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Trump slammed the programme during his campaign as illegal "amnesty" Evan Vucci

'Cruel, self-defeating': Obama slams Trump's plans to scrap scheme for young undocumented immigrants

The Obama-era programme is being rescinded.

Updated at 10.15pm

FORMER US PRESIDENT Barack Obama has called the Trump administration’s decision to repeal a programme protecting young immigrants from deportation “cruel” and “self-defeating”.

He urged Congress to pass a bill fixing the situation “with a sense of moral urgency”.

In a Facebook message, Obama said repealing the programme casts a shadow over some of the nation’s best and brightest young people.

“To target these young people is wrong – because they have done nothing wrong,” he wrote.

The former president’s statement came as President Donald Trump announced that the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, or DACA, programme will end in six months.

Removal announcement 

Attorney General Jeff Sessions declared the Obama administration’s programme “an unconstitutional exercise of authority” that must be revoked.

New applications will be halted for Obama’s DACA programme, which has provided nearly 800,000 young immigrants with a reprieve from deportation and the ability to work legally in the US in the form of two-year, renewable work permits.

“I’m here today to announce that the programme known as DACA that was effectuated under the Obama administration is being rescinded,” Sessions announced.
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But the administration is giving Congress six months to come up with a legislative fix — “should it choose to”, Sessions said — before the government stops renewing permits for people already covered by the programme.

According to Department of Homeland Security officials, people with permits whose renewals are set to expire between now and 5 March 2018 will be able to reapply — so long as their applications are submitted by 5 October 2017, one month from today.

Trump had suggested in an earlier tweet that it would be up to Congress to ultimately decide the fate of the young immigrants, dubbed “Dreamers” in a reference to an earlier legislative effort. He tweeted, “Congress, get ready to do your job – DACA!”

“Make no mistake, we are going to put the interest of AMERICAN CITIZENS FIRST!” Trump added in a second, retweeted message. “The forgotten men & women will no longer be forgotten.”

Ongoing dispute

Sessions’ announcement came the same day as a deadline set by a group of Republican state officials who said they would challenge DACA in court unless the Trump administration rescinded the programme. Administration officials argued the program might not hold up in court — and said that allowing the lawsuit to proceed would throw the programme into chaos.

Trump has spent months wrestling with what to do with DACA, which he slammed during his campaign as illegal “amnesty.” Many of his closest advisers, including Sessions, policy adviser Stephen Miller, and former chief strategist Steve Bannon argue that the programme is unconstitutional and have urged Trump to follow through on his campaign promise to end it.

But Trump has repeatedly expressed sympathy for the young people protected by the programme, describing the decision as one of the most difficult he’s had to grapple with as president.

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“I think the Dreamers are terrific,” Trump said last week, using a term popularised by supporters of the programme, which was created in 2012 as a stopgap as the Obama administration pushed unsuccessfully for a broader immigration overhaul in Congress.

All the while, his administration has continued to issue new permits and extensions to immigrants who qualify.

But his approach — essentially kicking the can down the road and letting Congress deal with it — is fraught with uncertainty and political perils for his own party. Trump’s decision to take a harder line on young immigrants unless Congress intervenes threatens to emphasise deep divisions among Republicans who have long struggled with the issue.

The creation of DACA

The Obama administration created the DACA program in 2012 as a stopgap as it pushed unsuccessfully for a broader immigration overhaul in Congress, House Speaker Paul Ryan said in a statement. He said he hoped that the “House and Senate, with the president’s leadership, will be able to find consensus on a permanent legislative solution that includes ensuring that those who have done nothing wrong can still contribute as a valued part of this great country”.

“Congress writes laws, not the president, and ending this program fulfils a promise that President Trump made to restore the proper role of the executive and legislative branches. But now there is more to do, and the president has called on Congress to act,” he said.

But Congress has repeatedly tried — and failed — to come together on immigration overhaul legislation, and it remains uncertain whether the House would succeed in passing anything on the divisive topic.

House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi called Trump’s decision “a deeply shameful act of political cowardice and a despicable assault on innocent young people in communities across America.”

“The president’s cruel and heartless decision to start deporting DREAMers in six months demands an immediate response from the Republican Congress,” she added, calling on Ryan and other Republican leaders to bring legislation to protect the young immigrants to a vote.

One bill addressing the issue that has received the most attention, introduced by Senators Lindsey Graham, a Republican from South Caroline, and Dick Durbin, a Democrat from Illinois, would grant permanent legal status to more than one million young people who arrived in the US before they turned 18, passed security checks and met other criteria, including enrolling in college, joining the military or finding jobs.

It’s unclear, however, whether the president would support that or any other existing legislation. He could encourage the writing of a new bill — tied, perhaps, to funding for his promised border wall or other concessions like a reduction in legal immigration levels.

But it’s unclear how much political capital the president would want to put on the line given his base’s strong opposition to illegal immigration, his campaign rhetoric blasting DACA as illegal “amnesty” and his reluctance to campaign hard for other priorities, like health care overhaul.

Trump’s expected move has sparked protests, phone banks, letter-writing campaigns and other efforts across the country urging him not to act.

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    Sep 5th 2017, 5:37 PM

    This a tough decision but ultimately the correct one, an illegal immigrant is an illegal immigrant, their age is irrelevant.

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    Sep 5th 2017, 5:43 PM

    @Johnny Gunn: DACA was all that could get through at the time. I think the Graham bill will get some traction. The criteria seem fair but it could be used by ICE to get the parents

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    Sep 5th 2017, 5:46 PM

    @Dave O Keeffe: nothing “got through” Dave. Congress wouldn’t do what Obama wanted so he acted unilaterally to change US immigration policy.

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    Sep 5th 2017, 7:28 PM

    @Johnny Gunn: problem is this will decimate the country’s IQ instantly as well as deport anybody with a bit of get up and go in them. Bad idea.

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    Sep 5th 2017, 7:42 PM

    @Brendan Cooney: And anybody with any shred of intelligence will think twice before moving to a country that’s run by a white supremacist who bows to the wishes of the KKK.

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    Sep 5th 2017, 7:59 PM

    @Johnny Gunn: you didn’t seem to upset when Trump did it

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    Sep 5th 2017, 8:02 PM

    @Brendan Cooney: no, what it will do is encourage illegals not to contribute in any way, shape or form.

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    Sep 5th 2017, 8:05 PM

    @Liam Doyle: No – but they also take issues like climate change seriously too.

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    Sep 5th 2017, 10:24 PM

    @Brendan Cooney:

    And what happens to the IQ of the origin country of the if all the “smart” people do a run for the US border? Worse off or better off?

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    Sep 5th 2017, 10:35 PM

    @Remy: please proof read your bullsh!t before posting.

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    Sep 5th 2017, 11:01 PM

    @Dave O Keeffe:
    Hi Dave, micro triggered?

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    @Dave O Keeffe:

    How’s the Russian angle coming along you fool haha

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    Sep 5th 2017, 11:41 PM

    @Graham.Kavanagh:
    Hypocrites eh?
    Check out @JackPosobiecs Tweet: https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/905105659456360448?s=09

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    Sep 6th 2017, 1:37 AM

    @Remy: The Russian angle? Seen as you asked… From the conservative bent Chicago Tribune today.
    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-trump-russia-probe-20170905-story.html

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    Sep 6th 2017, 2:59 AM

    @Johnny Gunn: these people were children they did not make a conscious decision to enter the U.S. illegally they were taken there by there family’s and grew up as American’s not knowing any other way of life thats why this is so cruel and wrong.

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    Sep 6th 2017, 3:30 AM

    @Johnny Good on Obama

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    Sep 6th 2017, 5:38 AM

    @Remy: your posts are frequently inaccurate and frequently untrue. Pointing out that fact isn’t exactly what I’d call being triggered.

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    Sep 6th 2017, 5:43 AM

    @Johnny Gunn: I don’t think you understand how Executive Orders and the president’s ability to make law works. It’s OK, you’ve only really been looking at it for about 8 months. Executive Orders cannot have budgetary impacts without Congress’ approval, therefore DACA was all that could “get through”

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    Sep 6th 2017, 6:43 AM

    @Johnny Gunn: If you bring your ten year old kid out joyriding and robbing banks with you, is that kid also a criminal?

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    Sep 6th 2017, 7:58 AM

    @Johnny Gunn: Yeah, after all, they’re just kids.. They’re not even voting, so who needs them? Plus big bossy tad can show his big power he has, over kids! Wow how impressed we are..
    Also, according to your logic, illegal Irish will be next. If one of them was your family, then Id like to see you saying your bs to their face.

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    Sep 6th 2017, 8:05 AM

    @Neal Ireland Hello.:

    Do you allow the child to stay in the car or keep the money stolen from the banks?

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    Sep 6th 2017, 8:41 AM

    @Thought for Food: think carefully now for a minute, what crime has the child committed in the scenario mentioned by Neal? What crime would the child be charged with?

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    Sep 6th 2017, 9:21 AM

    @Dave O Keeffe: And it wasn’t an executive order that Obama did,It was an executive action..but dear old Johnny wouldn’t know much about those things..

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    Sep 6th 2017, 11:59 AM

    @Dave O Keeffe:

    That’s called being an accessory to a crime Dave and that in itself is a crime.

    If we use your analogy and apply it with 100% accuracy, the child is knowingly being used as a part of the crime and it makes them an accessory.

    In reality, stats show that most children availing of DACA have committed multiple felonies including identity fraud, falsifying licenses and social security fraud.

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    Sep 6th 2017, 12:33 PM

    @Thought for Food: “In reality, stats show that most children availing of DACA have committed multiple felonies including identity fraud, falsifying licenses and social security fraud.” = 10 Pinocchios for Thoughtless

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    Sep 6th 2017, 2:06 PM

    @Thought for Food: can you find me a case of a 10 year old child being charged as an accessory to the crimes of the parent simply because they were there? Also, you are aware that those who applied for DACA but had used false documents in entering or while in the US were referred to ICE right? That was a part of DACA. Same with the children of those that fraudulently entered the US. As for felonies that was discretionary. Also, one must not have been convicted of a felony. Do your research.

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    Sep 5th 2017, 5:48 PM

    Well Done. Like him or loathe him he has been Americas most effective president in years. Not afraid of public perception and appeasing everyone like Obama, does what needs to be done.

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    Sep 5th 2017, 5:51 PM

    @Eric Djemba-Djemba: most effective? He’s achieved absolutely nothing yet

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    Sep 5th 2017, 5:54 PM

    @Dermot Lane: if he’s so ineffective then what is all the hysterical shrieking and whinging from leftists and their allies in the media all about?

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    Sep 5th 2017, 5:56 PM

    @Dermot Lane:

    Lowest level of illegal immigrants entering the country in 17 years. A jump in Q3 economic forecasts from 0.9% GDP growth to 3.6% growth. Pulled out of the disastrous Paris Climate Accord and challenging quite a few other international agreements. ISIS nearly wiped out and making moves to get rid of the Taliban finally. Leading one of the best presidential responses to an environmental crisis.

    He’s been busy.

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    Sep 5th 2017, 6:09 PM

    @Thought for Food: “ISIS nearly wiped out and making moves to get rid of the Taliban finally”

    Right – as if the war against ISIS and the Taliban wasn’t going on long before he was in office. He’s swooping in to get the glory without actually having done much – it’s almost two decades since the US started fighting the Taliban, and there have been countless factions fighting ISIS and driving them back for years now. Giving him the credit is daft.

    “one of the best presidential responses to an environmental crisis.”

    You what? His policies on climate change are so atrocious that he’s ensuring there’ll be many more environmental crises to come. He natters on about how ‘historic’ the flooding in Texas is while re-opening coal mines and picking NASA chiefs that deny climate change is happening…

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    Sep 5th 2017, 6:31 PM

    @Dermot Lane: Well he has… he has upset an awful lot of closet Marxists who hide under the label of left liberal.

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    Sep 5th 2017, 8:21 PM

    @Eric Djemba-Djemba: the most effective are you joking?since you seem to follow the us politics tell us please what he has achieved so far??

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    Sep 5th 2017, 9:50 PM

    @Warthog: what legislation has he actually got through tho? Annoying political opponents doesn’t count.

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    Sep 5th 2017, 10:06 PM

    @Thought for Food: care to tell us how a non-binding, no consequences agreement was disastrous? Also, if it’s that bad you must be furious that they’re still in it until late 2019

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    Sep 5th 2017, 10:28 PM

    @Thought for Food:

    To be fair, The SAA, Kurds and Russian military are routing ISIS in Syria, not the US. But the Journal and MSM haven’t reported in weeks of all the successes of the above, grinds the narrative.

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    Sep 5th 2017, 11:14 PM

    @Johnny Gunn: hah, exactly Johnny, exactly.

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    Sep 6th 2017, 1:40 AM

    @Eric Djemba-Djemba: Here come the “new accounts”….

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    Sep 6th 2017, 6:18 AM

    @Thought for Food: Yup, thought not. Your particular brand of hysteria is as troubling as it is intriguing. Make sure you wash your lips when you’re done blowing smoke. We know where they’ve been blowing it.

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    Sep 6th 2017, 8:00 AM

    @Eric Djemba-Djemba: How do you back this up? By level of hysteria?

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    Sep 6th 2017, 9:25 AM

    @psychiatrist: you could come in handy with a few of the posters on here,,,,some of them are not only showing serious signs of delusions but they also seem to have multiple personalities ..just to let you know,i’m grand.

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    Sep 5th 2017, 6:11 PM

    I can’t stand Trump but I couldn’t care less what he does. The Irish Government needs to be more strict out who we let in to our country.

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    Sep 5th 2017, 11:19 PM

    @Just Some Guy: Why? ‘Our country’ ffs.

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    Sep 5th 2017, 5:53 PM

    Cleaning up the mess left behind by Obama.

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    @Emmet Dillane: This mess was also created by the Republicans -yeah dope!

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    Sep 5th 2017, 6:06 PM

    @Francis Mc Carthy: it was a program created by Obama ya big thick!

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    Sep 5th 2017, 6:09 PM

    @Shane Kinsella: and when it came to the Supreme Court ruling,why was it 4-4 -yeah dope!

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    Sep 5th 2017, 8:10 PM

    @Emmet Dillane: Cleaning up the mess left behind by Obama: like strong relationships with the USA’s closest allies, a rapidly growing economy, a science led approach to tackling climate change and a health care program servicing the needs of Americans.

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    @Emmet Dillane: You just confirms, you did not like a black man in charge.

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    @Shane Kinsella: Which created jobs and productive manufactures in the US industry you ass.

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    @Shane Kinsella: yeah, that fool Obama being compassionate. What a tool!

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    Sep 6th 2017, 9:07 AM

    @Shane Kinsella: it was a program that was ‘created’ by the secretary of the Homeland Security ..yah big oul’ dope..

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    Sep 5th 2017, 5:40 PM

    DACA has essentially handed the Trump admin a database of 800,000 illegal aliens an unintended consequence for Obama but an unexpected bonus for the Trump administration.

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    Sep 5th 2017, 5:49 PM

    @Johnny Gunn:

    ICE have had a good database of illegal immigrants for a long time. They just couldn’t act upon it under the Obama administration. Now that Trump is in power ICE is free to do the job that they’re paid to do.

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    @Thought for Food: enforcing the law is such a novel idea :)

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    Sep 5th 2017, 6:11 PM

    @Thought for Food: Are you just ignoring the fact Obama administration deported 2.5 million illegal immigrants?

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    @David McDermott: they changed the definition of this so as to include those stopped at the border as “deported” while they actually removed far fewer aliens who had been illegally residing in the states.

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    @Johnny Gunn: Wasn’t Alonso Guillén’s (bad hombre) “lucky” that he drowned last week in the Houston floodwaters..Have you heard of that “bad hombre”? He was a lad who traveled 100 miles to help people that were stranded in the floodwaters..Trump will get a lot of hassle over this move..

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    @Johnny Gunn: New around here???

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    @Philip Gerard: His Tommy account has gone away for awhile..somebody must have upset him with a few facts..

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    Sep 5th 2017, 6:01 PM

    First politician to refuse to lick up to the media. And they want to destroy him for setting that precedent and ending their corrupt usurped unelected power.

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    Sep 5th 2017, 5:38 PM

    He’s hell bent on reversing everything Obama did. He must still be raging about that piss taking he got a few years ago at the White House dinner.

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    Sep 5th 2017, 5:46 PM

    @Eamonn Sheen:

    He promised to crack down on illegal immigration. Getting rid of an amnesty programme for illegal immigrants is a logical step in achieving that goal.

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    Sep 5th 2017, 5:46 PM

    @Eamonn Sheen: That is exactly it.

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    Sep 5th 2017, 5:48 PM

    @Eamonn Sheen: which the people elected him to do. They could have voted for a continuation of the Obama policies under Hillary Clinton but they voted for change not continuity.

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    @Johnny Gunn: He couldn’t care less what the people want. It’s all about Trump otherwise anything with his name on it would be made in the USA.

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    Sep 5th 2017, 6:37 PM

    @Eamonn Sheen: Wait he must be a Politician then? Bit like the un democratic EU, as Germany and France don’t give a fk about the other 25, its all about them. They:certainly didn’t give a flying fk about Ireland or Greece now did they?

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    Sep 5th 2017, 10:28 PM

    @Thought for Food: he said he was going to go after the bad guys ,the criminals now he’s going after the young ones( whom by the way passed security checks) in the country to study,work,better themselves,as usual he goes after the vulnerable!!

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    Sep 6th 2017, 1:22 AM

    @Eamonn Sheen: exactly!

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    Sep 6th 2017, 11:41 AM

    @Frederic Slimane: Ìf you do something illegal, you are a criminal, age doesn’t matter.

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    Sep 6th 2017, 12:02 PM

    @Frederic Slimane:

    Most of the children on DACA have committed multiple felonies. The list includes identity fraud, social security fraud and forgery of federal documents.

    If that’s not worthy of deportation then I don’t know what is.

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    Sep 6th 2017, 12:35 PM

    @Thought for Food: Liar,liar,pants on fire..tsk tsk..

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    Sep 5th 2017, 8:52 PM

    Getting rid of DACA is the right thing to do, maintaining it would only incentivise illegals to make their wad to the US.
    Obamaphiles will not be happy.

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    Sep 5th 2017, 9:33 PM

    @Remy: “Obamaphiles” ? Are you talking about the Republicans that came out today saying,not to get rid of it ? DACA will be like “Obamacare”

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    Sep 5th 2017, 10:10 PM

    @The Dunes Of Inchy:

    Yes them… YObamaphiles.

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    Sep 6th 2017, 6:47 AM

    @Remy: On here you will always figure out fairly quick the people who don’t know much about the subject at hand -you are one of those people..And for that reason I’m out.

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    Sep 5th 2017, 6:31 PM

    I’ll say one thing for Trump. He never fails to live down to the worst expectations of his severest detractors.

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    Sep 5th 2017, 6:37 PM

    @Fiona deFreyne:

    Why is this a bad thing?

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    Sep 5th 2017, 6:39 PM

    @Fiona deFreyne: Did Liam let you out to play?

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    Sep 5th 2017, 6:47 PM

    @Warthog: Trump’s chumps make good sport but it can be a little too easy.

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    Sep 5th 2017, 11:25 PM

    @Fiona deFreyne: no you won’t say one thing for Trump Fiona, you’ll say hundreds and hundreds of ever more hysterical things for him for the next 7 and a half years.

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    Sep 6th 2017, 1:45 AM

    @TheGrannies: ^^^ Following 4 people on Twitter.

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    Sep 5th 2017, 6:03 PM

    Trump would toss out a cure for cancer if Obama came up with it. Sad!

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    Sep 5th 2017, 6:07 PM

    @ianglen: why would Obama come up with a thing like cancer?

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    Sep 5th 2017, 6:13 PM

    @Shane Kinsella: lol, can you read?

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    Sep 5th 2017, 8:56 PM

    @Nick Drake: Maybe if your comprehension was up to scratch you would understand what a double entendre is.

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    Sep 6th 2017, 1:39 AM

    @Shane Kinsella: Seems at the moment with Trump is “did Obama do this? Bin it!”

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    Sep 6th 2017, 1:46 AM

    @Shane Kinsella: You apparently don’t know what double entendres mean either, Shan-o.

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    Sep 5th 2017, 9:36 PM

    Isn’t it strange how most of the people posting in support of Trump and his policies are afraid to affix their own names to their posts. It’s almost as if they’re too cowardly to put their names to their opinions.

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    Sep 5th 2017, 11:57 PM

    @Graham.Kavanagh: most people posting on any online fora, whether they’re for or against Trump don’t affix their own names to their posts, so your point is moot. Look, it’s quite clear Graham. – do you play snooker? – that Trump has majorly triggered you and indeed manipulated you. You and your hysterical ilk are not fair minded or at all impartial in your commentary regarding the man. You lie and exaggerate and generally behave in exactly the same intolerant and uncouth manner towards others that disagree with you that you criticise Trump for. Grow up Graham, it’s time to put away your childish and obsessive tantrums.

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    Sep 6th 2017, 1:48 AM

    @Graham.Kavanagh: Look at their twitter accounts. Most are the same person/made up just to make us think lots of people support this orange buffoon.

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    Sep 6th 2017, 10:40 AM

    @Graham.Kavanagh: Why what are you planning to do with their real names you creep?

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    Sep 5th 2017, 5:39 PM

    Laws are racist.

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    Sep 5th 2017, 5:50 PM

    We had a referendum in 2004 I think on similiar issue….Did children born here to non nationals have citizenship rights….80% of the vote said no the children did not have citizenship rights…..No citizenship by birth right…..

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    Sep 5th 2017, 7:38 PM

    @John003: the desire to live, work, study, pay taxes etc and citizenship are two different things though. Many just want to be able to live here without fear of being deported as they were taken here as children probably with no choice. And there are several criteria for dreamers to be even eligible for DACA status, look em up. It’s not like these people are uneducated not fit for work criminals.

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    Sep 6th 2017, 8:09 AM

    @Gary Sommerville:

    I don’t care if each child won a Nobel Prize. They’re in the country illegally and have no right to remain.

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    Sep 6th 2017, 8:46 AM

    @Thought for Food: ” they’re in the country illegally and have no right to remain ” Source for your claim ?

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    Sep 6th 2017, 12:05 PM

    @The Dunes Of Inchy:

    DACA is a programme for illegal immigrants to get amnesty. You have to be an illegal immigrant to be on DACA so it goes without saying that those on it are illegally in the country.

    I can’t believe that I just had to spell that one out.

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    Sep 6th 2017, 12:57 PM

    @Thought for Food: “and have no ‘right’ to remain” oh yes they do have a ‘right’ to remain…They do it every two years ,Thoughtless..You really didn’t think that one through,did you :-)

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    Sep 6th 2017, 1:46 AM

    Despite all the slurs, all the protesting, all the upset, Donald Trump is the only Politician/ President that is doing exactly what he was voted in to do. I wish our reprobates here acted similar in putting our people first. Fair play to you Donald, you legend.

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    Sep 5th 2017, 6:29 PM

    Trump is from an immigrant background with blonde /orange hair and blue eyes, roughly equivalent to white Anglo Saxon Protestant. It is hardly likely that he would be inclined towards tolerance of diversity.

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    Sep 5th 2017, 6:58 PM

    @Fiona deFreyne: So by your own logic, anyone with blonde /red hair and blue eyes is an intolerant racist who hates anything to do with diversity… Is that right? Do you realize that a huge swathe of Northern Europe are Anglo Saxons? With that kind of gross generalization is it any wonder people are being converted to right wing politics in their droves? But do continue with your divisive attitude, it’s exactly what the world needs right now.

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    Sep 5th 2017, 7:26 PM

    @:-): taken in conjunction with Trump’s support for the racist sheriff, failure categorically to condemn the KKK right from the start, and Trump’s support for confederate symbols of slavery as well as a racially discriminatory immigration policy are all relevant to the assessment of Trump as a neo Nazi sympathiser.

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    Sep 5th 2017, 7:54 PM

    @Fiona deFreyne: And what has any of that got to do with people with blonde/red hair and blue eyes? You have just proclaimed your disdain for the infamous sheriff who racially profiles people, while doing the exact same thing yourself!

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    Sep 5th 2017, 10:12 PM

    @Fiona deFreyne:

    Literally Hitler? You gobs#ite Liam

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    Sep 5th 2017, 11:37 PM

    @Fiona deFreyne: he HAS categorically condemned the KKK for years going back to at least the 90′s, stop lying. Oh and by the way his LEGAL immigrant mother was a Gaelic speaking Scot. I’ve gotta say, even though at times I find the man objectionable, the best thing about Trump is how he’s triggered all the intolerant, lying, fascist loons like Fiona into unmasking themselves.

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    Sep 5th 2017, 6:30 PM

    It’s seems Trump doesn’t just surround himself with empty-headed yes men, he also likes to have them swarm the internet with their empty headed, frankly ridiculous claims.

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    Sep 5th 2017, 6:31 PM

    @Graham.Kavanagh: that is really excellent!

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    Sep 5th 2017, 6:40 PM

    @Graham.Kavanagh: See you have joined the club then!

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    Sep 5th 2017, 7:31 PM

    @Warthog: At least I don’t hide behind a cheesy fake name like a sad, pathetic man-baby.

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    Sep 5th 2017, 10:14 PM

    @Graham.Kavanagh:

    Insults, tut tut, did you lose the argument?

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    Sep 5th 2017, 10:16 PM

    @Fiona deFreyne:

    Fan of Bill and Ted are we?

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    Sep 5th 2017, 8:28 PM

    There will be a mass of irish returning back to Ireland shortly, Im making my plans to leave now,

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    Sep 5th 2017, 8:59 PM

    @Barry O Neill: to what??

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    Sep 6th 2017, 12:12 PM

    @Barry O Neill:

    If you’re not in America illegally then you have nothing to worry about.

    If you’re going to leave because Trump is enforcing the Constitution then I have some bad news for you. Ireland voted in a referendum that being born here doesn’t automatically entitle you to citizenship so in that respect Irish people agree with Trump.

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    Sep 5th 2017, 8:00 PM

    Below is extracts of a letter that was sent to Trump from 100 CEO’S of leading companies in the US,where they provided him with some pesky facts.

    https://scontent.fdub4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/21369320_10213379318985098_4369167705286514991_n.jpg?oh=40f7a86914055fc25fa497502c6e853d&oe=5A5E9FD3

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    Sep 5th 2017, 8:06 PM

    @The Dunes Of Inchy: If only they had appealed to his narcissism, and childish need for gratification, he might actually have listened to them.

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    Sep 5th 2017, 9:21 PM

    @Graham.Kavanagh: This guy was deported to a stable country..

    https://nextshark.com/phillip-clay-deported-korean-american-adoptee-found-dead-of-apparent-suicide/

    Trump wants to deport people to extremely dangerous countries..

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    Sep 5th 2017, 11:30 PM

    Trump rules by appealing to negative and fearful emotions. He is a superb emotional manipulator. He appeals to people who are persuaded by negative emotions, not by logic, fact and pragmatic sense.

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    Sep 6th 2017, 12:39 AM

    @Fiona deFreyne: finally, one of you gets it, you’re right Fiona, he is a superb emotional manipulator and there is nobody more (negatively)emotional and manipulated and emotionally manipulated than the likes of you and Graham, every single day, for every, BS clickbait Trump non story.

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    Sep 5th 2017, 10:59 PM

    Reinstate obama plz

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    Sep 6th 2017, 12:21 AM

    @Marianne: Not sure the people of Syria or Libya would want Obama back…Was part of the destruction of both their countries….

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    Sep 6th 2017, 12:43 AM

    @John003: ah yeah John but he’s a cool dude who sings and gives eloquent speeches in his best Martin Luther King impression – “I have a dream” “Yes we can”.

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    Sep 6th 2017, 6:36 AM

    @John003: But the people of America would want him back right now, John.Do try to keep up.

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    Sep 5th 2017, 5:38 PM

    What a piece of sh@t

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    Sep 5th 2017, 5:48 PM

    @Sarcasmo:

    I would say the real horrible people in this are the parents who knowingly dragged their children illegally across borders and forced them to live in constant fear of deportation.

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    Sep 5th 2017, 7:33 PM

    @Thought for Food: I would say the real horrible people are the ones forcing these people to be deported to a country to which they literally have no connection other than birth. They have no homes there or no jobs there, but you right-wing types aren’t usually the type to see things from other peoples perspectives.

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    Sep 5th 2017, 8:21 PM

    The connection is citizenship. We all have a right to live in the country of our citizenship and every other country has the right to determine whether we can live there or not. If some people can break the rules why not others?. There are a billion people suffering hunger, why not them? Your compassion and empathy is understandable, but you should try to think through the consequences of following the logic of your argument through to its’ logical conclusions.

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    Sep 5th 2017, 9:09 PM

    @Angry Atheist: Actually Angry Atheist it’s an imaginary line in the sand that in this scenario has been drawn to benefit the irrational fears and biases of a bunch of racists. The stipulations on becoming a dreamer are fairly stringent – no serious convictions, must have be enrolled in a high school or have a high school degree or GED equivalent and pay the application fee which must be renewed every two years. Their deportation would result in the loss of 700 thousand jobs and the loss of $460 billion from the US economy,

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    Sep 5th 2017, 10:36 PM

    @Graham.Kavanagh:

    That imaginary line is called a border, and borders are real.

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    Sep 6th 2017, 6:34 AM

    @Remy: Borders are real.But so are these people that have been in America since they were knee high to a grasshopper.The countries that their parents came from are total alien to them.Deport the useless weepy guys that be marching on cities,chanting slogans..

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    Sep 6th 2017, 8:14 AM

    @Graham.Kavanagh:

    So the fact that they’re already breaking the law simply by being there is not factored into this programme I’m assuming?

    There’s a very valid reason for scrapping this. It essentially tells the world that if you get into America illegally with your kids and hold out for a few years they can get citizenship. It’s a reward for breaking the law.

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    Sep 6th 2017, 12:25 AM

    We all belong to this planet.

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    Sep 6th 2017, 7:23 AM

    I wonder when our lineage stopped being invaders and became residents, no…not invaders but rather immigrants. When did we stop being immigrants and became residents?

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    Sep 6th 2017, 9:19 AM

    These people were made legal by the Act, they’re not illegal immigrants, their average age is 26 and 90%they are working. Having left at 6 years old the majority have no relation to where they are being returned to.

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    Sep 6th 2017, 11:54 AM

    @Vawn Corrigan: People are adaptable. And if they are as intelligent as the whingers are making out, then they can only prosper and make their countries better places, eh?? Like a reverse brain drain.

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    Sep 6th 2017, 12:07 PM

    @Vawn Corrigan:

    No

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    Sep 6th 2017, 12:09 PM

    @Vawn Corrigan:

    This site needs an edit function.

    No, they are not legal immigrants when on DACA. The act gives them amnesty and it needs to be renewed every two years. If they fail to renew they can be deported.

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    Sep 6th 2017, 2:58 AM

    The first one to go so should be Donald Trumpf as his mother was an illegal German immigrant in the 1920′s!

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    Sep 6th 2017, 11:55 AM

    @Michael Walsh: She was actually a legal, gaelic speaking Scot. But those are just pathetic facts, eh??

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    Sep 6th 2017, 12:00 PM

    @Michael Walsh: Mary Anne MacLeod was issued immigration visa number 26698 at Glasgow on February 17, 1930.

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    Sep 6th 2017, 1:22 PM

    Wasn’t his proxy candidate defeated in the election. Time to butt out Mr ex president.

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    Sep 6th 2017, 12:37 AM

    It is so depressing to read so many heartless unthinking knee jerk pro Trump comments here ……. Undocumented , with an obligatory sympathy tag, applies only to Irish people obviously !!
    Makes me sick ….

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    Sep 6th 2017, 12:57 AM

    @judy burke: charity begins at home. Where’s your sympathy for those millions of legal American born and bred citizens who have been hugely negatively effected by mass immigration and who have every right to give priority to their own well being in their own country and not be accused of being racist for it by unreasonable bullies. It’s not their fault that so many other countries are complete sh!tholes.

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    Sep 6th 2017, 6:31 AM

    @TheGrannies: A small bit of advice for you.Either pick up a library book on American interference in Latin America (especially El Salvador) or make an appointment with a doctor…You’re Welcome!

    PS. Did Americans take those jobs that were going at the Trump winery/motels or at the farms..

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    Sep 6th 2017, 12:07 PM

    @judy burke:

    I have no sympathy for Irish illegals. I have no sympathy for any illegals.

    If you want to get into the country then follow the correct legal procedures. If you’re not willing or able then you should be deported.

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    Sep 6th 2017, 3:27 AM

    Just wondering is Trumps wife one of the people who will be deported

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