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Water supply returning to thousands of homes after burst pipe in Meath repaired

Between 5,000 and 10,000 homes were without water in Navan town today.

Updated 9pm.

THOUSANDS OF HOMES in Meath that were left without water today have now had their water restored, according to Irish Water.

Up to 10,000 customers were affected by a burst pipe in Navan.

In a statement this evening Irish Water confirmed that the trunk main that feeds water into Navan town has been successfully repaired.

Water is being restored to homes and businesses in north, west and south Navan town and some surrounding areas over the coming hours.

Some 5,000 to 10,000 people were left without water in Navan town, while up to 1,000 homes were impacted at the Shannon Banks, Corbally, County Clare.

The burst pipe was located along the R162 Navan/Kingstown Road at the bottom of Proudstown Hill.

Water tankers deployed

Water tankers were mobilised earlier today and replenished water storage tanks in Our Lady’s Hospital in Navan and Meath Disability Services.

Tankers were also on standby for residential use, but they were not deployed as the outage was under a 24 hour period.

BURST WATER PIPE NAVAN 758A8317_90519349 Crew working to repair the burst water pipe in Navan today. Eamonn Farrell / Rollingnews.ie Eamonn Farrell / Rollingnews.ie / Rollingnews.ie

The area impacted in Clare was located near the Limerick border, between the Shannon Banks and Westbury housing estates.

Firefighters alerted to flooding

Firefighters attached to Limerick City Fire Service were first to respond to the burst pipe after they were alerted to flooding in the area late last night.

Firefighters managed to divert millions of litres of water away from homes by using sandbags and pumps, while also opening street drains.

Burst Water Main Clare-Limerick 2 A burst water main on the border between Limerick City and Westbury, Clare overnight caused many homes to be without water. Liam Burke / Press 22 Liam Burke / Press 22 / Press 22

Irish Water says the repair in Clare was relatively “straight forward”. This was the second large burst water mains in Limerick in just two weeks.

In the early hours of 15 July, residents in Bengal Terrace awoke to a river of dirty water flowing through their homes after a large water mains pipe burst.

Today’s disruption comes just a few days after a water shortage problem in Louth and east Meath affected around 70,000 people.

MINISTER VISITS WATER SHORTAGE LOCATION  758A8157_90518863 Minister for Housing, Eoghan Murphy attempting to explain the problems to residents when he visited Stameen Estate in Drogheda last week. Eamonn Farrell / Rollingnews.ie Eamonn Farrell / Rollingnews.ie / Rollingnews.ie

The Defence Forces were called in to assist locals, with Minister for Housing Eoghan Murphy stating that it was the biggest problem Irish Water faced to date.

While reports of burst pipes around the country might appear to be more frequent in recent weeks, a spokesperson for Irish Water said it is worth noting that it deals with an average of 1,000 bursts a week around the country.

“Most have minimal customer impact as reservoirs, water in the network and storage in homes and businesses have sufficient water so customers do not experience outages while the repair is being made,” she added.

Additional reporting David Raleigh and Cliódhna Russell.

Read: Water returns to Louth and Meath after a ‘complex’ repair – Irish Water>

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    Nov 25th 2012, 10:31 AM

    If RTE are responsible for Sean Gallagher not being elected President then I take my hat off to them

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    Nov 25th 2012, 12:53 PM

    So you are saying good or evil is determined by whether it result is what you want, this is the end result of atheism.

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    Mute ManOnTheStreet
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    Nov 25th 2012, 2:10 PM

    Who mentioned good or evil? Settle down there princess. Should you not be still at mass or something?

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    Mute Kevin O'Brien
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    Nov 25th 2012, 10:34 AM

    I didn’t give you a red or green thumb because I was 1 of the people who was going to vote for Sean Gallagher until that happened. But 100% they changed the outcome…

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    Nov 25th 2012, 11:10 AM

    People seem to be missing the point. Yes it changed the outcome, although I agree for the best, it shows how incompetent and even corrupt RTE are yet what has happened to them because of it, how has not oe person even lost a job over this scandal, and it is a scandal, it worked out well in most peoples eyes this time but what about next time, will RTEs incompetence and corruption work out well next time, I doubt it

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    Mute Doc Benway
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    Nov 25th 2012, 11:25 AM

    What a load of rubbish! Of course the Irish media affects peoples opinions. Why is nobody complaining about the failure of any Irish media to report on stories carried in The New York Times and The Washington Post which stated an American viewpoint that “Sean Gallagher was a bagman for the most corrupt and disastrous government in the history of the state”. Would such media reports had they been shared with the Irish people affected their opinion?

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    Nov 25th 2012, 11:34 AM

    Exactly. It was noted widely through out the world that Gallagher was involved deeply in FF activities and that they had him as one of their money men, going around tapping up businesses for 5k a piece, and in exchange they would get 30 minutes alone time with the leader of the country. FF were quiet clear on that and the world was stunned that they could so brazenly admit to that.

    The more people saw and heard of Gallagher and his background the more they less they liked or trusted him.

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    Nov 25th 2012, 12:13 PM

    So you were going to vote for an FF bag man? Then what made you change your mind?

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    Mute Tony O Connor
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    Nov 25th 2012, 1:25 PM

    Nail on the head Paul.

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    Mute alan duffy
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    Nov 25th 2012, 11:00 AM

    I care . Imagine the Irish people were going to vote another ff bluffer into the the power . Thank you RTE !

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    Mute Paul M. Barrett
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    Nov 25th 2012, 10:53 AM

    Yes I think it had an impact on the result , so I’d like to thank RTE for saving us from ourselves and preventing someone connected to FF from getting in. I recall some of the ballots cast before the debate showed Gallagher well ahead.

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    Mute DaffodilDaze
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    Nov 25th 2012, 11:00 AM

    Exactly, what kind of signal would it have sent to businesses and investors looking at Ireland if we had put in a bag man as President. The country would have been written off as a nation of chancers.

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    Mute michael o'toole
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    Nov 25th 2012, 1:14 PM

    i don’t thank RTE at all, at all.
    it’s a pity Martin McGuinness didn’t benifit from the fallout,
    but RTE or Kenny wouldn’t have wanted that – would they ??

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    Nov 25th 2012, 6:30 PM

    Good point, Michael. WHY didn’t Martin McGuinness benefit?

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    Nov 25th 2012, 10:55 AM

    It did….. For the better! I don’t particularly like the hobbit but thank Christ we don’t have that younger version of Bertie in there.

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    Mute DaffodilDaze
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    Nov 25th 2012, 10:56 AM

    There were so many questions, unanswered questions, regarding Gallagher’s business practices that he was in no way suitable for the highest office in the land.

    He was proven to be a FF money man. The country had a very close call with a bald bertie.

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    Mute Martin O Donnell
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    Nov 25th 2012, 10:43 AM

    It’s a pity cos look at the eejit who is in office now…. Jobs for the boys……… We have gone backwards since the 2 Marys….. Higgins is a muppet

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    Mute Denis
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    Nov 25th 2012, 11:52 AM

    What jobs would those be? And how have we gone backwards?

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    Mute Seamus MacIonnrachtaigh
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    Nov 25th 2012, 4:01 PM

    We had a choice between a Poet and a Crook. We chose the Poet. Deal with it.

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    Mute David Murphy
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    Nov 25th 2012, 11:08 AM

    Yes it did, but of course it did! That’s the point of media interaction-swaying voters. Newstalk saying that their broadcast do not change the outcome if elections is like saying their advertising slots don’t influence consumers, they are basically calling themselves an ineffective platform.

    The drama that unfolded on frontline would not have unfolded if Gallagher did not have a dodgy past he was trying to conceal. I thought one of the things that the media is important for in a democracy is getting this kind of stuff out into the open. As such I often find myself saying a sentence I never, ever thought I would say: Well done Pat Kenny.

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    Nov 25th 2012, 12:03 PM

    It was really Martin mcguinness though.

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    Mute Adrian Martyn
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    Nov 25th 2012, 6:29 PM

    If that was the case, Ailis, then Martin McGuinness should have won, but he did’nt. If he had polled one point lower he would have lost his deposit.

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    Nov 25th 2012, 10:39 AM

    What was McGuinness thinking of entering?! Seriously!

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    Nov 25th 2012, 10:44 AM

    I did not see the debate but it did not effect my voting intentions in any event. Having seen the clip afterwards to me it showed what a novice Gallagher was when all was said and done. I still don n’t know why McGuinness went after him as I could see no upside for him but the gap in experience and knowledge was laid bare by the move

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    Nov 25th 2012, 10:50 AM

    Also, meant to add yesterday was the first time I saw Michael D presented before a rugby game (or any other game for that matter). Two things struck me, One he looked a little uncomfortable with the whole thing and secondly the real warmth he showed in his introduction to the two mascots. I think despite RTE’s monumental cocky we still got the right person for the job.

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    Nov 25th 2012, 11:43 AM

    He’s been to all the rugby at the aviva

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    Nov 25th 2012, 11:46 AM

    Sean, McGuinness went after him, in order to ensure Gallagher AKA FF did not get into the role of president. I applaud McGuinness for what he did. Anyone but FF was the right choice for office of president.
    But i will warn now, to all who are willing to listen, FFG will go into Government with FF at the next election. Those thieving gits will do anything to keep their noses in the trough.
    Vote anyone except FF/FFG/Labour at the next election.

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    Nov 25th 2012, 12:31 PM

    Johnny, I am sure he has been but having a lively small one running around the house curtails ones ability to sit and watch the games. Yesterday was the first time I had the chance to watch an international game in nearly a year and my observation was based in that alone.

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    Nov 25th 2012, 12:33 PM

    Wasn’t givin you stick, was just sayin

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    Nov 25th 2012, 12:37 PM

    Michael D is running around your house? How’d that happen?

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    Nov 25th 2012, 12:43 PM

    Cal, given the extent politically that FF & SF are at each others throats and how their places in the opinion polls seem to swing in relationship to each other your comment makes sense. Both parties probably see each other as their biggest threat and frame much of their engagement accordingly. A FG/FF coalition is a real possibility after the next general election. Labour will be decimated because the old guard will probably for the most part not run preferring instead to collect their pensions and the newer younger ones who were voted on in due to the general lift in labour votes will find that it has vanished and many will be out on their ear. What party is FFG, never heard of them!

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    Nov 25th 2012, 11:18 AM

    I’d like to think that we would have woken up to Gorrillagher’s non stop lies and bluster eventually, on our own, and without any help from RTE.

    I’d like to think that, but it would be untrue. This gombeen was going to win. Whether it was deliberate, or just incompetence, someone in RTE facilitated McGuinness, who did the country a great service that night.

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    Nov 25th 2012, 11:39 AM

    It’s probably the greatest public service RTE has ever done!….I’m sick of all this clamour over a fake tweet, that’s completely beside the point. What’s relevant is, that if Sean Gallagher didn’t have a murky Fianna Fáil past then he wouldn’t have got so spooked! If he had nothing to hide why did he get so panicked?

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    Nov 25th 2012, 11:50 AM

    Regardless of the accuracy of any tweets it doesn’t change the fact that Gallagher was still going around picking up brown envelopes for FF.
    If it hadn’t been for the tweet he may have thought he could have kept quiet about it, maybe that’s why he and his party are so bitter.

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    Nov 25th 2012, 1:15 PM

    Exactly. This wasn’t some poor old skin who was wronged, this was a man who was involved in FF activities at the highest level for years. He sat on their National Exec., he drove around banging on doors looking for envelopes for the party from businesses. He was a bag man and collector for them.

    He was caught out by his own past.

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    Nov 25th 2012, 11:16 AM

    Thank you, RTE!

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    Nov 25th 2012, 11:53 AM

    Sean gallagher should have won, a real president for Ireland

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    Nov 25th 2012, 12:16 PM

    Talk about kicking bones. When will we hear the end of this!! It wasn’t the tweet that did it. It was the very moment Sean Gallagher spluttered the word ‘…envelope.’ it was like music to my ears as the crowd jeered him . I knew it was over for him. MMCG saved us from national humiliation. RTE didn’t get in the way for once.
    I have a feeling now Gallagher will look for compensation- which in my eyes will prove yet again he was the wrong person for the job.

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    Nov 25th 2012, 11:28 AM

    privatise rte they get 160million from the rte tax and the same from ad revenue yet they are losing 50million,we dont even have the money to build a childrens hospital the lottery license has to be sold over a 40 year period to pay for the hospital,i dare somebody to go on liveline to discuss this disgusting tv license or rte presenters salaries you wont even get on air,thank god for democracy and journal.ie and the internet.

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    Mute Damien Moore
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    Nov 25th 2012, 1:01 PM

    RTE only makes 160 million from the TV License?! Surely it’s alot higher than that.

    If we take a nice round figure of 1 million licenses x €160, it’s closer to 1.6billion surely?
    According to the household tax figures, there are about 1.5 million houses in Ireland and each one needing a license.

    Either way, Thanks RTE, If not for this little screw up, Michael D. might not have won.

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    Nov 25th 2012, 1:10 PM

    Do you work for the department of finance Damien? You could do with investing in a calculator!

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    Nov 25th 2012, 1:13 PM

    You’re an egg sir!

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    Nov 25th 2012, 11:35 PM

    #Damien…. FAIL.

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    Nov 25th 2012, 12:00 PM

    If someone had sent a tweet alleging something false against Michael D or David Norris I think that would change how most people look at the issue. Or if something similar had happened before a general election it could changed years of government policy would have voted for him only for that debate. Polls had Gallagher ahead so if he’d come true unscathed from the debate he’d probably be president. Even if you think everything worked out for the better surely you’d agree RTE should not have the power to affect national decisions through carelessness or poor standards.

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    Nov 25th 2012, 12:15 PM

    Sean, I agree that RTE should not be biased in any shape or form. They continue on a daily basis to sell FFG/Labour tripe and spin. However, in this case they did the right thing keeping a FF bag-man out of the office of president of Ireland.
    RTE failed to report on a march of over 2500 people in Dublin earlier in the year asking for legislation on the x-case. If they were doing their job as an independent broadcaster, they would have reported on it, and maybe, just maybe, one woman would be alive today that isn’t.

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    Nov 25th 2012, 6:32 PM

    Cal you’re being completely inconsitent in your comment. You’re saying that RTE should never be biased but then your glad they were biased because it stopped somebody that you didn’t like from winning the election. Clearly you’re happy for them to be biased if its not against somebody you like.

    Now I am also glad that Sean Gallagher didn’t win but I don’t accept that its ok for RTE to be biased just to suit my political leanings.

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    Nov 25th 2012, 10:59 AM

    Look what we ended up with?
    Pat Kenny should share space with Sean Quinn

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    Nov 25th 2012, 11:15 AM

    I wouldn’t be surprised if that is what this is about. Sean does love the Irish taxpayer’s cash. He has gotten enough of it over the years. You join other parties if you are interested in politics, you join FF if you are interested in sucking on the State’s teat.

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    Nov 25th 2012, 12:35 PM

    Regardless of what happened the right man became president. Michael D. is a man of real integrity and there isn’t a whiff of sulphur on the man. Nobody can produce any issue of corruption or skulduggery on him over his long career. Along with that he is an experienced diplomat. A human rights campaigner and a gentleman. He is also very bright. Thank God he won.
    RTE made mistakes as only RTE do but Michael D. did nothing wrong.
    The correct result in the end.

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    Nov 25th 2012, 1:18 PM

    “Real integrity”. Could you imagine even Gallagher’s fans using that phrase about him?

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    Nov 25th 2012, 1:30 PM

    i admire Michael D for some of his human rights campaigns, such as his support for the Palestinians,
    but he’s been a loyal Lab/FG hack for 40 years,
    & i’m not a fan of Lab/FG hacks.

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    Nov 25th 2012, 11:21 AM

    RTE a and the media got the result they wanted.

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    Mute DaffodilDaze
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    Nov 25th 2012, 11:45 AM

    and Ireland got the result it needed. Just imagine a Gallagher presidency, enterprising journalists would have a world of material to write about his business dealings, his activities in FF. The reputation of the office would have been in tatters in 6 months.

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    Nov 25th 2012, 3:01 PM

    @ DaffodilDaze

    The media would have been able to write such things – until a FG led possible upcoming privacy bill comes into force and the press will then be severely muzzled!

    See: http://bigginsblog.wordpress.com/2012/11/04/shatter-determined-to-rein-in-media-with-privacy-laws/

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    Nov 25th 2012, 11:11 AM

    I’d like a vote on abolishing the whole presidency thing altogether.

    Do we really need one?

    C’mon now lads.

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    Mute Tom Sweeney
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    Nov 25th 2012, 12:04 PM

    One vote to abolish the Seanad & the Presidency. Flog the Arus to the Arabs

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    Nov 25th 2012, 12:15 PM

    Misinformation from the state broadcaster swung the election. Higgins was elected by r.t.e. who will be accountable for perverting democracy? Pat rabbits seems happy to defend his media friends it seems. Corruption that would have made haughty blush me thinks…

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    Nov 25th 2012, 10:52 AM

    Who cares really?

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    Nov 25th 2012, 1:23 PM

    I still can’t believe that 32% of the electorate still voted for him, even with the benefit of the RTE debate which showed him for what he was. There really are some thick and stupid people living in the country.

    In any case people tend to forget that apart from the fake tweet Gallagher also got destroyed by a businesswoman in the audience who was asking him awkward questions. He then made matters worse by saying on radio the next day that she was a plant from one of the main political parties. Apart from the accusation looking bad from a PR perspective it also riled her into destroying his credibility for the second time when she rang up Pat Kenny to respond.

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    Nov 25th 2012, 11:39 AM

    if it kept that thick out of the park, the licence fee was well worth paying.
    l never voted for Micheal D, and never would have voted for Sean Gallager anyway.

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    Nov 25th 2012, 2:58 PM

    I think it says something about the level of scrutiny (or lack of) that Sean Gallagher had experienced up to that point, considering he was the favourite going into that debate.
    Then one reckless accusation, one blustered response and suddenly everyone wakes up and says “What were we thinking? Of course he shouldn’t be president.”

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    Mute Oisín Ó Dubhláin
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    Nov 25th 2012, 1:45 PM

    No, but Gallaghers failings did.

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    Mute Barry Burke
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    Nov 25th 2012, 5:50 PM

    The debate undermined the credibility of RTE in general. The programme was totally bias in favour of Micheal D thus tarnishing the role his presidency.The inquiry was not broad enough to carry any weight and our good Minister Rabbite should have stayed in his burrow for the input he put into the finding and overall handling of the mess.
    At the moment RTE is playing strum on the referendum calamity and a few other major hit’s our Governing bodies are enmeshed in: Until, they RTE begin to give honest, credible and timely news without their own usually bias’t analysis no one can have any faith in the broadcaster.

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    Nov 25th 2012, 3:03 PM

    RTE, the disreputable elite. Nothing more to say.

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    Mute Alan Coghlan
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    Nov 25th 2012, 4:03 PM

    Why bother – the office is mainly ceremonial unlike the USA where it is an executive one. Michael D is a safe pair of hands and is doing a good job

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    Mute Biggins31
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    Nov 25th 2012, 2:58 PM

    Nope!

    There was NO way I was going to vote for a FF man (Gallagher) in disguise as an independent!
    There was NO way I was going to vote for either of the two religious, far out of date nuts!

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    Nov 25th 2012, 3:11 PM

    Michael Higgins was going to win from ths outset; however the treatment of MMG and others sjows a pure lack of journalistic objectivity and professional integrity. RTE’s spite for the IRA is clear. Marrianne you were inept completely.

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    Nov 25th 2012, 11:18 AM

    well seeing as i knew the outcome 2 years before and the info proved correct. i’d say rte had a hand in it but it was the right outcome for the country.

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    Nov 25th 2012, 3:57 PM

    I don’t see what the fuss is about. Journalists have a responsibility to find out the truth, the problem is not that they found it out in an ethically questionable way but that it took them so long.

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    Nov 25th 2012, 6:24 PM

    The end justifies the means. I’m not sure I entirely agree with that.

    And actually when the facts emerged it was clear that he actually hadn’t taken money on behalf of FF from the man who claimed he had given it to him.

    I’m not unhappy with the result of the election but the truth of this matter was actually that allegation made against him was entirely false!

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    Nov 25th 2012, 3:22 PM

    Yes, for the better. I wasn’t voting for him but woke a few people up who were voting that way. Michael Higgins doing a good job and not using the position for self promotion / importance.

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    Nov 26th 2012, 12:05 AM

    proud to know Sean Gallagher and all i can say he and his wife are the most down to earth people who i respect…No need for the abuse on here

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    Nov 25th 2012, 6:21 PM

    I quite glad that Sean Gallagher did not win the Presidential election but if you look at the facts its clear the outcome was changed by the debate.

    Gallagher had built steady momentum through the last few weeks of the campaign and first led the polls on the Sunday two weeks out from the elections. All through the following week there was a concerted effort by all of his opponents not only to link him to FF but to point out that he was deeply involved in the party during his past. Yet the following Sunday, the last one before the election, he still led by a considerable margin in the polls. There was no sign of any momentum for any of the other candidates that gave an indication that he would be overhauled and there was no sign that people were uncomfortable with the allegation that had been made over the previous week. It was looking likely that he would lead the first count and remain ahead until the final count when he would be elected over Michael D.

    It was only on the Monday night when the Frontline debate happened that his campaign imploded all of them directly part of the Frontline programme and directly related to the allegation put to him on the programme that he had taken money on behalf of Fianna Fail. His reaction to those allegations and that of the the non-SF tweet which was mentioned by Pat Kenny were what lost him the election. Put simply, if the Frontline debate had not taken place on that night we would now be in the second year of a Gallagher presidency.

    As I’ve said at the top I’m glad he didn’t win and I would never have voted for him but even I can acknowledge what happened that night on the Frontline and it did change the outcome.

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    Nov 25th 2012, 4:30 PM

    RTE should be broadcasting on all issues right or wrong and stop pussy footing around the minority who may be hurt by the truth being exposed or by the topic of the day.
    RTE can change peoples preferences by the nature of what they broadcast.
    In this case it may have exposed sean gallagher as a FF bag man. but if RTE were doing the job that they are being paid to do and paid very well at that. in an unbiased way then we would see a lot more than just 1 bag man being exposed.
    and more than half the politicians currently in government would be in prison, the problem with society today is that we the irish people are so excepting of all that is wrong.
    even when the crooks and criminals in power commit acts of treason we forget about it the next day because a new story of treason appears and its only a word in print .
    RTE is the only government owned business that I would have no problem with being privatised at least if we are being ripped off with exoborant TV licence fees by the private sector we might get something half decent programmes to watch as the following is the unabbreviated version of RTE means R= Repeat T=Television E=Eire.

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    Nov 25th 2012, 11:27 PM

    Sean would really need to get a life,, he is a liar, did not carry himself off , and now its the blame game, who would vote a liar in,, oops i voted in enda,, change he said,, labour brown noses from sticking it up endas ,,,,,,he would have fit in well,, got ff back in the door under independents lol,,,, rte had nothing to do with seans demise, he did that all by himself by trying the back door independent way,, his only ticked his out of a pension,, and i am only delighted some old lad got in that cant drain us on a pension,, it will have to be about age now, with the amount we are paying out yearly and for their life line,,,,

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