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THERE HAS BEEN a lot of angst – and rightly so – about how bin charges are going to be structured for Irish households.
It adds to the overall conversation about how the State is tackling the production and disposal of waste. One of the suggestions from Environment Minister Denis Naughten has been to place large-scale recycling facilities directly outside supermarkets so that consumers can dispose of excess packaging before they go home.
If this was available, would you remove packaging from your goods before taking them home with you?
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How about some tax cuts for tax payers, and social welfare cuts for the bottom feeders
@Charlie O’Neill: Charlie only cares about you if you haven’t been born yet. If you happen to be out of a job you’re a ‘bottom feeder’
@paulganly: Plenty of jobs around, and plenty of lazy fockers too. No problem helping those genuinely unable to work for health reasons, but all the spongers should get reduction after reduction, then they will have to go earn a living.
@Charlie O’Neill: dark aul view social welfare is spent in local businesses while apple tax cheats is held offshore why does ffffffFG get 2 budgets again? fffg MERGE already!
@paulganly: How about encouraging people to find a job & rewarding those that make an effort.
@Charlie O’Neill: correct why should
Farmers
Get subsidies while also working full
Time outside farming
Sharp cuts to welfare needed. No excuse. How is it that tens of thousands of Eastern Europeans manage to get a job in your local Spar yet the locals in social housing don’t even bother to apply. People need to be forced to work if they are able-bodied.
@Fred Jetson: I was made redundant from a major retailer with 33 years service over a year ago and all my efforts to get back into work failed. I tried both full time and part time even in these small shops. I am at the moment doing a 6 month course in CAD and CnC manufacturing and if it wasn’t for our welfare system would have been impossible. I desperately want to work and earn a living but no one will employ me. Please don’t tar all of us on the dole with the same brush. One day, we will all need assistance.
@Francis Sally:
Francis, fair play to you and I hope you get work in the near future. Unfortunately not all of society has your work ethic which I am sure will benefit you and you will get a job.
@Francis Sally:
I wish you well and hope you get a job.
Where welfare really needs addressing is on giving people out of work for life. that is unaffordable for a country E200 billion in debt. Even without that debt. The OECD has criticised Ireland for this more than once in the past few years. Very few countries do it.
Another thing is paying those who have not contributed enough, or at all, to the tax pot and yet who claim everything that’s going for years on end.
And we know who those groups are.
@Fred Jetson: because the Irish will not work in spar. Dope
@Rory: or is it spar won’t hire Irish people !!!!!
@Nick Allen: thanks for the kind words, Nick…. completely agree with you. Worked since I was 16 and it’s horrible to be in this situation.
@Francis Sally: people in this little country are notoriously quick to tar everyone with the same brush.. until it happens to a member of there own family…
@Francis Sally: I don’t think anyone is tarring all social welfare recipients with the same brush or at least I hope not but there are plenty on it that don’t want to work. Unfortunately it sounds like agism is against you as employers don’t want to employ people over a certain age. Best of luck to you.
@Fred Jetson: That’s a lot of the problem, that eastern Europeans can come here to work but who wants to work over there? Nobody, because there’s nothing there for western Europeans.
0 welfare increase please.
@Paul: Agreed… Cut welfare to Apple immediately and invest in services.
@Louis Jacob: We’re not paying “welfare ” to apple. We’re being asked by the European Commission to act as tax collector for the rest of Europe. Not sure how much of the tax we’d actually get to keep, which would be none if the tax is not legally payable
@Thomas O’ Donnell: 0.005% Tax? Call it what you like. I’m not saying they need to act as anyone’s ‘tax collector’. I’m just saying that Apple should be paying more.
@Paul: How nice of you. Those of us struggling on careers and disability allowance will just go dig a hole and die will we? Or after paying tax all my working life I am now in a position to actually get something back from the state when I need it most . After all my pax paid for education health child allowance for you and everyone else.
@Louis Jacob: zero excuse for able bodied people not to work now.the lazy could use the excuse that jobs were scarce during the crash!
Plenty of work out there now!
@Catherine Sims: People seem to lump the person like yourself and the worker that has worked for donkeys years but lost their job in the same category with the lazy shites that have never had a job in their lives.
@Louis Jacob: Have a look at the info graphic EU Competition tweeted out. Shows Apple products being bought all over Europe and profits going to Ireland. It was a not to subtle message that the tax is owned to France, Germany and the rest of Europe and Ireland needs to put that right.
@Brendan Walsh: the tax is not owed to the rest of Europe. Tax on sales is called VAT. Tax on profits are called corporation tax. If you have subsidiaries in multiple countries then you use transfer pricing to sell your products to countries where taxes are higher from countries that have lower taxes. If you don’t have profit in France or Germany then you don’t owe tax. Simple! You or I would do the same to pay as little tax as possible. Other European countries are so far behind in business terms. Now they want to move the goal posts and tax revenue. A joke!
“Peoples pay should rise at a gentle pace”….meanwhile TD’s get €2700 pay rise a year for the next two years. Nice gentle pace there !
@zippo: was thinking exactly the same Zippo…one rule for us and one for the peasants
Lower your own salaries by at least 30% and halve the amount of TDs .
@Frank Brennan:
That will not have any material impact on the overall finances
@Frank Brennan: and it’s also constitutionally illegal.
@Nick Allen: Doesn’t hurt to lead by example though…….
@Nick Allen: correct, but it should be done.
@Frank Brennan: I presume that the lowering of salaries applies only to TDs. If so , I agree.
@rory conway: just the TDs
@Frank Brennan: we were given the chance to get rid of that Seanad joke shop and didn’t take it.
Conmen in suits. That’s all they are.
“McGrath pointed out the government need to find revenue-raising measures.”
Another way to create funds would be to look at operational cost savings. Perhaps some efficiencies and accountability in the public service? A novel idea would be to incentivise people to look for cost savings within their departments.
How about the Nordic model all Irish politicians praise as the most fair…..In Sweden people on €18000 pay €3000 in income tax….Here they would pay hardly any tax….
@John003:
As you say the tax on 18k in Sweden is 3,200 whereas in Ireland not is 600. But if the salary is 35,800 tax in Ireland rockets up to 7,000 (Sweden is 8,300). This increase is far too much and should be spread more evenly.
@John003: aye yeah. But do the pay the selection of stealth taxes we pay?
@oh i dunno:
Their average water bill is 492 euro a year which is a lot higher than the 160 a year Ireland was looking to charge
FF budget. Property tax breaks in the property bubble, get rid of financial regulation, the Galway tent, and more brown envelopes.
In other words ,workers your screwed , people who don’t want to work your laughing.. no changes there then
And pay increases for politicians again. Come on journal, independent reported this on Monday.
Keep your miserly cuts and hire some extra nurses with the money!
Party of crooks!
I wouldn’t buy a second hand from them .ff = Corruption
Confident we’ll be in power after the next election,and meanwhile will supply support while it suits…no no doubt the blueshirts will return the favour…
Feck off FF. You destroyed this country then FG buried it.
“Confidence and supply”
What a load of horshite.
Everyone complains and begrudges unfortunate people on the dole.. trying to get by.. but nobody says a word when members of government award themselves huge undeserved salary increases ..and claim enormous expenses..
pathetic! the usual from FF, dont try to alienate anyone, something for everyone, from the same crowd that were throwing out double digit in terms of % welfare increases every year, when tens of thousands of foreigners were coming here to do work that many of the Irish wouldnt!
ffffffFG will be doing its 2 budgets again I see MERGE already!
Or we could just our Apple Tax!
Jesus the amount of Heartless people here in Ireland is unreal. everyone blameing the people on social, people who have lost their jobs, made to feel like peace of waste, living on €198.00 per week, you try and do that. People should look at the real problem in this country, The Government end of story, they waste money left and right, set up bull taxes. We must all share the blame for this deplorable condition, we keep letting the wasters in power doing the same thing over and over again. The USC was only to last 8 months, still here. Anyone that blames people on Social are NO better then the rednecks in America.
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