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Environment Minister Denis Naughten took TheJournal.ie for a spin in his new electric car. TheJournal.ie

The Environment Minister took TheJournal.ie for a spin in his new e-car - and Michael Healy Rae might be next

The minister talks electric cars and why Michael Healy Rae is wrong to say they’re total rubbish.

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ENVIRONMENT MINISTER DENIS Naughten has said he hopes to bring Michael Healy Rae for a spin in the new electric car he is testing out over the next week.

The Kerry TD was giving out about the cars in the Dáil recently, describing them as a “whole load of rubbish”.

Testing out the new Renault Zoe electric car, which has a driving range of up to 300 kilometres, the minister said:

I hope to give him a spin in it and let him try it out himself.

Taking to the streets of Dublin with the minister, TheJournal.ie discussed swapping his hybrid for full-blown electric, climate change and how he wants every TD in Leinster House to bring their own coffee cup to work.

“There are a lot of misconceptions when it comes to electric vehicles,” said the minister, as he pulled the e-car out of the parking lot at the Department of Communications.

“It’s something we have to overcome,” he said, pointing out that the range anxiety most people have about electric cars just doesn’t apply to regular drivers who are commuting in and out of Dublin each day.

The Roscommon TD said he is in no doubt that more people will buy electric cars in the future for the simple fact that it makes economic sense.

“They are virtually free to run,” said the minister, though he acknowledged that the take-up in the countryside where people have to drive longer distances may prove to be a challenge.

“They have a big impact in terms of climate change,” said Naughten, adding that electric cars are 30% more carbon efficient than other fossil fuel vehicles.

The move to electric 

In a bid, to increase the number of electric cars on Irish roads, a 0% rate of Benefit in Kind (BIK) for such vehicles is being introduced.

Naughten said companies, who never would have considered going electric, have voiced an interest following the Budget announcement.

While some are concerned the incentive will only last 12 months, there are no plans to scrap it after a year, he explained.

Naughten said Finance Minister Paschal Donohoe will be using the time to put in place even more support measures to encourage people to switch to electric cars.

The Sustainable Energy Authority of Ireland (SEAI) already offers grants of up to €5,000 to people who buy electric cars. However, as the initial cost of an electric car is often higher than the equivalent diesel or petrol vehicle, it’s still too expensive for many drivers.

A Vehicle Registration Tax relief to a maximum of €5,000 is also in place.

But some have been critical of the minister for not going far enough in terms of climate change action. Ireland is set to fall well short our 2020 emissions targets, something the minister acknowledged as disappointing.

Minister Naughten 2 Environment Minister Denis Naughten and his new e-car.

“I am going to get us as close as possible to the target,” he told TheJournal.ie, stating that despite missing the 20% reduction for 2020, he hopes to hit the 30% reduction mark in 2030. The bigger issue for the minister is the renewable energy targets, which sets out that 16% of all of Ireland’s energy needs must come from renewable energy.

Fines from Europe for missed targets

The current trajectory puts Ireland at 13% so far, but if we fail to hit these targets, the country face annualised fines from the European Union, explained the minister.

The new Renewable Heat Incentive Scheme will help Ireland with its targets, said the minister, who said that despite criticism, it won’t face the same downfall as the scheme in Northern Ireland.

The Cash-for-Ash scandal almost brought about the demise of DUP leader Arlene Foster when it was revealed the flawed incentive cost the public purse over £500 million.

“We have put a lot of checks and balances in place, we are not going to have the problems experienced in the North. We have learned from the mistakes in Northern Ireland.”

Climate change is also under the remit of Naughten’s department, and one way he addressing it personally is by cycling.

However, during the summer, Naughten was involved in a serious accident where he was knocked off his bike and rushed to hospital.

“I’m doing okay now,” explained the minister, who said he is still an avid cyclist.

“I don’t think we are going to remove cars from our cities overnight,” said Naughten, but added he would like to see more people cycling and walking to and from work and school.

Waste reduction and recycling is also under the umbrella of his department, with the minister stating that he has been in discussions with coffee chains and his counterparts in other countries about tackling the issue of non-disposable coffee cups.

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In a bid to get TDs to stop using paper coffee cups, the minister bought each and every one a carry cup (and he has his own with him in the car).

Coffee carry cups 

Somewhat disappointed that he hasn’t seen more ministerial and political colleagues with their carry cups around the halls of Leinster House, Naughten said he would like coffee shops to go down the route of reusable coffee cups, rather than biodegradable, and hasn’t ruled out a coffee cup levy.

“We have to get people to change their thinking. We can’t force people down a particular road and there is only so much charges and taxes will achieve,” said the minister, highlighting the success of the plastic bag levy and how some said it would never work.

“There are ways we can encourage them to think about the use of that coffee cup,” he said.

Food waste is also a big challenge, said Naughten. He explains that the new waste charges are about encouraging people to think about their waste, what they eat and what they throw out.

“What I am trying to do in terms of climate and waste, is to nudge issues, not to shove people in the right direction,” he said.

“Some families are throwing out €700 of food every single year – they could easily reduce that by 50%. I want to encourage people to use their brown bin (which is used to recycle food waste),” he said, adding that everyone living in an area of over 500 people will be given a brown bin.

He is also in discussions with the supermarkets and manufacturers in a bid to reduce plastic packaging, adding that Ireland needs to go down the route of Germany where recycling bins are situated at back of supermarkets where people can dispose of packaging they do not want to bring home with them.

“I think that would encourage the industry and retailers to reduce packaging in the first place.”

Up until now, Naughten admits there has been a failure in selling the green economy.

“It’s been all about doom and gloom,” said the Roscommon TD.

“We’ve been trying to tell people what is going to happen in 20 years down the line when they are focused on the here and now, so it is very hard,” he said.

“It should be about trying to explain the issues to people, and bring the community along with us. I do think we have failed in this whole debate. We’ve lectured people and said ‘this is how it has to be done’,” said Naughten.

But he said the reality of climate change is upon us now, with the effects particularly evident post the last number of storms to hit Ireland in recent years.

“We have 67 families looking to be relocated because of severe flooding. These are climate refugees in this country now. That is a direct result of climate change and it is only going to become a bigger and bigger problem unless we do something about it.”

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    Mute dick dastardly
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    Oct 30th 2017, 7:12 AM

    “they are virtually free to run” he says.we will see how long that lasts when more and more people are forced into buying them the same way everyone was pushed into buying diesel cars.then all of a sudden taxes are raised every year on them.

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    Oct 30th 2017, 7:36 AM

    @dick dastardly: wonder how much out of his own pocket did he spend on the car. They are too expensive for the ordinary worker.

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    Mute James O'Nolan
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    Oct 30th 2017, 7:41 AM

    @dick dastardly: It’ll be a long time before they saturate the market. Plus taxes are always raised in gradual increments. You’ll see them coming a mile off. There’ll be great financial benefits from electric cars for the next ten plus years at least, I’d say.

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    Oct 30th 2017, 9:21 AM

    @Onebox: He spent nothing. The headline on the video says ‘his new car’, but the article says he was testing it – ‘Testing out the new Renault Zoe electric car, which has a driving range of up to 300 kilometres, the minister said:’
    It’s more codswallop

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    Oct 30th 2017, 9:52 AM

    @Onebox: they lose their value very quickly, you can get a secondhand one at reasonable prices.

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    Oct 30th 2017, 11:31 AM

    @Onebox: The Renault Zoe is only €23k. You could probably get that for €200 per month.

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    Mute Joe Caulfield
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    Oct 30th 2017, 7:29 AM

    If the electricity used to charge the car is generated by fossil fuels then who are they kidding but themselves?

    The first loss in efficiency takes place at the power plant second through the grid and third through the car. If you stick the same fuel in the tank there is only one loss in efficiency. I’m sure Naughten is a good man otherwise but on this he is a prisoner of greenwashing.

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    Mute James O'Nolan
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    Oct 30th 2017, 7:33 AM

    @Joe Caulfield: Not if you charge your car from solar panels on your roof. In for a penny…

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    Oct 30th 2017, 7:36 AM

    @Joe Caulfield:
    Have you numbers to back that claim up or are you just guessing?

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    Oct 30th 2017, 7:38 AM

    @Joe Caulfield: you misunderstand efficiency of a petrol or diesel engine versus electric sonshine. I believe you should go Google it and read up a bit more

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    Mute Joe Hill
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    Oct 30th 2017, 7:38 AM

    @Joe Caulfield: I mostly charge my car at night and the vast bulk of electricity generation is via wind then.

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    Mute Niallers
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    Oct 30th 2017, 7:46 AM

    @James O’Nolan: or from wind/air tricity.

    Anyway, isn’t it better to have the fumes moved back up the supply chain.

    Much healthier to walk around town if all transport was electric.

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    Mute Joe Caulfield
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    Oct 30th 2017, 8:13 AM

    @Joe Hill: No it isn’t Joe.Not even close.

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    Oct 30th 2017, 8:19 AM

    @James O’Nolan: In for a penny ? The cost of solar panels needed would be more than the car. In Arizona you would need 8 250 watt panels. In Ireland your probably looking at 16. There are a number of electric cars in Ireland already. How many of them do you think are being charged with solar panels?

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    Mute Joe Hill
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    Oct 30th 2017, 8:23 AM

    @Joe Caulfield: hole and digging springs to mind. http://www.enerpower.ie/page/wind/feed-in-tariffs-ireland

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    Oct 30th 2017, 8:38 AM

    @Joe Hill: Joe conditions where calm last night so your car was charged by fossil fuels.

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    Oct 30th 2017, 8:56 AM

    @Joe Caulfield: maybe calm in your area…..

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    Oct 30th 2017, 9:39 AM

    @Joe Caulfield: And what of the energy required to extract, refine, ship, pump petrol / diesel?

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    Oct 30th 2017, 9:49 AM

    @Dan: Right now according to EIRGRID we are using 3,900 mW wind is generating 720mw . Joe charged his car with fossil fuels last night.

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    Oct 30th 2017, 9:53 AM

    @Thomas McGuire: And what of the energy used to make wind turbines and solar panels?

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    Oct 30th 2017, 9:59 AM

    @Joe Caulfield: Well, once they’re built and installed, that’s basically it for years alright.

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    Oct 30th 2017, 10:10 AM

    @Thomas McGuire: Could the same not be said of refineries ships and pump’s ?

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    Oct 30th 2017, 10:30 AM

    @Joe Caulfield: As I said you still need to “extract, refine, ship, pump petrol / diesel”.

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    Oct 30th 2017, 10:36 AM

    @Thomas McGuire: You need to research lithium and rare earth metal extraction.

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    Oct 30th 2017, 10:47 AM

    @Joe Caulfield: Fail to see relevance of changing topic to materials for new batteries with comparing requirements for transporting fuel v. wind / solar energy transmission losses.

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    Oct 30th 2017, 10:55 AM

    @Joe Caulfield: Jesus Christ, give it up. You are wrong, stop digging you ignorant…

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    Oct 30th 2017, 12:12 PM

    @Thomas McGuire: You have a lot of research to do.

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    Oct 30th 2017, 1:04 PM

    @Joe Caulfield: That is not correct. E cars are inherently more efficient that those with internal combustion engines. If you use normal electricity to charge them you are producing about 30% less greenhouse gas per km driven. If you use one of the greener power suppliers (energia or airtricity) you’ll do even better.

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    Oct 30th 2017, 1:07 PM

    @Joe Caulfield: That is incorrect. I spent 8000 euros on a set of PV panels, and that produces enough electricity to drive 30,000 km per year in a typical E-car.

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    Oct 30th 2017, 4:12 PM

    @Cornelius Traas: Don’t mind him, he’s fallen back on “do some research” as he’s nothing more to say.

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    Oct 30th 2017, 7:43 PM
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    Mute Martin Sinnott
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    Oct 30th 2017, 7:34 AM

    So the Minister didn’t buy one he’s just testing one for a week.

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    Oct 30th 2017, 7:08 AM

    I’d like to see Healy-Rae taken for a ride Chicago style,

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    Mute Barry C Mc Govern
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    Oct 30th 2017, 8:48 AM

    How do you charge it if you live in an apartment or housing complex without a car parking space on your property? This still hasn’t been addressed & homes being built right now will have no way to charge a car. They have a clue how to plan for the future

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    Oct 30th 2017, 7:33 PM

    @Barry C Mc Govern: Workplace or public charging. It’s what I’ve done for the last three years without a bother. Easy peasy.

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    Oct 30th 2017, 7:33 AM

    A round trip to Kerry is over 300 miles, never mind kms & the winter demand reduction on the range. Hybrid is the only practical spec for distance trips, but EBS are excellent for city & short commutes.

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    Oct 30th 2017, 7:52 AM

    @William Kelly:
    95% of your journeys (for the average commuter) will be within range.

    If you charge using public charging or at work it’s free fuel.
    Motor tax is €120 Euro and servicing is half the cost of I.C.E. vehicles.

    For a two car family having one electric is a no brainer.

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    Oct 30th 2017, 9:24 AM

    @Niallers: And then another hurricane hits the country and the power is out for a week, and no one gets to work.

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    Oct 30th 2017, 9:35 AM

    @Father Hody Commody: if powers out to that extent, so too are petrol stations.

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    Oct 30th 2017, 10:08 AM

    @Father Hody Commody: Petrol pumps also require electricity.

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    Oct 30th 2017, 10:55 AM

    @Father Hody Commody: You’re using a 30-year-storm to justify not buying an electric car?

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    Oct 30th 2017, 7:38 AM

    Come into the parlour said the spider to the fly.

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    Oct 30th 2017, 7:50 AM

    The 300 km cap will rise to significant new heights as the battery technology develops for electric cars. This should please Danny and Michael no end as a return journey to the Kingdom become possible on a single charge before setting off from Kilgarvan, with no Revenue leakage to foreign territory.

    Ireland’s carbon credit collections would soar if daily BS flow emanating from Leinster House could be captured efficiently and converted into any shade of green energy.

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    Mute Adrian
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    Oct 30th 2017, 9:45 AM

    I think every politician should be forced to travel in e-cars, and they can save millions in their taxpayer funded fuel expenses. No need for zappone to take the long route to dail eireann!

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    Oct 30th 2017, 10:13 AM

    We should start a national campaign to make every td in the country drives e-cars, save on fuel expenses. Then we’d be hearing all the excuses why not to get one!

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    Oct 30th 2017, 8:09 AM

    With all the stealth taxes on electricity and they still burn coal and other fuels there is nothing really to be gained here by drivers ,if the country stopped production of expensive beef we would meet EU emmisions requirements but there’s no greedy money to be made from that by the way Dubai runs six lanes of traffic s 24 /7 think they give a monkey’s about emissions it’s all the same planet

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    Oct 30th 2017, 10:05 AM

    Have to laugh at smart alecs and malcontents dissing EVs. The State gave me €14k to buy my EV. I’ve saved €4k in fuel in 8 months. It will have paid for itself in 4 years. Beautiful car. Love driving past filling stations watching all there “smart” people pouring €40-50 euros into their tanks as if money was free.

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    Oct 30th 2017, 7:52 AM

    How long does it take to charge these cars as say I’d to do a return trip to Dublin Airport it would be 450km

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    Oct 30th 2017, 8:01 AM

    @Shaun Gallagher: EV won’t be suitable for everybody but should be ok for 95% of everyday work commutes/shopping/school runs.

    If doing regular long commutes then stick with an I.C.E. car.

    Fast charge points get you to approx 80% charge in 20 minutes.

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    Oct 30th 2017, 8:57 AM

    @Niallers: that’s if you’re lucky enough to have a charging point close to you

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    Oct 30th 2017, 9:27 AM

    @Niallers: so the other 20% of the charge takes…..? 25 minutes? Why isn’t the full 100% charge time ever stated in discussions? Because it takes two or three hours? Smoke and mirrors stuff.

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    Oct 30th 2017, 9:47 AM

    @Shaun Gallagher: Drove Wexford -> Dublin-> Cork (c. 400km) on Saturday in a 30kwh Leaf. Required two fast charges, aka enough time for a cup of coffee, snack and bathroom break.

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    Oct 30th 2017, 9:55 AM

    @Father Hody Commody: “Why isn’t the full 100% charge time ever stated in discussions? Because it takes two or three hours?”
    Nope, though charge speed does drop off as you get higher, so might be 40 minutes – with newer this occurs at a higher level though.

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    Oct 30th 2017, 10:09 AM

    @Niall Cunneen: You charge at home. You need charging points at the perimeter of your range.

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    Oct 30th 2017, 10:32 AM

    @Niallers: it’s less school runs we need not more

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    Oct 30th 2017, 5:29 PM

    @john g mcgrath: fully agree

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    Oct 30th 2017, 9:02 AM

    The Environment Minister should be looking into all those sites around Ireland pumping raw sewage into the waterways for God knows how long.

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    Oct 30th 2017, 9:32 AM

    I’d say it’s probably a case of, he got a special deal to promote them, it’s wheeled out for the publicity events while his own gas guzzler that he uses 99 percent of the time is sitting in the drive at home. And healy rae will take one if they’re practically free.

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    Oct 30th 2017, 9:37 AM

    Healy rae used to go canvassing in a banger at election time, left the Mercedes at home. The greens brought out the bikes for the photos, cycle to work campaign, every other day, it was the high powered Audi into dail eireann.

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    Oct 30th 2017, 10:52 AM

    It only makes sense if they build a nuclear power station to charge the cars. Otherwise it’s 100% BS.

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    Oct 30th 2017, 9:50 AM

    For sub 25 km trips, electric pedelec bikes are a superior option to electric cars and to various forms of ICE transport.

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    Oct 30th 2017, 5:04 PM

    @Fiona deFreyne: in there again with stats.

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    Oct 30th 2017, 10:09 AM

    We have another idiot at the helm.
    How is the majority of our electricty generated?
    How are the mateials to build the car manufactured?
    How is the car transported to ireland?
    All of the above processes have a masive impact on the environment.
    So new EVs are no more environmetally friendly than new petrol cars.
    And it remains to be seen bow long begire batteries or even cars need replacing when the process starts again.

    What a clown.

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    Oct 30th 2017, 7:45 PM

    @Stephen Maher: There are a few… let’s call them “myths” in there.

    EVs are lower emission than fuel cars even when powered with the dirtiest of dirty electricity.

    https://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/greenhouse-gas-emissions-typical-passenger-vehicle-0
    https://www.transportenvironment.org/press/electric-cars-emit-less-co2-over-their-lifetime-diesels-even-when-powered-dirtiest-electricity

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    Oct 30th 2017, 10:38 PM

    @Wurps:
    Your links tell us that average US emissions from a Nissan Leaf EV are 180 grams/mile.

    A new Nissan Micra petrol claims 100 g/km or 160 g/mile.

    Looks like the electric vehicle has higher emissions than the petrol version?

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    Oct 30th 2017, 7:15 AM

    Healy-Rae’s, populist B*ll sh****r’s and a load of gangsters.

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    Oct 30th 2017, 4:31 PM

    It must be sponsored by someone or given to him free.

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    Oct 30th 2017, 11:44 AM

    Michael Healy-Rae only thinks they’re rubbish because he can’t find a long enough cable to drive beyond the garden wall of his house.

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    Mute William Kelly
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    Oct 30th 2017, 7:33 AM

    EVs

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    Mute John003
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    Oct 30th 2017, 8:52 AM

    Using the European standard for testing the Zoe does 220 km in real world driving conditions not 300Km….

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    Oct 30th 2017, 9:38 AM

    @John003: I find the EPA ranges more indicative than NEDC.

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    Oct 30th 2017, 5:02 PM

    Hope he’s not claiming motor mileage to the Dail. At no cost this car. Not a right wing car however. Seems to me to be publicity stunt.

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    Oct 30th 2017, 3:03 PM

    Top Gear eat your heart out.

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