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I don’t know about that – There are certain students of a book that says “Thou shalt not kill!” and they’re flat out doing the opposite … or another crowd that’s “well-in” as they say, and they not getting arrested for crimes against children …so you’re a biteen ignorant in the ways of the wprld I’d say Marcin !

So it’s like Irish nurses then ..we spend a fortune training them and they go to London and the Oil-rich countries for work …ah I get it !

Jason Russia has personnel in Baghdad that assembled these aircraft. It’s not beyond the realms of possibility that they have authorised some pilots to fly missions against ISIS. Afterall Russia has a stake in this as well. A large contingent of Chechens and other Russians are part of the ISIS rank and file.

Polite term is “Mercenaries”.Nothing wrong with it either.Us Irish have been exellent guns for hire for centuries.Once you take the Irish out of Ireland and give them good leadership they are some of the most fiercest fighters on the planet.Pity we cant win any wars for ourselves.

“Pity we cant win any wars for ourselves.”

Arguably we fought the British to a stalemate and absorbed both the Vikings and Normans rather than being conquered by them. It also took the British centuries to bring Ireland under their full control and even then it was tenuous at best. We’ve had a pretty good military history for a small island surrounded by aggressive empires.

“Jason Russia has personnel in Baghdad that assembled these aircraft.`

Aircraft technicians and pilots are not the same thing. The personnel from Sukhoi who are assembling the aircraft are likely engineers and not pilots. There are a few pilots there to train and you are right in saying they may have clearance but it´s more than likely Iranian Air Force aircraft.

Arguably we fought the British to a stalemate and absorbed both the Vikings and Normans rather than being conquered by them. It also took the British centuries to bring Ireland under their full control and even then it was tenuous at best. We’ve had a pretty good military history for a small island surrounded by aggressive empires.

Where did we fight the British to a stalemate?Please dont say the war of independance or NI.
You know yourself that war of Independance could have been a lost situation if Lloyd George has “surged” the British army into Ireland.And NI was a police action with military assistance.Not a set piece battle.
The only utterly successful Irish action against the English,not the British as they wouldnt be around for another 200 years was at the Yellow Ford in 1566.The Vikings,how soon did they return to their cities post Clontarf?Nor did they have any intent to conquer the hinterland of Ireland unlike the Normans,who did actually conquer Ireland ,as we were too busy kicking in each others heads in as usual to fight off the invasion by stealth and sword.Under teneous control by the British??We signed away our parliment in Dublin for direct rule from London,got the crap kicked out of us in 1791,the battle of Kinsale,where all our elite[The Earls]like our modern politicans buggered off to Europe post haste when things got sticky.Aughrim,the Boyne,the two sieges of Limerick and countless other little badly planned uprisings .Actually Irelands military history is a litany of lost battles on Irish soil for Irish somthing or the other..
Yet in Europe,we have the Wild geese,Fontenroy,Marshall Hennessy,Mac Donald and a couple of others who were some of Napeleons best generals,Irish brigades the length and breath of European and American battles,even South America where a Mayo man founded the Argentine navy.
yhe Irish or men of Irish ancestory have won more times than any other nationality the American Congressional Medal of Honour,of that figure over 60% of them were from, or had ancestors from Limerick.
So yeah we win wars for everyone else but ourselves.But we are a race that God made mad..All or battles are happy and all our songs are sad.

Battle of Kinsale was 1601.

Yellow Ford was 1598 too. Jason’s point was that neither the Vikings, Normans nor the British were able to defeat the Irish. We won plenty of battles too, during the 1640′s, 1690′s and 1790′s.

Thanks for the date corrections..
Ok which battles did we win that beat the English in set piece battles on Irish soil that decisively changed Irish history to make the English pack up or grant us some sort of freedom to be a nation?
As I musta skipped those clases in Irish history,or more like our history teachers didnt consider these great victories over the eternal foe worth mentioning?
While we would like to think the Vikings were defeated by the Irish as were the Normans,history actually tells a different tale,as said before the Vikings had no intrest in conquering Ireland anyway.They used it as a raiding base and trading post.Post Brian Boru,Ireland went back to doing what it was best at ,tribal warfare.Main reason a minor king invited the Normans into the place .If you want to claim an Irish victory over the Normans,it would be better to say they were asslimiated into Irish society,but that the Irish militarily defeated the Normans or the English….This I want to read.

The point was, we couldn’t be defeated.

The british were kicked out in the 1920s …hence the independent sovereign State, although your post suggests you think that the british haven’t been defeated in Ireland yet ..that involves some extra work for the Irish I’d say … A little bit of “rooting out” – we’d call it…best way to kill a weed;- kill the root !

Th point is you havent answerd the question about where the Irish defeated the English in a set piece battle as you claimed in the dates mentioned..So when or where did this happen as you assured us it did?

Hmm.I seem to remember that they withdrew in an orderly fashion and not in a panicked rout which is what a kicking out would suggest.Apart from three ports that is and six counties up in the North,and then the Irish reverted to the good old way of kicking the crap out of each other to see who is in charge and almost brought the British back in again….Looks like General Giap was right about the Irish struggle.. ” They have fought for 800 years to free their nation…They are not fighting they are playing at war.”Coming from a country that had various invaders in 1000 years it is saying somthing and managed to get rid of two Western powers in ten thousand days even moreso.So when are you going to do some gardening Dermot Ryan maybe in another 300 years tIreland might get six counties back,but you are too dumb to realise your fight isnt with West minister anymore ,its Brussels thats the new oppressor.

The West Cork Brigade crushed the British at Crossbarry and Kilmichael in 1920/21 – actions which had a major influence in changing the course of Irish history.

Won’t are you accusing me of being a Europhile ?…that’s the funniest thing I have read !
Look at it this way won’t … the roman empire may have lost it’s military control but it still maintained its indoctrination through the R.C.C. . the queen’s visit last year was not for the Irish in Ireland – it was aP.R. exercise for the Irish in England !
When Irealnd defeated the British army and it returned home having lost the colony the systems british had used for centuries- education , religion and civil service were not dismantled and that is phase 2 ..when that is achieved then there will be no border !

Actually they are western trained, Iraq veterans have studied dozens of their propaganda videos and the verdict was unanimous, trained to American combat techniques and standards, their book however, is not the Quran, it’s the Ghenghis Khan terror manual.

Only a few years ago the Kurds were the Palestinians of the middle east. Today, thanks to (fleeting attention) CNN and Sky news they are the good guys.
How long before the world turns its back when the next Netanyahu opens up on the Kurds?
Time to smell the coffee people.

“A ceaseless, nearly invisible war criss-crossing the borders between Turkey, Iran and Kurdish-controlled areas of northern Iraq has left thousands of impoverished Kurdish farmers resigned to their grim fate.

“Our lives are worthless because today we build up our house, tomorrow it will be destroyed by shelling – that’s our life,” said farmer Ahmed Abdullah. “Now, every day we wish for death.”

The undeclared war, pitting Turkish and Iranian armed forces against Kurdish separatist fighters based in Iraq’s autonomous Kurdish region, has been waged for years with tacit approval from the U.S., which supplies the Turkish military with intelligence on the guerrillas. And when the Turkish military plans an artillery barrage in the area, officers give American troops advance notice, according to U.S. soldiers working in the region.”

http://www.stripes.com/news/middle-east/iraq/the-other-iraq-war-in-kurdish-iraq-hostilities-simmering-with-iran-turkey-1.93636

What do you want to be when you blow up son?

Patriotism today is the cruel tradition of an outlived period, which exists not merely by its inertia, but because the governments and ruling classes, aware that not their power only, but their very existence, depends upon it, persistently excite and maintain it among the people, both by cunning and violence.

Patriotism today is like a scaffolding which was needful once to raise the walls of the building, but which, though it presents the only obstacle to the house being inhabited, is none the less retained, because its existence is of profit to certain persons.

Leo Tolstoy

Proving what exactly Dermot ?That you can have fun with numbers??

proving that numbers are nothing more than what you make them out to be ..it’s a journal joke – welcome aboard !

Too many US bashers on here Stephen. They are at it all the time and any excuse.

And if there’s no excuse they’ll invent one.

Paul if you’re not a US basher at this point then you will believe almost anything. Go wave a flag

Its not they US bashing that’s the problem Niall – they deserve a lot of criticism – but the selective US bashing. The hypocrisy of the headlong rush to find a way to bash the US whilst ignoring or supporting similar or worse actions committed by others.

I recently heard probably the best way to describe the US and it’s foreign policy, “a schizophrenic giant”. On the one hand the country is an amazing superpower and it’s founding principles of liberty are admirable but when it comes to taking care of its own national interest abroad it has to resort to being a bit of a bully in total contrast to its founding principles.

This is not “US bashing” but logical thinking. Whom else we are to thank for destabilizing Iraq and Syria making ISIS a possibility? So far we have three countries destabilized by the US to a different degree that can and most probably will be breeding grounds for militant Islam – Iraq, Egypt and Syria. Libya is further away, but same pattern was applied there – the existing stable regime overthrown by US intervention opening doors to chaos.

Saddam Hussein’s antics destabilized Iraq, Likewise for Gaddafi and Morsi. Right now Malaki is not helping Iraq’s stability.

I just wrote a big reply and the Journal wont post it no matter how many times i send it.

If the reply was civil and not rude the it shouldn’t be a problem to post Keep trying.

I kept trying Stephen. It wasn’t rude or anything it just wouldn’t post. It happens all the time

Its founding principles were built on the extermination of the Native American and enslavement of Africans, the amount of american ass kissing that goes on in this country is sad but unfortunately we have always had our few gombeens.
You know they have had a cure for Ebola for quite awhile right? Its just another weapon in the arsenal against africa.

Elduderino, you do realise that virtually every so-called ‘civilization’ since the dawn of humanity has been based on murder and pillage? The US certainly aren’t alone in that. Tribal and religious differences remain at the heart of much of the ongoing violence in the middle east today, albeit that it took the US to uncork the bottle that was held firmly closed by tyrants like Saddam and Gadaffi.

When did Al Qaida become Isis – that’s News !

I bet it is news for you.

Avina – Yes thats true but I can only think of one atrocity so bad in the last 500 years.
The tribal and religious differences are due to how the Ottoman empire was divided up by Britain and the US. Gadaffi and Sadam would not have been there in the first place if it weren’t for the US.

I’m not looking to bash the states, maybe its just because they have been the ruling power in the world the last while but all of these problems lead back to their door.

I do think people identify themselves too much with America here, Head down around south side Dublin and half the kids sound like they are over on holidays from the California Valleys. if people want to think and act like they are American they are free to but I don’t have to like it.

Don’t be so naive elduderino – how do you think the Ottoman empire was created in the first place?