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Call for Tuam Town Hall to remove memorial to Irish Confederate major

Shaun Cunniffe said that the plaque should be removed to a museum so that people can discuss the issues around it.

A GALWAY COUNCILLOR says he wants to see a memorial on Tuam Town Hall to an Irish confederate removed.

Independent Councillor Shaun Cunniffe told local newspaper the Connacht Tribune that he wants to see the memorial to Major Dick Dowling taken off the building.

Speaking to TheJournal.ie, he said his attention had been brought to the memorial given the recent racist rallies in Charlottesville.

“Having thought about it I think it’s fair to say that even though he was a great businessman and civic leader, [he was] a successful Confederate in the army. The whole point of the Confederate war was to support slavery in the South.”

Dick_Dowling_Plaque_Tuam Clint Malpaso / Wikimedia Commons/CC Clint Malpaso / Wikimedia Commons/CC / Wikimedia Commons/CC

He pointed out that the bronze memorial is in the military name of Major Dick Dowling.

“And we’re commemorating his prowess as a military person and so I think it isn’t really appropriate that we leave that on our town hall. Now but that said, I would just like it removed somewhere more appropriate. He was a significant figure from Tuam and it is in Houston where there were streets named after him.”

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Dowling was born in the townland of Knockballyvishteal in Milltown near Tuam in Co Galway in 1837, to a tenant farming couple. After they were evicted from their home in 1845, he moved to New Orleans with his older sister.  His parents followed them a few years later, but succumbed to yellow fever.

He moved to Houston from New Orleans, and went on to open a number of saloons. He was also involved with an Irish militia company, which became part of the Confederate Army, and Dowling was elected First Lieutenant. He was stationed at the Sabine Pass where he foiled an attempted invasion by federal troops.

Dowling was commended for his actions during the battle, and after the war he returned to Houston to grow his businesses. He died aged 30 due to yellow fever and is buried in Houston.

A statue was commissioned of Dowling in 1905 and is currently situated in Hermann Park. The city’s Dowling Street was also named after him, but a petition to rename it to Emancipation Avenue was successful.

Cunniffe said that Dowling’s role in the American Civil War “needs to be commemorated and perhaps discussed as an item – it is an historic fact that he fought in the war”.

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“Because the strange thing was his story, they were evicted in 1845 in the Famine and the whole family went to America, and he would have suffered huge injustice and disenfranchisement. And you just think god, [why] when he himself is a great business person he would wish to uphold slavery.”

He said Dowling’s role shouldn’t be sanitised, but should be discussed and analysed.

Control of the plaque comes under the Municipal Authority of Tuam, which is due to meet on 11 September. Cunniffe said that at this meeting he will ask to have the issue added to the agenda.

“It will be interesting to hear all views and historical input” on the issue, he said.

9709413536_6a0bc6cef7_z A memorial to the Battle of Sabine Pass. Jill Carlson Jill Carlson

The plaque was put in place on the town hall in Tuam in 1998 and Cunniffe said that to his recollection, there was no discussion regarding whether it would be appropriate or not.

“It celebrated that a person from our area did so well in business and was a civic leader and unfortunately really we didn’t consciously clearly [think] that the civil war was about one of the most fundamental rights of freedom. It didn’t seem for one reason or another to be discussed.”

He said that the town could also contact the authorities in Houston and explain what they intend on doing with the plaque.

“It is important that it is remembered from there, but but I would like to see it put somewhere where it can be viewed in context and maybe used as a discursive piece,” concluded Cunniffe of the plaque.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 6:14 PM

    Definitely not an opportunist trying to raise his profile.

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    Mute Richard Cronin
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    Aug 19th 2017, 6:20 PM

    @Beachmaster: or is it the journal with a local newspaper article

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    Aug 19th 2017, 6:28 PM

    @Beachmaster: what a knob this guy must be!

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    Aug 19th 2017, 6:38 PM

    @Gus Sheridan: Major dick

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    Aug 19th 2017, 7:04 PM

    @Beachmaster: precisely

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    Aug 19th 2017, 9:59 PM

    @Beachmaster: Does the councilor and Journal think Downling was a far right racist and bigot? The war was not started because of slavery. Its not, big Abe then US president wasn’t an abolitionist nor did he believe blacks should have equal rights to whites. Its not revisionist history to say it was about the right to succession from the states and the enforcement of the federal government expansion. The North ultimately started the war. Black soldiers were not paid tge same as white soldiers. Nor were there granted freedom a good two years into the war.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 10:19 PM

    @Shawn O’Ceallaghan: were they paid? The confederacy for ably took free men and forced them to fight for free

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    Aug 19th 2017, 6:19 PM

    Yep
    Just erase history FFS
    How will people learn from mistakes if we take everything down

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    Aug 19th 2017, 6:22 PM

    @Denis White: because it’s offends some people, therefore we should take it down.. We have to bend to their will, that’s the way it is, it’s only right we listen to the few and not the many.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 6:25 PM

    @Acedeuce: many not the few you mean? Anyway numbers shouldn’t matter. Right should.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 6:33 PM

    @Denis White: It’s not erasing anything but a public memorial exists to celebrate an individual which in this case is in poor taste given the evil he was fighting for.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 6:53 PM

    @Denis White: if all records of his existence were destroyed, that would be erasing history. Taking a statue glorifying him for defending slavery down is not.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 6:55 PM

    @Acedeuce: Yup, lots of tails trying to wag lots of dogs.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 7:05 PM

    @Warthog: where’s your petition for more Hitler statues? How will people ever know of his horrific ways without statues?

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    Aug 19th 2017, 7:10 PM

    @Denis White: books?

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    Aug 19th 2017, 7:14 PM

    @Scott Crossfield: hey, I never thought of that. Nah, reading is for losers, we need big massive erecting that nobody can avoid. That’s the new slogan, “The alt-right Defenders of Erections”

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    Aug 19th 2017, 7:16 PM

    @Acedeuce: I think we should knock every church, school, government building, sports club, etc because there is surely somebody offended in some way by these institutions. In fact, I don’t like my neighbour so I’m just gonna knock their house. I’m entitled to it.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 7:24 PM

    @Andy Dwyer: Yeah, that’s exactly what these people want. You’re either not paying attention or you’re deliberately missing the point.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 7:36 PM

    @Denis White: By that logic, they should have left the Wall up in Berlin.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 7:47 PM

    @Rochelle: You again? I thought you found something better to do with your time but alas your back. Anyway hiding statues is not going to erase history. However to educate kids you need visual things like pics and statues so just leave it there. Also we have to have history so we can improve the future.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 7:54 PM

    @Acedeuce: then pull down auzwitz

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    Aug 19th 2017, 8:10 PM

    @Scott Crossfield:

    And when they have finished with the statues and come for the books? What then?

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    Aug 19th 2017, 8:15 PM

    @Les Boyd: Couldn’t even go to the bother of googling the correct spelling of ‘Auschwitz’ could you ? Do you think for a second that if the survivors, or when they’re gone the Jewish people wanted it pulled down and the ground sown with salt that there’d be a trace of it left ? It only exists because they want it to exist…. Maybe we should apply the same logic to those bloody statues….

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    Aug 19th 2017, 8:26 PM

    @Lucy: But Lucy I am sure it “Offends” the Germans, so going by the logic of removing statues and Monuments that are offensive to some, then it too should be removed if that rational is applied.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 8:32 PM

    @Denis White: In Germany all Third Reich memorials and statues were taken down after the war. The Nazi flag and all its symbols remain forbidden. Instead memorials were erected to commemorate the millions that were murdered. History is still very much tought, and not erased, especialy to learn from past mistakes. However, keeping up statues that glorify those that perpetrated evil is taking it too far! How would the Irish feel still having to walk past statues glorifying past Enlish oppressors?! Same thing.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 8:34 PM

    @Mick Jordan: you’re now comparing a monument to holocaust remembrance centres, can you not see the difference?

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    Aug 19th 2017, 8:45 PM

    @Dave O Keeffe: No Dave what I am doing is applying the exact same reasons for it’s removal as are being used for the Statues.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 8:48 PM

    @Jayne Revell: Spot on. In Germany, taking down monuments glorifying Nazism didn’t mean they came “for the books” next. Taking down monuments of Saddam Hussein didn’t mean young Iraqis weren’t taught who he was and what he did.

    Public veneration of those who fought for the Confederate States of America is bizarre, these people didn’t do anything to deserve public monuments, in fact their actions warrant criticism rather than adoration. That has absolutely no relevance to the fact that they will still be mentioned in history class.

    This is the slippery slope fallacy gone wild.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 8:56 PM

    @Dave O Keeffe: Those that say yes remove them from public parks and squares and put them in Museums are setting a precedent. And if they are in Museums and people say I still find them offensive and they are removed. Then they say I find that reference in that book offensive do we burn the books? And if you refuse to remove them from the museum or you refuse to burn that book, they accuse you of being a Racist and or White Nationalist even though you are neither because you oppose the destruction of a history they find offensive.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 9:07 PM

    @Mick Jordan: And you have to wonder how many people actually find them offensive. Not many I suspect as they just blend into the background like every other statue.

    Maybe doing something to constructive to make peoples lives better would be more constructive.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 9:09 PM

    @Mick Jordan: I believe Malachi has already given several examples of your slippery slope not happening. Don’t be a sucker, sucker.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 9:26 PM

    @Dave O Keeffe:In 50 or 100 years time if you ask a young Iraqi who was Saddam will they know? And as Lavbeer has said who is venerating these statues. If you were to have asked most people before all this began what they thought of the Statue in their local park, the vast majority would have replied that they gave it no thought what so ever.
    I guarantee you if you asked most people that walked through, held picnics or relaxed in St Stephens Green what Statues are in the park they wouldn’t have a clue who they were or what the represented. They would know that they are there but not why or who.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 9:26 PM

    @Mick Jordan: The statues aren’t being torn down because they simply offend people. They’re being torn down because they misrepresent the history of those they represent. They glorify them as noble leaders fighting for a glorious cause instead of traitors who fought to preserve a repugnant ideology … one that still inspires followers today. Black people are still beaten and killed today as a direct result of the ideology of racial superiority that the people represented by those statues thought important enough to fight and die for . Saying that they don’t represent racial superiority is like saying that a statue of Christ simply represents a guy who died for his beliefs and doesn’t represent the ideology of Christianity…

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    Aug 19th 2017, 9:27 PM

    @lavbeer: Yeah, they mean so little to people that white supremacist travelled from all around North America to defend them. Way to go there, you really proved that point.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 9:31 PM

    @Lucy: But they are being torn down precisely because a minority of the community are offended. And that is not my view but of Black Americans whose organisations such as the NAACP have already stated as such.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 9:33 PM

    @Dave O Keeffe:

    Is the banning of Fanny Hill and its removal from U of London curriculum, not an example of, if not a slippery slope, but a broadening of the left’s offensive front? How about the Merchant of Venice?

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    Aug 19th 2017, 9:35 PM

    @Dave O Keeffe: what a ridiculous comment. The unite the right rally after what in hindsight was a hard sell and court cases to get licenses attracted about a 1000 people. The people who travelled it would be interesting to get a profile why. On both sides. Spoiling for a fight.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 9:38 PM

    @Dave O Keeffe: The Alt Right are defending because they have become a cause for them to rally around. Before these statues became an issue they had very little to get behind and to unite the differing groups that make up the Alt Right. Like the Anarchist Left the Alt Right don’t give a crap about history. Both sides are using them as a tool yo unite their supporters and tho whos sympathies lay in either direction.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 10:02 PM

    @Mick Jordan: funny, it was the alt-right that made these statues more of a prominent issue.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 10:04 PM

    @Denis White: They have these things called books now.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 10:08 PM

    @Mick Jordan: let’s see, it’s been over 70 years since Hitler, do you think German children don’t know who he is?

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    Aug 19th 2017, 10:09 PM

    @Cian Nolan: There are parts of the Berlin wall left up on purpose as a reminder of it for future generations and presently is a major tourist attraction there. I suggest you visit.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 10:11 PM

    @TheoWolfe: I know you’re not one for facts but here, have a read https://www.theguardian.com/books/2017/aug/15/fanny-hill-ban-university-trigger-warnings-judith-hawley

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    Aug 19th 2017, 10:13 PM

    @TheoWolfe: internet?

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    Aug 19th 2017, 10:22 PM

    @Dave O Keeffe: Dave the Statues became the focal point for the Alt Right after calls for their removal not before. After the Dylann Roof massacre it was the the calls for the removal of all confederate flags and statues began.Because he had used the Confederate Battle Flag as a backdrop to a selfie picture.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 10:33 PM

    @Dave O Keeffe: You could ask the same question of Stalin. In Russia Stalin’s memory is being reformed. Butcher 30 million people and 70 years after his death he is once more being used by Russian Nationalists as a iconic figure. In Germany any form of Nazi symbolism is illegal. Most Germans feel nothing but shame for that era of their history. Will they feel the same shame in 150 years time the same amount of time since the US Civil war? Who knows what the future will bring.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 10:33 PM

    @Mick Jordan: Dylann Roof was alt-right. He was the starting point. Well done you, gold star.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 10:38 PM

    @Mick Jordan: you initially said 50 to 100 years now you’re moving the goalposts because you know that children in Germany know who Hitler was. Guess what, some of them will still be alive 150 years after WWII.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 10:42 PM

    @Dave O Keeffe:

    Are you seriously citing the Gruaniad as a source, few take it seriously in such matters. I think there is a bit of back-peddling here.

    But this comment in the piece is revealing;

    “The problem with teaching Fanny Hill is not to do with sex, but power. When senior academics make a work of pornography a set text, they should attend to the power relations implicit in the pedagogic relationship and be aware that students can feel coerced.”

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    Aug 19th 2017, 10:49 PM

    @TheoWolfe: I was giving you quotes from the person whose decision it was. If you don’t like it that’s fine but don’t then turn around and quote the source that I provided that you don’t trust back to me.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 10:56 PM

    @Dave O Keeffe: If you read what I said you will also know I said 50 – 100 in relation to Iraqi children. The 150 term was about German children, and will be due in 80 years time. So the only one trying to move goal posts is you.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 11:08 PM

    @Mick Jordan: Yeah, you also made your point about them being a record of history redundant by saying that people who frequently pass the same statues have no idea who the statues are of. Also, what makes Iraq’s national memory worse than Germany’s? Germany are 70 years removed from their murderous dictator, and like I said those alive now, some will be alive at your arbitrary 150 year only for Germans mark.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 11:19 PM

    @Dave O Keeffe: So if they are redundant why remove them. They are as much works of Art as any other kind. Those made of Bronze show the Art of Bronze casting those of Stone, Stone carving. Kile I stated elsewhere should the Romanians remove Statues of Vlad Tepes because what he did is offensive to some? Should Aztec or Mayan temples be torn down because they were built for Human Sacrifice in religious rituals? The Colosseum should it be torn down because it was built exclusively to hold Gladiatorial Games for public entertainment? (most Gladiators being Slaves)

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    Aug 19th 2017, 11:33 PM

    @Dave O Keeffe: Thats your remit, go ask your Muslims brothers who helped the little corporal in his final solution. BTW both Hitler and Muhammad had many things in common but what is interesting in that both suffered from The Messiah and God complexes at one time or another.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 11:45 PM

    @Dave O Keeffe:

    When you cite that paper (I use the term lightly), I think it needs to be pointed out how low in esteem it is regarded.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 11:52 PM

    @Dave O Keeffe: “None are so Blind that will not see”. When Dylann Roof carried out the massacre in that South Carolina Church he had one agenda. He wanted to start a race war. When the calls for the removal of the Confederate Flags and Statues went out it gave the Alt Right a cause to unite around. That in turn gave the Left a focus. And so we enter the conflict stage where both sides look for excuses to attack the other. Charlottesville was one of those excuses. Roof must be delighted. What he wanted is becoming a reality. All because of a few forgotten statues that nobody had paid any heed to in years.

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    Aug 20th 2017, 2:19 AM

    @Mick Jordan: “In 50 or 100 years time if you ask a young Iraqi who was Saddam will they know”

    Yes. Saddam killed far too many people to be forgotten that quickly – monuments have far less of an effect on the public perception of history than whole families being wiped off the face of the earth.

    “who is venerating these statues”

    Having a monument in a public place is essentially venerating the person. It’s a fairly permanent place in the public arena dedicated to this person’s memory. You’re right that many people don’t know anything about the monuments, but I prefer to take a principled approach – if they were vile people or fought for vile principles, then who cares how many people are ignorant?

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    Aug 20th 2017, 5:57 AM

    @TheoWolfe: so why then would you yourself cute it? Either it’s garbage and unreliable or it’s good enough for you to quite but not for me to quote, make up your mind.

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    Aug 20th 2017, 6:04 AM

    @Warthog: what are you even talking about? You always enter a conversation by talking about something that is way off topic and is also not evidenced. It’s impossible to even know what you’re replying to because you don’t make a rational contribution. My Muslim brothers? Funnily enough as I’ve said before the alt-right and ISIS have alot in common, the same beliefs, the same poison propaganda, and the same tactics for killing those that disagree with them, they just have different enemies.

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    Aug 20th 2017, 6:08 AM

    @Mick Jordan: wake up, the cause they are uniting behind is Dylann Roof, the statues are just a symbol of that. As, statues being both important for history and entirely redundant were your points, not mine therefore it’s not up to me to defend either one of them. You said both.

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    Aug 20th 2017, 6:29 AM

    @lavbeer: how is it ridiculous to point out that white supremacists travelled from all over North America to attend the event? It’s true. Police estimated two to six thousand attended the Unite the Right march.

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    Aug 20th 2017, 7:39 AM

    @Denis White: Did you ever hear of a book? Great little things they are..

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    Aug 20th 2017, 8:11 AM

    @Robbie Patterson: is that one of them things you get on your phone?

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    Aug 19th 2017, 6:20 PM

    Time for the PC brigade to PO….

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    Aug 19th 2017, 7:42 PM

    @Johnnie Sexton: I agree this councillor is embarrassing himself and the country. He needs to understand the difference between todays thinking and what occurred a couple of hundred years ago. What a waste of space.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 9:01 PM

    @Johnnie Sexton: You should set up a petition to have a statue of Hitler erected in Tralee, just so people don’t forget The Nazis and try and erase our European history.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 9:12 PM

    @Atheos Euripides: Why would Tralee erect a statue of Adolf? After all Adolf was Austrian. Unlike Dowling who came from Ireland……

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    Aug 19th 2017, 9:28 PM

    @Kerry Blake: why does Charlottesville have a statue of Robert E. Lee?

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    Aug 19th 2017, 9:49 PM

    @Dave O Keeffe: He is from Virginia and was very much a state first country second type of person from my albeit limited reading.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 9:52 PM

    @Kerry Blake: Because Johnnie is from Tralee and wants to honour mass murderers.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 10:06 PM

    @lavbeer: so nothing to do with Charlottesville then. Why not move the statue to his families plantation? It’s already designated a landmark and actually has a connection to him.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 11:06 PM

    @Dave O Keeffe: but you surely would have to apply that to everything? Unless you are applying your opinion to the decision making process. Times and governments changes and with that opinion. Take a statue – it makes no difference to people who need help. Just those looking for an angle. As mentioned earlier by Mick I think – what statues are in Stephens Green (am paraphrasing here) but people don’t know or care

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    Aug 19th 2017, 11:38 PM

    @Kerry Blake: he’s obviously a langer

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    Aug 20th 2017, 1:03 AM

    @Atheos Euripides: never knew Hitler was a tralee man….. twit

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    Aug 20th 2017, 1:07 AM

    @Atheos Euripides: you really are a class A git lad.

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    Aug 20th 2017, 6:35 AM

    @lavbeer: the decision making process? The Lee statue in Charlottesville was paid for by a citizen on private property. The land was donated to the cite afterwards. There was no public decision making process.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 6:16 PM

    This is getting silly. Right and wrong things happened in the past learn from them and move on. If the memorial has been up this long then leave it. Banks made a fortune from the slave trade but no one is suggesting they pay money back.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 6:22 PM

    @Gillian Weir Scully: this is where political correctness becomes tyrannical

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    Aug 19th 2017, 7:07 PM

    @John Mullan: nothing to do with PC. Just an idiot trying to get his name i the paper

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    Aug 19th 2017, 6:19 PM

    There’s a right noisy bandwagon rolling at the moment

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    Aug 19th 2017, 9:49 PM

    @Dave O’Hanlon: He’s just another trendy-pretendy lib jumping from one faux outrage to the next. Ridiculous. Tell you what, let’s have no baddies in the history books or in museums. Generally Irish officers in foreign conflicts led Irish battalions, in a wild geese tradition, it not up to some g0bsh’te who wasn’t there to come along years and years later to judge their reasoning.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 6:33 PM

    Ok. Let’s take down all the oppressors castles. Let’s change all our street names. Let’s stop talking English at midnight tonight.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 6:55 PM

    @Paul: I thouyght that it was just an objection to statues of obscure and largely forgotten military characters.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 7:32 PM

    @Micheal OLainn: Tony’s back. Hiw are your guests?

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    Aug 19th 2017, 6:16 PM

    This nonsense is just getting ridiculous now. If we look hard enough we can find something bad about everyone in our history. Do we remove everything in case we offend someone?

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    Aug 19th 2017, 6:55 PM

    @P C: I think not. It depends on how the figure is being used

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    Aug 19th 2017, 7:09 PM

    @P C: I would hope you wouldn’t have to look too hard to find why slavery and defending slavery is particularly bad though…

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    Aug 19th 2017, 8:38 PM

    @P C: maybe it would be a good idea to put monuments of these people in the places they lived and worked, you know fir historical accuracy

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    Aug 19th 2017, 8:42 PM

    @Diolún Ó hUigínn: I am sure you like me and most people would be disgusted and offended at Human Sacrifice. As such should people not want Mayan and Aztec temples torn down as they were built for the purpose of Human Sacrifice during religious ceremonies? That is the logic at play here. Human history is full of vile and nasty acts. Take the Statues of Vlad Tepis (aka Vlad the Impaler) in Romania. Hailed as a national hero in Romania, yet impaled thousands of his own countrymen as an abject lesson to the Ottoman Turks. Should his statues be removed because some people may be offended by what he did?

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    Aug 19th 2017, 10:03 PM

    @Martin Byrne: what about German manufacturers during WW2. Used and abused Jews as basically slave labour. We still buy volkswagon and ford cars and we still wear addidas and Puma clothes. At least have standards when you start censoring and boycoting.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 10:04 PM

    @Dave O Keeffe: limited by parish? Town? State? Where do you draw that line? And then how do you decide whose opinion should be taken as truth.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 10:23 PM

    @lavbeer: well for example Lee’s family plantation is already designated a landmark, why not move the statue there? It’s actually a place that has a connection to him! Wow, imagine that! Let’s not forget, his statue was put up in private land and then the land was donated to the city.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 10:54 PM

    @lavbeer: facts are easy to come by.If one looks hard enough.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 6:30 PM

    My God. What clowns get elected as councillars ?! Spose it worked for the notice serking guy because he got his name in the papers you people you The Journal are so hard pressed for copy that the publisise his infantile suggestions.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 6:33 PM

    Should all statues of DeValera be taken down….There are a few….After all he lost a civil war…..

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    Aug 19th 2017, 7:48 PM

    @John003: And betrayed Michael Collins

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    Aug 20th 2017, 2:29 PM

    @Mary Murphy:
    How did he betray Michael Collins, pray?
    I guess now I see the effects of not teaching history in the schools.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 6:35 PM

    Mr Cunniffe just Trying to highlight himself.
    What a knobend.jumping on de bandwagon.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 7:11 PM

    Do anyone else think that a fair share of county counsellors are a bit on the simple side ?

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    Aug 19th 2017, 7:45 PM

    @Mick Johnson: Only a fair share????????????

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    Aug 19th 2017, 6:44 PM

    Tuam…?
    Hows about him campaign for a memorial at the mass burial site?
    Eh remember that one…

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    Aug 19th 2017, 7:57 PM

    @Harry Jackson: How about a statue of John Charles McQuaid ?

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    Aug 19th 2017, 7:16 PM

    I suppose we’ll get rid of the month of July since it’s named after Julius Caesar and he did mean things

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    Aug 19th 2017, 6:44 PM

    Is there no end to the madness?

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    Aug 19th 2017, 10:51 PM

    @TheoWolfe: the professionals can help you, if you let them.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 11:40 PM

    @Dave O Keeffe:

    Is that ad hominem remark meant to be serious or a failed attempt at humour?

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    Aug 20th 2017, 1:37 AM

    @TheoWolfe: i thought it was funny. Your comment was vague and boring…its probably how ye are told to speak.
    Daves comment kinda dismissed your useless comment then.

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    Aug 20th 2017, 4:14 AM

    @Stephen Coveney: nope it was rubbish as was yours

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    Aug 20th 2017, 9:15 AM

    @TheoWolfe: I assumed you were referring to your personal madness. You weren’t very clear.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 6:24 PM

    Is this fella trying to make a name for himself or what. This is political correctness gone mad.
    Would he demand the stars n stripes be banned in Ireland due to the huge numbers of Irish US Cavalry men who raped, tortured n butchered countless thousands of native Americans.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 6:26 PM

    Headline should be PC brigade wants knee jerk reaction.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 6:54 PM

    @Declan Byrne: I like the Mac and Android tablets.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 7:18 PM

    @Micheal OLainn: Ha Ha very good.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 7:10 PM

    Welcome to the liberal dystopia – don’t say I didn’t warn you.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 7:14 PM

    @Emmet Dillane: OMG, obscure statues under threat. Alt-right, fundamentalists and far right in a tizzy of despair.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 6:18 PM

    Reminds me of the time someone proposed a monument to Che Guevara in Salthill. I opposed it then, and I’m of the opinion we should do so now. But I’d specifically wait for the black community of Texas to request it be removed.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 8:55 PM

    @Colm Flaherty: With a small bit of chisel work the Major could be transformed into Che, everybody wins.
    My plan B is to remove the tash and say its Pearse from the front, who’s to say its not.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 7:38 PM

    I’m offended by the word offended. I demand that it be removed from the dictionary now before I cry and stamp my feet.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 6:50 PM

    Tuam…?
    Hows about him campaign for a memorial at the mass burial site?
    Eh remember that one…

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    Aug 19th 2017, 7:09 PM

    @Harry Jackson: I know… we’ll put up a monument to those who died as a result of the greatest human rights violations this state has ever known while keeping a memorial to someone who fought to keep violating the human rights of 4 million men, women and children in slavery in another country. Maybe they could be placed side by side for juxtaposition…. The Irish are great at that kind of hypocrisy…

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    Aug 19th 2017, 7:34 PM

    Sanitising history is akin to censorship. Nobody agrees with slavery but would it not be incumbent on the councillor to do the job he was elected to do instead of indulging in self-aggrandisement.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 6:40 PM

    This is spreading like a virus, you can not sanitise history. There is not a peoples,colour,creed,religion,nation on this planet who have not went to war, butchered, pillaged, plundered or en-slaved. There is not a single black person alive in Texas who was a slave. I might head on over to England and demand they remove every single image and statue of Cromwell because I am offended.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 6:48 PM

    @John Mc Grath: The folks in Texas wanted slavery to remain forever in time..On a serious note,what oppression have you suffered as a white man living in Ireland-due to Cromwell ? Were you segregated ? Police shoot you ? Any lead poisoning? I haven’t time to go through it all..

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    Aug 19th 2017, 7:02 PM

    @Francis Mc Carthy: The folks in the past wanted slavery to remain, its in the past and that’s my point, I suffered feck all because of Cromwell so it would be absurd for me to be offended for what happened to my ancestors wouldn’t it? Also as a white man I am incapable of suffering didn’t you know my skin gives me supper powers so when my loved ones die I am unaffected, I can’t be poor or suffer metal health issues, I am a group and not an individual its great really.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 7:32 PM

    @John Mc Grath: But you haven’t had any laws made against you as a race;laws where you weren’t held equal as a white person.In fact,you weren’t even seen as a citizen..How far can you go back in regards your family history ? Ask an African American living in America the very same question and see what answers that you get back…You see John,African Americans are still suffering from the legacy of slavery right up to this present day,but white folks do have a habit of getting all triggered when this little fact is mentioned to them..

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    Aug 19th 2017, 7:48 PM

    @Francis Mc Carthy: I’ll think if you look really hard you will find laws were made against the Irish when we were ruled by the British…..

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    Aug 19th 2017, 7:51 PM

    @Francis Mc Carthy: Ireland is the only country in the world which has less people now then in the 1800′s due to the genocide and forced movement of people that took place during the famine. We lost our language because of what was done. There were plenty of laws made against Irish people, there was time when we were considered sub human and I still wouldn’t demand the removal of statues. I have a lot of sympathy for what happened to black people in American history, but how many extremely rich black Americans are suffering the affects of slavery today?How many laws still discriminate? Also White people are not some homogeneous group, I have an Identity and it is not tied my skin colour or my gender.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 8:04 PM

    @Francis Mc Carthy: But but but slavelyyyyyy. It’s not the 1800s anymore Francis.
    It’s not because of slavery 70% of African American children are raised in single parent homes.
    It’s not because of slavery the top 3 cities with the highest murder rate are predominantly African American.
    It’s not because of slavery African American rap music is riddled with violence, sex and drug taking.
    White privilege is nothing more than a black crutch.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 8:17 PM

    @Francis Mc Carthy: surely your point re Cromwell and oppression could be applied to a black person today. How does the suffering their ancestors went through affect these people today? Irish people told grow up and move on with regards to the cruelty our ancestors were suffering less than 100 years ago. If we are told move on why isn’t the same said to black people when they mention slavery? Or Jew’s when they mention the holocaust?

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    Aug 19th 2017, 8:18 PM

    @Francis Mc Carthy:

    Slavery has been around for as long as there have been human societies, yet the one country that abolished it pretty early in its existence, after only 90 years, is the one held to ransom by such idiotic tantrums.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 8:31 PM

    @Dj: Oh look who it is :)

    Would Nixon and his war on drugs have had anything to do with that >music man ?
    Are black men stopped more frequently by the police >music man?
    Would a black man get a higher sentence for the same drug crime as a white man > music man?
    Would a black woman be financially better off single than being married> music man ?
    Did Redlining have anything to do with the African American ending up being segregated > music man ?
    Does being segregated from the rest of the community & living in third world conditions not make murder rates higher than a white area > music man ?
    When a white person is in prison do they get the best of training facilities whilst the black man in prison get’s next to none >music man ?
    Would a white man with a felon get called back to a job interview before a black man with a degree . music man

    Would you like any more facts >music man ?

    Have to go out for awhile ..you can post away triggered white privileged boys :)

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    Aug 19th 2017, 8:33 PM

    @TheoWolfe: I’ve a list there for you to gawk at Theodore :)

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    Aug 19th 2017, 8:35 PM

    @John Mc Grath & Kerry ..you give some good & valid points to me & I took them on board…If you feel like commenting on the list that I provided ,,feel free :)

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    Aug 19th 2017, 8:44 PM

    @Francis Mc Carthy:

    Don’t like being shown that the regressive left is one side of the same coin as ISIS. I don’t blame you for being embarrassed by that.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 9:14 PM

    @Francis Mc Carthy: Segregated! It’s not the 5os anymore Francis. Walk into any black separist meeting and ask if they would like mixing with those white folk. You might be surprised with their answer. And third world conditions?. Really. You want to see Africans in third world conditions take a trip over to Nairobi!. No welfare or planned parenthood there. Maybe African American communities might be in better shape if they didn’t burn them down when they don’t agree with court decisions!.
    Enjoy your evening :-)

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    Aug 19th 2017, 10:18 PM

    @Dj: What do you mean that it is not segregated anymore >music man ? Are you ingesting some serious mushies ? Do you know that there is black only & Whites only Walmarts in the US > music man ?
    “Third world conditions? Really?” Yes REALLY!
    It’s late and even though I feel like schooling you in this area,I will leave you with these >”Poor teens in Baltimore face WORST conditions than Nigeria ” https://www.rt.com/usa/210607-baltimore-study-nigeria-health/
    http://khn.org/news/map-in-poor-baltimore-neighborhoods-life-expectancy-similar-to-developing-countries/

    What infrastructures do they burn down > music man ?

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    Aug 19th 2017, 10:31 PM

    @TheoWolfe: Get some help man.The”regressive left” won’t go to the low depths that the ‘Jihadist forced birthers’ like ye do..You know,those low depths like forcing rape victims to give birth and then to give the rapist visiting rights ..Didn’t ye also do something about stopping rape/incest victims getting insurance this week ?

    http://time.com/4901883/texas-abortion-law/

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    Aug 19th 2017, 10:49 PM

    @Francis Mc Carthy: The Mayor of Baltimore is black. The majority of its city council is black. If you or the poverty stricken folk of Baltimore feel aggrieved by their circumstances they live in,then maybe, just maybe, they should take it up with the people they elect.

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    Aug 20th 2017, 7:13 AM

    @Dj: This is exactly WHY the likes of you are absolutely CLUELESS when it comes to these issues.And by calling you CLUELESS I was being extremely generous > music man

    What can the ‘officials’ that are elected by the residents of Baltimore do to improve the areas that these people reside in ? Let’s discuss that >music man

    Here is a wee video for you > music man

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qytbhMlXltI

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    Aug 20th 2017, 8:50 AM

    @John Mc Grath: are you saying that if a statue of cromwell was on o connell street or patrick street that you would prefer it have a pride of place rather than it moved?
    Our history can be recorded without glorifying cromwell

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    Aug 19th 2017, 7:39 PM

    Having thought about, I think it’s fair to say that I want Independent Councillor Shaun Cunniffe removed effective immediately.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 6:25 PM

    What famine?

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    Aug 19th 2017, 6:34 PM

    @marty johnbann: to hell or Connaught….. oh wait that didn’t happen either

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    Aug 19th 2017, 8:00 PM

    @marty johnbann: Sure we didn’t know there was a famine at all until we’d a national memorial to it unveiled in 1997…. How could we sure without a statue ?

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    Aug 19th 2017, 8:17 PM

    This is monkey-see-monkey-do revisionism of the worst kind by this Galway councillor. He hears the left-leaning debate on this subject from the United States, and immediately tries to copy it in Ireland.

    By attempting to erase history, Soviet-style, this Galway councillor is paying gross disrespect to the family of this Irishman who fought in the American Civil War.

    While socialists in America want to engage in a violent form of cultural vandalism, by tearing down statues of historical figures, we in Ireland should under no circumstances engage in such nonsense.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 8:27 PM

    Can we now expect Councillor Shaun Cunniffe (who?) to call for the removal of memorials and street names across Ireland which commemorate Irish-born people who fought for the British Empire and the subjugation, robbery, occupation and dispossession in Ireland and across the world which was its reason for being?

    If not, why not?

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    Aug 19th 2017, 10:10 PM

    @Seán Óg Mac Gearailt: in fact He should change his name to the Irish spelling as well. And all statues of him to be updated as gaeilge

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    Aug 19th 2017, 8:33 PM

    Shaun Cunniffe is also a major dick.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 7:21 PM

    It’s history, good or bad. You can’t erase it by knocking over a statue or removing a plaque. Future generations need to know of our and the pasts mistakes.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 7:50 PM

    @Donal Riley: Really… so you think.. for example that the statues to Jimmy Saville shouldn’t have been torn down ?

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    Aug 19th 2017, 10:42 PM

    @Lucy: should we pull down the churches, swimming pools, hospitals, community centres where these people committed their vile crimes too. Where do we stop. Do we tear done garda stations because some turned a bid eye to what was going on. Where do you stop. Tell me?

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    Aug 19th 2017, 11:10 PM

    @Donal Riley: Eh, because apart from the churches they serve other purposes than to glorify the crimes committed …do keep up…

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    Aug 19th 2017, 6:57 PM

    Should we ban freedom of speech for anyone calling for the removal of statues of long past military figures.

    Is this incitement to hatred of statues?

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    Aug 19th 2017, 7:04 PM

    @Micheal OLainn: You should know as your lot blow them up every where they go.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 7:13 PM

    @Warthog: interesting avatar. Killers love to have statues.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 8:38 PM

    @Micheal OLainn: I love the WarthogA10C…saw a few of your buddies off.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 7:25 PM

    Would ya ever just leave stuff alone.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 10:05 PM

    Feck off Cunniffe, you snowflake

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    Aug 19th 2017, 7:41 PM

    Yawn…. Have people nothing to do?

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    Aug 19th 2017, 6:47 PM

    It’d be worth it alone to wind up the alt-right Journal keyboard warriors… Let’s face it, it’s been priceless watching their world implode over the last few weeks… Wonder will they arrange a protest… of course with the same group of people using so many shell accounts they could all probably travel to it in the same car…

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    Aug 19th 2017, 7:03 PM

    @Lucy: Is that a new word you learned today Lucy? Who or what exactly are the Alt Right or the Alt Left. Just seem to me to be words to label people who do not agree with your or their view of the world!

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    Aug 19th 2017, 7:08 PM

    @Lucy:

    It is one thing ISIS and the SJWs have in common, destroying monuments, of course, they are of the same mindset.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 7:12 PM

    @TheoWolfe: one might say that we are somewhat iconoclastic. SJW.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 7:30 PM

    @Warthog: Interesting that you’re getting so defensive on behalf of *ahem* “other people”….

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    Aug 19th 2017, 7:36 PM

    @TheoWolfe -What a load of crap that you just puked out.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 7:37 PM

    @TheoWolfe: Oooh…. comparisons to Isis… I’m hurt… Maybe you should erect a statue to mark the moment in case , you know…. anyone forgets…

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    Aug 19th 2017, 8:02 PM

    @Francis Mc Carthy:

    Do they destroy statues, both of them. Or are facts too challenging for you. That’stypical of the regressive left.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 8:02 PM

    @Francis Mc Carthy:

    And your rebuttal is?

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    Aug 19th 2017, 8:19 PM

    @TheoWolfe: show me where the folks in America blew up a statue..or where ISIS went through a court system…you can take your time Theodore

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    Aug 19th 2017, 8:31 PM

    @Francis Mc Carthy:

    Are you sure there have been no statues destroyed in the US (Durham, North Carolina)?; I’m sure ISIS feel empowered by Islamic sharia. No need for courts.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 8:34 PM

    @TheoWolfe:I actually agree , it is the ONE THING Isis and the SJW’s have in common… they also have it in common with those who tore down statues of Stalin and Lenin after the collapse of the Soviet Union , allied troops tearing down nazi statues across Europe after WW2, the Congolese pulling down statues of Leopold II after the Belgians high tailed it etc … The one thing the alt-right have in common with Isis is the desire to glorify the followers of a brutal regime….

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    Aug 19th 2017, 8:37 PM

    @Lucy: Ahem no..now answer the question if you can?

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    Aug 19th 2017, 8:57 PM

    @TheoWolfe: Oh my god! This is terrible stuff altogether.A few people got together and pulled a statue down and they’re being likened to ISIS :) By the way,I did hear that it was a mass produced heap of shi.t :)

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    Aug 19th 2017, 9:08 PM

    @Warthog: The “alt-left” doesn’t exist outside the demented ramblings of Donald Trump over the weekend so let’s not pretend that it does. The alt-right movement is defined as but is not limited to an ideology on the far right which rejects traditional conservative values as not being conservative enough, which embraces white nationalism, antisemitism and sectarianism.It is anti immigration, pro economic isolation and generally holds regressive attitudes towards social issues such as womens and LBGT rights … and as evidenced by your question has at least one adherent too dumb to Google “alt-right”.. Maybe we should erect statue to it so you can understand , huh? Would you like that ? Would you?

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    Aug 19th 2017, 10:07 PM

    @Micheal OLainn: you are a SJW as well.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 11:12 PM

    @Lucy: So then Lucy, so are saying that anyone who disagrees with say large Islamic migration into Western Europe is defined as “alt-Right”?
    Also, if we look at your definition of the Alt-Right we see that in most aspects it parallels the ideology or cult known as Islam. Additionally,you can also add to Islam narcissism, Slavery, mass murder, misogyny, pedophilia, murder of apostates and Jews etc etc Now this is the same ideology that “The Left Liberals” support, defend and justify when they commit atrocities of mass murder in our Western cities. Therefore, by supporting such an ideology your are condoning what it stands for, its beliefs and it actions. How do you explain that paradox? Because what you are saying really is that you “The Left” actually support an awful lot of what the alt-Right stand for. Bottom line…hypocrites and without a shred of credibility. You would rather discuss bloody statues and everything else than Islam, migration and the mass murder on our city streets.

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    Aug 20th 2017, 12:34 AM

    @Warthog: And there’s the sectarianism…You lot don’t do yourself any favours. You’re terrified of the big Islamic bogey man thousands of miles away in Europe when you’ve greater chance by multiples of getting shot by one of our resident criminal gangs. You really want a nightmare… there’s well over a billion and a half Muslims in the world. They control countries with armies, nuclear weapons, biological arsenals, thousands of tonnes chemicals that will make your muscles cramp until your spine snaps…. If there was as your suggesting some “Muslim grand plan” Europe would be gone in the morning.*

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    Aug 20th 2017, 12:41 AM

    You sound like one of those idiots who believed the The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. I can guarantee you that Muslim doctors will save more lives in Ireland this week than Islamic terrorists will take in Europe this year if not this decade… and someday I can guarantee that one of those people will be one of your family… I can also guarantee you that the majority of the sons and daughters of those immigrants you’re so scared of will go on to contribute to society in Europe. The way the trends are going in the UK there’s a good chance they’ll not even carry on the Muslim faith cause guess what… like Catholicism here and even Judaism in Israel the trend is showing a major shift from religion.

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    Aug 20th 2017, 12:56 AM

    If anything you sound exactly like the terrorists your so scared of. They use the excuse that because some westerners are killing Muslims in their home towns that all westerners are culpable. You’re saying the exact same thing about Muslim’s. Statues are a completely unrelated issue to all of that. Different people with different problems… not that someone like you is capable of making the distinction…you’re terrified of anyone that’s not white and Christian. I’d rather not be discussing statues at all. I’d rather let the town councils vote stand to have them removed. It was the alt-right/nazis that decided to make them a cause celebre . Galway council should have the same vote and it should be respected.

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    Aug 20th 2017, 1:02 AM

    And what sort of idiot are you in the first place to be complaining about people discussing the removal of statues when you deliberately logged on to an article discussing the removal of statues. If you want to discuss Islamic terrorism, immigration in Europe or even Islamic theology there are other articles and other sites…

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    Aug 20th 2017, 4:29 AM

    @Lucy: bacon

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    Aug 20th 2017, 11:12 PM

    @Lucy: See that went way over your little head and you still didn’t address my accusation. So anti-Semite and the rest you are then. Maybe you should consult with the people of Nice, Brussels, London, Paris, Boston, Barcelona, Finland etc about the “big Islamic bogey man thousands of miles away in Europe”. They might tell you differently. But to the likes of you they don’t matter. And to Islam you don’t matter. As to the 1.3 billion Muslims, it’s the roughly 600 million males that I worry about . The females don’t have any say in how Islam is managed (except for the few who have raised their sons to be martyrs. They would have used those nukes long ago if it was not for the “overwatch” of France, UK and the U.S. Qaddafi had been trying for years to get them. So, the males that are not already directly involved in terrorism are like recovering alcoholics, it wont take much to send them back to the bar. When Muslims reach critical mass that’s when the real fight begins. As to those nice Muslim medical people you work with, when the
    fight comes watch your little head!

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    Aug 19th 2017, 9:07 PM

    I hope he’s not one of our brightest representatives if it took him 19 years to come to come to that conclusion.

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    Aug 20th 2017, 2:28 PM

    @Philip Duffy:

    It took him 19 years to realize there was a statue to Dowling in the city.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 6:27 PM

    Councillor Cunnliffe trying to get brownie points by this cheap trick. This is part of history, good or bad leave it alone you muppet

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    Aug 19th 2017, 6:30 PM

    @Gus Sheridan: Cunniffe how could I spell such a famous politician wrong, naughty me!

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    Aug 20th 2017, 1:38 AM

    The. American. Civil. Was. Not. Just. About. Slavery. There were other factors involved.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 8:25 PM

    More populist, political correctness,bla bla,
    Bulls##t, by a pc..
    Watch me I’m going to be in the national media tomorrow and Monday.. sick of the lot I am

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    Aug 19th 2017, 7:46 PM

    He who controls the past controls the future.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 9:41 PM

    @Noel Byrne: No.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 10:26 PM

    What’s going on with this country? What’s next?

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    Aug 19th 2017, 8:59 PM

    For fcuks sake,pc gone mad

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    Aug 19th 2017, 6:53 PM

    He achieved a lot in his thirty years all the same. Pity he chose the wrong side to fight for.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 6:58 PM

    @Darren Bates: how many people did he and his men kill?

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    Aug 19th 2017, 7:13 PM

    @Micheal OLainn: are you saying in war there should be no killing?. Send eachother flowers maybe?.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 7:17 PM

    @Alan McCartney: there is generally another option. War is a failure of diplomacy.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 7:39 PM

    @Alan McCartney: and hugs .. don’t forget the hugs ..

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    Aug 19th 2017, 10:12 PM

    @Micheal OLainn: chuckling

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    Aug 20th 2017, 4:17 PM

    @Darren Bates: Who says it was “the wrong side’ ?

    We fight the EU.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 7:15 PM

    I nickname the statue “Much ado about nothing”

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    Aug 19th 2017, 7:47 PM

    @Micheal OLainn: It may be, but the SJWs have a voracious appetite for authoritarianism. It has already been mooted about some ‘classic movies’ being on their hit list. When they have finished with statues they will come for the arts. Merchant of Venice already in the sights, Romeo and Juliet? King Lear?

    There is no stopping point for the regressive left.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 7:54 PM

    Isis are allowed to tear down their monuments, why shouldn’t we be? A s s holes.

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    Aug 20th 2017, 12:57 AM

    Should we remove or rename every street/town/village in Ireland that were named because of British rule in Ireland? History is history, many statues and monuments worldwide have different meanings and values.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 10:25 PM

    The South will rise again!!!!

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    Aug 19th 2017, 11:01 PM

    @JAAYBit: Yeeeeeehaaaaaaw

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    Aug 19th 2017, 6:47 PM

    War is for heroes; peace is for cowards and pacifists.

    War is about engaging in killing as many of our fellow human beings as violently and as efficiently as possible. The best at killing the most are the real heroes.

    War is the noble art of savagely killing our fellow human beings by stabbing, shooting and bombing them to death as cruelly as possible and winning victories by subjugating others.

    War is to be celebrated and the warriors involved must be honoured and admired.

    We must follow these wonderful role models of savage brutality. Forget diplomacy, negotiation and just get down to war. Killing is the true zenith of human civilisation.

    Of course we should have statues to past killers. In this way we can express our admiration for their exploits in killing fellow human beings.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 7:50 PM

    @Micheal OLainn: I think you might find war is about winning Michael……

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    Aug 19th 2017, 10:46 PM

    @Micheal OLainn: War and conflict has sped up human inventiveness. Flying on your holidays? The advancements in aircraft was down to War and Conflict, the Romans built highways so their armies could move rapidly between points.Using the internet? Invented by the Military. Computers? Invented during the Second World War to break the Enigma Code. Space Tech? Came about from the rocket research of Dr. Wernher von Braun during the second world war.

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    Aug 20th 2017, 1:01 AM

    @Micheal OLainn: wouldn’t want you by my side

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    Aug 19th 2017, 6:59 PM

    People are more important than statues.

    Human welfare is more important than hateful ideology.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 8:24 PM

    The phallic columns at the front of the GPO are symbols of Patriarchy, Misogyny and Rape Culture. Down with the GPO!
    And don’t start me on the Sexist Spire!

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    Aug 20th 2017, 2:25 PM

    @Liam Mac Roibin:
    Don’t forget the ugly Wellington Monument in the Ph. Park.
    I’d like to see that knocked, and the bricks used to build houses.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 6:51 PM

    Who has been offended or registered their objections up until now???…I say B***OX to the removal of this.

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    Aug 20th 2017, 11:17 AM

    What a sad man you are if you don’t like it Move

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    Aug 19th 2017, 7:15 PM

    A statue is a statue is a statue, to adapt from Gertrude Stein.

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    Aug 20th 2017, 12:12 AM

    Ahhhh just feck off!!!

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    Aug 20th 2017, 9:37 AM

    Oh no do I have to destroy all my Lynard Skynyrd albums!

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    Aug 19th 2017, 10:35 PM

    “It was brought to my attention” Jog on on Shaun Cunniffe probably never heard of Major Dick Dowling…I haven’t.

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    Aug 20th 2017, 2:24 PM

    Irishmen have such an unsuccessful record as soldiers, we should honour Dowling. He won the only battle he ever commanded in.

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    Aug 20th 2017, 2:20 PM

    I have 50 euros that says this clown never heard of Dick Dowling till the Irish Central web site did a feature on Dowling a few days back.
    How many monuments to British lords and killers are still up in Galway, by the way?

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    Aug 20th 2017, 4:15 PM

    It is Councillor Shaun Cunniffe that should be removed, and his Marxist efforts to erase history should be shunned.
    Ireland needs to wake up and fight back against the SJW plague.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 8:12 PM

    F off

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    Aug 20th 2017, 7:47 PM

    “He said Dowling’s role shouldn’t be sanitised but should be discussed and analysed.”!
    Bulls___! He wants to have all memory of Dowling erased and forgotten.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 8:02 PM

    This is just getting ridiculous

    FFS

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    Aug 19th 2017, 7:00 PM

    In fairness the world’s history is shite…take everything down and let’s start again

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    Aug 19th 2017, 8:39 PM

    @Leroy: Lets start with the price of that Pint?

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    Aug 20th 2017, 9:11 AM

    FFS.
    Have these idiots no day job to do?

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    Aug 19th 2017, 7:53 PM

    So he didnt know it was there and now he wants it removed? Idiot

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    Aug 20th 2017, 4:51 PM

    It’s a good job Shaun isn’t from Rome… You can just imagine this muppet suggesting removal of statues of emperors as they supports slavery.. What an absolute idiot!!

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    Aug 20th 2017, 5:54 PM

    Maybe it is time to pull them down. The erections of these men have been up too long. Imagine the maintenance cost associated to the cleaning and polishing of these.

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    Aug 20th 2017, 7:24 AM

    Is the honouring of individuals not also a nodding okay to their political stance in life, however historic.?
    Seems to me that the Confederacy, in rejecting emancipation of the African slaves, lost any moral rights to honour for their cause, or the individuals who took part.
    More recently, it became illegal to idolise fascist leaders after their rampage, to suppress Neo fascist rallying & commemoration.

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    Aug 19th 2017, 8:05 PM

    What a Pratt!

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