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Divided Ireland 'One side dedicated to making Ireland secular; another preserving Church's influence'

There is a profound, far-reaching division in Irish society, writes Larry Donnelly.

ONE CONSEQUENCE OF the upheaval on various fronts currently affecting western societies is that “divided” may now be the most used adjective in journalistic parlance.

The day after Donald Trump was elected the 45th President of the United States, Reuters news service published an online piece, which was provocatively entitled “‘Go to hell!’ A divided America struggles to heal after ugly election.”

Divisions

Writing in The Guardian just before the United Kingdom voted to depart the European Union, columnist John Harris opined that even a triumph by the remain side would not “say anything much about the essential condition of the country, aside from underlining how divided we are.”

And as the Financial Times reported ahead of the final round of the French presidential election earlier this month:

Opinion polls suggest he will win but the fight for office has exposed a divided country: One part happy, the other unhappy; one urban, the other rural and suburban; one embracing internationalism, the other seeking to erect barriers. They are the same fault lines shaking other western democracies, splitting those who feel they have gained from the far-reaching post war liberal shift towards an interconnected world, and those who fear they have lost, or will lose out.

Indeed, commentators have spent a considerable amount of time and energy exploring the myriad factors that have contributed to the divisions shaping the contours of ongoing debates in most western countries. Broadly speaking, they are right to do so.

Moreover, it is imperative that all mainstream, establishment political parties get to grips with the harshest reality of globalisation – one that they have collectively ignored for many years, now to their detriment.

Specifically, in 2017, the economic winners are much fewer in number and they are winning by a lot more, while the economic losers are significantly greater in number and they are losing very badly.

In Ireland, the “d word” is typically treated, consciously or subconsciously, as something generally applicable to our neighbours and allies, and something that we are relatively impervious to. But division isn’t necessarily driven solely by how equitably resources are distributed within a society.

And notwithstanding the serious problem of income inequality in this country, the division here is arguably most pronounced elsewhere.

Ireland: secularism versus cultural liberalism

The present Irish fault line seems to be between the secularism and cultural liberalism that is in the ascendancy and the predominantly Roman Catholic religiosity and cultural conservatism that, although in decline, remains a force.

The 2016 census revealed that 78% (3.7 million) of people in Ireland still describe themselves as Catholic. On the other hand, nearly 470,000 census respondents, or 10% of the population, say they have no religion.

The former figure represents a 6% drop from 2011 and the latter is a 73% increase. Additionally, and as is borne out by attendances at weekly Mass around the country, there are nowhere near 3.7 million actively practising Catholics here.

Yet a cursory examination of opinion pieces from the past month or so is indicative of the chasm that divides those who remember fondly the days when the church and her teachings permeated Irish life and those who desperately want to leave an era they recall disdainfully in the rear view mirror.

On one side, the headlines are “Time to defy mob mentality over religious orders,” “Fifteen centuries after St Patrick, Christianity is worth hanging on to” and “Church and State in Ireland are already separate.”

On the other, they read “It’s Holy Communion week so I am taking my eight year old son out of school,” “Time to end outmoded relationship between Church and State” and “A maternity hospital? Being given to the nuns? Come on.”

Animated debates between sides

The passionate disagreement between the two sides was to the fore in animated debates over the marriage referendum, loomed in the background during the public dispute over ownership of the National Maternity Hospital and will be front and centre in the campaigns to repeal or retain the 8th Amendment on abortion.

What makes division in this context in Ireland rather different, however, is that the two warring sides are joined by a third: that substantial segment of the population who don’t accept that the truth in this contentious arena lies at the poles. This group needs to be convinced on the merits of each individual matter and is, at times, repelled equally by the other two. The third side ultimately dictates how discord should be resolved.

In the marriage referendum, owing greatly to the shrewd tactics adopted by strategists working for a Yes vote – engaging sceptics in conversations without preaching and utilising personal stories to sway hearts and minds – the majority of the third side opted to make marriage a civil right for all and to look beyond Catholic doctrine on the subject. That said, roughly 40% of Irish people voted No.

When a row erupted over the proposed new National Maternity Hospital being “given” to the Sisters of Charity order of nuns, the most strident arguments against the move were proffered by those virulently opposed to any entanglement whatsoever of church and state.

Prominent Catholics, meanwhile, were keen to remind everyone of the crucial role played by their church historically in the provision of vital services. It seems to have been the robust assertions from Dr Rhona Mahony, the hospital’s master, that medical care would not be compromised by any religious ethos, regardless of ownership, that assuaged the third side – at least temporarily.

We are just as bitterly divided as America

And in what will inevitably be a heated fight about the 8th Amendment, the third side will again determine the outcome. Already, the unexpectedly liberal verdict of the Citizens’ Assembly is characterised by pro-choice advocates as the only natural conclusion upon careful study of the issue; pro-lifers view it as an abhorrent result flowing from a deeply flawed process.

Perhaps tellingly, though, politicians of all stripes, who, for all of their flaws, know the electorate pretty well, think that the assembly is not representative of the centre and contend that “Middle Ireland” will not be so accepting of a liberalised abortion regime. We shall see what the third side feels.

In the end, there is one faction dedicated to making Ireland a completely secular state and another that is committed to resisting change and preserving spheres of Church influence. There is a profound, far-reaching division. And it is erroneous to claim otherwise.

On what Americans label the “culture wars,” the divide in this country is often bitter. It’s just that Ireland has a politically powerful, albeit muted, third side.

While being “divided” has taken on quite a negative connotation, it is all but unavoidable in a democracy. Nonetheless, one would suspect that our neighbours on either side of the Atlantic would prefer tripartite division to the binary, virtually 50-50 splits in the US and UK that engendered the Trump presidency and Brexit.

Larry Donnelly is a Boston attorney, a Law Lecturer at NUI Galway and a political columnist with TheJournal.ie and IrishCentral.com. 

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    Oct 19th 2013, 1:06 PM

    Nice bill for the taxpayer !

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    Mute John Fahey
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    Oct 19th 2013, 1:12 PM

    Indeed – why should Ireland’s figure head promote Ireland in countries that are up and coming? Should stay here with us and moan about things whilst doing nothing!

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    Oct 19th 2013, 1:12 PM

    great he can visit some of our finest down there ,and by the way is he still mixing with the knobs from Ernst a Young you know the guys that fiddled the books in Anglo to make it look like a profitable bank,

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    Oct 19th 2013, 4:25 PM

    It is essential that the president does his job and promote Ireland – like any high ranking member of a corporation.

    But I fail to understand why Mrs Higgins – or any spouse – is going. She wasn’t elected though you’d think she was with all the coverage.

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    Oct 19th 2013, 8:29 PM

    Ah she has to look after the hobbit…er… President!!
    Funny though that ” De Prisident” isn’t going to two countries that have a huge Irish ancestry pouplation second only to the USA .That’s Argentina and Paraguy!! Maybe because they are nasty right wing Junta states.But its all right to visit fellow revoulitionary red states that have about as much in connection with Ireland as we have with outer Mongolia.

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    Oct 20th 2013, 12:54 AM

    This is a Republic. Our President is due some respect. Hobbit comments are a disgrace.

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    Oct 19th 2013, 1:08 PM

    Another parasite on this country ,

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    Oct 19th 2013, 1:21 PM

    Hopefully he gets caught in peru too

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    Oct 19th 2013, 3:14 PM

    Maureen
    Since the foundation of the State we have elected a succession of Presidents who have served us well and some even magnificently.
    For seven years they represent us at home and abroad and echo the Nations need to connect with others at a Social and Economic level for long term betterment of our people.
    With one vulgar and offensive word you attribute a characteristic to this man and Office that is wrong and unnecessary but typical of small minded bitterness!

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    Oct 19th 2013, 4:43 PM

    do you use andrex to wash your face dick?

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    Oct 19th 2013, 4:51 PM

    Paul Nelly
    What a weird question!

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    Oct 19th 2013, 4:54 PM

    the penny has a parachute…

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    Oct 19th 2013, 8:03 PM

    Do trade missions have any economic/trade benefit?

    Canadian research says no.

    http://www.nationalpost.com/story.html?id=a8009d33-da9c-4b46-8c7c-5ae9d10c5c45&k=54156

    If Mr & Mrs Higgins and Costello want to go on a jolly they should pay for it themselves.

    It is a vulgar exercise considering the deprivations many are experiencing at home.

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    Oct 19th 2013, 8:31 PM

    “and some even magnificently.”
    Dare you to name one!!! I DOUBLE DARE you ..Name us one president that has served us well or magnificently!

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    Oct 19th 2013, 10:10 PM

    Parasite me hole. He’s one of the few respectable politicians left in this country. I’m happy to have him as our president. Stop whining, you whingebag.

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    Oct 19th 2013, 2:02 PM

    No austerity for El Presidente, the party goes on and on for the golden circle. These guys are oblivious to the poverty affecting tens of thousands of Irish people. They take medical cards and telephones from the elderly and this silly old Labour Party leech swans off on a 12 day holiday. Bet he won’t have to spend any of his €250,000 salary either.

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    Oct 19th 2013, 2:34 PM

    Hear, hear!

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    Oct 19th 2013, 8:45 PM

    Have to say i agree,its obscene for the head of state of a bankrupt country to go swanning off on a ten day meet and greet holliday to south America,the local Irish embassy could do a similar job at a fraction of the cost.

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    Oct 19th 2013, 9:02 PM

    Why have we a president in this country, just an excuse to waste at least half a million a year on salary , expenses staff etc and then like the two Mary’s a massive pension and for what ? ???Wanton waste , money should be going to help the elderly or special needs children retain their medical cards !

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    Oct 19th 2013, 9:59 PM

    Look if we couldn’t pass a referendum to get rid if the seanad, then it is unlikely we would pass a referendum to get rid of president

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    Oct 20th 2013, 10:15 AM

    Hear hear again, the money it costs to send all them spongers away for what ????? Jobs me arse

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    Oct 19th 2013, 2:02 PM

    He does us proud aboard

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    Oct 19th 2013, 3:43 PM

    will RTE be covering the trip?
    no doubt we will be getting fawning updates, on the daily news.
    after all, – they are they ones that got him elected as President

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    Oct 19th 2013, 1:08 PM

    If he does his hair up in a bun we will see what he is really at.

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    Oct 19th 2013, 1:46 PM

    Long live the San Patricios!!

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    Oct 19th 2013, 8:22 PM

    Yeah support traitors to the country that they signed alliegence to and then deserted…Sounds very Irish alright.

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    Oct 19th 2013, 3:30 PM

    Total waste of money.

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    Oct 19th 2013, 2:23 PM

    Mexico is in north america

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    Oct 19th 2013, 2:35 PM

    Ah, but why

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    Oct 19th 2013, 2:36 PM

    Mexico is in Central America!

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    Oct 19th 2013, 2:40 PM

    nope, its in north america

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    Oct 19th 2013, 2:42 PM
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    Oct 19th 2013, 3:14 PM

    Ok, you’re right. Mexico is in North America geographically. But Central America is a political/cultural region. It’s also where Mexico is. what you’re saying is the equivalent of ‘Iraq is not in the Middle East, it’s in Asia.’

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    Oct 19th 2013, 3:32 PM

    Nafta (North American free trade agreement) puts Mexico in North America.

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    Oct 19th 2013, 3:33 PM

    Iraq is clearly in the Middle East. Go find yourself a map!!!

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    Oct 20th 2013, 12:42 PM

    Mexico is north America. Not central America. Ask a Mexican

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    Oct 19th 2013, 1:10 PM

    Will they never learn?

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    Oct 19th 2013, 1:42 PM

    Is he gone via the government jet? If not, is he flying first or business class? How many is there in his entourage? Where is he staying? In the Irish embassies or in 5 star hotels? Does the purpose outweigh the cost? What is the cost financially? What benefit will the trip bring to Ireland? I need answers people!!! lol

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    Oct 19th 2013, 1:59 PM

    Declan
    This isn’t a Government Information Bureau. Until you discover the true purpose of the Journal maybe you should stop posting.

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    Oct 19th 2013, 2:11 PM

    Poor little dickie. Rodgers

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    Oct 19th 2013, 4:06 PM

    @Declan You’re right to ask these questions. I lost all respect for Michael D Higgins this week when his Office was given an extra €225 thousand. Im sure the DOF didnt just offer him this money. He must have asked for this increase to his budget. Indeed its an absolute disgrace that his budget was increased as was that of Enda Kennys to the tune of €300 thousand to pay for more staff!

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    Oct 19th 2013, 5:24 PM

    Richies an employee yevonne…..can ya see where the money’s being spent.
    *Waves at all the shills and ministers reading*

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    Oct 19th 2013, 1:54 PM

    So long as he doesn’t disguise it in 50 packs of soup.

    Its not likely to work.

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    Oct 19th 2013, 1:44 PM

    Drug mule

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    Oct 19th 2013, 6:43 PM

    Why is president yoda over there in the first place..Ireland does not need a president ffs!

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    Oct 19th 2013, 8:16 PM

    A waste of taxpayers money!

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    Oct 19th 2013, 4:10 PM

    He’ll be going loco down in Acapulco if he stays too long.

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    Oct 19th 2013, 3:36 PM

    Enrique pena nieto,this article spelt the name wrong for our Mexican friends

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    Oct 19th 2013, 11:04 PM

    Who gives a shit.

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