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The revolving doors of the Berkeley Court Hotel in Dublin. Niall Mullen

Want to buy-up pieces of old Dublin? Today's your chance

Original seats from the Stella Cinema in Rathmines are also up for grabs.

AN ICONIC PIECE of one of Dublin’s best known hotels is going under the hammer today along with 2,000 other items of Irish interest.

The revolving doors at the former Berkeley Court Hotel, a meeting point for many heading to matches at Lansdowne Road over the decades, have been in place since the 70s.

However, since the hotel has been sold to make way for apartments, the doors are up for sale.

The items are being sold by Niall Mullen who said that there is no reserve price for the lot.

He said: “We have the complete front of the Berkeley Court Hotel – the revolving door comes with eight other doors attached, between the frontage and internal lobbies.

This is a no reserve and some hotel or bar is going to get themselves a unique piece of Irish social and sporting history and a focal point for generations in the future.

“We are also selling the four Waterford Crystal-style chandeliers which immediately greeted visitors to the iconic hotel as well as some carpets from the ballroom.”

Other pieces of Dublin nostalgia up for grabs include the original seating from the Stella Cinema in Rathmines.

The sellers said that the seats are available in single units upwards, but Mullen believes that the buyers will need to refurbish the upholstery.

The auction will also feature the remaining lots that emerged too late from the former Central bank premises in Dame Street to be included in the original sale.

“In total, it took 22 articulated vehicles to remove the contents from Dame Street, and many of the contents for sale on Wednesday were discovered in an underground floor called U2 that no-one had told us about,” said Mullen.

The auction also features the iconic 1970s oak panelling from the Bank of Ireland in Baggot Street as well as items from La Stampa Restaurant, Stillorgan Park Hotel and a rare collection of 45 original antique fire grates.

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    Mute VinHeffer89
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    Jul 23rd 2015, 4:35 PM

    It depends on the car and the person. If you look after a car, service it regularly and don’t drive it too hard there’s absolutely no reason why a year 2000 car wouldn’t run perfectly.

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    Mute brendan hession
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    Jul 23rd 2015, 4:45 PM

    I have a 1994 car, runs perfectly no rust for that era. Don’t want to change because it does the job. so that means i can’t shop around, my choice is narrowing, the rest will try to screw ya on price.

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    Mute Anthony Lang
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    Jul 23rd 2015, 4:57 PM

    Even well maintained and responsibly driven by a careful driver, older cars have inferior passive and active safety features.

    When involved in car crashes, older cars present a much higher frequency of much more severe injuries.

    Car safety design has incrementally improved in the last decade.

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    Mute John Shaft
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    Jul 23rd 2015, 5:23 PM

    Car dealers and insurance companies forming a mutually beneficial relationship??

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    Mute Diarmuid Doran
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    Jul 23rd 2015, 6:38 PM

    Correct

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    Mute Harry Trafford
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    Jul 23rd 2015, 8:48 PM

    How much can all the air bags (5 i think) in my car be different to a new car. Its got abs and traction control. Whats wrong with it????

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    Mute Anthony Lang
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    Jul 23rd 2015, 9:14 PM

    Air bags deteriorate with age and may not activate when most needed in a car of over 12 years. Air bags are expensive to maintain.

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    Mute David G
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    Jul 23rd 2015, 4:39 PM

    The poor getting screwed again.

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    Mute Caroline Scanlan
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    Jul 23rd 2015, 4:43 PM

    I drive a 00, I have no penalty points, I’ve never had an accident, the car has never given me any trouble and NCT is up to date so why should I be forced to change it?
    If I’m not good enough for them to insure my car I won’t be going to them with any other insurance needs.

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    Mute Tordel Back
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    Jul 23rd 2015, 9:01 PM

    Much the same here, drive a 1998 1 litre car which passed the NCT first time for the past 3 years running, have never had an accident (touch wood) or claim of any kind in 16 years of driving, have no penalty points, and yet somehow I present such a dire risk to the premiums of those fortunate enough to drive newer cars that these sods won’t even insure me?

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    Mute molly coddled
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    Jul 24th 2015, 2:20 PM

    I’m exactly the same Caroline, my 00 Micra runs like a dream and passes the nct first time. I’ve never had an accident it it, drive safely, yet I am to be penalised just because I am not fortunate enough to fork out big wads of cash to a car dealership. The well established and experienced mechanic I get to look after it told me that any Micra built after 02 is significantly inferior to those made prior.

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    Mute Seamus Banna
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    Jul 23rd 2015, 5:15 PM

    I insured my car recently which is an 1998 opel Tigra. My old insurer wanted about €100 more than last years price of €380 so I looked around. Some companies wouldn’t even quote me because of the age of the car. I have a full no claims bonus and I’m 42. Chill.ie wanted €586 and Liberty all of €680!

    Went on to is4women.ie got a quote for €388 fully comprehensive. It certainly pays to shop around.

    The reason that the insurance industry is paying out more is because they couldn’t be bothered fighting claims (auto and other) that are just chancer’s having a go. My blood boils when I read a Judge telling a claimant that they should take a deal as they probably wouldn’t succeed at court! Insurance companies pay out knowing that we the motorist have to get insurance and so we have to take the pain. If some muppet walks out in front of a car and it is their fault then no money should be paid, end of. Getting a bit of soft tissue damage or a tiny cut on your head should not entitle you to €32,000.

    I actually read in my policy that I am insured for liability up €32,000,000. WTF sort of disaster could I possibly do to cause that sort of damage I ask you? Crash into and write off a Boeing 747 taxing down the runway in Dublin airport after taking a wrong turn off the M1?

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    Mute Aideen Pollard Mc Manus
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    Jul 23rd 2015, 5:26 PM

    Great comment

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    Mute The Throwaway
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    Jul 23rd 2015, 5:50 PM

    Seamus,
    That’s exactly it. Most people don’t realise at all that their insurance isn’t really ‘theirs’ at all. You can deny been at fault all you want, and have witnesses and video that backs you up as been in the right. But at the end of the day the insurance company look at the case and work out how much it’ll cost them to settle & just pay out, versus how much it’ll cost them to pay for a solicitor/barrister, court fees, etc to fight the case.
    Add to this that in the last 5 years the number of people making personal injury claims has gone through the roof! It’s one of the reasons (there’s a few) that premiums have gone up, especially this year and the last.

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    Mute Toddimus Maximus
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    Jul 23rd 2015, 4:43 PM

    I suppose this would mean premiums with both of these companies would come down? Passing their lesser risk of the board customer base onto their remaining customers. Of course that’ll happen….

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    Mute Rocket Racoon
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    Jul 23rd 2015, 5:07 PM

    That would be the overall aim. Maybe not a drastic decline, but at the very least a stabilisation of what we’re seeing at the moment.

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    Jul 23rd 2015, 5:35 PM

    Shirley, you can’t be serious. Not a chance they’ll ever pass it on to the consumer

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    Mute Red Ed
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    Jul 23rd 2015, 4:41 PM

    I’m covered by Aviva for the last 5 years pity I will have to cancel them now. I dont see what the problem is as long as there is an NCT. It’s boycott time!

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    Mute Al Gorithm
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    Jul 23rd 2015, 4:50 PM

    Doesn’t effect existing customers. Don’t shoot yourself in the foot just yet!

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    Mute Chris D
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    Jul 23rd 2015, 5:01 PM

    You think the price will remain the same for existing customers? there’s another 17% rise again for me next year.

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    Jul 23rd 2015, 4:39 PM

    Idiots! If u hit a bumper on a new car thats 3grand! My 2 cars all together worth 2000! So if i crash them which is cheaper for the insurance companies? If I buy a car now 5 times more expepensive, and double the power i would pay half the insurance than I pay now. What’s the sense?

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    Mute Rocket Racoon
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    Jul 23rd 2015, 4:43 PM

    Personal injuries. Which car protects you more? The brand new 152, or the 00 that might have already had a tip or 3?

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    Mute Pontius
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    Jul 23rd 2015, 4:46 PM

    This is simply a move to force people to upgrade. My insurance quote came in today e100 dearer than last year from the same company I’ve been with for 12 years.

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    Mute Aaron O Connor
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    Jul 23rd 2015, 4:56 PM

    My quote for this year worked out 60 percent higher than last year. Nononsense got slammed into the garbage when that quote arrived.

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    Mute glen curtis
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    Jul 23rd 2015, 5:54 PM

    I got the same from a farmer’s based insurance company. Called a broker in Harolds Cross who saved me €420 on my original insurer for the same policy and level of cover

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    Jul 23rd 2015, 4:57 PM

    Economy on the up .rip off Ireland returns with a vengeance

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    Mute ConcernedCitizen
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    Jul 23rd 2015, 4:40 PM

    Insuring the person more pertinent than insuring the car?

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    Mute Anthony Lang
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    Jul 23rd 2015, 9:15 PM

    Both are factors in safety.

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    Mute Geoff Bateman
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    Jul 23rd 2015, 4:52 PM

    Any excuse will do…..as long as they don’t have to pay out.My quote from the last year was 400, this year they wanted 1200.No claims, no penalty points exactly the same and my vehicle is only 7 years old!!!!!

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    Mute glenoir1
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    Jul 23rd 2015, 4:51 PM

    once it passes nct its roadworthy

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    Mute Gavin Redmond
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    Jul 23rd 2015, 4:53 PM

    All this will do is push more onto the road with on insurance. With a series knock on effect. So in hindsight what was/is the NCT actually for.

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    Mute Al Gorithm
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    Jul 23rd 2015, 4:53 PM

    Have a fairly solid dislike for parasite insurance companies. If you ever actually need them the mask slips. Who ever grows up wanting to be a “loss adjuster”??

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    Mute Ryan Harkin
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    Jul 23rd 2015, 5:07 PM

    17 year old Avensis and she is bullet proof and just past the third NCT without fail. Ah well if Aviva and Allianz dont want my custom thats fine with me….

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    Jul 23rd 2015, 6:32 PM

    Same here Ryan 15 years old though they are bullet proof fantastic car

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    Mute Barry Davidson
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    Jul 23rd 2015, 5:35 PM

    Two such announcements on the same day. Should the competition authority be involved.

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    Mute Joe Travers
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    Jul 23rd 2015, 8:32 PM

    Barry if I could give u a thousand thumbs up I would. nail on the head. The simi dealers need to get older cars off the road as it’s killing the second hand market for them. what is staggering is that politicians can stop this discrimination. Pretty soon driving will be a luxury for the well off.

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    Jul 23rd 2015, 4:44 PM

    Insurance is a joke. Just talk to anyone who has ever tried to use health insurance.

    If insurance wasnt a joke people wouldn’t be paying out of their own pocket when someone reverses into their car when doing their shopping.

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    Jul 23rd 2015, 4:53 PM

    Absolutely scandalous!

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    Mute Mark Waldron
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    Jul 23rd 2015, 5:11 PM

    If the car has an NCT certificate its deemed roadworthy. If the NCT isn’t stringent enough, change the test instead of applying yet another tax on the poor.

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    Mute Kal Ipers
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    Jul 23rd 2015, 5:09 PM

    What is strange about this is it used to be the law if you offered insurance you must offer insurance to everyone. You simply had to quote. When did this change? I saw people fired for telling a customer they wouldn’t insurance them. The quotes could of course be outlandish but you had to give a quote

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    Mute Rocket Racoon
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    Jul 23rd 2015, 5:22 PM

    An insurance company does not HAVE to give a quote. Each is allowed to set their acceptance criteria as they see fit in compliance with Central Bank Regulation.

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    Mute Kal Ipers
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    Jul 23rd 2015, 5:41 PM

    When did it change? I can only go on what was the regulator rules before. Surprised it was changed too

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    Mute John Moylan
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    Jul 23rd 2015, 8:32 PM

    incorrect. That is why we have the Declined Cases arrangement, which you access via the relevant Govt department

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    Mute Dave Doyle
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    Jul 23rd 2015, 5:28 PM

    I live in Bulgaria, i drive a ’95 golf that runs on petrol/gas, i keep it maintained, i have traveled the country in it here with no problems. Insurance, termed public responsibility here, costs me 100 Leva a year, or 50 euro. The car is insured, not me, anyone with a driving licence can drive it, i can drive any of the vans or cars here in the yard, as long as i take the vehicle’s documents with me. Insurance in Ireland has always been an excuse for a rip off. This is no more than an excuse to further gouge the pockets of the motorist.

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    Mute Dave Doyle
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    Jul 23rd 2015, 5:32 PM

    I dont have to tax the car (vignette) if i only use it around the town where it is registered. I only need to get a vignette, available at any petrol station if i intend to travel. As it costs only 68Leva (34 euro) for a years vignette for a car .. any car, i get it as a matter of course.

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    Mute Jack DaCosta
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    Jul 23rd 2015, 5:00 PM

    No classic or vintage cars on Aviva’s or Allianz’s books then.
    Hilarious.

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    Mute marian doherty
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    Jul 23rd 2015, 5:30 PM

    Don’t talk to me abt it! Two months back I tried to get my 99 Clio insured no where would touch it due to age!! But not a bother the year before with insurance, joke I ended up trading in and going up a few years to get insured f madness!!

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    Mute Anthony Whelan
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    Jul 23rd 2015, 5:44 PM

    Old cars don’t cause accidents. Driver error is the problem

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    Mute Anthony Lang
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    Jul 23rd 2015, 9:18 PM

    What happens if another car crashes into a safely driven car which does not conform to modern safety standards?

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    Nov 27th 2015, 1:18 PM

    nct is the law the law should not be amended by private companies who decide to enact part of it.I dont like some laws will i abide by part of them I dont think so id get jail

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    Mute David McShite
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    Jul 23rd 2015, 5:43 PM

    Cosy cartel between the insurance companies and the Irish motor industry one of which @rocket raccoon is clearly amember. This has all the hallmarks of an idea conceived on Portland golf course 19th hole.

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    Mute Barbara Edwards
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    Jul 23rd 2015, 5:51 PM

    My thinking on this relates to new drivers. Your first car is generally an older car and not uncommon for it to be 15yrs old. so our newbie drivers (I’ve two here) are going to have to save even more for the car plus astronomical ins costs.

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    Mute baz
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    Jul 23rd 2015, 4:50 PM

    Would it not make more sense to judge a car by the miles on the clock rather than how old it is.

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    Mute Breandán Ó HÉamhaigh
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    Jul 23rd 2015, 7:17 PM

    Rediculous, a 200,000 mile car can be every bit as good as a 50,000 mile car once it is properly maintained, cars are capable of 500,000+ miles

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    Mute Rod_TenⒸ
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    Jul 23rd 2015, 4:47 PM

    The test of a car is not how old it is it’s how much hardship it’s had, a 20 year old Rolls and a 20 year old Citroen are not the same now.

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    Mute Seán Ó Conchobhair
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    Jul 23rd 2015, 6:14 PM

    Kinda defeats the whole principle of insurance then doesn’t it. After all, their job is to insure the risk?! We pay extortionate rates for insurance in this country as it is but whatever. Another example of the tail wagging the dog in this banana republic of ours.

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    Mute Damien Roche
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    Jul 23rd 2015, 4:42 PM

    Does anyone know if they will still insure a car that is 18 years old, currently owned by an existing customer but not yet insured with them? Looking to transfer my current policy over to a different car.

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    Mute Rocket Racoon
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    Jul 23rd 2015, 5:24 PM

    It more than likely will only affect customers on a new quotation basis. Existing customers might br fine but you could see a charge. Best practice is to ring with the potential reg and ask!

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    Mute Damien Roche
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    Jul 23rd 2015, 5:27 PM

    Sounds about right Rocket. I’ll try and get it done before this outrageous ru le comes into affect anyway.

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    Jul 23rd 2015, 5:34 PM

    They likely brought it in with immediate effect… But when it comes to insurance if you dont ask you wont know. I don’t think they could really decline on an existing basis so you’d likely be fine, car depending as well of course. Don’t say the word Civic anyway! ;)

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    Jul 23rd 2015, 5:37 PM

    Hopefully when they hear the words “one litre polo” they might just let me off…

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    Mute Sandra Turner
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    Jul 23rd 2015, 6:40 PM

    My 92 micra is insured with Axa

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    Mute Damien Roche
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    Jul 24th 2015, 11:20 PM

    Turns out they will do it! :)

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    Mute Thomas O'Connor
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    Jul 23rd 2015, 6:56 PM

    Parasite insurance companies. Totally abhorrent to constitutional rights on property ownership.
    Your not allow have a 15 year old car now… Disgraceful
    Politicians need to act in the consumers best interest…
    According to the Insurance Federation of Ireland you can only be refused a quote of it not in the best interests of the public. More like a scam to get people to buy new cars….

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    Mute richard
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    Jul 23rd 2015, 6:59 PM

    I’ve a 98 with only 70k miles on it, never been in an accident and the cars running fine. Why am I being punished?

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    Mute Paul Reid
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    Jul 23rd 2015, 6:23 PM

    Just boycott them don’t have any insurance with them and then see what happens to the companies!!

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    Mute graham galvin
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    Jul 23rd 2015, 7:29 PM

    And even if they u turn they still deserve to go under for making a move like this.

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    Mute Frank Donaghy
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    Jul 23rd 2015, 6:14 PM

    Would VRT be the issue here as there is a decline on new car sales thus revenue is being lost another scam I think

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    Jul 23rd 2015, 7:08 PM

    Insurance companies don’t get VRT….

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    Mute glen curtis
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    Jul 23rd 2015, 9:29 PM

    So if you have a 15 year old merc/Volvo/Saab which are all laden with airbags, whiplash suppression headrests and anti-impact bars in the doors it is deemed unsafer than purchasing a new bog standard dacia or Tata with only 1 airbag each, no abs or traction control. b o l l I x to that! I know what my family is safer in. Surely there’s a case for discrimination there if you can’t afford a newer car

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    Jul 23rd 2015, 8:02 PM

    I had an 2000 Audi A8 320HP 4.2L up to 3 months ago. Run around car, 200kms a month. Had to get rid of it due to the stupid Road Tax system here. Safest car I ever drove and made a laugh of our 2012 3 Series BMW. Anyway,this is just another example of Paddy getting screwed again! These insurance companies’ are a law unto themselves. Need some regulation here. As far as I am concerned if my car passes the NCT then I am entitled to be able to obtain Insurance at a reasonable price. Just wondering what will happen to trucking companies? As a lot of their vehicles could be of that vintage as well. There is a battle to be fought in this country and it is a battle between “the people” and the Golden Circle Vested Interest Establishment Brigade!

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    Mute Stephen Cole
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    Jul 23rd 2015, 5:27 PM

    Guessing you work for one of those insurance company’s rocket. Biggest problem out there is people who buy cars for a few hundred quid who don’t give a damn if they have a crash because they can replace the car for another few hundred. What about all those idiots in new cars or so called prestige brands that think they own the road and don’t indicate and force themselves into lanes or out in front of other cars. Best thing to reduce accidents would be to have shorter time limits on licenses and force people to re do the test every few years.

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    Mute Rocket Racoon
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    Jul 23rd 2015, 5:38 PM

    In fact, I don’t. However I understand the concept of insurance. It’s a risk game. Of course there needs to be bigger clamp downs on drivers who are not fit for the road either. This is only half the battle for them to get back on track.

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    Mute David Smojver
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    Jun 1st 2016, 11:07 AM

    That is because the driving schools in Ireland are pure shite. No regulations, no real teaching how to drive or behave on the roads. Irish could be great drivers if driving schools would teach them how to drive. I have done over 40000 km each year all over Europe. Italian drivers are bad because they are Italian. Irish drivers are bad because nobody teaches them how to drive a car.

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    Mute John Greene
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    Jul 23rd 2015, 7:16 PM

    I tried to insure a 1999 astra with them they wouldn’t insure it because it’s to old and it has fresh nct

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    Mute John Moylan
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    Jul 23rd 2015, 8:27 PM

    What a crock, literally. Just goes to show the NCT isn’t with the paper it’s printed on. Except maybe the €400m Applus are making out of it…. .. and then there’s the issue of the figures. Frankly I wouldn’t believe a single word from those insurance companies. …there goal is obfuscation in the pursuit of profit. The fact of the matter is that the national fleet of vehicles is getting older, not younger, and will soon hit the 10 year average. It follows therefore that the majority of accidents will be in cars of that age. They are simply in the majority….of we were all issued with free 152-reg cars in the morning, guess what, new cars would be in most accidents. …so what then, bar insurance on all new cars instead ?? No, this is a cynical money grabbing ploy and the Govt need to step in and prevent another PMPA scale catastrophe : the prospect of 250,000 uninsured cars on our roads means they should either pull these companies into line, or pull their licence to write cover on the first place.

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    Jul 23rd 2015, 6:33 PM

    I had this problem trying to insure a car before, every insurance company bar 1 had refused to quote me on a car that was according to them “too old”.
    I think it’s a little insulting to be honest, if someone has chosen to take on the financial burden of running a car in this country they better well be able to
    afford a car the insurance companies deem worth insuring.

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    Mute Mario Marchetti
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    Jul 23rd 2015, 11:30 PM

    When the f**k are we going to stand up for ourselves in this country? They have no right to say whether a vehicle is road worthy or not; they are not mechanics, the RSA, NCT or anything else. They are an insurance company. This will greatly affect people who cant afford a new car, not every can. Another slap in the face for poorer people. Also interesting that these companies with interests in other countries have only annouced this schems in Eire and no other. Im guessing they figure no one either the public or authorities will bother fighting it… This crap boils my blood.

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    Mute Pater Byrne
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    Jul 23rd 2015, 8:01 PM

    classic insurance then so boys and girls. €195 for the year.

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    Jul 23rd 2015, 9:31 PM

    only works if you’ve got a second policy unfortunately and you’re restricted to the miles you can cover

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    Mute Thomas O'Connor
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    Jul 23rd 2015, 7:01 PM

    Went on to AXA which said they quote for older cars. €1126. Spin snd lies
    I drive a fully restores 1992 jeep. Superior to any new car. 17 indurance providers won’t quote me or crazy money.

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    Mute Rashers Tierney
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    Jul 23rd 2015, 7:06 PM

    According to Conor Faughnan of the AA on radio today motor insurance premiums have been far too low hitherto and are set to rise quite sharply soon. As much as 20% perhaps.

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    Jul 23rd 2015, 8:03 PM

    Conor would say that wouldn’t he.the company he works for are one of the most expensive in the country for insurance

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    Mute Anthony Lang
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    Jul 23rd 2015, 5:08 PM

    ABS, ESP and other aids, such as lane departure warnings, help with active safety. Newer braking systems are more effective. Modern multi link suspension makes for safer handling. These are examples of active safety.

    Passive safety wise, the passenger area is car is safer due to controlled deformity, grater structural strength. more effective and functioning air bags and many other safety measures such as greater protection against impact injury within cars. Safety belts and air bags deteriorate with age. Older glass windows cause more serious lacerations in a collision. I could go on.

    The NCT focuses more on active safety than on passive safety.

    It is frightening to think that the safety design of a motor care has a major factor either in survival rates or in protection against permanent disabling injury.

    All else being equal, I would prefer to take my chances in a collision in a 5 year old car than in 15 year old car.

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    Mute Sarah O'Sullivan
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    Jul 23rd 2015, 6:10 PM

    Anthony if people cant drive a car safely without the likes of lane departure warnings then they shouldnt be on the road in the first place. All of this technology doesnt make people better drivers, in fact it can be the opposite. My 01 Almera is going like a bomb..it barely has electric windows but that doesnt mean its more or less likely to get into an accident than any other car. Drivers cause collisions, not cars. You can argue that newer cars may hold up better in a crash but were not talking about model T’s here..were talking about relatively modern 14/15 year old cars. If you’re gonna have a serious accident at speed or hit a larger vehicle like a truck then it wont make a whole lot of difference if you’re driving a 15 year old car or a 5 year old car.

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    Jul 23rd 2015, 7:20 PM

    I drove a BMW 7 series for years without any of these so-called aids and never once hit anything while I was parking. In fact these aids can make people more careless and what about if there’s a fault and they don’t work?

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    Mute Anthony Lang
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    Jul 23rd 2015, 9:23 PM

    If every driver was safe, competent and never ever suffered a lapse in concentration or never suffered from distraction and never, ever encountered another driver who was driving inattentively or carelessly, then vehicle safety standards might be less important.

    I am not referring to the perfect and infallible drivers who have special bullet proof cars which drive like bombs. I’m referring to average vehicles.

    Exceltions are not a sensible basis for underwriting practices.

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    Nov 27th 2015, 1:46 PM

    its not up to insurance co to fine tune the nct between active and passive safety its the law also by your logic a 1 year old is safer than a 5 tr old so dont insure 5 yr old

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    Jul 23rd 2015, 4:42 PM

    It’s not hard to see where these companies are coming from. Motor claims are on a steep incline and due to this premiums will be affected. In order to combat this, insurance companies are refusing to take on undesirable risks, as is their right. NCT or not, a car of 15 years old is less reliable and a greater risk on the road than a newer car. Not all cars or drivers can be tarred with the same brush of course, but the numbers obviously speak for themselves.

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    Jul 23rd 2015, 4:46 PM

    I don’t see the correlation..so I am in a 20-year old car and you are in a 6-year old one.
    So I may have a greater chance of a mechanical issue..yes..but a greater chance of an accident and hence a claim?
    I cannot see that. I doubt many accidents are as a result of a part failing on the car…I’d say the vast majority are down to driver error and that will be a constant regardless of the age of the car.

    Clearly the insurance companies have an agenda here and it is simply to maximise profits so, as you say, the numbers must somehow add up for them but it is not clear why this is.

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    Mute Rocket Racoon
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    Jul 23rd 2015, 4:48 PM

    But in an accident which car will offer you greater protection? High chance older cars have already been in an accident or are structurally weaker due to age. In an accident this could lead to higher injuries pay outs.

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    Mute Angry Squirrel
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    Jul 23rd 2015, 4:50 PM

    Your talking crap raccoon my car has never given me trouble I keep it well maintained its a 00. It’s another insurance company bullshxt rule.

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    Jul 23rd 2015, 4:56 PM

    As I said, cannot be applied to every driver or car, however stats clearly speak for themselves when it comes to claims. Insurance companies are businesses not charities. They need to write profit like any other company in any sector. This is their way of maximising profitable business.

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    Mute Patrick Tangney
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    Jul 23rd 2015, 5:10 PM

    A 2000 Audi A6 would fare much better in an accident than a 2015 Micra

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    Jul 23rd 2015, 5:14 PM

    Cars might be safer today than they were say 15 year ago but I wouldn’t think they’re all that much safer?, most of the major difference is in aesthetic design and spec, we’re not talking about cars from the 70′s or 80′s. here.

    No car is an invincible tank, the driver is the key!.

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    Jul 23rd 2015, 5:15 PM

    There are still variables such as that yes, however I point to Anthony Lang’s comment above re passive safety features. Compare that 00 A6 with a 152 A6? I know which one I’d want to be in if I was unfortunate to have n accident.

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    Mute Patrick Tangney
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    Jul 23rd 2015, 5:23 PM

    well not everyone is going to be able to afford 152 A6. a lot of the new cars on the road are smaller size cars which would turn to mush once put up against an older luxury car, even road holding, I used to drive a 2000 A6 and the road holding on it far exceeded what you could hope for in even a 2014 golf or Toyota corolla, imagine a Volkswagen lupo clinging onto a bend at 80k an hour in comparison to an Audi or Merc. No comparison regardless of what’s on the number plate, a car that’s built in 2000 still has a lot of safety features in it that stand up well to todays safety requirements

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    Mute John Moylan
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    Jul 23rd 2015, 8:51 PM

    you seriously think my 10+ Saab is not safe? Swedish cars are noted for their safety. they don’t get less safe with age…and it would still be better than a new shoebox car. You’re taking complete BS.

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    Jul 23rd 2015, 9:12 PM

    that’s what I was saying John

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    Mute Gregory Koba
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    Dec 15th 2016, 4:03 PM

    @Rocket Racoon:what about all classic and vintage cars???????

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    Mute Brendan
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    Jul 23rd 2015, 10:45 PM

    This is just a pure revenue move as a car 15 year old which is NCTd every year is as safe as any car on the road

    Let them stop taking insurance its their loss hope it hits them hard

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    Mute Conor O'donnell
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    Jul 24th 2015, 2:55 PM

    Rip off Ireland up to its usual tricks again!….. 1) driving test fee starts off at 40 Euro,then 85Euro,now 110 euro..then forcing drivers to get the 12 lessons before they can do a test.
    2) Nct test was 25 Euro,now 55 Euro…and then forcing a yearly test on cars over 10 years old
    3) rip off tax and insurance and now refusing it on the 15 year old car. Probably persuaded by dealers in some ways. Most guys are happy enough driving a simple old yoke with a solid and durable engine and with a yearly test done on them,,,where is the problem.
    Still think these measures are really for safety?…..the answer is no.

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    Mute Colm K
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    Jul 24th 2015, 11:09 AM

    Penalising people who actually look after and take pride in their cars in this country. Will be boycotting Allianz and Aviva for all their Insurance products from now on.

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    Jul 23rd 2015, 5:11 PM

    It’s actually very simple economics. Aviva & Allianz have looked at their books and seen these risks are on a whole COSTING them money. Surely anyone out there would do the very same if they were in charge? No? Ok. Feel free to join Quinn & Setanta in their graves so. :)

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    Mute John Moylan
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    Jul 23rd 2015, 8:55 PM

    ..you’re not getting it are you ? no one believes them. They have an awful record when it comes to customer service. They are more endured than anything else.

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    Mute Rusty3578 ^
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    Jul 23rd 2015, 9:50 PM

    You just have 2 laugh

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    Mute Brian Tierney
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    Jul 24th 2015, 8:15 AM

    By my warped logic it can be argued that newer cars cause greater damage in accidents to older cars due to there’re superior build and it’s new cars should bear the brunt of increased insurance premiums. This of course is based on the fact thati will be trying to insure my 01 MG Zr at the end of the year

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    Mute Lazlo Saint Pierre
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    Jul 24th 2015, 3:26 AM

    Par for the course in this rotten country. Golden circle blood sucking leeches and no-one to protect the consumer. Announced conveniently at the start of the “Governments” annual 2 months off for the summer.
    Any reporters wish to get onto Edna and see what he has to say about it. “Well let me tell you something, this country is the best place in the world to insure a suitable car . . . ” I emailed both Aviva and Allianz and told them what I thought of them, that I won’t be looking to them when I need insurance and that I will suggest anyone who asks me to avoid them also. It won’t make any difference but it does no harm either. Also consider the companies who are agents for both these companies. One Direct I think is underwritten by Aviva. Not sure of any others.

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    Mute Ronan McKeon
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    Jul 23rd 2015, 6:40 PM

    You could at least use a picture on the article that’s representative of the cars that they are no longer insuring, perhaps a battered Almera with a mismatched panel and one brake light working. Or a people carrier Covered in hand prints that hasn’t seen the inside of a garage in 6 years.
    Insurers don’t ask for the actual NCT cert when insuring a car so there are plenty of insured sh*theaps on the roads with us. Insurers are still obliged to pay out personal injuries that these drivers cause including to the passengers in these heaps.

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    Jul 23rd 2015, 8:26 PM

    Why are people going on about never been in an accident or car never giving them trouble? IF you’re in accident you’re more likely to be injured in an older car which means big payout. They are clearly losing money insuring older cars. Its a business not a charity.

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    Mute John Moylan
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    Jul 23rd 2015, 8:46 PM

    @will stamp: well let them prove it then. Because frankly I don’t believe them. There is nothing in RSA statistics that will show car condition as anything other than a miniscule factor in car accidents. Cats don’t crash, drivers do. Car age is completely irrelevant.

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    Jul 23rd 2015, 8:57 PM

    Its about risk. Drivers who crash older cars (which can happen to anyone regardless of past driving experience) tend to get injured more due to lesser safety features. Its clearly an unpopular move so they wouldnt be doing for good PR. At the end of the day they have to prove nothing to no one. People don’t complain if they can do their weekly shop in tesco cheaper than they can in supervalu but for some reason think insurance should be different. Go with the cheapest. problem solved

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    Mute John Moylan
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    Jul 23rd 2015, 11:04 PM

    ..but Will, two companies coincidentally do this on the same day = price fixing/cartel , which is illegal.

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    Jul 24th 2015, 3:11 PM

    Don’t pay into their pension funds or buy their life insurance

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    Jul 24th 2015, 2:10 PM
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    Jul 23rd 2015, 8:34 PM

    @Ryan and angry, what mileage are on those cars at 15 and 17 years old.

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    Mute Martin Finn
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    Aug 30th 2016, 4:08 PM

    This is an old story brewing… but I am bloody pissed off with this rip-off protected monopoly market. Insurers just screwing customers at will and in a concert. This is exactly the kind of anti-competitive behavior which should have their exec’s thrown in a (Brazilian) jail and left to consider their misdeeds.
    And YES, its affects me. The owner of a lovely old 1993 Mercedes 190E. It has a valid legal motor worthiness papers and yet I was forced to get a ‘independent assessor’ to do another expensive test before I could even get a quote from the same insurer I have paid for 6 years, without any claim. That second report says “this vehicle is kept in a very good condition” and yet still my insurance has leapt from €379 to €945!
    It’s a total scam, run by self serving cartels… and guess what. None of the other CARtel mobsters will even offer a quote.
    Nor can I avail of reasonable insurance rates offered in the UK, because the government protects the CARtel from any competition.

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    Mute David Vaskor
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    Mar 13th 2016, 3:06 PM

    Best way to sort this insurance companies is get your,, Old car” crash in to 5 parked BMW when one of them cost 30k e and than cancle insurance…. When they ask u what happend the answer suppose to be old car :-D

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    Mute ed w
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    Feb 18th 2016, 2:09 PM

    Insurance companies finance companies banks all part of the same cartel. It’s just la way of driving borrowing.

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    Dec 15th 2016, 3:43 PM

    Hi all. Recently i bought an opel corsa year 2000. Its been parked up in a garage for last 5 years. Car has 34000 miles with a full service history and 1 owner. After doing a small clean and vax job it looks like i just bought a new car. Shame cars like that will be scrapped soon. People hv Power to stop that tho. Lets all give up an insurance for a year and it be all back to normal coz PEOPLE HAVE POWER WHEN 1 FOR ALL AND ALL FOR 1 .

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    Dec 15th 2016, 3:34 PM

    Hi every1. I just bought an opel corsa year 2000. It has been kept in a garage for last 5 years. After doing a small visual job on it it looks like that car just came out of a dealership. 34000 miles on it. Full service history.1 owner. Shame that cars like that will be scrapped soon. I always said that people have a great power when get together. I suggest nobody in Ireland to get a car insurance and things will change very quick back to da way it was. People POWER.

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    Jul 24th 2015, 7:07 PM

    But only driving it about 40 miles twice a week or so ensures it is not really hard used. Some rurals just use one for shops a couple of times, it is rare to go a long trip, say once or twice a year. Mothers is not the money to do so.

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    Jan 14th 2016, 8:36 PM

    FBD refused in 2015 to ensure a 2003 registered car …. This has been going on for a while now

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    Mute David Smojver
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    Jun 1st 2016, 11:04 AM

    Another bullshit excuse. Insurance companies in Ireland are the biggest crooks. They do not respect EU regulations. Ireland also do not regulate the insurance companies, especially when it comes to upping up the prices. They might be competitors on the face of it, behind closed doors, they all agree to do the same thing. Then customers are left with no choice but to pay the higher premiums. They are the criminals of the worst sort.

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    Jan 13th 2017, 2:51 AM

    I reckon to stop people driving with no insurance, they get you to pay a whole year so you can’t cancel, and if you do the police would know automatically and want to know why and where’s the car, I guy hit me that his insurance was cancelled but he still had the disc, the police should be told when it’s cancelled. We pay for assessment that won’t pay, that’s why it’s through the roof.

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