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A FORMER AMBASSADOR and one of Ireland’s most prominent former civil servants has criticised the government’s decision to close Ireland’s embassy to the Holy See.
Seán Donlon, a former secretary-general at the Department of Foreign Affairs who has also served as Ireland’s ambassador to the United States, said the closure meant Ireland would miss opportunities to have input in Church policies.
“The policies of the Catholic Church are formulated in the Holy See,” Donlon told RTÉ’s Morning Ireland. “Irish bishops are appointed by the Holy See, and Irish bishops are individually responsible to the Holy See for the implementation of that policy.”
For this reason, he said, it was important that Ireland be “adequately represented” in the Vatican, “to fine-tune the policy that’s being formulated, and to be available for co-operation on a daily basis.”
While the Vatican has traditionally refused to accredit ambassadors who are also ambassadors to Italy, Donlon said it was still possible to double up on office accommodation for two separate ambassadors with “two doors in the same building, and two separate plaques”.
Donlon also argued that although Ireland may have been tempted to cut diplomatic ties in the wake of various child abuse scandals, similar moves had been contemplated with the UK in the 1970s at the onset of the Troubles.
Times of political turmoil, he said, were “a time when diplomacy comes into its own”.
Ireland’s new ambassador to the Holy See, who is non-resident in Rome, is David Cooney – who also holds Donlon’s old role as chief civil servant within the Department.
Donlon said Cooney was a sensible appointment, as he had previously been stationed at the Holy See embassy earlier in his career, but that his time would be hampered by the responsibilities of his Department job.
Donlon has also previously acted as a special advisor to then-taoiseach John Bruton, and the Fine Gael advisor on Northern Ireland – further underlining the tensions within FG at the decision by foreign affairs minister Eamon Gilmore, of Labour, to shut the embassy.
It emerged in yesterday’s Sunday Business Post that the Holy See embassy was not among an original list of Irish missions earmarked for closure in a review of government spending earlier last year.
Though the Department of Foreign Affairs made a submission to a comprehensive spending review, in which it suggested closing the embassies in Iran and Timor Leste, the proposal to shut the Vatican one was made at a later date.
A spokeswoman for the Department said the decision to shut the Vatican premises “resulted from a review of overseas missions and the deployment of the Department’s reduced resources carried out by the Department at official level”.
“It did not arise at the initiative of the Tánaiste or any other member of Government,” she said.
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I think the concept is great but considering pills don’t protect from STIs and the rise in STIs particularly of Chlamydia, Gonorrhoea and genital warts I really think it is counter productive to try to buck the trend of condoms. If anything we should be trying to make condoms more accessible and encourage their use to prevent STIs being spread. Double up pill and condom if needs be but don’t avoid the later entirely. Obviously if you are in a committed monogamous relationship the use of condoms can be re-assessed though that also depends on people getting tested prior to having sex and on the fidelity/condom use of their partners.
Condoms are shite though.
Couldn’t see too many women trusting their fellow to take a daily pill. Have to be in the form of an injection administrated by a medical professionals and I’d say most women would have to witness it themselves.
Your problem is that you’ve forgotten that this isn’t for women – it’s for men.
As it stands, men have to trust that women won’t forget or “forget” to take their pill. If women don’t like having to trust someone else with something so important to them; welcome to our world.
This would be the first temporary contraceptive that men can use unilaterally. It would go some way toward addressing the enormous imbalance that exists in the spheres of fertility and parenting
You seem to be forgetting that it the woman that gets pregnant and all that entails so I don’t think it’s unreasonable on her behalf that she feels fully protected. Also I think you’ll find with an attitude like that you could find the only action you be getting will be with your right hand.
Be a good catholic and pull out
Come again?
This is a very important step towards gender equality! Think about how many forms of contraception are available for women and how many of those options have horrible side effects, short term or long term, because they change hormonal balances in the body. The pill, implant, IUD and Nuvaring to name a few. Great to see the playing field levelled.
Absolutely noway would I ever take any chemical that interferes with the natural process in my balls.
‘Look, it’s perfectly safe, no harmful side effects whatsoever’
Yeah sure.
but yet Jack I bet you expect a woman too.
What a woman does with her balls is her business.
It’s quite different to the female pill, I’d have concerns until good long term research is done. The pill is tried and trusted – but is still known to have caused stroke in some form in some women.
There are women who don’t like the idea of taking it and that’s fine – it’s wrong to criticise a man for having the same concerns.
Men won’t get it. Especially not if they have to go to a doctor to get a prescription. We’re stubborn like that.
Well I must admit this issue always makes me smile and cry. Unless they build into the male pill a deliberate side effect, such as a glowing nose; would you trust a boyfriend who says, “I’ve taken my pill darling”. What exactly do they mean by “a low risk of side effects”. In comparison to the female pill, does it clot the blood less? Mabey it’s just a class two carcinogenic, rather than its female equivalent, which is a class one, up there with asbestos. Or perhaps it dosent have the same effects in reducing libido, and greatly reducing fertility after use. Oh and of course the men don’t actually get pregnant if they slightly get the timing incorrect, actually they don’t get pregnant the 5% of times it fails. Finally is is not the men who will be having the abortion because of failed contraception. At present its just 65%of abortions are attributed to failed contraceptives, it will be sad watching this increase, just because men are willing to lie, and women are willing to believe, those who don’t love them enough to avoid having sex, when they are not willing to have a child together as a result of lovemaking. “O, what a tangled web we weave when first we practise to deceive!”
It makes you smile, yeah? Sure it does.
Let’s be honest here Paddy.
Even if contraception was 100% effective without a single potential side-effect you’d STILL be against it because as far as you’re concerned sex should only occur within marriage and for the soul purpose of procreation so do me a favour and feck off with your false concern as to the long term side-effects of what was probably the best thing to ever happen to women. You don’t care! You probably think an increased risk of some cancers (and actually a decreased risk of others funnily enough) is god’s punishment to those evil women that try to “twart” his plan for them to be brood mares.
@Tricia Golden In reality, someone who finds it necessary to use expletives to make a simple point, don’t need a reply. But the point is that this “medicine”, is deadly, and is the only medicine human beings take to make a perfectly working natural function, stop working. The only medicine we take because were healthy. I believe relationships between men and women are complicated enough, without demanding from our women that they walk the gauntlet of the pill, just because we don’t love them enough to have a child with them. And of course this is “freedom”. I can only hope you don’t feel like that “brood mare” (your expression). I can of course accept your anger in this issue. It (the pill) has of course led to the mass exploitation of one of women’s greatest gifts to humanity. It greatly increased divorce in society, and has led to the breakdowns in society of marriage and family. I wonder, based on our experience to date, will the male pill make us a better, more caring society. Turning this debate to religion, just means there is no reply to the issues I raised. Head in sand, and plough on.
You’re right, I didn’t need a response.
I know precisely where you stand.
In the past.
You and your outdated opinions are (thankfully) being consigned to history.
And the world is a better place because of it.
@ Tricia Golden When I see such astringency towards the views of others, I recognise it as a natural reaction of a people, who know they are been deceived, but are incapable of rising above that which is the source of their angst. What you choose to believe, is your own concern; what I believe is mine. What I believe does not gag you, so carry on. It’s a sad people who believe they know everything, and have nothing to learn from previous generations. It’s also sad that the dangers of the pill are so simply brushed aside, for the convenience of the moment.
Sure Paddy, you know us all SO well.
Think I’ll go and donate to one of those charity’s you hate. You know, the ones that recognise that women are not not only here to procreate.
@ Tricia Golden Do you mean someone like Planned Parenthood (PP). The ones supplying human livers and hearts and lungs, from the non-human human beings? The most under-reported scandal of the past month. It appears from the response by PP, that society really ought to revise the negative portrail of one of films adorable role models, Hannibal Lecter. In a parallel statement PP said they have a wide portfolia of investments, including beans and wines, on the commodities market. “I ate his liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti.” – one purchaser was heard to remark. May God have Mercy on us who fail to cry out at this outrage. But you carry on with your donations!
I HAVE donated to Planned Parenthood in the past and I will again in the future. As someone who plans on donating their body to science I don’t take issue with fetal cells being used to save lives. I hope my body can be used after my death to help as many people as possible.
But no, this time I donated to the Abortion Support Network.
Until I spoke to you today I hadn’t been planning a donation so I’m sure they would like to thank you.
Fortunately, we are all only responsible for our own actions.
No
Would never use it personally. I don’t like the idea of using something that alters the chemistry of my body over a long term.
Would be a great development for the dole class though. Make the men have to use contraception in order to claim their dole. Reduce the amount of scroungers born. Win win.
why not just hammer away? fook contraception
Might still cause pregnancies but cause birth defects, I thought that they already invented this in the U.K. or were testing it. It is a tablet they stick into the male butt like they do for testosterone implants?
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