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'We have no future' - wives of defence forces march today over their spouses' working conditions

Wives and Partners of the Defence Forces (WPDF) is set to march on the Department of Defence in Newbridge, Co Kildare, this afternoon.

File Photo A day of action that has been organised by Wives & Partners of the Defence Forces (WPDF) who are campaigning for better pay and conditions for military personnel Sam Boal Sam Boal

A PROTEST GROUP representing the wives and partners of members of Ireland’s Defence Forces will this afternoon hold a march on the headquarters of the Department of Defence in Co Kildare.

The Wives and Partners of the Defence Forces (WPDF) will march from St Conleth’s Church in Newbridge to the Department from 2pm.

The group, which was set up in November of last year by three such wives of current members, is marching to highlight issues with their spouses’ pay and conditions among other things.

At present, the group claims that many Defence Forces members are effectively working for less than the minimum wage, and have no method of recourse vie traditional industrial relations channels in Ireland.

“We just felt it needed to be brought to the fore,” Shelley Cotter, spokeswoman with the WPDF, told TheJournal.ie. “It’s been a proud secret for too long.”

Cotter, a naval services wife, had been protesting on her own regarding her husband’s conditions for some time before coming across her fellow Defence Forces spouses Judith Wharton and Lorraine O’Hare and forming WPDF.

“I’m actually overwhelmed with the feedback from the Defence Forces family,” she says. The movement has hit upon a common cause that has united thousands, WPDF claims.

We are not contracted, we can speak about this in a way our husbands and family can’t. We’ve been very forthright. We’re apolitical.

Cotter says that along with the support garnered for the group along the way, stories of familial hardship from members have also come to light, including that of Sandra, the wife of a member of the Defence Forces of 14 years standing and mother of three children, a woman who claims she sometimes has to feed her children porridge for dinner because they can afford nothing else.

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“Sometimes, when I’m at home thinking about what I can cook for my family with about €6 in my purse I wonder if my family would be better off without me. I am tired. I cry so much because I feel I’ve let them all down. We can’t survive on €527 per week. Once the rent, food, petrol, electricity and gas are paid there is absolutely nothing left,” she says.

Sometimes I pretend to my neighbour that I forgot to get milk just so she doesn’t know I’m where I am in life. Nowhere & hopeless.
My husband is a lovely, committed man but a broken man. He had an extra job doing deliveries but because of the uncertainty of his hours in the army he just couldn’t commit to it and his boss didn’t like the fact that he couldn’t do some nights or weekends due to the unexpected things that soldiers have to do.
We have no future. We will never own our own house, we will never be able to afford a holiday, we will never be able to afford to send our children to college. These used to be priorities for us but now all we want is to be able to put food on our kitchen table every night.

‘Stories flooding in’

Cotter says that Sandra’s story is a very typical one. “They’re flooding in at the moment. I had a woman this week telling me that she has two nappies in her house and no idea where she’s going to find the money to buy what’s needed,” she says.

WPDF has four main points of protest, and while pay and conditions are at the top of the list, that aspect of things is far from the only bone of contention. The four points are:

  • Pay and conditions within the Defence Forces
  • The fight for the right of Defence Forces members to take workplace disputes to the Workplace Relations Commission / Labour Court
  • The ending and exposure of the practice of Forces members taking Lariam, an anti-Malaria drug which the group claims has chronic side effects (Cotter describes it as a ‘nightmare in a pill’), while serving overseas
  • The elimination of so-called post-94 contracts – those that could see a member since 1994 having to leave the Defence Forces after 21 years should a certain level of rank or achievement not be attained

But if workplace conditions are so poor in the forces, why is there such a heavy uptake for the job?

“That’s the thing. The Defence Forces is bleeding staff,” says Cotter. “There’s a disconnect between what people understand and the reality of the situation. The Department of Defence likes to brag about its recruitment drives, but most new recruits have no idea of what their starting wage is like.”

The problem isn’t recruitment, it’s retention. They get them in, but then they have to train them, and they have to keep them, and the reality is that isn’t possible with things how they are.

TheJournal.ie queried the Department of Defence regarding WPDF’s concerns. A spokesperson acknowledged that the group had recently met with Minister Paul Kehoe and that “the matters under discussion are being progressed by the Minister and his Department”.

Regarding pay in the Defence Forces, they said that “rates of remuneration and conditions of employment in the Irish Defence Forces have traditionally been set by reference to relative levels of pay across the various parts of the Irish public sector”.

In terms of the issue of Lariam-usage, the spokesperson said: “The position with regard to the use of Lariam in the Defence Forces has been outlined to the (WPDF’s) representatives.”

Access to the workplace relations services does not seem likely at present to be granted (“the Department remains satisfied with the present arrangements in place for the Defence Forces”), while the issue of post-1994 contracts (which exist so as “to ensure that operational capability and effectiveness are not compromised in any way”) is currently being analysed pending the implementation of a legal adjudication.

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One thing seems certain however  -  now that it’s established WPDF has no intention of giving up.

Shelley Cotter says she “couldn’t say” how many people are likely to be on today’s march.

“Two weeks ago, I would have said 20 or 30. Today I couldn’t tell you. We’ve even got a bus leaving from Cork,” she says.

We’re all just so heartened to see the takeup in this. And we’re going nowhere. This has been a hidden secret for too long.

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    Jul 26th 2024, 8:22 PM

    Best of luck Team Ireland

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    Jul 26th 2024, 8:38 PM

    What an opening ceremony
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    Delighted with the choice of the flag bearers. Spot on

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    Jul 26th 2024, 8:57 PM

    @gordon o loughlin: a very silly opening on the boats.

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    Jul 26th 2024, 9:13 PM

    @Sean Money: why, is different not good. Great to see a city showcased and to see the variety.

    I’m loving the boats. It’s epic.

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    Jul 26th 2024, 11:20 PM

    @Sean Money: it was spectacular. Stop whinging

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    Jul 27th 2024, 12:00 AM

    @Sean Money: ???

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    Jul 27th 2024, 10:32 AM

    @gordon o loughlin: I was very disappointed with it. Much prefer the stadium option.

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    Jul 27th 2024, 10:33 AM

    @Paul Conlon: Being ‘different’ is not the reason for it not being not good.

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    Jul 27th 2024, 1:20 PM

    @Sal Paradise: You win gold for the most “not” words in a sentence. Congrats!

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    Jul 27th 2024, 2:16 PM

    @Willie Murphy: Thanks.

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    Jul 27th 2024, 10:45 PM

    @Sal Paradise: then please explain. It’s a showcase of unity, strength, excitement, the thoughts of what can be. Loved every part of it

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    Jul 26th 2024, 9:15 PM

    Paris looks amazing.

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    Jul 26th 2024, 8:55 PM

    All the countries squeezed into boats, with some having to share with other countries and hardly seen. It is farcical not done in the stadium, its more of a boat show.

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    Jul 26th 2024, 8:32 PM

    Best of luck guys.
    No doubt the far right will find fault in your efforts and blame on something weird.

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    Jul 26th 2024, 9:49 PM

    @Argus Romsworth: Twit!

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    Jul 26th 2024, 9:58 PM

    @Argus Romsworth: no need for that , sweet Jesus , does it break your heart seeing the Irish flag ?

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    Jul 26th 2024, 10:03 PM

    @Ulick: @Damien: There yis are there now

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    Jul 27th 2024, 3:42 AM

    @Argus Romsworth: TDS.

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    Jul 26th 2024, 10:16 PM

    Paris looked like the city of dreams. Imagine was incredibly moving. Watched on imax movie screen. Highly recommend. If movie theaters are smart they will steam events. Was so fun to be part of the crowd energy. Spontaneous applause for the Ukrainian atheles. Making the whole world feel as one is what the Olympics does best

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    Jul 26th 2024, 10:35 PM

    Stunning display from France.
    Now that was a show and was something else.
    Bravo

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    Jul 26th 2024, 9:08 PM

    Loving the opening ceremony. Pity about the rain but Paris looks amazing. Thought Maniac 2000 might get an airing in the Euro medley but not to be

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    Jul 26th 2024, 9:38 PM

    It is always lovely to see humanity loving what is best in the spirit of competition. Those who play no part in any productive effort have nothing to do but complain in their own mediocrity and misery, but the games and the dances go on anyway to the enjoyment of those who live their lives with energy, creativity and productivity.

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    Jul 26th 2024, 10:31 PM

    Everyone arriving in boats, just like the Mediterranean and the English Channel at the moment.
    If they had wanted to do the Ireland team properly, and I wish them all the best of luck in their events, then they would have been brought in by air and sponsored by an NGO.

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    Jul 27th 2024, 12:01 AM

    @Garry Coll: Can’t you joyless freaks just enjoy the ceremony without bringing your anti-immigrant bollixology into it?

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    Jul 27th 2024, 11:28 AM

    @Anthony Curran:
    It’s not me that created the opening ceremony for the Olympics, replete with its imagery making a mockery of western and Christian civilisation and culture, and it’s not anti immigrant to want to preserve your civilisation and culture.
    If you think it is, you’re the one with the problem.

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    Jul 27th 2024, 2:16 PM

    @Garry Coll: Cry harder Garry. While the rest of us carry on seeing people, not colour. Civilisation and culture changes constantly. Otherwise we’d still be living in caves. Though it seems some people would prefer to do that.

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    @Anthony Curran:
    I’m sure that the perverts and groomers and serial fetishists who get their kicks by watching grown men

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    Jul 27th 2024, 6:07 PM

    @Garry Coll:
    expose their genitals to children on live TV think like yourself Anthony, butt the wave of revulsion at parts of the “ceremony” across France and Europe tells it’s own story.

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    Jul 27th 2024, 11:52 PM

    @Garry Coll: Old man yells at cloud.

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    Jul 28th 2024, 10:08 AM

    @Anthony Curran:
    Not really Anthony, just stating the obvious.
    And just to emphasise point, the Paris 24 Olympics committee has taken down their official video of the opening ceremony from YouTube out of embarrassment and is threatening Twitter with legal action if it doesn’t censor any posts with uploaded video clips of the event.
    This tawdry exercise in deviant debauchery is even too much for those who commissioned it and paid out good money to the mental patient who thought it up.
    #HeIsRisen.

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    Jul 26th 2024, 8:41 PM

    looks like they are ready for Judo.

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    Jul 26th 2024, 10:41 PM

    Biggest load of woke nonsense, absolutely unbelievable symbolism.

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    Jul 26th 2024, 11:57 PM

    @T.A ANTHONY: Everything is woke nonsense these days to joyless freaks.

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    @T.A ANTHONY: Whats woke? See, you can’t answer.

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    Jul 26th 2024, 11:46 PM

    What a ridiculous ceremony.

    The boats ok, the light show good but the drag show and what seemed a reference to a 3 some earlier on after the library scene??? What’s going on?

    I thought sport/Olympics was to be non politicised.

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    @Niall Murphy: So drag is political now? Ffs…

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    Jul 27th 2024, 1:07 AM

    @Anthony Curran: I was tempted to say – go straighten your wig, put a bit of lippy on and chill the knickers out

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    Jul 27th 2024, 1:09 AM

    The only thing missing tonight, was shooting midgets out of canons as they screamed ‘I identify as tall’.

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    @Niall Murphy: You seem weird.

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    Jul 27th 2024, 1:20 AM

    @Niall Murphy: non politicized, the Olympics? Who told you that?

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    Jul 27th 2024, 8:28 AM

    @Niall Murphy: bet you were turned on Niall,bet you came over all funny,ya durty pecker

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    Jul 26th 2024, 9:03 PM

    Dreadful ceremony in my opinion. Apart from Gojira.. They were incredible

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    Jul 26th 2024, 10:04 PM

    Its a pity Team Ireland wasn’t in a viking splash tour boat

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    Jul 26th 2024, 8:31 PM

    Just in case you missed this info above… Hurdler Sarah Lavin and golfer Shane Lowry took their roles as Ireland’s Olympic flag bearers.

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    Jul 26th 2024, 10:14 PM

    Charlie Haughey should have been jailed for stealing money from brian lenihans fund. He should have been denied a state funeral. BBC much better at broadcasting than rte.

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    Jul 27th 2024, 4:18 AM

    @rory Mcgovern: hey ass hole I bet u have parents ,grandparents ect.ask ur parents .grandparents about who brought in good pensions .free tv licence .free transport free fuel,allowance ect right back to the 70s.other government after would not dare touch or try to scrap all of this as they know the old people built and paid for this Republic of Ireland. Now hopefully The GAA will cop on to this with this GAA go .and forcing the older generation who built the GAA to pay to watch game’s of interest…put ur small game’s on ur pay per view..the current people in charge in croke park see money . Let’s have full and open disclosure of income and expenses/ expenditure .allowances paid out and also income including sponsorship of GAA go .

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    Jul 27th 2024, 9:28 AM

    @Christopher Fealy: Haughey was a crook, a charlatan, a philanderer. He filled his pockets while he told the rest of us to tighten our belts. No amount of revisionist bs can change facts.

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    Jul 27th 2024, 10:35 AM

    @Christopher Fealy: Let’s bring back punctuation.

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    Jul 28th 2024, 6:05 PM

    @Anthony Curran:
    Facts like the definition of a woman is an adult human female.

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    Jul 26th 2024, 11:41 PM

    Good luck to the Irish team.
    Celine Dion. Goosebumps.

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    Jul 26th 2024, 8:54 PM

    Like the aul’ assassins creed unity homage.

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    Jul 26th 2024, 10:35 PM

    Go on Gojira! Did your country proud!

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    Jul 27th 2024, 12:23 PM

    The poor delicate petals who throw about the word ‘woke’ have been upset by an Olympic Opening Ceremony.

    How weak you are. Weak and insignificant.

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    Jul 27th 2024, 2:18 PM

    @Sun Rise: It’s pathetic isn’t it? Those who claim to be “patriots” get upset by dancers, performers and musicians!

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