have to advise’. He’s finance minister, not health minister, a doctor, a virologist or anything. Leave that advice to them and get busy with a plan for economic recovery, one that this time benefits everyone.

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    Sep 16th 2020, 9:23 AM

    After a new comprehensive 6 month roadmap is released, new add-ons are flying in already. Public confidence was eroded the second different members of FF and FG started drip feeding their opinion. Look at the nonsense Stephen Donnelly was spouting for example. How can we make any plans at all for the next 6 months? Unfortunately we can’t control people from being ignorant and flippant against the guidelines.

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    Sep 16th 2020, 12:39 PM

    @Mark Hughes:
    Part one of two:
    The precedents for disease eradication through international cooperation
    https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/09/15/erad-s15.html

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    Sep 16th 2020, 2:03 PM

    @PV Nevin: Thanks for linking that, very good read.

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    Sep 16th 2020, 12:00 PM

    As far as I can see, we have regular Dubliners living here in a densely populated city, going about their business and most taking whatever precautions they can. Then we have people travelling through ports and airports from all over, commuters from surrounding counties, and protestors rocking up to the city center every other day. I don’t see a way to reduce numbers in Dublin without locking down all non essential travel through Dublin or significantly reducing the population. Since neither seems an option, we will need to learn to accept Dublin will have higher numbers than the rest of the country for the duration.

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    Sep 16th 2020, 9:33 AM

    When I read the headline, I was expecting to find out about hordes of Dubliners intent on abandoning the county for a wedding. Turns out it’s hypothetical

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    Sep 16th 2020, 9:50 AM

    @Anne Marie Devlin: while on the other hand, so called “wet pubs” opening only outside Dublin, will certainly result in many Dubliners travelling across the borderline of these closure restrictions to towns and villages…

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    Sep 16th 2020, 11:21 AM

    @David Van-Standen: Hopefully plenty of breath checks on roads in and out as well then. We have a bit of a history of being selfish tw@ts when it comes to our “right” to get drunk in public.

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    Sep 16th 2020, 11:42 AM

    @Anne Marie Devlin: exactly, like all the hysterics that have been used to describe this virus based on hypothetical what if scenarios. Like a lot of things these days, MSM gets a hold of it and blows it out of proportion with sensational headlines about possibilities. When the facts don’t complement the predictions we’re told to wait another 2 or 3 weeks…..

    Most are wearing masks where they’re being advised to and sanitising as prescribed. Those wearing masks are protecting themselves from those who aren’t so the dramatics can be turned down a few notches. Despite the effort, the numbers have been climbing daily for weeks yet the deaths have thankfully stagnated. Countries that had it much worse than us are now in a much better situation despite not being locked down at all or not being locked down as long or to the same extreme. It would be nice to know why. Saying its because of a house party or a meat plant is to simplistic and the resulting further lockdowns/restrictions are far to extreme.

    Regardless of anything, we will have to accept CV as a part of every day life. Thankfully the symptoms are either mild or nonexistent for the overwhelming majority. Why it’s effects on the 99% are ignored in favor of the 1% when deciding on policy is bizarre. Obviously we need to protect the vulnerable but surely this can be done in a manner that allows some semblance of normality for the rest!?

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    Sep 16th 2020, 1:58 PM

    @David Van-Standen: most likely, but we must focus on hypothetical family occasions so that the penance for our sins is adequate

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    Sep 16th 2020, 12:55 PM

    At which point in time will the government sit down & measure & balance the impact of their measures on society, namely :

    Unemployment
    Mental health
    Isolation & loneliness
    People’s quality of life
    Impact on children & young people
    Human relations

    Model and county the deaths, illnesses, deprivation & poverty and trauma.

    Then compare it with the death toll of covid 19.

    It’s not a difficult exercise and it’s clear to anyone who is not too petrified and with Stockholm symptom to see that covid 19 is like the sacrificial altar where we give up everything that is fundamental to people’s lives and uselessly. The moment restrictions are lifted it starts again.

    It’s not that difficult to come to this conclusion, it just requires the honesty to do it.

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    Sep 16th 2020, 1:37 PM

    @Isabel Oliveira: they won’t compare and we’ll never get any comparison because they’re not tryin anything different to compare to. It’s the same half measures they’ve be doing from the start. I mean if they’re serious about it then it should be a country-wide testing they’re just wasting money with this wait and see and then act BS.

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    Sep 16th 2020, 2:31 PM

    @Isabel Oliveira: “where we give up everything that is fundamental to people’s lives and uselessly. ”

    Call others deluded yet you post that conspiracy nonsense, we have given up nothing bar wearing a mask now and again. Please explain in a clear list what we have given up, im sure all us here would love to know.

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    Sep 16th 2020, 2:32 PM

    @John Egan: “I mean if they’re serious about it then it should be a country-wide testing ”

    This is what we have, anyone who thinks they have it can ring their GP and get an appointment for a free test. Your going on as if nobody is getting tested which is clearly false.

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    Sep 16th 2020, 2:44 PM

    @Marcus: absolutely. It’s just more conspiracy theory nonsensical gunk. Quality of life, loneliness, children impacted… There has been very little restrictions. Everyone can go to a pub or restaurant whenever they want. Everyone can travel wherever they want, even to the US or Spain with over 600K cases. The shops, cinemas, all pubs (soon) are all open. We can take public transport wherever we want. We can enter into each others houses. The schools and educational institutions are open. I’m not getting this Gemma angle at all. I’ve been doing whatever I want since June. Wear a mask, wash your hands and live your life.

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    Sep 16th 2020, 6:07 PM

    @Marcus: let’s see Marcus :

    Elderly alone in care homes
    People alone in hospitals
    Mothers alone in maternities
    Kids out of school for half a year and now back to a dystopian school
    People prevented from socialising
    Human interaction being equated to infection
    Hugs or human touch to be avoided
    People hammered with adverts “ assume everybody is infected “
    Unemployment
    Mental health deterioration
    Loneliness & fear
    Other health conditions relegated to background

    Sure we gave up nothing and it’s all a conspiracy . You have a strange concept of life and “ nothing “

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    Sep 16th 2020, 6:36 PM

    @Isabel Oliveira: Absolute hysteria. Re-read your list and consider how man would have been true (conditions existed) pre Covid. Let’s not deflect from pre-existing problems like mental health and people being alone in care homes and blame this on mild lockdown measures. I’m giving my family hugs all the time. I’m socialising in the pubs. I’ve plenty of human interaction. Apart from wearing a mask the kids are as you were in school. This hysterical scare mongering that this limited lockdown that we are undergoing is killing us has to stop. This fear spreading is likely to create more mental health issues than the mild lockdown measures that are currently in place.

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    Sep 16th 2020, 9:34 AM

    There are mixed and confusing messages coming from Government now on restrictions. What’s needed is Clear, Simple messaging on what is recommended and what is Not to keep us all safe. With a Focus remaining on our most Vulnerable in nursing homes and disability/mental health facilites

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    Sep 16th 2020, 2:45 PM

    @Eamonn Tierney: if you have anyone in a nursing home or mental health facility, don’t go near them. Don’t go near the staff, don’t go near the deliveryman stocking up on bread. Keep away and you’ll keep them alive. Do you really need clear guidance on this 6 months in?

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    Sep 16th 2020, 9:20 AM

    Cheek!

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    Mute Proudly Italian
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    Sep 16th 2020, 9:35 AM

    I have to wear an helmet when driving my moped. Is it compulsory. Why can be simply be enforced wearing a mask, anywhere, outside our own house? And leave people free to roam wherever they like to?
    I have two dinners and events in Italy next month, and I have to attend. Plus I have to plan Halloween break brinigng the kids to their grandpa’s in Italy.
    Just enforce the use of the mask anywhere.

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    Mute Martin
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    Sep 16th 2020, 9:50 AM

    @Proudly Italian: do you “have” to do those things or just want to?

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    Sep 16th 2020, 9:58 AM

    @Martin: thin gray line here. I “have” to because is part of my social life. Of course, I was live as a monk, I wouldn’t “have” to anything unessential. The point is, enforce compulsory mask use and social distancing, and let people free to roam.

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    Sep 16th 2020, 9:59 AM

    “if I was living as a monk”

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    Sep 16th 2020, 11:21 AM

    @Proudly Italian: do we want a dictatorship where everything is a ‘law’, or do we want a democracy where the individual shares responsibility for his fellow citizen? The adults need to step forward, before we go further down the slippery slope of a law for every situation, and a lawyer for everyone that can afford one!

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    Sep 16th 2020, 12:11 PM

    @Proudly Italian: This is why some health officials are skeptical of mask usage: it gives the wearers a false sense of security, flouting of social distancing guidelines, and results in stuff like the above. “I’m wearing a mask, so I’m perfectly safe…”

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    Sep 16th 2020, 12:15 PM

    @Niall: dictatorship vs. democracy has nothing to do with law. The law make things plain and simple, while looks to me -about covid- thare are lots of ‘advices’ from the gvt, ma no clear rule. Is still advised not to travel, is advised to isolate, to wear mask… but none of them is compulsory.

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    Sep 16th 2020, 12:19 PM

    @Noel Kelly: The point (which is NOT yet clear it seems), is that the mask DOES NOT protect the wearer, but the OTHER people. So, if EVERYBODY wears a mask, you’ve got an overall protection good enough to lift almost all movement restrictions.
    So, no, you’re NOT safe wearing a mask, you ARE safe enough if ANYBODY ELSE wear it. Including yourself.

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    Mute Isabel Oliveira
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    Sep 16th 2020, 1:06 PM

    @Martin: everybody has to do these things unless you want a society of traumatised, fearful, deeply unhappy , lonely people existing in a limbo, not living.

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    Mute Noel Kelly
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    Sep 16th 2020, 1:12 PM

    @Proudly Italian: Evidence on masks over the last 40 years or so is weak either way. Personally, I’m adhering to both mask wearing and social distancing, despite my reservations about masks. You can’t say masks are good enough on their own to stop social distancing; though if you have the evidence to support it, throw up a link?

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    Sep 16th 2020, 1:38 PM

    @Proudly Italian: there is nothing ‘plain and simple’ in terms of law, otherwise we would not so many sheister lawyers.

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    Sep 16th 2020, 1:40 PM

    @Noel Kelly: Apologies, I express myself badly. I meant masks AND social distancing. But keep borders free, travelling free and as much as possible activities free. Locking down people has less and less sense.

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    Sep 16th 2020, 1:44 PM

    @Proudly Italian: I actually think we’re in complete agreement, to be honest! This makes sense. Limited amount of restrictions are easier to follow, allow for more freedom, are less detriment to economy, and overall more people actually following them! Lockdowns and multiple “flexible” tiers of urgency leads to more confusion and less people following them.

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    Sep 16th 2020, 3:13 PM

    @Noel Kelly: you guys seem to be in agreement, but are both, respectively, wrong. You seem to be confused about what masks are supposed to prevent – every one of the current positive tests councils potentially have been in a bar wearing a mask where one infected person with covid walked by coughing. Standard masks will never protect you. Social distancing hasn’t been happening properly either. Bringing your kids on a holiday, whether you see it as essential or not, could potentially kill your grandparents as you are coming from an infectious area. Mature thinking is needed – do you want to delay “kids seeing grandpa” until this is under control, or are you 100% certain that you, and everyone you meet on the way including on the plane, are not and will never be infectious. Stay put, like the rest of us. Your social life is not greater than anyone elses actual life.

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    Mute Tony Kennedy
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    Sep 16th 2020, 9:49 AM

    What is it with politicians seeking attention by making pathetic little statements like this ? And what is it with the print media even posting them .

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    Sep 16th 2020, 10:57 AM

    Freedom !! ✊✊

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    Mute Marcus
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    Sep 16th 2020, 2:07 PM

    @Dolphins: We never lost freedoms.

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    Mute Frank Mullane
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    Sep 16th 2020, 11:25 AM

    One option that I have not heard yet is so obvious to me. It really can be so simple. Currently the main source of infection, so we are told, are house parties, gatherings,or whatever they are called. The alcohol for these is purchased at the off-licence or supermarkets. CLOSE All the off-licences and open the pubs. We would then have some control over groups drinking together.
    I know this is an “off the wall” suggestion but I feel everything else has not worked, we need to think outside the box and protect everyone even those who do not want to protect themselves.

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    Mute Isabel Oliveira
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    Sep 16th 2020, 2:40 PM

    @Frank Mullane: they keep telling us house parties but numbers do not point in that direction. last 14 days indicate that 35% are from 0 to 24 years of age. That indicates school children and creches as well as early twenties . That’s 885 of a total of 2524.

    232 health workers infected , 53 patients infected in hospitals. 11 clusters in nursing & residential homes with unknown number of cases, 13 clusters in schools ,22?in workplace excluding food processing, pubs, ( some are in guarda stations and pharma company ) 61 in private houses ( does not mean parties but cohabiting more likely ) , 6 clusters in meat plants, 3 outbreaks in homeless acc.

    Admissions to ICU: 3 (0 to 4 age (1) and 50 to 64 ( 2) .

    The fact it extends in private homes doesn’t mean it’s a party .

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    Mute Emma Smith
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    Sep 16th 2020, 3:48 PM

    @Isabel Oliveira: true. And remember that a cluster is two or more cases!

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    Mute Mark Walsh
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    Sep 16th 2020, 10:35 AM

    The Dubs will travel no matter what …….typical Dub attitude

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    Mute Sean Whelan
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    Sep 16th 2020, 10:41 AM

    @Mark Walsh: what about the thousands of people traveling in and out of Dublin everyday?

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    Sep 16th 2020, 11:41 AM

    @Mark Walsh: and all the country people who live there….duhhh

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    Sep 16th 2020, 12:35 PM

    @Mark Walsh: God yeah, how terrible of us to want to travel about, mischievous sleevins so we are . They don’t call us the Rebel County for noth…oh, wait.

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    Sep 16th 2020, 1:53 PM

    @Mark Walsh: yeah sure we own the country. We do what we want. The city that fought an empire wha. [Rolling eyes]

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    Mute Anne Marie Devlin
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    Sep 16th 2020, 2:00 PM

    @Mark Walsh: I doubt the dubs like venturing beyond the M50 much.

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    Sep 16th 2020, 1:30 PM

    Culchies creaming is themselves at the thoughts of this, very tragic how so many have showed their true colours in this pandemic, the anti Dublin Brigade on here should be ashamed of themselves, I had genuine sympathy when Kildare, Laois and Offaly went into lock down.

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    Sep 16th 2020, 1:54 PM

    @SB: 5 in a row alive alive oh.

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    Mute Seaniecp
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    Sep 16th 2020, 2:32 PM

    @SB: same. It’s quite pathetic.

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    Sep 16th 2020, 11:52 AM

    Why do we not know exactly where in Dublin the clusters are? Dublin is a big area. If we could see a big cluster in Howth, or Finglas or Rathgar or Dublin 1 then instead of closing down everything everywhere , simply close off the cluster areas and isolate . And, yes the Garda would check the exits to these areas….. it’s a pandemic… so try to deal with it and not pander to the PC brigade

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    Mute Green Lentils
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    Sep 16th 2020, 11:37 AM

    What’s the current situation with a group eating at a restaurant that serves drink in Dublin? Can you meet up with 4 or 5 friends but not have them to your house?

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    Mute Brynþór Patrekursson
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    Sep 16th 2020, 3:00 PM

    @Green Lentils: as long as the friends in the pub are all from the same household (or two if outside Dublin), you can have them back to your house under the same restriction *as long as* someone else in your household had not guests of their own.

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    Mute William Mc Cabe
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    Sep 16th 2020, 11:31 AM

    What part of the restrictions do the dubs not understand WEAR A MASK

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    Sep 16th 2020, 2:55 PM

    @William Mc Cabe: Everyone I know are wearing masks, what is it with people thinking no one in Dublin wears a mask. A lot of the anti maskers I know are from outside Dublin. A lot of people living and Working in Dublin are not “Dubs”.

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    Sep 16th 2020, 3:13 PM

    @William Mc Cabe: What is it with people thinking masks are some kind of panacea? Evidence is quite weak on their efficacy. Regardless, data shows cases rising in quite a lot of places *since* mandatory mask-wearing was introduced.
    All that said, I’m not an expert or an epidemiologist, so I do wear a mask as per guidelines. It is, however, worrying that people seem to think the rise in cases is solely due to people not wearing them…

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    Sep 16th 2020, 10:45 PM

    @Noel Kelly: Actually its mathematics. Long read https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rspa.2020.0376
    Minute Physics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y47t9qLc9I4
    In Short, if everyone wore a mask, even 50% effective one, it can bring the R value down to way below 1 in 3 weeks.

    Caveat, you also need to wash your hands.

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    Sep 16th 2020, 10:58 PM

    @Alex Gogan: According to mathematical models? Have you seen the amount of uses of the word “assumed” in that paper? I hesitate to base my beliefs in the efficacy of masks on assumed data.

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    Mute Jim O Brien Tech
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    Sep 16th 2020, 10:01 AM

    FINANCE MINISTER.. OK… Not health minister… I see, more rubbish.

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    Sep 16th 2020, 10:03 AM

    F… .ff

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    Mute Shawn O'Ceallaghan
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    Sep 16th 2020, 11:13 AM

    Don’t need to create an article for every little soundbite

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    Mute Patricia Tsouros
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    Sep 16th 2020, 1:51 PM

    This has to be the worst messaging from any government – you can travel outside Dublin but we advise you don’t. They should get rid of their new PR firm.

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    Mute Thomas
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    Sep 16th 2020, 11:43 AM

    What did Michael say the other day ” we’re not afraid to impose restrictions on Dublin “… Opens up pretty much everything, and stops an extra house hold member from entering yours. Joke!!!

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    Sep 16th 2020, 2:42 PM

    So let me get this straight, if it goes to level 3 tomorrow, travel restrictions outside of Dublin will be enforced?
    So cancel any staycation I may have booked on the advice of the government!

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    Sep 16th 2020, 2:50 PM

    @Sean Whelan: yes. That’s exactly it, and it all depends on our rates going down. There are more infectious people, including you and me, walking around Dublin than the population of any small town you were thinking of. Our staycation isn’t important.

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    Sep 16th 2020, 3:08 PM

    @Brynþór Patrekursson: and do you think the likes of Pascal haven’t had a holiday, I would love to see a poll of how many members of the Dail have been abroad on holidays this summer, I’d say quite a few.
    Like most people, I’ve cancelled holidays abroad, practice social distancing, wear a mask when shopping, I can’t see how another lockdown will work, especially since 15,000 people a day are traveling through Dublin airport, that’s not to mention the people streaming in and out every day for work.

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    Sep 16th 2020, 3:09 PM

    @Sean Whelan: no they won’t be at all

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    Sep 16th 2020, 3:11 PM

    @SB: Well according to Leo Varadkar in the last paragraph of the article, it will.

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    Mute David Bent
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    Sep 16th 2020, 3:49 PM

    @Sean Whelan: What’s the situation if your already outside the county when this guideline is enforced… week into holiday with a week to go!!

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    Sep 16th 2020, 4:45 PM

    @David Bent: I’d say you would be grand, I hope you’re already on your holidays though because I think the lockdown will be brought in tomorrow.

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    Mute Richard Starling
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    Sep 16th 2020, 1:01 PM

    The Dubs won’t take a blind bit of notice of any restrictions at any time

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    Sep 16th 2020, 1:22 PM

    @Richard Starling: the perception in Dublin was that rural areas were having lock ins every weekend. It’s harder for dubs to break rules as there’s a heavy Garda presence

    Maybe instead of chastising Dublin we should be chastising the Government who are on record now saying we have 1 to 3% false positives with our tests.

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    Mute Koen Smet
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    Sep 16th 2020, 1:19 PM

    There we go again, no ballet, no swimming, karate. All stuff for kids that is also an essential part of education will stop when we move to level 3. But no problems with restaurants or weddings.

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    Mute Barry Griffin
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    Sep 16th 2020, 10:16 AM

    Dubs only ruin a good country wedding. 4 bottles Bud ant they’re pissed.

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    Sep 16th 2020, 10:33 AM

    @Barry Griffin: funny, never met anyone that drank bottles of bud, but there ya go.
    Must give them a try sometime if they’re as strong as that!

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    Mute Green Lentils
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    Sep 16th 2020, 11:41 AM

    @Sean Whelan: For the love of God things aren’t that bad. Don’t do it Sean. DON’T!

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    Sep 16th 2020, 12:25 PM

    @Sean Whelan: the culchies drink the not for resale bud bottles they buy in the offo at weddings miserable …

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    Sep 16th 2020, 2:46 PM

    @Barry Griffin: we drink craft beer and Dublin stout only in the capital. Do they only have Bud in Killinaskully these days?

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    Sep 16th 2020, 12:28 PM

    Bit late now, should have been in some form of lockdown two weeks ago.

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    Mute Edel Quinn
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    Sep 16th 2020, 10:29 AM

    Relax, DON’T DO IT!!

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    Sep 16th 2020, 4:54 PM

    Anyone uttering the word ‘Staycation’ needs to have a serious talk with themselves. Christmas will be ‘The Holidays’ next. More yank jargon!

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    Mute Craig Halpatranags
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    Sep 16th 2020, 1:20 PM

    @Gareth Murran: their key health advisor admitted on Twitter that 1 to 3% of results are FALSE POSITIVES. They’re testing 10,000 a day so….

    If they shut Dublin businesses they’re leaving themselves open to enquiry or a lawsuit

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    Sep 16th 2020, 2:54 PM

    @Craig Halpatranags: that’s statistics. The false negatives are much, much, higher due to the large number of negatives, and the same probability of test failure. Considering there are 9,700 negatives, there are potentially 300 people passing you each day that are actually positive. Is that the point you were making?

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    Sep 16th 2020, 2:17 PM

    Wagging your finger at the Dubs will not stop the virus. If Government imposed some restrictions in Dublin and other problems areas when they should have then we be in a better place now

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    Mute Neil Cash
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    Sep 16th 2020, 12:52 PM

    Having the “wet pubs” opening next week in the counties surrounding Dublin, but not Dublin itself will only result in even more people travelling outside the county lines to have a pint than would have been had the “wet pubs” stayed closed.

    This 2.5 level for Dublin is bull crap – it’s either 2 or 3…I can understand why Dublin needs its own special rating..

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    Sep 16th 2020, 2:48 PM

    @Neil Cash: of anyone needs to be served by a batman instead of buying cans in a supermarket, and thinks they will drive to get that experience or “banter”, they need to be locked up. No question about it. Knowing this country, there will be several road deaths with “gagging for a pint in a bar” on their tombstone.

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    Sep 16th 2020, 2:45 PM

    Should have put the army on the M50 at the beginning. Problem solved

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    Sep 16th 2020, 12:32 PM

    Lock them up.

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    Sep 16th 2020, 2:22 PM

    Sure why would you want to leave it.

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    Sep 16th 2020, 3:35 PM

    what a generalization…some cases somewhere in dublin, half the country needs to stay home

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    Sep 16th 2020, 2:23 PM

    “advice” come on Dublin courtown tramore etc awaits ye pack your covid with ye

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    Mute Peter Coen
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    Sep 16th 2020, 6:10 PM

    So the staycation is where? Stop the world I want to get off.

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    Sep 16th 2020, 2:07 PM

    Build the second wall. Donegal to Louth and around the Pale

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    Sep 17th 2020, 6:21 AM

    To Soft Approach Lock it down..there all be coming to the West this weekend

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