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Drug dealing happens in mental health facilities across the country, doctor says

Injection centres, medicinal cannabis and investment were on the agenda at the IMO’s annual conference.

DOCTORS AT THE Irish Medical Organisation (IMO) AGM have spoken about the difficulties they face when treating people who are using illegal substances.

Dr Matthew Sadlier proposed a motion at the conference which would have seen the IMO call on the justice and health ministers, along with the Medical Council, to clarify doctors’ legal responsibilities in relation to reporting the use and sale of illegal substances.

Screenshot 2017-04-21 at 17.10.50 Dr Mathew Sadlier IMO / Twitter IMO / Twitter / Twitter

Sadlier stressed he wasn’t necessarily on either side of the argument but felt the issue needed to be debated as many medical professionals are unsure of what to do when such a situation arises.

The consultant psychiatrist noted that drug dealing happens in mental health facilities throughout the country, a somewhat inevitable offshoot of treating people with substance abuse issues.

A number of contributors opposed the motion, saying they understood why it was being proposed, but, if enacted, could put vulnerable people off seeking help.

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One doctor said patients in mental health or drug detox facilities sometimes make up information about other patients in a bid to get them in trouble, so not everything could or should be reported.

He said doctors should decide themselves if they need to report something, namely if they believe someone is genuinely at risk.

Ultimately, the motion was rejected.

Injection centres and medicinal cannabis 

Dr Garrett McGovern proposed a motion calling for the IMO to endorse supervised injection centres, due to the evidence they reduce overdose deaths, drug paraphernalia litter and the number of ambulance call-outs.

Some concerns were raised about the issue from the floor but most people agreed that international research highlights the positive benefits of such centres, and the motion was passed.

Medicinal cannabis was also on the agenda, with Dr Cathal Ó Súilleabháin proposing that the IMO urge the government to “not limit the availability of medicinal cannabis products in any future legislation by restricting their prescription to consultants and the indications for which they can be prescribed”.

Ó Súilleabháin, a GP in addiction services, took issue with the fact chronic pain is not one of the conditions for which medicinal cannabis could be prescribed under legislation currently being debated in the Oireachtas.

“One of the biggest things medicinal cannabis works for is chronic pain,” he noted.

download Health Minister Simon Harris Sam Boal / RollingNews.ie Sam Boal / RollingNews.ie / RollingNews.ie

Ó Súilleabháin said he believes the government does not want the bill to pass and will put too many restrictions on the use of medicinal cannabis.

A number of doctors contributed to the debate saying the approach to medicinal cannabis must be evidence-based and have some restrictions, noting it can be a potent drug.

A Health Products Regulatory Authority (HPRA) report recommended in February that medicinal cannabis be made available to people with certain medical conditions, namely:

  • spasticity associated with multiple sclerosis (MS)
  • nausea and vomiting associated with chemotherapy
  • severe, treatment-resistant epilepsy

Chronic pain was not included on the list.

Speaking about the HPRA report in the Dáil recently, Health Minister Simon Harris said: “Patients accessing cannabis through the programme will be under the care of a medical consultant.

“The HPRA report did not recommend the inclusion of chronic pain and spasticity from cerebral palsy conditions for cannabis-based treatments in the access programme.

“However, this position will be kept under review, and if better clinical evidence becomes available in future, the inclusion of these conditions can be reconsidered.”

Drink driving

Delegates also backed a motion calling for the government to legislate for an automatic ban from driving, “of appropriate duration”, for anyone convicted of drink driving offences, including first time offenders.

Proposing the motion on behalf of the IMO Council, Dr Patrick O’Sullivan said: “There should be a zero tolerance nationally on drink driving and an automatic ban on those caught.”

The motion was passed unanimously.

The discussion was timely given the fact legislation proposed by Transport Minister Shane Ross would mean anyone caught driving over the legal alcohol limit would get a minimum three-month ban.

‘Dying for investment’

The overall theme of the conference was ’Dying for investment’, with a number of speakers highlighting the need for extra resources and staff.

Dr Brian Turner, a health economist based at University College Cork, told delegates Ireland needs 2,800 extra doctors and 9,000 additional hospital beds to match OECD average figures.

He said the Irish health system has not fully recovered from cutbacks made in the 1980s and ’90s.

Screenshot 2017-04-21 at 18.14.14 Dr John Duddy and Dr Ann Hogan Twitter Twitter

Speaking to TheJournal.ie at the AGM, incoming IMO President Dr Ann Hogan said: “We need a massive investment in our health service.

We see how the health service has suffered after all the years of austerity … we have hospitals that just can’t cope, you go into an A&E and you could be there for days on a trolley waiting. We see long, long waiting lists for necessary surgical procedures like scoliosis procedures.

“I suppose our problem in some cases in this country is that we have had trouble recruiting people into critical posts because so many of our young health professionals are planning to go away and stay away … because work and conditions here are so poor and people can earn a lot more in other countries in settings that are an awful lot more conducive to their work and development.”

Hogan said we urgently need to invest in services and improve working conditions in order to get more doctors to stay in Ireland.

When asked about a possible restructuring of how money is spent in the HSE, Hogan said: “There’s a lot of sweeping statements made about some things, but obviously the health service does need to have managers and administrators.

“People will say, ‘Oh there’s too many people working in there’, but at the same time, when they ring up with their query, they want someone to answer the phone and be able to deal with their query.

We need to try and achieve a happy balance where we have enough people in management and administration, behind the scenes stuff. For every new consultant you employ, you do need someone to type up their letters, to make sure their appointments get sorted, all those kind of things.

‘An explosion in theatre capacity’

Speaking at the conference, Hogan’s predecessor Dr John Duddy expressed concerns over the work of the Oireachtas Committee on the Future of Healthcare.

He said the committee made a fundamental error by deciding to not cost its recommendations.

“While the notion of mapping out a 10-year strategy for healthcare is admirable, doing so without paying any attention to the resource issue is just meaningless and has significantly undermined the value of the exercise.”

Duddy said the IMO is concerned at recent leaks of the committee’s likely recommendations, stating: “While we will have to await the final publication of the report, what we are hearing so far is far from encouraging.”

He cited in particular the risk with rumoured proposals to legislate in order to oblige hospitals to perform within set times, saying this was impractical.

You can’t even begin to deliver on this proposal without an explosion in theatre capacity in this country. Even if all operating theatres were opened and fully staffed next week, it could not happen.

“There simply isn’t the physical space in operating theatres or surgical wards to cater for all the patients who would require surgery in this timeframe.

“If hospitals are fined or punished for failing to meet this target, it will have a negative impact on the whole hospital. This kind of target-driven culture will not help patients, and could ultimately harm them,” Duddy said.

Read: Doctor: People end up in foster care and jail because of drinking during pregnancy

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    Mute IrishGravyTrain
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    Dec 25th 2015, 10:43 AM

    Ronan Keating doesn’t even deserve to come last with that. Deserves to make no list. It needs to be removed from history like it never happened.

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    Dec 25th 2015, 11:18 AM

    Like him, removed from history

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    Mute Santa Claus
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    Dec 25th 2015, 2:58 PM

    As if his ear vomiting cover wasn’t bad enough, he went and pc’d all over the lyrics too, with the unforgivable; “You sc um bag You maggot You’re cheap and you’re haggard”

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    Dec 25th 2015, 4:08 PM

    This is the best cover version, in my humble opinion. Gives the original a run for its money. What a voice!
    http://youtu.be/YgawCu9X8o8

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    Dec 25th 2015, 4:18 PM

    Nope, it doesn’t even come close Dermot

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    Dec 25th 2015, 4:22 PM

    Good Ronnie Drew impression.

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    Mute Dermot Lane
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    Dec 25th 2015, 4:46 PM

    Ok I’ve, probably had too many Irish coffees. Great beard tho!

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    Dec 25th 2015, 4:58 PM

    I’ll give ya that one! Haha

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    Dec 25th 2015, 10:39 AM

    Is the author 10 or something? The Darkness song (one your Da would like) was only released in 2003!

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    Dec 25th 2015, 10:43 AM

    And anyway, a Christmas song that gets a choir of kids singing ‘Bells (Bell’s) End’ and ‘Ring peace (piece)’ and gets away with it past the censors is a work of genius! :/)

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    Dec 25th 2015, 3:30 PM

    Ah now Tom… Just to make to make you feel old 2003 is nearly 13 years ago at this stage. Most of The Journal staff were probably making their first communion around that time…

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    Dec 25th 2015, 10:34 AM

    How could you exclude Frank Kelly’s 12 days of Christmas. The best Christmas song ever.

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    Dec 25th 2015, 10:39 AM

    It’s number 33 on that list

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    Dec 25th 2015, 3:01 PM

    The Queen of England actually sent Frank Kelly a letter thanking him for the song, she loved it so much. I kid you not.

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    Dec 25th 2016, 6:25 PM

    @Santa Claus: It isn’t a song and I’m blue in the face from hearing on the radio today. They seem to think because he died this year that they need to play it over and over.

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    Dec 25th 2015, 12:07 PM

    I can’t believe John Lennon’s Happy Christmas (war is over) is not even mentioned! !!!

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    Dec 26th 2015, 1:09 AM

    Only reading the Journal now but you’re right. This list was done by a child.

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    Dec 25th 2015, 11:15 AM

    “Stay” by East 17 is NOT a Christmas song. It was written about the lead singer’s relation who was dying (listen to the lyrics). Some cynical/clever b****rd stuck a few bells and snow to the video and the public lapped it up…

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    Dec 25th 2015, 11:03 AM

    Fairytale of new York is overplayed. Has really ruined it for me! Greg lake and his bittersweet I believe in father Christmas should be in there. Or fogelberg and his another old lang syne.
    And what about proper classics like white Christmas and the Christmas song?!

    Happy Christmas to all by the way!

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    Dec 25th 2015, 4:13 PM

    Greg lake’s is really an anti christmas song, but it’s gorgeous. Should be on any list of the best christmas songs

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    Dec 25th 2015, 4:19 PM

    Definitely Greg Lake should be here! Like I’m thinking what the fock is Run DMC on it for… To say nothing about number 32!

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    Dec 25th 2015, 11:38 AM

    Power of love, Frankie goes to Hollywood?

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    Dec 25th 2015, 1:57 PM

    Johnny Mathis – “When a child is born”. Easily one of the top ten songs.

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    Dec 25th 2015, 4:21 PM

    Yet they have Run DMC and Ronan Keating on the bloody list.. Amateurs!

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    Dec 25th 2015, 12:29 PM

    Fuddy duddy alert!!! What about Bowie and Bing? Peace earth/ little drummer boy? I know I know but I like it and that’s that!!!!

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    Dec 25th 2015, 11:54 AM

    Driving home for Christmas should be much higher up the list

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    Dec 25th 2015, 3:04 PM

    A lot of Grinch journal posters prefer the other version, “Driving Home Nails for Christmas.” – oh wait, that’s Easter.

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    Dec 25th 2015, 10:33 AM

    It had to be number 1. No other choice. Merry Cwwistmas yaul. :)

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    Dec 25th 2015, 11:11 AM

    The Jackson 5, one of the most annoying versions of Santa Claus is coming to town. A record to play Frisbee with. Its horrendous.

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    Dec 25th 2015, 4:20 PM

    The Bruce Springsteen version is way better! These Journal-ists don’t really know their shlt

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    Dec 25th 2015, 11:00 AM

    Gary Jules, Mad World, 2003 ,The most depressing Christmas No1 of all time.

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    Dec 25th 2015, 4:14 PM

    Yeah but what a song, though! It actually summed up Christmas for me at the time it came out, I was going through a tough time. I still love it.

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    Dec 25th 2015, 11:51 AM

    Where’s Frankie goes to Hollywood.has to be in the top 5

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    Dec 25th 2015, 11:05 AM

    Songs ranked from sh**e to sh**e

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    Dec 25th 2015, 11:29 AM

    Watched east 17 on CH4 the other night..song was about his brother who died by suicide…record execs decided to add the bells etc and go for Xmas no 1..even the video was a copy of bony m..

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    Dec 25th 2015, 10:47 AM

    I m o….Christmas 1915 should be up there ….. Sean O’Shea awful singer in general but this one made for him.

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    Dec 25th 2015, 2:37 PM

    Same auld Lang syne….

    ” we bought a six pack and drank it in your car”
    Absolutely beautiful bittersweet song….

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    Dec 25th 2015, 2:55 PM

    Totally agree Ken.

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    Dec 25th 2015, 11:26 AM

    ‘ Schlittenfahrt.’ – I had to be carried out of a record store in Frankfurt with tears of laughter pouring down my face.
    Sorry Germans, no offense.
    Merry Christmas everyone, – even my red-thumbers…

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    Dec 25th 2015, 12:35 PM

    Paul McCartneys dirge must be truly the most annoying Christmas song every

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    Dec 25th 2015, 3:10 PM

    Could their be a bigger gulf between the genius of Lennon’s song which isn’t even mentioned here and that doodle by McCartney.

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    Dec 25th 2015, 1:47 PM

    Frankie deco number 1…. A song so brilliant it can be listened to throughout the year…
    ” I’ll protect you from the hooded claw, keep the vampire from your door”…

    Fairytale of New York just conjures images of Guinness fart full pubs ….

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    Dec 25th 2015, 10:55 PM

    Grandma got run over by a reindeer?! Anyone?! Surely deserves a spot over Ro?!!!

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    Dec 25th 2015, 10:36 AM

    Pretty much on the button!

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    Dec 25th 2015, 1:20 PM

    No 1 John Lennon – the rest do not even come close. It is not mentioned therefore the list is irrelevant.

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    Dec 25th 2015, 11:29 AM

    The Wombles – Wombling Merry Christmas definitely a classic and Top 20 if not Top 10

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    Dec 25th 2015, 5:48 PM

    I’ve never heard of number 7, Christmas Wrapping.

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    Dec 25th 2015, 2:48 PM

    John Lennon’s Merry Christmas War is Over, should be number 1 or thereabouts, just bizarre that its not even included here, and Coldplay’s Christmas Lights should be right up there too.

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    Dec 25th 2015, 6:10 PM

    I love mistletoe and wine. Fab song. But then I like traditional Christmas stuff

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    Dec 26th 2015, 2:38 AM

    Got into Medieval Christmas Carols and I like them… You never hear them just the same ould nonsense but there is always something new to learn and enjoy…

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    Dec 25th 2015, 12:15 PM

    Can’t understand why Alvin Stardusts “so near to Christmas ” song is not featured.Lovely relaxing melody and very nostalgic video.

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    Dec 25th 2015, 3:06 PM

    Probably because no one’s ever heard of it, never mind heard it.

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    Dec 26th 2015, 2:36 AM

    29 to 32 can get served with the turkey…

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    Dec 25th 2016, 6:31 PM

    Don Henley says we need new Christmas songs, I fully agree with him as we are listening to the same shit year in year out.

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    Dec 26th 2015, 11:16 AM

    No matter where you are on this planet, just close yours eyes listening to Fairytale of New York and Shane and Kristy will beam you beam you back to your local ln Ireland for a few precious minutes

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    Dec 25th 2015, 3:17 PM

    Retweeted your list with a suggestion, a song with the same title as the Mariah Carey. Think you’ll like it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1VkMBi9vvw

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