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Enda Kenny: 'We cannot have children living in fear in urine soaked clothes'

The Taoiseach says he is “not happy” with the latest report on child protection and says he will speak to all involved.

IT’S TUESDAY in Leinster House and everyone is a bit weary from the Fine Gael leadership hustings. Just one week of voting and there’ll be a new leader.

Today the Dáil discussed: 

  • Professor Geoffrey Shannon’s report on child protection
  • The Charleton Commission 

Micheál Martin raises the issue of yesterday’s report on child protection – where the special rapporteur says some children are treated like human trash by the the authorities.

Martin says it was a damning indictment on government that this was happening despite the Children’s Referendum in 2014.

Enda Kenny says he is very upset about this report.

He said the recent RTÉ programme on the issue was “harrowing viewing to say the least”.

He said it showed that some children were left in “unconscionable circumstances” in places where they should “feel most loved, most safe and most valued”.

Martin says Kenny’s response shows “the pathetic nature buck passing”.

The issue here should be about the protection of children – says Kenny.

He says his understanding is that work is well underway in relation to some of the items mentioned in the report.

He says he understands there is an audit on garda child protection resources. Martin asked why the Templemore training gives gardaí no grounding on child protection issues.

Gerry Adams says the RTÉ programme was “scandalous”.

He says some of the recommendations in the report are basic, and should be in place already. He raises the issue of private services operating as foster carers and also the lack of out-of-hours social workers.

Adams says Enda Kenny’s upset “just won’t cut it anymore”.

He wants all 17 recommendations to be implemented immediately. He says it is shocking that lack of training gardaí get in child protection.

“It is the duty of your government to change this reality,” says Adams.

He calls for the Tusla CEO to come before the Children’s Committee and says any attempt by the organisation to undermine Professor Geoffrey Shannon’s report is inexcusable.

Enda Kenny admits that it is a “damning report”.

He says Minister Katherine Zappone and Minister Frances Fitzgerald to discuss the issue.

Kenny says the Garda Commissioner will have to respond to the matter of the lack of garda training in diversity and also the deficiencies in the Pulse system.

Enda Kenny says he understands that there is a plan to introduce a child protection unit in the gardaí.

He says the government plans to implement all the recommendations of the report.

Adams thanks Kenny for his answer – but says there now needs to be action.

We warned you when Tusla was set up that the initiative would fail without the resources, says Adams.

Let’s not be back here next year – “someone else instead of me, someone else instead of you” – dealing with another report, says Adams.

 

I will see that this is initiated, Kenny promises.

He says he wants to see that Tusla is enabled to do its job.

“This is a protection about children, not about the protection of jobs or structures.”

I don’t doubt your sincerity, says Labour’s Brendan Howlin.

“It is beyond shocking.”

He references a number of the cases featured in the report – some involving cases of children wandering the streets while the parents are out drinking.

Howlin asks for the Taoiseach to commit to a 24-hour service and for all gardaí to get re-trained, and he wants a timeline.

“I am not happy about the situation that has arisen here,” says Kenny. He says there are clearly questions to be answered as to what has happened to public money and public staff here and why this was allowed happen.

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This is not about zero accountability, says Kenny.

The Taoiseach says Tusla must answer serious questions and he plans to meet all involved.

He says he remembers the day he launched Tusla over in Dublin Castle. Kenny says this report points out “serious inadequacies here and I intend to deal with them”.

He says the culture here has been on of defence when it should be about the protection of children,

You can’t have children living in fear in urine soaked clothes.

There is nothing more important than this.

I am not happy about this.

Mick Barry is talking now about claims that Garda Commissioner Noírín O’Sullivan’s phone has gone missing and can’t be provided to the Charleton Commission.

Taylor’s phone has not been given over either, Barry tells the chamber.

Barry tells that Dáil that Noírín O’Sullivan’s husband confiscated Taylor’s phone upon his arrest.

“And O’Sullivan can’t find her phone,” says Barry.

“Was this phone reported missing?” He asks.

“I don’t know if that is a true statement or not but I expect Judge Charleton will find out the truth about that,” Enda Kenny says.

Barry says perhaps Kenny should ask the Garda Commissioner about the phone himself.

Enda Kenny says public hearings of the commission will be held in July and that is where the truth will come to light.

That’s it for Leaders’ Questions. Join us back here tomorrow.

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    Mute Elma Phudd
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    May 30th 2017, 2:19 PM

    Until they address the fact that senior management in Tusla are more interested in protecting their reputation and vested interests than the interests of our children, nothing will change. What they say and what they do are two different things.

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    Mute Bryan Kennedy
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    May 30th 2017, 4:52 PM

    I8i9iīuiii

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    Mute Peter McGlynn
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    May 30th 2017, 8:51 PM

    @Elma Phudd: I wonder where they get their inspiration from?

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    Mute William Clay
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    May 30th 2017, 2:17 PM

    ‘enda told State is not protecting Ireland’s most vulnerable children’
    Enda doesn’t care.

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    Mute Theunpopularpopulist
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    May 30th 2017, 3:28 PM

    @William Clay: to be fair is it not the parents who neglect their children’s fault more so than the state?

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    Mute William Clay
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    May 30th 2017, 4:47 PM

    @Theunpopularpopulist: absolutely it is the parents fault. My point was Edna kenny doesn’t care

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    Mute lavbeer
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    May 30th 2017, 8:38 PM

    @William Clay: and what does your point suggest we do?

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    Mute SteveW
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    May 30th 2017, 3:29 PM

    Unbelievable. This coming from a man who most probably contributed to a lot kids ending up in those conditions.

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    Mute Anne Marie Devlin
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    May 30th 2017, 3:34 PM

    We cannot have children living like that? Enda, we have had an unprecedented increase in children living in horrendous circumstances since you took office!

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    Mute @mdmak33
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    May 30th 2017, 3:09 PM

    All under fg labour government watch enda.so much for recovery.the lie is being exposed on a daily basis.

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    Mute lavbeer
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    May 30th 2017, 8:39 PM

    @@mdmak33: bring back the laundries or should we we move toward accountability?

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    Mute eileen boles
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    May 30th 2017, 3:16 PM

    The fact that Tusla does not give feedback to Gardai is unforgivable plus the fact that there is no proper social worker service outside of 9 to 5. Why wasnt child abuse a priority for Kenny at the start of his office?

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    Mute FlyB
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    May 30th 2017, 2:27 PM

    The report is absolutely full of Tusla failings and is in general very positive about Garda actions. The only issue is more Garda training required whilst Tusla requires complete overhaul on these issues. Now listening to Gerry I doubt he’s even read the report and of course typically the Shinners just want to have a kick at the Gardai. They just can’t help themselves.

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    Mute Rob Mills
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    May 30th 2017, 3:22 PM

    Where has Enda been for the last decade? Does he not recollect he’s eve with the homeless.

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    Mute Darren Bates
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    May 30th 2017, 2:38 PM

    *acting Taoiseach

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    Mute Fergus Sheahan
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    May 30th 2017, 3:47 PM

    These children’s parents are monsters, why is it the governments fault for everything? blame the parents first, no matter who is in Government there’ll always be rat like like parents and if SF, AAA, FF or the balloon knot party got into power this won’t ever change…but it’s always someone else fault in our entitled society…

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    Mute DubKid
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    May 30th 2017, 2:57 PM

    Says the man who’s being pissing on them for years #Hypocrite

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    Mute Theunpopularpopulist
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    May 30th 2017, 3:29 PM

    @DubKid: pretty sure it’s their actual parents who are committing the abuse. Maybe try blaming them first and foremost.

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    Mute Paul Coughlan
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    May 30th 2017, 4:41 PM

    Dear Enda. You have done nothing on child welfare during you’re terms in charge. Words and waffle. Waffle and words.

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    Mute eileen boles
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    May 30th 2017, 3:20 PM

    Its a disgrace also that there is no police training in child protection. How many reports would you have to get to make you not forget that child abuse does happen in Ireland

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    Mute pat seery
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    May 30th 2017, 4:23 PM

    The book stops with Boss (ENDA )
    What did you do about it if it were not for Prime Time we would know nothing

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    Mute bings
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    May 30th 2017, 6:59 PM

    How about Enda and the rest of them giving back their golden handshake so that money can be used to take the people responsible to court so they can answer why they left children in dangerous conditions.

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    Mute Tony Daly
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    May 30th 2017, 6:22 PM

    Without access to the phones, the Charleton Tribunal is utterly pointless.

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    Mute iMoan Brutal
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    May 30th 2017, 7:13 PM

    But we do.. and its all your fault inda

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    Mute Stephen Browner
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    May 30th 2017, 10:28 PM

    He’s paving the way for a urine tax

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    Mute George Salter
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    May 30th 2017, 3:57 PM

    I’ve had reason to speak to G******y S*****n. I, in my professional career, have *never* met such a self-important anus. While it is correct that we need good systems, such an arrogant man should never be left near any lever of power.

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    Mute Libertarian Ireland
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    Jun 1st 2017, 11:28 PM

    As the family dissolves with the ongoing influx of the state into the personal life, more and more duties formerly carried out by parents for live is now carried out by individuals for profit.

    The state is not good at raising kids, yet we want to keep giving our kids to the state

    Support families, babies,parents. It is the foundation of society.

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