True that Shinny. Who hasn’t made up their mind about Adams at this stage? That’s why the blatant smarmy politic being played right now will ultimately be counterproductive.

Can you name a politician that isn’t a blatant liar, Neil?

Neil, I take it by calling him a liar on a public forum, you have proof of his membership?

If you do, you are committing an offense by not reporting it to the Gardaí/PSNI

If you don’t, you are committing libel.

Which is it?

I can’t say I know much about the small print of the GFA but can anyone answer what would happen to Gerry Adams if he admitted he was in the IRA?

Good man Jammin.

‘Equality is the Trojan Horse of the entire republican strategy’. Sums up the cynicism of Adams, while he peddles idealism and revolutionary chic to teeny boppers on Twitter. I would be worried, but SF will collapse into mediocrity once Gerry exits the stage; just another bog-standard ‘progressive’ party like the rest of them. I cannot for the life of me discern much difference between any of the mainstream parties including Sinn Féin. Running with the hares & hunting with the hounds, the lot of them. ‘We want to nationalise X, Y, Z, but believe in a strong private sector’. Refugees? ‘Yes, please. We have to show our humanity and solidarity’. Blah blah fecking blah. The struggles were all a complete waste of time, because whether green or orange, we’ll all be a minority in our own little patches of land anyway.

So… you’re concerned about immigration then or did I misread what you said?

@ jane: “Good man Jammin.”

http://www.thejournal.ie/profile/378226/i-gerry-4194040/

“jane

I did Gerry…..twice”

Good woman jane.

“There are many people who feel,that it is useless and futile,for us to continue talking peace and non-violence against a government who’s reply,is only savage attacks, on an unarmed and defenceless people” -Nelson Mandela & the ANC,1961 in response the The Sharpeville massacre,the South-African apartheid equivalent of Ballymurphy and Bloody Sunday.
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3Qb3iRb4I0 …….Just some food for thought

PIRA is still a proscribed organisation and historical membership of it still carries a jail sentence. Under GFA terms a period of 2 years would still have to be spent in prison. Only a fool would leave themselves open to this.

Shinny, he’s protected child abusers, orchestrated the tactic of Disappearing, bank robberies. What profile does that fit? Terrorist? Freedom fighters? Maybe he’s just another man’s criminal thug?

So if he admits to have been in the PIRA he would go to jail and that might hurt the peace process, I think he is more useful to the peace process outside of jail myself and can benefit Ireland the most and the North most If he wasn’t in the PIRA.

It’d be interesting if that clause were removed if he would be so quick to deny it.

O’Reilly

I will condemn that given proof to persuade me you are correct. Link me to the child abuser he protected and the proof he done so and I will do it but if it’s just speculation forget it.

Micheal Collins was a wanted man for most of his life..

The most ruthless man in the last hundred years of Irish Republican activism.

I’ve no problem with Adams, if he was maybe in the IRA then my estimation of him goes up.

Either way we’ve all made our mind up a very long time ago.

For younger people his involvement in an org. where he either faced death or a life in jail will mark him out from the trash like Micheal Martin and his use of the Wife’s banks account for lodging party donations, the 2.000 a night hotel rooms when he was Minister or the likes of Kenny who will look forward to Directorships and EU jobs for his service.

John what about his support of Garda killers?

shinny you should look up the transcript from his brothers trial. I can’t link it as it’s a pdf. Google ‘Gerry Adams transcript’. it’s a long enough read but I found Adams answers uncomfortable.

Clifford, reading it now. I’ll message again when finished

Exactly shinny. The recent PSNI assessment has be on 4 of the 5 points stating that PIRA (if it actually exists) is non paramilitary organisation committed to peace. Let’s de-proscribe it completely and allow it to come into open in whatever peaceful form it wishes.

Gerry Adams had nothing to do with the IRA, but yet takes credit for bringing them to the table during the peace process.

So take credit for the upside, but deny any involvement in the downside. How very “Modern Irish”.

Where’s Shinner O’Bot when you need him?

Very interesting read so far Clifford, going to stop now for a while, there’s loads but from what I can tell he was not able to provide many dates on meetings etc but you have to remember this was during the troubles, his niece also refused to follow forward on possibly prosecuting him I believe I read and there was this : Social services and other voluntary agencies were also involved with the family and it was revealed in court that Gerry Adams had raised concerns about hygiene standards with the authorities.

He did seem to try to get her out of that house but I do think he handled the situation poorly, I think he loved his brother too much and did what he could but couldn’t bring himself to believe his brother can do it but that’s just me guessing from what I’ve read so far into this transcript.

Just above you, but he is MK76 on the weekends…

I think he’s pretty safe there Connolly – loads of people have publicly accused Jarry of being in the IRA and he’s never once tried suing any of them for libel or slander….

Seriously Shinny, stop already with the act. Your just like We’re Jammin when he started on here! Acting reasonable, casting doubt, whataboutery. You’re just another shinnerbot plant. He did not report his brothers abuse of his daughter. That’s an established fact. He did report his brothers wife to social services because their daughter had nits. That too is a fact…

O’Reilly man, are you in a bad mood or something? All I said was my opinion and what I thought after not finishing the extract and I interpreted him reporting this :

“Social services and other voluntary agencies were also involved with the family and it was revealed in court that Gerry Adams had raised concerns about hygiene standards with the authorities.”

As him trying to get her into a different house. You may have interpreted it differently or I may have mis-interpreted it.

Shinnerbots Unite!

Adams failed to win the Nationalist vote for 30+ years during the Provos’ campaign of terrorism.

The Nationalist people of NI, the Irish people, utterly rejected his morally bankrupt brand of politics.

And you sir Neil are an idiot

Yeah, being in the IRA and directing murder and racketeering is far more noble then any of the lightweight politicians in the boring auld parties here.

Robert, with an estimated 8 thousand infants being buried in unmarked graves under the auspicious of the FF/FG/Labour governments here, I would challenge you on your last comment.

One hopes that those murdered, raped or assaulted by serving or retired gardi and soldiers are not laid at the door of the current government by idiots hoping to that thereby their cousins, uncles, nieces or spouse would be elected. Or simply hope to pay less tax. T’would awful cynical.

‘For Connoly’ – I’ll take my chances. Funny Gerry doesn’t seem to bring people to court for libel. Authors Ed Maloney, Peter Taylor, Mark Urbain for example all claimed he was in the IRA. Plus former members of the IRA….some who said in court settings (High Court even) that he was a member. Even good old Enda was told he was being ‘libellous’ by Gerry one time. I don’t remember Gerry taking him to court.

Neil that’s Jammins go to line when he wants to shut people up.

For Connolly. FFS. We all know Adams was involved in a senior level in the IRA. He plays around with words when asked about this. We need in this country a basic level of honesty in both our politicians and in ourselves.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/fintan-o-toole-tough-questions-for-adams-on-child-protection-1.1970440
Shinny this is worth a read.

Mandela was a terrorist

Adams should sue everyone he claims defames him.

Most right thinking people would sue if wrongly accused of being a senior commander in a murderous terrorist organisation.

Adams could win a fortune and vindicate his name. (He could also lose a fortune and not vindicate his name, but sure that would never happen)

Shinny,
There was number of people disappeared in Belfast in the troubles.
That is a war crime.
Gerry would have to answer about that.

He’s also a criminal, shady and corrupt

oReilly yet again have you got evidence to back up your alligation if so go to psni or gardi with this . its the moral thing to do

Shinners are actively trying to wipe John Hume and Seamus Malllon from the history books, just like ISIS are trying to wipe everything that doesn’t suit their extremist, narrow, self-interested narrative.

The SDLP beat SF in EVERY election during the Troubles.

I am not arguing the good that the SDLP did during the years, but do you care to check your FACTS out via google?

I predicted an onslaught of Ira articles coming up closer to the election

my thoughts exactly Jane

He was referring to the headline but yeah, Connolly I doubt they’re going to miss that when reading the article itself

But shinny they could hardly fit all that in the headline.

The headline is not in keeping with the spirit/intent of the person being quoted. I think we can agree it’s, to be polite, mischievous.

I’m not complaining I agree with you on this one thing Jane, probably the only thing too but I think if a reader judges by the headline then there’s no point in having an article and as you said it’s in the article which most people will read so there was no point in complaining about it to be honest

“He was by far the most important person in the IRA from 1980 onwards,” Browne told TheJournal.ie.

It’s catchy, people will click on it. Maybe even out of disagreement. It’s just media wanting to draw attention to an article, they do it all the time to be honest with you.

Exactly shinny. If they go for benign hum drum headlines the site won’t last very long. Also what’s in the headline is what he said. I don’t agree with Jammins view of the overall article either, I think Vincent is quite clearly saying that Adams has problems.

That’s it shinny, its clickbait, nothing more.

read what he said Jane

I did Gerry…..twice

but he wasn’t in the Ira. he said so.

Maybe they should just scrap the articles themselves to save people the hassle of having to read them, and just come up with a representative headline instead. For those incapable of reading even a headline they could just draw a little picture instead…

The guy who thinks he’s James Connolly, abusing Journal journalists who don’t suit his Shinnerbot agenda.

Put up a link to your bible An Phoblacht, “For Connolly”…

Adams could have settled for peace decades earlier Paisley and him kept the conflict going for political reasons That said he should have got the Nobel peace prize Adams not Paisley

That’s what I do say to people Niall. Picture Sarkosy trying to rub Gerry Adams on the head for his obedience.

Wouldn’t *

Paisley didn’t get any Nobel prize, nor would any sane person ever suggest he should stop. His dance partner David Trimble received that award.

Sinn Féin drove sectarian division in Northern Ireland for decades.

And they deserve a pat on the back for cashing out and supporting a strategy which doesn’t murder innocent people? I think not.

What happened to that “Brits Out” strategy they loved so much? SF recognised partition and British Rule, all for a few UK regional assembly jobs, ruled from London.

Diarmuid, the Unionist mantra (prior to what you call the ‘troubles’), was that the North was a ‘protestant country for a protestant people”. How does that suit your version of what happened? The Unionists did their best to drive the Irish out through job/welfare and general discrimination. > 90% of the police force prior to the ‘troubles’ was protestant. In 1968 the Irish were banned for from marching for civil rights. This was all before the ‘troubles’ started.

The majority of Catholic/Nationalist people never supported SF/PIRA’s brand of “freedom fighting” on their behalf. The Catholic/Nationalist people rejected the arrogant self-appointed status of the Provos to murder on their behalf.

Neither! ESPECIALLY not Gerry Adams

I think the difference is that Mandela admitted his involvement in what went on in their struggle whereas Gerry has played the public for fools.

Reading up about Nelson Mandela now and apparently he was controversial just like Gerry, never knew that I thought everyone accepted he was a peacemaker and a good man but apparently not (Nelson)

So standing against oppression of yourself and family,your neighbours and friends because of creed race or religion makes a terrorist. God forbid im ever anything but a terrorist then.

Mandela invited Adams and another leading Republican figure to be among the 6 at his guard of honour.

2 Irish boys at his funeral out of all the revolutionaries of the world.

ROFL Denise… how many people would still be alive if it wasn’t for SF/PIRA?

Read Mandela’s book.

Mandela’s organisation never targeted civilians.

Mandela had the support of the vast majority of the South African people.

Are you forgetting about the people who WERE killed? Gerry Adams has never once denied that he was in the IRA, What’s his motive for coming into the south and trying to get elected into government here after so many years causing trouble in the north?

Jane gerry adams will go down in history as the man who brought peace to this island like it or not.

Sharon hates sinn fein anyway from Rte. It’s hilarious at times

Ray, don’t forget John Hume – they gave him a nobel peace prize!

I do feel like people forget Hume sometimes

John Hume is a true statesman and a true republican.

*Sinn Fein* people like to forget John Hume because it takes from their propaganda play about ‘gerry the statesman’.

Well I don’t see why both can’t be statesmen.

Exactly…wonder why big Gerry was never nominated, seeing as the shinner bots seem to think he was responsible for the peace process…more like thug who saw the writing on the wall.

Ah Jane..VB is yet another fallacy merchant..yes?..Gerry was never on the Army Council..he has said it so often it hurts…except Gerry is a lying murdering bustard and his sycophant followers are of a similar bent.

@Farrelly…troll.

Randle, if i said that i understood you were a “Gerry is a lying murdering bustard ” except in my case that i know your history and i know it to be true and that you were making those comments in order to advance your parties efforts, what would you say?

Mcmurphy dipstick.

I’ve always thought of myself as a reasonable person

In fairness you aware. I rarely agree with you but that’s s different thing.

*are*

I think the Irish will see this for what it is really and those who don’t (no matter what their opinion of Adams, the IRA or Sinn Féin) are those who aren’t voting Sinn Féin anyway. I don’t think that works nowadays anyway, their was a huge attack against UKIP in the UK, a hugely divisive party and they still did as well as they were going to.

I think they will Shinny. Adams is a divisive figure, and rightly so, but i doubt it will effect the Red C poll too much…

No matter what the commentary is on the VBs Programme the SF/IRA guys on this site will try to rewrite it. Makes the Journal irrelevant.

Another pearl of wisdom Powerabbey, you are playing a stormer today! – reading your comments reminds me of Allen Poe, Shakespeare or even Wordsworth…Kudos!

Powerabbey, you are here .. you are writing comments, so it must be relevant to you , or am I missing something?

Sunningdale was brought down by the dup and loyalist paramilitaries as was the anglo irish agreement. What the PIRA campaign achieved was the removal of that ‘orange veto’ supported by the british and made it viable for the republican ideals to be work for by peaceful means without fear of persecution and prosecution by an orange state.

IRA was also opposed to Sunningdale during the power sharing agreement they intensified their
bombing campaign in the first 5 months of 1974
True to say it was joint work of the IRA and loyalist paramilitaries that brought down Sunningdale
Orange veto was strengthened by IRA as Unionists could claim they wont share power with terrorists
Once the IRA campaign ended and IRA promised to get rid of weapons then the Unionists veto was undermined and hard to keep going
Unionists would never share power with SF as long as IRA campaign continued.
Pity they did not end it in 1974

Shinners avoided Sunnigdale, until the Provos were essentially defeated.

Sunningdale was Good Friday for slow learners.

Diarmuid, Either you don’t know your history or you deliberately ignore it, but the Unionists ensured the Sunningdale agreement failed before it got off the ground. The Unionists voted against it because they saw the Irish as a lower class people. Not the IRA, not SF, but the Irish people living North of the border. The unionists stopped Suningdale coming into law. If it had been voted into law, the IRA would have had no mandate, no support. SF would not have come into existence in their current form.