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The number of young girls receiving the HPV vaccine is slowly rising but doctors are still worried

Medics claimed “misinformation and fake news is causing fear among young people and parents”.

THE FALLING NUMBER of young girls receiving the HPV vaccine has steadied much to the HSE’s relief but the World Health Organisation (WHO) is still very concerned about Ireland’s attitude to the medicine.

Late last week, it emerged that provisional figures showed a marginal increase in the uptake of the HPV vaccine among teenage girls in Cork and Kerry rising to 50% from 40% last year.

Dr Ann Hogan, President of the Irish Medical Organisation (IMO), welcomed the figures and said while these numbers are encouraging, it is not a time to become complacent about the seriousness of the situation with regard to HPV vaccination uptake.

Doctors say the HPV vaccine guards against the development of cervical cancer.

Hogan said: “This is not a signal to relax our efforts in this area, we need to keep the pressure up to provide accurate information to parents and young people about the merits of vaccination for HPV.

Misinformation and fake news is causing fear among young people and parents which is contributing to the decline in vaccinations and putting the future of young women at risk of cervical cancer and other ailments.

“We are a long way away from achieving the uptake we need for a successful vaccinations programme. The next vaccination phase in our schools will be September so it is incumbent on clinicians and everyone involved to get the message out there between now and September that the HPV vaccination saves lives.”

Robb Butler, Head of Vaccine Preventable Diseases and Immunisation at WHO/Europe, expressed concern at the steep decline in the rates noting that “it is particularly alarming given Ireland boasted the world’s most successful HPV vaccination programmes globally, just a few years ago”.

“We in the WHO stand with the many health bodies and agencies in Ireland in their ongoing efforts to see this worrisome trend reversed and the campaign of misinformation ceased.

The victims of the decisions made today will be those whose families are affected by cervical cancer that could have been prevented. We applaud the substantial work done to date by the HSE and Dept of Health who are investing time and effort to encourage and help parents understand the real facts and make an informed choice.

Also in attendance at the weekend’s conference was Dr Kevin Pollock, Senior Epidemiologist from Health Protection Scotland, who shared their most recent research which showed  a 90% decrease in HPV infections in Scotland because they have consistently achieved HPV vaccine uptake of over 85% since it was introduced in 2008.

“The two HPV types we were vaccinating against – HPV 16 and HPV 18 – cause about 70% to 80% of cervical cancers within Scotland but the vaccine has exceeded our expectations because it appears to have knocked out another three high-risk HPV types which cause about 10% of cervical cancers.

“So we do forecast within the next few years a 90% reduction in cervical cancer within Scotland.”

Over 200,000 girls in Ireland have safely received the HPV vaccine, along with 100 million people worldwide in countries like the United States, Canada, Australia and New Zealand.

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    Mute Barry C Mc Govern
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    May 22nd 2017, 10:37 AM

    Shocking that parents are believing fake Facebook posts & not the medical profession with scientific statistics.

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    May 22nd 2017, 10:44 AM

    @Barry C Mc Govern: for some reason this one really gained traction. I’ve seen people I thought were sensible buying into it.

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    May 22nd 2017, 12:21 PM

    @Barry C Mc Govern: I’ll admit I was put off it initially when I heard the first story years ago of a teenager falling seriously ill after getting this vaccine, despite my being a very fact based person. At the time it just seemed best not to risk it and stick with the free cervical cancer screenings instead. What made me realise I was wrong was when I read a report saying yes people are developing this condition after getting gardasil, but not at a rate higher than the rest of the population.
    (I’m saying ‘falling ill’ here because I can’t remember right now what the condition the girl developed was called)

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    May 22nd 2017, 10:47 AM

    I got the vaccine two years ago aged 18. Was recently told by my doctor after a series of smear tests and biopsies that I’m lucky I had as it stopped my irregular cells from developing any further and becoming cancerous. I’ll have to worry about this for the rest of my life. Do NOT take the risk with your daughter’s lives.

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    May 22nd 2017, 11:13 AM

    @Nicole: now yours is a story that should be heard, great that you shared that, thank you.

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    May 22nd 2017, 11:39 AM

    @Paul Fahey: Thanks Paul, I always try to comment on these articles because it’s important for people to hear the facts from someone who actually has been affected by this.

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    May 22nd 2017, 1:24 PM

    @Nicole: I hope it continues to work for you for a long time to come. We need to hear more from women like you and less from the tinfoil “big farmaaaaa” brigade

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    May 22nd 2017, 2:05 PM

    @DaisyChainsaw: Thanks Daisy. It just goes to show the willful ignorance of the people contesting the vaccine when confronted with the fact it protected me, they can’t even come up with a reply.

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    May 22nd 2017, 2:41 PM

    @Nicole: your fact based comment may end up saving a life or lives or avoiding the aggressiveness of chemotherapy treatment for some victims.

    You do an immense public service for young girls and women. Respect and thanks.

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    May 22nd 2017, 2:51 PM

    @Tony Daly: Thanks Tony, hopefully someone who needs to see this will.

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    May 22nd 2017, 10:44 AM

    I will definitely not be giving the HPV watched that documentary on TV3 those girls were healthy, high achieving in sport and academia before getting the vaccine.

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    May 22nd 2017, 10:51 AM

    @Karen Ryan: So you’re going to ignore the 100 million people who have had no issues?

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    May 22nd 2017, 10:57 AM

    @Karen Ryan: So you trust TV3 more than the WHO for medical research and advice?

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    May 22nd 2017, 10:59 AM

    @Karen Ryan:

    Well Karen, in my opinion that makes you a bad mother. End of.

    Here’s why -

    1) This vaccine could save 100 lives a year.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/hpv-vaccine-could-prevent-up-to-100-deaths-a-year-report-says-1.3070213

    2) This vaccine is safe

    http://www.who.int/vaccine_safety/committee/topics/hpv/en/

    These are the facts.

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    May 22nd 2017, 11:03 AM

    @The Bob: Of course, because that’s what antivaxxtards do. They seek out the cranks and avoid the science.

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    May 22nd 2017, 11:16 AM

    @Brinster: Wow, who made you God, calling someone a bad mother for thinking independently, thinking of their families health, looking at the evidence of over 200 Irish girls that have been destroyed by this , families whose lives have been turned upside down by false promises from these medical experts. In fact ,these experts can’t even acknowledge any problems , just use misleading statistics to push their drug, because the statistics coming out of Ireland are total lies if any problems are ignored

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    May 22nd 2017, 11:26 AM

    @Karen Ryan: shame on you and your ridiculous dangerous opinion putting other kids and amazingly your own in danger sadly common sense is not very common.

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    May 22nd 2017, 11:27 AM

    the journal please bring back the red thumb so comments like this get no traction whatsoever

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    May 22nd 2017, 11:35 AM

    @Cathal Flood: thats the problem shes not thinking about her familys health shes taking an unnecessary risk with herckids life beacuse some crank on tv3 told her and sadly this person has the right to make this ridiculous stupid ignorant decision.

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    May 22nd 2017, 11:39 AM

    @Brinster: you have have no right to call a mother a bad mother.brinster how many here on this site work for big pharma.

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    May 22nd 2017, 11:49 AM

    @Karen Ryan: fg and big pharma came out and said lately that cannabis had no medical value at all,how wrong they are now medical cannabis treats epilepsy.the WHO blocked rick simson when he even provided proof that medical cannabis can help or even cure cancer. cancer and vaccines are big business make no mistake.but for brinster to come on here to call a mother a bad mother is proper fg right wing tripe.fg have a very bad history of looking after this countrys children aka vera twomey

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    May 22nd 2017, 11:54 AM

    @Bobby Phelan: “Big Pharma” has nothing to do with this – the stats speak for themselves. If the stats are untrue then an enormous conspiracy involving a huge number of doctors and researchers across a large number of different sites and organisations would be required, with no leaks, nobody getting a pang of conscience anywhere along the way. Does that sound like a feasible scenario?

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    May 22nd 2017, 11:59 AM

    @Bobby Phelan: your paranoia about “big pharma” maybe being caused by smoking too much weed?

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    May 22nd 2017, 12:01 PM

    @Karen Ryan: Stick you your guns! Fair play. Brave decision.

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    May 22nd 2017, 12:10 PM

    @John Tierney:
    It’s a brave decision alright – let’s just hope none of her daughters die from a perfectly preventable cancer, as it would be hard to ever get over the guilt if that happened.

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    May 22nd 2017, 12:16 PM

    @dead right: so still ignoring the 200 families, it may only 0.1 % but if only select the figures you want , then you have flawed statistics. . But go on, shur the medical professionals have never made mistakes, never pushed a flawed treatment, never covered up mistakes, never been bought by big pharma,
    If there was an acknowledgment of issues, as there is, then the conversation can start, but ignoring the 200 only detracts from any push increased numbers taking part

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    May 22nd 2017, 12:19 PM

    @Karen Ryan: The percentage of “issues” with the vaccination is the exact same percentage rate they would expect to get from the placebo in the trials. Believe what you want to believe but I suggest you read all the medical data. Young girls lives are at risk without the vaccine. It’s a personal choice in the the end.

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    May 22nd 2017, 12:35 PM

    @Brinster: how dare you call any woman a bad mother…the goddamn cheek of you…this lady is in her rights to make a decision for her own child…gas the amount of negative comments towards karen coming from men….your preaching like the WHO is god & they have never lied about studies or data….regarding the vaccine I dont have an opinion as I dont have a daughter…but I do have an opinion regarding insulting a mother…shame on you..keyboard warrior!

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    May 22nd 2017, 12:39 PM

    @Pseud O’Nym: If you stop and think about it for a moment, it doesn’t need to be such a massive conspiracy.
    The pharmaceutical companies (many of whom have records littered with charges of clinical fraud, corporate malfeasence etc.) create the vaccines, they insist that they’re safe (often in spite of significant mounting anecdotal evidence to indicate otherwise) and cite questionable research from corrupt regulatory overseeing bodies (e.g. CDC) with vested interests (the CDC holds the patents for hundreds of vaccines) to back up their claims. The WHO and more or less everybody else in the medical community take their recommendations regarding immunisation from the CDC.
    For the VAST majority of doctors administering vaccine shots, I suspect that that is the full extent of their knowledge about the efficacy and safety of the vaccines, that their knowledge of the contents of the shots (and the potential dangers associated with certain ingredients) is minimal.
    I would also reckon that there are many doctors with reservations about vaccinations who, due to the likelihood of their reputation and career being destroyed by the medical mafia witch hunt sure to ensue, choose to remain silent. Even so, more and more doctors are publicly stating their concerns..

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    May 22nd 2017, 12:43 PM

    @Brinster: you know nothing about me to judge whether I am a bad mother or not . because I am against vaccines, remember the vaccines kids were given against swine flu ? and some kids developed narcolepsy what did the HSE? offer medical cards. not all kids will develop conditions as a result of the vaccine i get that but on the other hand this vaccine will not cover you against cervical cancer either. you think it was a coincidence that those girls who were given that vaccine on the day suddenly developed severe fatigue , one father said when he got to the school he didn’t even recognise his own daughter , have you ever studied the legislation that protects these big pharma companies , lobby groups working on their behalf , the state does not protect people when it comes to the BIG PHARMA

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/health/state-fights-claims-by-children-with-narcolepsy-after-swine-flu-jab-34769146.html

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    May 22nd 2017, 12:44 PM

    @The Bob: @Brinster: remember the vaccines kids were given against swine flu ? and some kids developed narcolepsy what did the HSE? offer medical cards. not all kids will develop conditions as a result of the vaccine i get that but on the other hand this vaccine will not cover you against cervical cancer either. you think it was a coincidence that those girls who were given that vaccine on the day suddenly developed severe fatigue , one father said when he got to the school he didn’t even recognise his own daughter , have you ever studied the legislation that protects these big pharma companies , lobby groups working on their behalf , the state does not protect people when it comes to the BIG PHARMA.

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/health/state-fights-claims-by-children-with-narcolepsy-after-swine-flu-jab-34769146.html

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    May 22nd 2017, 12:54 PM

    @Daffy the Bear: “insist they are safe (in spite of mounting anecdotal evidence)”

    Ah yes, ‘he said she said’ is always the best way to do science.

    Do you know what a clinical trial is? Did you even bother looking at the HPV clinical trial data?

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    May 22nd 2017, 1:09 PM

    @Nicole: so you think i should play roulette with my daughters lives 100 million ? what does that mean exactly what about the girls who have lost their will to live, are you going to disregard the side effects

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    May 22nd 2017, 1:11 PM

    @dead right: NO. shame on you for not doing any research instead you listen to the HSE and WHO organisation full of puppets working on behalf of the BIG PHARMA and thats a fact

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    May 22nd 2017, 1:12 PM

    @Cathal Flood: 200 families who’s kid has a problem around the time of the vaccine and instead of rational thought and a consultation with a trained medical professional immediately blames the vaccine and goes on Facebook to spread absolute nonsense to like minded morons.

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    May 22nd 2017, 1:13 PM

    @Karen Ryan: “it’s a fact because I say so” doesn’t cut it. Show evidence of malpractice/’collusion’ and we’ll talk, otherwise you’re just ranting.

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    May 22nd 2017, 1:17 PM

    @Karen Ryan: you are, by not allowing her to access a life saving vaccine. I’m disregarding ‘side effects’ that aren’t proven and counting my blessings that I got the vaccine which stopped my cells from becoming cancerous.

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    May 22nd 2017, 1:23 PM

    @dead right: if vaccines were safe why do the pharma companies need protection ?

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/22/AR2011022206008.html

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    May 22nd 2017, 1:27 PM

    @Karen Ryan: Do you have house insurance? Your house is safe right? No possibility that it could burn down, or get a broken pipe, or get broken into?

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    May 22nd 2017, 1:28 PM

    @Karen Ryan:

    The truth hurts Karen. The fact that HPV vaccination rates fell away needs to be countered with facts. And fact Number 1 is – If you are an anti-vaxxer, you are a bad parent.

    Vaccines are probably humanity’s greatest achievement.

    Have they always been perfect? No.

    Have they saved literally millions of lives, saved hundreds of millions from the effects of devastating illnesses, improved conditions for people all over the globe and been overwhelmingly positive for our species? Yes.

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    May 22nd 2017, 1:30 PM

    @Karen Ryan:

    “if vaccines were safe why do the pharma companies need protection ?”

    If cars are safe, why do car companies need protection?

    Or do you think we should ban cars too?

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    May 22nd 2017, 1:35 PM

    @Avina Laaf: and lets hope for your sake John if you have or will have a daughter and give her that vaccine that you will not watch as she develops chronic fatigue and severe pain.

    https://healthcareinamerica.us/japanese-watchdog-group-indicts-hpv-gardasil-vaccine-media-silent-96f0d1a40343

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    May 22nd 2017, 1:40 PM
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    May 22nd 2017, 1:49 PM

    @Malachi: as I’m sure you’re well aware, Pharma giants’ histories are peppered with massive legal settlements and fines for falsifying clinical data, promoting drugs for unapproved applications etc leading directly to the deaths of thousands of patients. I know it’s only Wikipedia; a good example of this nevertheless:

    “On September 30, 2004, Merck withdrew rofecoxib from the market because of concerns about increased risk of heart attack and stroke associated with long-term, high-dosage use. Merck withdrew the drug after disclosures that it withheld information about rofecoxib’s risks from doctors and patients for over five years, resulting in between 88,000 and 140,000 cases of serious heart disease.[2] Rofecoxib was one of the most widely used drugs ever to be withdrawn from the market. In the year before withdrawal, Merck had sales revenue of US$2.5 billion from Vioxx.[3] Merck reserved $970 million to pay for its Vioxx-related legal expenses through 2007, and has set aside $4.85bn for legal claims from US citizens.”

    You really think if they’ll lie and obfuscate in relation to the dangers of an anti-inflammatory drug, to the detriment of patient health, purely to turn a massive profit, they wouldn’t do the same with vaccines?? When it comes to presenting an argument for this vaccine, I really think your willingness to disregard the first-hand testimony of those suffering the devastating effects and your blind faith in the ethics of the pharma giants just doesn’t cut it..

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    May 22nd 2017, 1:52 PM

    @Brinster: Stupid comparison. Car companies do not have blanket immunity from prosecution; pharmaceutical companies do (in the case of vaccine injury)..

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    May 22nd 2017, 2:11 PM

    @Karen Ryan: take whatever side you like on the vaccine issue, but those websites you point to are hardly authoritative medical resources. Healthcare in America.com, for example, lists among its writers people whose profiles say ‘journalist and seeker of hot dogs’ and ‘crazy old fool’. Personally, I wouldn’t be basing decisions about my child’s future health and wellbeing on the writings of people like that.

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    May 22nd 2017, 2:42 PM

    @Karen Ryan: and your refusal to be vaccination will contribute to undermining herd immunity. Others will pay the price.

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    May 22nd 2017, 3:06 PM

    @Karen Ryan: Awww… Karen… please…. That’ “Lead Developer” link is an article from 2016, from quotes that were debunked in 2013….

    Speaking as a child who couldn’t get the MMR because of an allergy I had as a baby, who then contracted measles (I recovered, barely). Please don’t voluntarily put yourself in the position my parents found themselves in. I can’t imagine how scary it was watching their child fall so sick.

    Vaccinations perform a hugely important role in protecting the herd. Some other parents decision not to vaccinate their child facilitated me nearly dying. I hope your daughters don’t die to cancer in their 20s, nobody wants that. Talking about numbers, your daughters are joining a small group of a few thousand girls and in ten years time or so, 100-200 of them are expected to die from a preventable cancer. When that time comes, none of these commenters challenging you will feel any better or validated, but we will pity you for the circumstance that may befall you. But hey, don’t believe us, we’re just strangers on the internet.

    Talk to your doctor. Please.

    And stop believing one group of strangers on the internet over others!

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    May 22nd 2017, 3:11 PM

    @Karen Ryan: sorry karen but could you reference an article from a proper independent medical journal such as the lancet, British journal of medicine or the New England journal of medicine.

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    May 22nd 2017, 3:11 PM

    @Ciaran Ó Fallúin: Ugh!!! I’m an idiot!!!!

    Karen is a troll.

    Check her twitter feed and comment history. She’s a Pizzagate/Podesta level toxic commenter.

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    May 22nd 2017, 4:11 PM

    @Karen Ryan: research sweet jesus woman you said you made a decision after watching tv3 ffs yes shame on you for putting a child who you unfortunately are in a position to make ill.

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    May 22nd 2017, 4:15 PM

    @Karen Ryan: big pharma grow up ffs take your tin hat off and protect your child.

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    May 22nd 2017, 4:56 PM

    @DaisyChainsaw: so you want to compare house insurance to young girls lives, have you any brain cells that function. what has a house burning or in need of repair got to do with a vaccine that does cause serious side effects in some girls, do you really believe that the HSE and big pharma have the needs of people at heart . really ?? if you do then you are truly dim. look at the nineties Hep C scandal and how the state treated those people Michael Noonan was a disgrace at the time in how he handled it , what happened to the Company who supplied the contaminated blood that ultimately caused the deaths of many Irish people , any other citizen that would cause the death of someone would be charged with a crime and yet to my knowledge we have never seen a prosecution, or look at families that will tell you that their child has received MMR ended with was an alert baby turned into a zombie soon after receiving the vaccine. look at the swine flu vaccine again some children were diagnosed with narcolepsy and now you have the state trying to block the families from suing the Pharma companies

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    May 22nd 2017, 5:03 PM

    @Jumperoo: nor would I be trusting the HSE or WHO , they are full of puppets acting on behalf of the Pharma companies , it is a multi billion industry and they have full protection why would any government support such a move because they are bought and paid for

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    May 22nd 2017, 5:08 PM

    @Maria: you mean the ones who are sponsored by pharma

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    May 22nd 2017, 6:06 PM

    @Brinster: Vaccination is and should be a choice open to parents for their children. There have already been too many tragic outcomes from this vaccine ruining young girl’s lives to not call a halt to this obscene practice. Big pharma runs modern medicine globally. Media hype and scare-mongering are all we are getting. How dare you JUDGE a woman as mother based on your own beliefs, however erroneous. Did women live pre-Gardasil? The WHO……is not our omniscient ruler.

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    May 22nd 2017, 6:22 PM

    @Karen Ryan: But you’ll play roulette with cancer?

    300 Women are diagnosed with cancer each year in Ireland.

    6,500 are treated for pre cancerous cells, meaning constant monitoring, cervical checks to make sure they do not develop cancer.

    90 women die each year from this disease.

    Many survive, but let me tell you this, as a cervical cancer survivor, I would absolutely agree to my daughter (if I had one), being vaccinated – I would take that “risk”, because the other risk is just so not worth it.

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    May 22nd 2017, 6:26 PM

    @Mick Curtin: You people are so fcking stupid it’s causing me actual pain. The lack of scientific understanding in general and in thejournal comments causes me soul harrowing despair. Scientists shouldn’t have to argue your stupid points. Like I have so much to say about the stupid shite you post that it’s like I can’t get them out fast enough. Certainly not faster than I can type.

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    May 22nd 2017, 8:53 PM

    @Linda Nolan: Linda that would be your choice remember we all make our own choices this vaccine is not a blanket guarantee either there are many cancers how about more regular is screening offered or is that to expensive for them to offer

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    May 22nd 2017, 9:19 PM

    @Karen Ryan: But you’re not making your own choice – you are making a choice for your daughter.

    Please also don’t confuse and mistake the HPV for a replacement for screening, it isn’t, screening will always be part of the solution.

    There are many cancers, but we have a vaccine that has been proven to work in many studies and reduced the incidents of Cervical Cancer drastically.

    This isn’t a choice about you, it’s about your daughters future and I know and have met many women who have to undergo regular screening and procedures to get rid of recurring cells and the constant worry that they have and it’s the same for me, I have to go for regular checks and always have to live with that worry.

    I wouldn’t wish that on anyone.

    All vaccines and medications have side effects, that is the truth, but the benefits far outweigh those risks so I simply cannot understand why anyone would put more weight onto that risk, then on cancer – sorry, but I can’t.

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    May 22nd 2017, 9:51 PM
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    May 22nd 2017, 10:55 AM

    Some uninformed crank on the internet says something and the sheep flock to them agreeing with everything. Doctors, chemists etc say something that not only disagrees, but disproves the uninformed and the same cranks and sheep scream “BIG PHARMA CONSPIRACY”.

    At least with this vaccine, it’s only your own child who could die rather than infecting others. Can I get a vaccination against idiots on the internet?

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    May 22nd 2017, 11:19 AM

    @DaisyChainsaw: unfortunately though Daisy HPV is passed from person to person so not vaccinating could effect other people. They’re talking about introducing the vaccine to boys soon to prevent transmissions.

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    May 22nd 2017, 12:01 PM

    @Kate Meleady: Yep, you need to get to a certain level of vaccinations to achieve “herd immunity” where the small non-immune minority are effectively protected by the immune majority. If you slip below that level (as happened in parts of the UK and US due to Wakefield etc.) then you get into a situation where outbreaks of e.g. mumps and measles occur and kill people.

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    May 22nd 2017, 5:56 PM

    @Kate Meleady: You can get HPV by having vaginal, anal, or oral sex with someone who has the virus. the way you put it it’s like someone can get it looking at someone

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    May 22nd 2017, 6:08 PM

    @DaisyChainsaw: SEEK PROFESSIONAL HELP IMMEDIATELY; IF NOT THEN SELF-VACCINATE…..IMMEDIATELY.

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    May 22nd 2017, 7:09 PM

    @Pseud O’Nym: That/d be quite false what you stated there. Bull, even. Enjoy the farm!

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    May 22nd 2017, 11:05 PM

    @DaisyChainsaw: yeah, they’re the sheep alright..

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    May 22nd 2017, 10:52 AM

    Vaccines = autism FACT

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    May 22nd 2017, 10:54 AM

    Care to show us these facts?

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    May 22nd 2017, 10:56 AM

    @Steve: what facts are those???

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    May 22nd 2017, 10:57 AM

    @Steve: What vaccine caused your stupidity? Have you tried a homeopathic cure?

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    May 22nd 2017, 10:57 AM

    You = idiot FACT

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    May 22nd 2017, 11:03 AM

    @Darren Bates: look up the study by Dr Andrew Wakefield and educate yourself. I shouldn’t even dignify your comment with a response as everyone on the journal at this time of day is a dole merchant.

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    May 22nd 2017, 11:05 AM

    @Steve: Weak troll is weak.

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    May 22nd 2017, 11:11 AM

    @Steve: Dr Wakefield? You need to go back and look again before telling anyone else to research, the guy is a disgrace.
    P.s I work night’s.

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    May 22nd 2017, 11:13 AM

    @Steve: Wakefield was proven to be fraudulent. Try installing Google chrome for grown ups next time

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    May 22nd 2017, 11:16 AM

    @Steve: i read Dr wakefields and his teams study.My conclusion was that they were seeing the relaionship between the gut and autism behaviours and they were seeing the effects of vsccines interfering with the normal gut funchion but that he made a big leap to stating that the vaccined caused autism. I believe if he was not so hasty he woukd not now be an outcast. It is interesting that the work he started is still being done, in other words credible stuff.

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    May 22nd 2017, 11:16 AM

    @Steve: BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Wakefield?!!! BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Yeah your research is exemplary there Steve, mentioning a doctor who lost his medical licence because of charlatanism that idiots like you believe… you’re a fool, and if you’re a parent you’re an irresponsible fool.

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    May 22nd 2017, 11:17 AM

    @Steve:

    Are you a troll or just stupid?

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    May 22nd 2017, 11:20 AM

    @Steve: Dr Andrew Wakefield has been discredited, and his “study” has been withdrawn by the Lancet. He himself has come clean and admitted he falsified his studies. Why did he do this? He was trying to sell his own vaccine to compete with the WHO recommended one! Steve, do some research…………..please!

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    May 22nd 2017, 11:25 AM

    @Steve: wake up people !!!!! Big pharma is poisoning your kids (((They))) have convinced you to injekt your kids with LITERAL life threatening diseses all for profit !!!!

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    May 22nd 2017, 11:30 AM

    @Steve: You’re on here so doesn’t that make you a dole merchant ya tit?

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    May 22nd 2017, 11:30 AM

    @Steve: I suspect you think you are being funny. Sadly you are adding to the problem. Either you are an idiot and believe the snake oil you are peddling, or you are an idiot trying and failing to be ironic.

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    May 22nd 2017, 11:37 AM

    @Steve: =idiot Fact

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    May 22nd 2017, 11:38 AM

    @Steve: that the guy who was struck off for being a tit

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    May 22nd 2017, 11:39 AM

    @Nick Allen: absolutely column B

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    May 22nd 2017, 11:39 AM

    @Virtual Donal: Can you explain how a gastroenterologist would be making vaccines ? Because that would be news to me that a gastroenterologist would be making a vaccine to sell it. Pretty sure that is not what they are trained to do.

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    May 22nd 2017, 11:43 AM

    @dead right: it’s actually the guy who’s research threatened (((the narrative))). They conducted a slander campaign and he was forced to disavow his findings after his life and his family’s were threatened.

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    May 22nd 2017, 11:44 AM

    @Colman McGrath: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Wakefield
    Read the section treating with “Financial Conflicts of Interest”

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    May 22nd 2017, 11:51 AM

    @Steve: sadly in a democracy has a vote.

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    May 22nd 2017, 11:55 AM

    @Steve: he was absolutely discredited and struck off for being a dangerous individual hes now reappeared in the states claiming trump shares his views amazing how fools take his word.

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    May 22nd 2017, 11:57 AM

    @Virtual Donal: So you’re claiming a conflict of Interest factually states that Wakefield was working on an alternative vaccine. With no vaccine provided or even any sign of one being created or even that Wakefield had put one together just an absolutely massive jumping to conclusion !!!

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    May 22nd 2017, 12:02 PM

    @Steve: And this is a prime example of the clowns who spew fake news. Why would anybody believe anything posted by obvious trolls?

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    May 22nd 2017, 12:03 PM

    @Colman McGrath: Colman: Wakefield did the study funded by lawyers who were going to sue vaccine manufacturers. Next, he paid children at a birthday party to take their blood samples with no proper study set up. Then he lied on the results. He also registered a patent for an alternative vaccine. If he was a drug company you would shout big pharma. He was even worse.

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    May 22nd 2017, 12:05 PM

    @Missyb211: Wakefield never stated that vaccines caused autism. He stated that he’d found a correlation (not causality) between MMR and problems with gut function that he felt may be realted to autism and required further investigation. His position is not antivax; he is a proponent of vaccinations in monovalent rather than polyvalent shots, administered over a more lengthy schedule.

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    May 22nd 2017, 12:57 PM

    @Steve: You’re unbelievably cringey. Embarrassed for you. Edgy /pol/ lad thinks he’s class with his Pepe avatar and triple brackets. Seriously, go back to that cesspit and take your silly, dangerous nonsense with you.

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    May 22nd 2017, 1:26 PM

    @Steve: Again fake news and not helpful at all

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    May 22nd 2017, 2:43 PM

    @Steve: FALSE.

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    May 22nd 2017, 6:26 PM

    @Peter Hinchliffe: Wakefield has been vindicated.It was a witch hunt conducted by the Pharma/Medi mob. Modern vaccination programs like in the US which has gone off the charts since the 70′s proves how bogus the business truly is. Anyone for an Avian flu jab there? Just in case…You make your choices.

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    May 23rd 2017, 12:06 AM

    @Mick Curtin: Wakefield vindicated? Jesus – you’re clueless. Wakefield’s junk science has been discredited so many times it has become a meme at this stage.

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    May 23rd 2017, 9:15 PM

    @Steve: The person you describe as “Dr” Wakefield was struck off the General Medical Council register in the UK and is not entitled to represent himself as being a medical practitioner. His most infamous “study” was withdrawn by the Lancet as it was found not to meet the evidence standards expected of honest/competent scientists or medics.

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    May 22nd 2017, 11:56 AM

    To all the anti vaccination folks, you’re helping cause unnecessary deaths. Nice one

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    May 22nd 2017, 12:01 PM

    @Matty Kineven: Well you just ignore the recent study done by Danish scientists showing the Dtap vaccine increased mortality by 500% versus non vaccinated. !!! Seems that vaccine caused a lot more unnecessary deaths. Unfortunately not a nice one !!!

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    May 22nd 2017, 12:48 PM
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    May 22nd 2017, 1:37 PM

    @Francis Mc Carthy: http://www.thejournal.ie/robert-de-niro-vaccines-3242529-Feb2017/
    Still nobody stepping up to take the hundred grand up for grabs for providing comprehensive proof that thimerasol in vaccines is safe though; I wonder why? Surely it should be easy for any of the professional medical talking heads (or even the extremely knowledgeable readership of theJournal.ie) to claim the free money by simply proving what everybody already knows, right…?

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    May 22nd 2017, 5:07 PM

    @Daffy the Bear: Just did a wee bit of more research into this “contest” and what I found out was this :

    1) You have to pay a $50 processing fee

    2) You only win if RFK is convinced

    3) If you appeal, you’ll agree to pay $200/hr for an “independent scientific panel composed of distinguished scientists”

    Would be interesting to see the names of the ” distinguished scientists” ..

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    May 22nd 2017, 7:20 PM

    @Francis Mc Carthy: but if you’re so certain… and “the science” confirms the shots are safe, like all the smartest people already know, surely $50 would be cheap at the price for claiming $100,000, no? I would have thought that would be a very shrewd investment for someone to just choose their proof from the abundance scientific evidence that thimerasol is safe, submit it and claim? Seems so obvious… unless, contrary to what pharmaceutical corporations, the media they’ve bought and the medical community they’ve either hoodwinked (or more likely intimidated) say, there really isn’t an abundance of scientific evidence to demonstrate its safety..?

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    May 22nd 2017, 7:31 PM

    @Francis Mc Carthy: Can I assume that you have the proof but just find the rules of the challenge to be disagreeable?

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    May 22nd 2017, 9:01 PM

    @Daffy the Bear: thimerasol is used as a preservative so who does that benefit ? certainly not kids , why we allow mercury to be injected into our kids is really horrifying and everyone does it without any consideration

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    May 22nd 2017, 10:50 PM

    @Matty Kineven: And to all the uninformed obedient citizens 2+2=5

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    May 23rd 2017, 12:04 AM

    @Karen Ryan: Thiomersal is not in any way the same as elemental mercury – stop spreading blatant lies. You should be ashamed of yourself for your basic lack of junior cert chemistry knowledge.

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    May 23rd 2017, 9:38 AM

    @Malachi: never said it was, didn’t go into specifics but if you must then MMR for example : children receiving three vaccines that together contained more mercury than the EPA recommended limit. why are parents not given a choice to administer single shots instead of three. and if all was safe why has the US removed Thiomersal from MMR

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    May 22nd 2017, 11:45 AM

    @deadright the PEOPLE should step in and demand a return to Direct Democracy and let them decide issues such as vaccines.

    Vaccines = PLANNED health disaster and billions for big pharma – remember vaccine companies are indemnified FOR A REASON!

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    May 22nd 2017, 12:58 PM

    @Steve Egan: Right – we’ll go to direct democracy so. See how that works out for anti-vaxxers.

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    May 22nd 2017, 2:05 PM

    @Steve Egan: Planned health dis- wait, what?

    You know the way where millions of people _don’t die anymore_ from diseases like measles and rubella and you never see kids with crutches because of polio, because they’ve been vaccinated?

    If that’s a “planned disaster”, I’ll happily take it over the alternative.

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    May 22nd 2017, 6:33 PM

    @Steve Egan: Agreed but you forgot to mention that Big Brother loves us and cares for us.It’s the mandatory vaccinating happening in the US and Australia that’s coming our way that concerns me…….and the ‘we know best’ brigade trying to impose it.

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    May 22nd 2017, 11:24 AM

    @Steve: Andrew Wakefields study has been discredited by doctors and scientists across the board, it was nothing more than an ableist statement and not something you should be basing arguments on. There is no link/correlation between vaccines and autism, autism develops in the womb. would you really risk your child’s health/ life just because you don’t like disabled people??

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    May 22nd 2017, 11:27 AM

    @h: Why has it been recreated by other doctors/scientists the world over then ?

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    May 22nd 2017, 12:16 PM

    @Colman McGrath: Peer reviewed evidence of these “recreations” please.

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    May 22nd 2017, 12:37 PM

    @h: how dare you call any woman a bad mother…the goddamn cheek of you…this lady is in her rights to make a decision for her own child…gas the amount of negative comments towards karen coming from men….your preaching like the WHO is god & they have never lied about studies or data….regarding the vaccine I dont have an opinion as I dont have a daughter…but I do have an opinion regarding insulting a mother…shame on you..keyboard warrior!

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    May 22nd 2017, 12:40 PM

    @h: last comment not meant for you..autocorrect…it was for brinster…@h re: the Wakefield study….Andrew was the only one sacked because of that report…yet there were 12 other co-authors, they all kept there jobs & the HSE even uses one of tgem for expert opinions on kids on the Autism spectrum…now do you really think that makes sense?

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    May 22nd 2017, 1:29 PM

    @Stephanie Lynch: Has he gotten a patent for his own MMR vaccine yet? That’s what it boils down to. Children are dead because he’s a greedy liar.

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    May 22nd 2017, 11:49 AM

    Vaccines = health disaster and billions for big pharma, why do you think vaccine makers are indemnified?

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    May 22nd 2017, 12:03 PM

    Where’s the ‘my body, my choice’ brigade now?!

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    May 22nd 2017, 12:10 PM

    @John Tierney: Nobody would choose cancer

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    May 23rd 2017, 9:40 AM

    @John Tierney: excellent point John that mantra only comes out when it suits their narrative

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    May 22nd 2017, 11:41 AM

    @deadright the people should step in and demand a return to direct democracy so we can put it to the people to decide.

    Vaccines = health disaster and billions for big pharma

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    May 22nd 2017, 12:04 PM

    @Steve Egan: That’s a great idea Steve, we’ll put everything to a direct vote, after all the general public ARE the health experts, aren’t they? Those doctors will do and say anything for a few free Post-Its from the drug companies.

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    May 22nd 2017, 12:14 PM

    @Steve Egan: christ big pharma

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    May 22nd 2017, 2:06 PM

    Hope this makes people think for themselves and does their homework

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/dec/31/us-court-pays-6-million-gardasil-victims/

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    May 22nd 2017, 11:57 AM

    I’m sorry but if you believe Facebook over highly trained professionals about your child’s care then you are an idiot. It’s that simple.

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    May 22nd 2017, 9:04 PM

    @Deborah Behan: and if you believe big Pharma and governments serve us better then you are a bigger idiot

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    May 22nd 2017, 5:38 PM

    the amount of negativity I have received here today for expressing my views is frightening really, insulted, called a bad mother told i hope your child doesn’t die. how about we have a debate that has balance when it comes to vaccines . how about the HSE have a detailed leaflet on the pros and cons of any vaccine. its their refusal in not providing me with any is the reason I refuse to take part , the spokesperson for the National Immunisation has said on TV that there is no link to the vaccine and the symptoms that those girls subsequently experience daily , that is simply a lie he stated the vaccine is safe that is a lie there are families out there who will tell you different and if they could turn back the clock they would not have gotten it. why has their been big payouts to families if there was not link, I have not insulted anyone here today for their beliefs and to be honest i find it hard that people will not question the risks of vaccines. have vaccines saved lives answer is yes, but it does come with side effects too and until the HSE are fully honest with me I will not take part , when my youngest was 2 1/2 the HSE sent me several letters asking to vaccinate I refused one day I got a call from them I said If you send me a letter on headed paper from the manger guaranteeing my daughter will not develop autism or IBS I will. she never called back and I never received a letter.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/dec/31/us-court-pays-6-million-gardasil-victims/

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    May 22nd 2017, 5:52 PM

    @Karen Ryan: Nicely put. My wife was asked to sign a waiver for the MMR she said she was not happy to sign the waiver and the Docs did not pursue any further and my daughter did receive the MMR. My niece when she was a baby got the usual shots that children get including the BCG. The day after she started taking convulsions and has not recovered totally she is now in her 30′s. Vaccines may work with some people but by the same token with others it does not.

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    May 22nd 2017, 5:57 PM

    @Karen Ryan: the father of your child must be off his head if he lets you take a selfish risk with his kids life dreadful behaviour.

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    May 22nd 2017, 6:28 PM

    I don’t know if you’re a bad mother nor do I care but you’re scientifically illiterate which in my book makes you a hindrance on society.

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    May 22nd 2017, 7:08 PM

    @Titus Groan: A tad arrogant toward that lady. History shows science/Pharma are not always right Thalidomide being a good case in point.

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    May 22nd 2017, 7:29 PM

    @Martin McDevitt: Correction my daughter did NOT receive the MMR.

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    May 22nd 2017, 8:07 PM

    @Martin McDevitt: A tad arrogant? I’ll tell you what’s arrogant; having no scientific literacy or qualification but the gumption to perceive yourself as on an intellectual level about science as a scientist. THAT is arrogance.

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    May 22nd 2017, 8:28 PM

    @Titus Groan: MMMMM!!!!!! where did I state that I had any sort of scientific qualification??? All I had done was state facts that are out there for the world to see. If you cannot handle the whole facts me bucko then that wee narrow minded world will consume you.

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    May 22nd 2017, 8:41 PM

    @Martin McDevitt: I’m not talking about you. Clearly I’m referring to the woman you referred to. Such is the dynamic of a reply.

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    Mute Karen Ryan
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    May 22nd 2017, 9:21 PM

    @dead right: How dare you insult my husband, he is a very educated and informed man, we made a joint decision not to allow our children to be vaccinated we will always make the right choices for our children based on research and intelligence. when it comes to our children we will always serve their interests do you really think governments and big pharma do ? if you do then its you who needs an education instead of an indoctrination

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    May 22nd 2017, 9:53 PM
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    May 22nd 2017, 10:07 PM

    @Titus Groan: arrogant . arrogant says the man who does not respect the opinion of another

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    May 22nd 2017, 12:54 PM

    Have the females suffering terrible side effects been tested to find out what happened.i don’t understand why this has not been done,find the cause and eliminate concern of side effects.is it too costly,is money more important.

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    May 22nd 2017, 2:03 PM

    @@mdmak33: Why indeed? Why aren’t parents’ concerns being addressed with anything other than patronising dismissal? Maybe the answer to this question might be: how exactly do you eliminate the concern of side effects if you study the cause of the girls’ suffering and find that it’s directly attributable to side effects?

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    May 22nd 2017, 9:05 PM

    @@mdmak33: good idea but then that would mean admitting culpability

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    May 22nd 2017, 9:06 PM

    @mdmak33: and PS that would me €€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€

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    May 22nd 2017, 12:35 PM
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    May 22nd 2017, 1:01 PM

    @Trevor Beale: Good oul blog science.

    Also known as the “it’s true because it’s on this website” fallacy.

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    May 22nd 2017, 3:55 PM

    As with any vaccine or medicine there can be side effects and it is a small majority that suffer side effects. Taking that into consideration if I had the chance over I would go for vaccine. I have recently been diagnosed and treated for Vulvar Cancer and high risk for Cervical cancer as result of having both strains HPV 16 & 18. I went for regular smears and it was only by chance that the vulvar cancer was picked up as this doesn’t show in smear tests. I now have the additional worry of reoccurrence as with vulvar cancer it is high rare so yes I would take the vaccine any day if it means I didn’t have to go through this.

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    May 22nd 2017, 4:26 PM

    @Deirdre Moroney: why didn’t you get the vaccine?

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    May 22nd 2017, 4:32 PM

    @dead right: wasn’t available to me in the 90s and when I first heard about vaccine I was already in relationship so they wouldn’t give it.

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    May 22nd 2017, 5:55 PM

    @Deirdre Moroney: i hope your alright .

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    May 22nd 2017, 5:57 PM

    @dead right: Thanks :)

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    May 22nd 2017, 5:59 PM

    @Deirdre Moroney: sadly karen just dosent get it maybe correspond with her directly to tell her the risk shes taking with what is her most precious asset but sadly it won’t make any difference beacuse she seen it on tv3

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    May 22nd 2017, 6:07 PM

    @dead right: There are many that are looking at the side effects and tbh I haven’t read so much about side effects, so I just know what I am faced with (I am positive :)) and I know I would have taken the chance with vaccine if I had choice. Also by not getting the vaccine they putting other people’s life’s in their hands not only their children… Perhaps medical teams are not giving enough info about what’s happens if you don’t get the vaccine..

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    May 22nd 2017, 9:52 PM
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    May 22nd 2017, 11:46 AM

    I love vaccines

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    May 22nd 2017, 11:02 AM

    Oh are the poor Doctors worried !!! We must stop that immediately !!! Can’t be having that now can we. F*ck the worried parents. Absolutely ludicrous.

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    May 22nd 2017, 11:15 AM

    @Colman McGrath: and what about those thousands of Doctors who are parents too? Should we ignore their personal and professional knowledge in favour of a few kranks on the internet?

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    May 22nd 2017, 11:30 AM

    @Paul Fahey: What about the 250 Doctors questioning the vaccine schedule in the States. They clearly think there’s a problem Paul. You don’t hear that in the media because unfortunately the Pharmaceutical industry fund the media blind into discussions. We see another article on the Journal about how to cure obesity is now through Surgery. Really. Take you pills, take your chemicals, eat your crap and when you get fat we’ll carry out a procedure on you. Is this 2017. If you think it’s a few kranks on the internet you are clearly uninformed. Clearly.

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    May 22nd 2017, 11:33 AM

    @Paul Fahey: Ps you want to see how a good doctor works and gets results with patients. Watch BBC 1 tonight at 9 o’clock. The whole country could do with watching it.

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    May 22nd 2017, 11:39 AM

    @Colman McGrath: so out of I don’t know how many hundreds of thousands of medical professionals, who you would choose to ignore, you want us to listen unequivocally to the unsupported opinions of a tiny tiny fraction if those. The documentary on BBC1 has absolutely nothing to do with the HPV vaccine, nothing. If you can find a peer reviewed paper dismissing the HOV then I will read it, but a general documentary on British doctors daily day in the NHS will offer me nothing in the subject matter.

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    May 22nd 2017, 11:46 AM

    @Paul Fahey: Paul I will listen to the original doctor who worked on the vaccine and said it did nothing in regards to HPV. She came out and advised the vaccine was a scam. The actual doctor working on the vaccine. So listening to a few indoctrinated employees of an industry that has been shown to clearly bully and intimidate anyone that steps out of line with the system will do little for me. Ps the show tonight I was not referring to in general about this subject matter but the overall situation of how the system you so buy into is clearly flawed and is being found out time and time again. Hence why we have article after article in the Journal about vaccines….surgeries being the cure….more pharma pushed rubbish to brainwash the masses day after day.

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    Mute Nicole
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    May 22nd 2017, 11:48 AM

    @Colman McGrath: Sorry Colman but I’m living proof the vaccine isn’t a scam. It works, it’s as simple as that.

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    May 22nd 2017, 1:59 PM

    @Nicole: the girls suffering the negative consequences of the Gardasil shot might argue that they are living proof of the danger of the vaccine. They might say: “It’s dangerous, it’s as simple as that.”

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    May 22nd 2017, 2:13 PM

    @Daffy the Bear: I never said there wasn’t an element of danger, there is with all medicine. I said it wasn’t a scam. Also the ‘negative consequences’ like fatigue and nausea haven’t resulted in death, unlike cancer.

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    May 22nd 2017, 4:38 PM

    @Nicole: That’s fair enough Nicole. But if there is, as you yourself say and many others believe, an element of danger with these shots, don’t you think it might be better for the medical authorities to acknowledge and address those dangers rather than dismissing parents accounts of what has happened to their children and insisting that the vaccines are perfectly safe? Shouldn’t the public be fully informed of the risks in order to better decide what’s right for them and their families?
    Why should people be browbeaten into vaccinating their children and have their concerns ridiculed and dismissed by doctors who can’t or won’t disclose or discuss the ingredients in the vials or the associated dangers?
    This patronising and bullying attitude does he proponents of vaccination no favours in the campaign to convince the naysayers..

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    May 22nd 2017, 11:23 AM

    the state should step in and make it compulsory no vaccine no attendance in schools to protect kids from the actions of stupid idiotic parents.

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    May 22nd 2017, 11:46 AM

    @dead right: I agree with your comment as far as contagious diseases and viruses but in the case of this vaccine, I don’t. Ovarian cancer is not contagious but I would urge parents to have their daughters get it.

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    May 22nd 2017, 11:53 AM

    @Linda Daly: Ovarian cancer is not contagious but the virus that causes a great number of it is contagious.

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    May 22nd 2017, 11:58 AM

    @Linda Daly: seriously how could a parent take a chance with their daughter contacting a disease.

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    May 22nd 2017, 12:23 PM

    @dead right: I have a 3 yr old daughter and when the time comes she will be getting that vaccination, same as all her other ones she’s had to date. I just don’t agree with the state stepping in to make parents have their daughters get it. It’s a very new vaccine so any stories out there can put fear into people. We all know big pharma are out to make money.

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    May 22nd 2017, 4:22 PM

    @Linda Daly: the state has to step in in situations where stupid people refuse to vaccinate their kids its people’s lifes being determined by morons so the state should protect these kids who are being put at risk by the parents.

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    May 22nd 2017, 4:25 PM

    @Linda Daly: absolutely companies are in business to make a profit but the idea by the crackpots that they would and be allowed to endanger people’s lifes is quite frankly ridiculous.

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    May 22nd 2017, 6:56 PM

    @dead right: Nah, keep your mandatory Fascist rules for your self. 29 dead girls in one year is no laughing matter (unless you’re a fascist). Once upon a time, pre-Gardasi, people lived and continue to do so. Have you taken your avian jab coz things are looking a bit flighty in the loft?

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    May 22nd 2017, 7:44 PM

    Vaccines are NOT medicines, they are NOT going through the same proces to approved …so on the paper after vaccination you are getting rise of antibodies but you dont know if is caused by… bacterias or other shit added to the vaccine…people think vaccine is not an answer.

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    May 23rd 2017, 9:46 AM

    Let’s fight for STDs together, cheer up!

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    May 23rd 2017, 9:37 AM

    Never stop to find for STDs, cheer up.

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    May 22nd 2017, 3:42 PM

    that’s great

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