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IRELAND WILL NEED 550,000 more homes and 660,000 more jobs for a one million increase in population by 2040.
The government has published a draft of its long-term strategic planning framework for future growth and prosperity, Ireland 2040 – Our Plan, and is calling for input from the public.
Of the one million extra people, 25% are planned for Dublin and another 25% across Cork, Limerick, Galway and Waterford.
According to the draft national planning framework this will enable all four cities to grow their population and jobs by 50-60%.
The remaining 50% of growth is to occur in towns, villages and rural areas.
Some of the objectives of the national planning framework are to:
Minister of State for Housing and Urban Development Damien English said, “Twenty years ago, we were a country of 3.5m people; by 2040, that will be approaching 6m people and an island population of nearly 8 million.”
From today until 3 November, the public can review the draft plan and make written submissions.
Minister for Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform Paschal Donohoe said:
“The feedback from the public consultation phase will assist in finalising Ireland 2040 so that there is a robust, clear and realistic strategic planning framework for my Departments to progress the appropriate budgetary and investment follow-through, in particular through the 10-year National Investment Plan, which will be published together with the National Planning Framework.”
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We will probably still be talking of what to do about the housing crisis in 2040.
@Dave Murray: Nope the pension crisis where we will only have 2:1 workers vs retirees by 2040 will take top billing
@Ian McNally: Trying to pay all those public sector pensions will bankrupt the country
@Peter King: Indeed it will, and then there’s all the people that blindly think the state pension is still going to exist in 20 years and have done nothing else about looking after their retirement years
@Dave Murray: We have as an EU country one of the lowest rates of Homelessness in the EU at around 0.15%. Even the Great Germany is around the 0.50%. Agreed that it is a crisis for those who are genuinely “homeless” most of whom are centred around Dublin, followed by Cork but in the scheme of things it is not really a crisis. The problems is that The State pushed investment (jobs) into the cities but did not build the properties to house the increasing workforce. If incentives had been given to companies to locate outside the cities we would not be having this problem.
@Dave Murray: Intelligent people and their politicians would be planning to prevent such a population increase here rather than yapping about how they will deal with the consequences…..
@Dave Murray: im suprised theres not more than a million pop growth in 23 odd years.
@Shawn O’Ceallaghan: Emigrated, would you say? They don’t survey emigrants, I think they count them as tourists.
Of the 1 million new people, how many will be Irish?
@Imperator Scottorum:
All the ones with Irish citizenship.
@Imperator Scottorum: the 340000 on the dole
@Imperator Scottorum:
Given that 100,000 out of 150,000 currently on social housing list are non-nationals, I’d say business as usual with open-door policies until then, unless a political part is born that puts a stop to that clearly self-destructive nonsense.
O Conn…not doubting you but where did you get that statistic?
@P.J. Nolan: So if we don’t have enough of the genuine article, we can just manufacture thousands of fakes out of thin air by giving them a piece of paper?
@Ó Connmhaigh: Can i get a source for that figure please? Or did you just pluck it from the sky?
@Imperator Scottorum:
Get used to it
The ESRI.
Here’s a report in the Herald to be getting on with.
www dot herald dot ie
news/over-half-on-housing-list-are-foreign-27973856.html
@Ó Connmhaigh: “It’s definitely true, it’s from the ERSI, here’s a broken link to the Herald to prove it “
@Ó Connmhaigh: You are wasting your time trying to make a point with the anti Irish who actually live and were born in Ireland, they love to see scammers helping themselves to the taxes you paid over the years. € 3,000 will buy you cheaper 3rd level and eventually get around € 12,000 a year sent to you wherever you go to live after you buy an Irish passport. Trying to be true to your birth country is now a dirty word these days regardless how many come here for the weather rather than the social welfare and how many real Irish people who pay for the system lose out.
@P.J. Nolan: Irish citizenship means you hold an Irish passport.It means you are a CITIZEN of Ireland.What it doesn’t do,is make you Irish if you’re not.Easy enough to understand.
@P.J. Nolan: If someone is born and bred in Warsaw of Polish parents and they obtain an Irish passport,they then become Irish citizens,but they remain Polish,and Polish only.Nobody can ‘become’ Irish.You either are Irish or you’re not.See how this works?
@Kieran Conroy: I’m with you and Trump, Kieran – All those Irish undocumented in the US who claim to be American should be sent home immediately; they and their kids will never be true Americans! NEVER! (I think that’s the just, but using legal Polish immigrants instead of illegal Irish).
@Gulliver Foyle: Yep.All illegal Irish in America should be deported ASAP. They broke the law.They are criminals.Embarrassing how the government calls them ‘un-documented’ and tries to get special treatment from the U.S. for them.
@Gulliver Foyle: Polish people in Ireland are perfectly welcome and perfectly legal.Great people.I’m saying they can never be Irish.And they can’t.Actually,99% of them probably don’t want to be.And rightly so.
@Gulliver Foyle: I’m speaking common sense here matey.Knew it wouldn’t be long before some “liberal” brought up Trump.It was you.Well done for your very original comment.Pathetic.
@Kieran Conroy: If I’ve mis-understood you in any way I apologise.
@Kieran Conroy: @Gulliver Foyle
@Jho Harris: Ireland, or Europe in general, won’t survive without a huge influx of people from Africa and the Middle East, the future must be a multicultural one. With more and more types of work becoming automated, the introduction of cultures unburdened with the dogma of a traditional work ethic is a must. The banks will issue help to keep order during this difficult transition by the introduction of a Universal Basic Income. Those availing of this allowance, for security, convenience and peace of mind, will receive a complimentary, implantable RFID chip for ease of access. To achieve this new world order, this community of equals, it is imperative that the dominant white European Christian patriarchy be dismantled. This can be achieved through the promotion of counterbalancing doctrines such as feminism, open borders and hate speech and health and safety legislation.
@Imperator Scottorum: You do realise many of the jobs in Ireland require language skills? all the EMEA jobs in Google, Microsoft, Facebook. You know the Whole World doesn’t speak English right? Amount of ignorance on how many foreddners are actually doing jobs Irish people couldn’t do is staggering.
@Niall Brew: Your argument implies that we should have a skills-based immigration system, whereby we admit non-nationals with skills that the Irish do not have. I agree with such a system. But that’s not what is in place at the moment. It’s a free for all, and Paddy has to foot the bill. The Census showed more non-Irish unemployed than Irish unemployed. Why are they here? And for every non-Irish Google employee we have a rake of non-Irish taxi drivers. Why are they here? Are these the skills we need? You talk of my ignorance, but you’re swimming in bliss.
@Saul Judah Warburg: You are deluded, I referred to scammers who are coming here for free stuff while the elderly Irish people who have worked all their lives to build up a welfare system get nothing. It is frightening to read your opinion about multiculturism being the future when it is based on a situation if we accept their culture by people who hate everything about our culture. If you fancy an Ireland devoid of art go ahead and true to promote the religion whose followers want us non believers dead. You really must hate Irish white women because you are promoting a hell on earth for them from the age of as young as 9. See how you might survive in Africa or The middle East and let us know how you get on.
@Jho Harris: What do you mean, the elderly get nothing? Senior citizens do have benefits – they’ve earned them. Don’t drag them into your tirade against furriners.
@Fiona Fitzgerald: I have not dragged anyone into my comment, you need to learn to read properly. I was making a point not about foreigners I don’t like scammers and if you had an Irish way of thinking you would realise what I meant by suggesting pensioners “get nothing” perhaps I should have gone into the fact that they get less then they used to and also should have included those who are ill. But as always you are another who wants to seize on one line made and ignore the rest of it, even the bit I made a case for your gender.
@Ó Connmhaigh: do you really expect people to believe you?you just made up those numbers and don’t have to check the real statistics to know it just by looking at your numbers!!
Skyscrapers are inevitable…
@Paul Foot: why?
@Gillian Weir Scully: For 4 cities to increase their population by 50/60% – keep up¡
@Paul Foot: absolutely. Build up is the only way. With such a high demand for housing why put 40 apartments on a site when the sky is literally the limit and could easily have 200 apartments in the same spot.
@Peter Cavey: Given that the netherlands supports a population 4 times that of Ireland with half the area, I’m sure that going up is the only way. While I agree that the high rise luddites are holding us back, there is more than enough space on this Island for 10 million more by making the best use of what the empty space, rather than trying to force cram the cities.
@Gulliver Foyle: Dublin has enough, it is full to or beyond its capacity and time to move outside Dublin. The world, doesn’t revolve around Dublin and time for change!
@Gulliver Foyle: Netherlands is only over a quarter the area size of Ireland. Are you excluding the North? Holland is about the size of Munster.
So a plan that requires half a million extra houses, but with no clue as to how these will be built. Let’e leave it to the private market, because that worked out so well for us recently. How they can call that a plan is beyond me.
@David Knight: I can tell you how to build them, find someone to tell us where ?
There’s been absolutely zero meaningful debate on immigration- that’s the issue on the public’s tongue. The most obvious thing to ask is how many of these people will be Irish born?
What social benefit is there from immigration? For who? Who is the demos in our democracy?
@AdijazzJohnson:
The issue on the publics tongue is it….
Funny then that the only political party that I’m aware of that campaigned on this issue in the last election, Identity Ireland, got a few hundred votes.
Migration into the republic should at least be restricted until the public service and housing catches up with present demand. After the German election results and Brexit pointing to public dissatisfaction with immigration who could argue against restrictions to worker categories in demand…we are not stuck for bus and taxi drivers, religious ‘leaders’ or social welfare spongers…
Infrastructure in a lot of places is bursting at the minute. We simply can’t sustain this extra traffic on our roads
@Life in no motion: We need to install more meters, it will solve all our problems.
2040. What about today? Gov publishing it’s long term strategy and they’re struggling badly today!
@Adrian: It states clearly that it is not that bad “today” as it may (and probably will) be much worse in the future !! Happy days !!
Free homes to all yeaaaa. And if you already have paid for one you can get a refund.…….
LONG LIVE IRELAND.
@marty johnbann: Awww another of the misinformed “I pay for everything” brigade. Please link to anything even remotely resembling a situation where someone got a free home?
@Arnold Lane: Have you missed the last 5 decades? With the exception of this recent reduction in the building of houses, councils have been building properties on demand, and selling them back to tenants at 60% discount with rent at a 2% of the house price per year. Unless you were absolutely useless with money, they state was given people on low and no income dole and rent supplements the money (around €1000/year) to pay “rent/repayments” for hundreds of thousands of houses which eventually passed into private ownership. In my own county (Donegal), every second house is now a holiday home for someone living in London or Dublin that was paid for by their parents dole. If that’s not a free house, I don’t know what is.
@Gulliver Foyle: Yes but it’s still not free though!
@Arnold Lane: It is if in the few cases it is paid for by the council and what little rent the tenant is liable for is paid for out of the free money they are given for nothing. In this case, it is ‘free’.
Ireland at present is no longer a sovereign state and by 2040 Irish identity and culture will be a long lost memory, we will be totally integrated into a federal EU where open borders will be the norm, native Irish people will be the minority along with religion etc. Not alone will houses / jobs be needed but new schools / hospitals infrastructure.
It is about time we sent some people back to their home countries and then no need to increase the population by 2040.
Its not a housing crisis but an immigration crisis – a small island is being transformed into a concrete jungle. People world wide should have less children.
@GO GREEN: There will be concrete only in Dublin
So the landlords’ régime plans to increase the population of the 26 counties by an extra million people over the next 20 years?
But where is this extra million people to come from? The fertility rate of the Native Irish has fallen below replacement level, and the régime has no plans whatsoever to change that. So, the Native Irish population will be shrinking over the next 20 years. We must conclude then that the régime is planning to pack in another million immigrants over the next two decades. By that time, the Native Irish will be the old and the dying, while the young and dynamic will be alien invaders.
This is a more profound Genocide than anything the Brits ever did to us.
Where will we get 1m extra people 550k extra homes and 600k extra jobs by 2040. They must have forgotten to factor in emigration no builders and the extra jobs will be a miracle.
So that approx 24000 homes per year, the country is in big trouble as the government is not capable of dealing with this massive housing requirement, if that’s the homes needed and the population will increase by 1 million imagine the transport problems, we are fooked,
@Mick Hannigan: Transport , energy , water and sewerage infrastructure , all things which will be left out of any planning . They couldn’t even build houses without putting them in flood plains , what chance to build 550,000 in the right place .
550,000 new homes for 1m people. Hardly high density living.
@Nick Allen: picking figures out of the sky or written on a cigarette box by the Special Communications Unit. Haha
@Nick Allen: No mention of size of the homes or how much space they will occupy. Needed to calculate density
@Paul Coughlan:
It also says that we only need 660,000 new jobs for the 1m people. Therefore 380,000 will not be working. As this 57% not working I am issuing that they will not all be unemployed. If we allow 5% unemployment then that means there will be 360k neither working nor unemployed so a fair assumption is that they will be children (I am ruling out OAPs as this is new population). So with 43% of the 1m people potentially being children they are only allocated an average of 1.8 people per house. Is the plan to build a few ghost estates?
@Kal Ipers:
By density I am referring to the density of population per house, not land density which would require size and space. This only requires the number of houses and the number of people staying in the houses to calculate the average density
@Nick Allen: Then you really really don’t understand what people talk about high density housing
@Nick Allen: send for Dracula to reduce the population to the undead.
@Kal Ipers:
Of course I understood high density housing is but if you read my post correctly i said high density LIVING and not housing. As I explained, I was referring to the density per house. The hint was there in that I explicitly stated that it was only 1.8 People per house. Do try and keep up.
Adopt the chinese way. Permission for one child. That should slow the need for More houses down conciderably.
@Dave barrett: But , but . What about all the talk of having to bring in millions of doctors and engineers from across the Med to pay for our pensions in the future .
Pyramid schemes only work if you can get out before they implode .
@Paddy Hayden: reason we need these people like those in the construction industry is because of last economic crash where developers shafted sub contractors who at this stage for carpenters, plumbers, electricians are hopefully in employment in another sector and most certainally dont wont back to being shafted again
@Dave barrett: the Chinese now realise this was a mistake – one child per couple. Their population is now ageing much quicker than the numbers being born. Not enough young workers coming through to maintain the status quo.
@Dave barrett: I agree. It’s a global issue not just nationally though
@Dave barrett: It’s not really where I was going with my comment . My point would be , why do we have to import people , when we are making it so difficult for the Irish to raise kids . Import seems to be the answer for everything . No training , paying decent wages , incentiveizing people off the dole instead of just hiding them in some w@nk back to work scheme .
@Paul Coughlan: Nonsense – Chinese migrate large number of their workers to developing countries in Asia and Africa.
@Dave barrett: There’s no need for that. Just stop importing people from the third world.
Clicking into the link brings you to the video. ‘The Plan’ comments from the public to be submitted no later than 16 March 2017. A bit late to be highlighting on the Journal, don’t you think?
We cant look after the current population. Robot’s will take a lot of jobs in the next 20 years. 1 million more , 1 million less would make more sense
This country would have a population of 30 million had the famine not happened and had emigration levels here been similar to the rest of Europe. So this is no big deal.
@Fred Jetson: there was no famine Fred. It was intentional starvation of the indigenous population.
@Fred Jetson: if my aunt had balls she’d be my uncle. This country is not capable of dealing with an extra 1million people 550k houses and 660k jobs. Infrastructure not there. What about schools hospitals etc besides housing. This was pursued in the Celtic Tiger era. Sounds like rehashing old stuff. This is the Special Communications unit at work. Alternative facts.
If they’re really serious on achieving these goals the government need to step in and get a few very tall developments greenlit to set a precedent for the future. There are too many people living in the past. Our larger towns should also allow higher developments to stop them spreading out into the countryside. We have too many one-off developments as it is.
@Awkward Seal: shure all the high rises are needed in Dublin. Not in rural areas.
Maybe scary thought though.
There goes my state pension
the government cant deal with the current housing crisis this is a pr stunt costs nothing to fill their inbox with our musings and they will say they still need more input by 2040
@Matthew O’Kane: I found this link which outlines the governments policy on this matter .
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/kick_the_can_down_the_road
Its high time we sorted out the problems we have not the problems we are going to have in twenty years .
With all these extra people living and working in Ireland by 2040 we might take in billions in extra tax to allow government to finally axe the USC temporary tax. Woohoo!!! Future looking Rosey. I’ll be 69 by then just starting to enjoy my retirement
@Robby D: if FG/FF are still doing the rounds by 2040, chances are retirement for the public at 80, while TD’s retire at 35 with strong pensions
@Robby D: I’ll be gone and I won’t get a refund.
1. Build an outer motorway ring road linking Drogheda, Navan, Kilcullen, Tullow and Arklow.
2. Develop the ports of Drogheda and Arklow as container ports.
3. Have a dedicated lorry lanes on the ring road.
4. Abolish the speed limit on motorways outside urban areas.
5. Concentrate the building of new towns and new industries inside the outer motorway ring road and outside the M50.
6. Finish the motorway linking Cork, Limerick, Galway, Sligo and Letterkenny then develop the satellite towns.
7. Develop tax free incentivized bus corridors between the main cities and the satellite towns.
8. In the new towns the Government should fund houses owned by the Government but rented at a lower rent than in the cities. People in these houses should have free travel to their workplace each working day.
@Micheal S. O’ Ceilleachair: I know you mean well but not much left of the country after you do that – we are talking about a small island here – can you least rebuild the old railways for freight to get polluting lorries off the road.
@Micheal S. O’ Ceilleachair:
Totally agree. We must both build more densely inside Dublin, and massively increase home building in towns in Kildare, Meath and Wicklow. The outer orbital motorway will facilitate this and also take a lot of pressure off the M50.
2040……WTAF!!!! Thats a hell of a long time to spend kicking the can down the street. Another housing minister not taking ownership in 2017. Dissapointing…..
@Nigel Mcatamney: Disappointing but not at all surprising.
Haha.
That’s 25,000 homes per year that need to be built.
Absolutely zero chance of that happening.
Hello ever increasing house crisis.
Hello more and more Mafia, sorry State, “initiatives” aka effing arround.
Maybe the Mafia are causing the housing crisis on purpose so that they can issue a mega building contract to one of their cronies in the future?
To Hell or to Connaught!
@Mark: leave Connacht out of it
Well then get on with it .
So what load of bull
Just start building already th state must take charge and house it’s citizens at all cost for the government to sit on it ‘s hands is a Mortal mistake literally
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