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Eight dead, over a dozen injured after truck strikes pedestrians in New York City terror attack

“We were not afraid after 9/11 and we’re not going to be afraid now.”

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Updated at 10pm

A MAN IN a rented pickup truck mowed down pedestrians and bicyclists along a busy bike path near the World Trade Center memorial Tuesday, killing at least eight and injuring 11 others in what the mayor called “a particularly cowardly act of terror”.

The 29-year-old driver was shot in the abdomen by police and taken into custody after jumping out of the truck with what turned out to be a fake gun in each hand and shouting “Allahu Akbar!” officials said. His condition was not immediately released.

In a press conference this evening, New York mayor Bill de Blasio said that “eight innocent people have lost their lives and over a dozen were injured” in the incident.

Officers confirmed that a Home Depot truck drove up onto the West Street pedestrian and bicycle path a few blocks north of Chambers Street in Manhattan.

The truck struck multiple people on the path. It then continued south along the path, striking another vehicle.

The suspect exited the truck, displaying a “paintball gun” and was shot in the abdomen by an NYPD officer. He was then taken into custody and is currently in hospital being treated for injuries.

New York City Police Commissioner James O’Neill has said the attacker was a 29-year-old male whose identity is not yet being released.

Two law enforcement officials identified the man as 29-year-old Sayfullo Saipov of Tampa, Florida.

After the attack, at least two bodies could be seen lying motionless on the path beneath tarps near mangled bicycles.

‘A cowardly act of terrorism’

Speaking at the press conference, de Blasio said: “This has been a very painful day in our city. It was a horrible tragedy.

This was an act of terror and a particularly cowardly act of terror.

“This action was intended to break our spirit but New Yorkers and strong and resilient,” he said.

“We have been tested before and New Yorkers do not in in face of these kind of actions.”
https://twitter.com/NYPDnews/status/925458135430713346

An Associated Press photographer on the scene saw at least one person lying motionless on the Manhattan bike path.
https://twitter.com/News_Executive/status/925442829647843328

The incident took place near a community college and a high school and a few blocks north of the National 11 September Memorial.

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The city, which has frequently been on high-security alert since the 11 September 2001 Al-Qaeda attacks on the Twin Towers, is America’s financial and entertainment capital, with a population of 8.5 million.

Niall O’Dowd, the founder of Irish-American news website IrishCentral witnessed the 9/11 incident in 2001. He spoke to TheJournal.ie this evening in wake of the latest New York terror attack.

“Unfortunately, it’s no great surprise. New York is almost a target and it’s not a coincidence that it happened close to the World Trade Center,” O’Dowd told TheJournal.ie. 

“It brings back very unfortunate memories for everyone. Obviously, families are going to suffer as a result.

It just seems to be so pointless, whether it’s Paris or New York, killing people for no gain whatsoever other than the hatred of people. It makes no sense.
We were not afraid after 9/11 and we’re not going to be afraid now. New Yorkers are a very resilient group.

US president Donald Trump was briefed on the incident, the White House said.

“Our Thoughts and prayers are with all those affected,” spokeswoman Sarah Huckabee Sanders said.

Trump tweeted: “In NYC, looks like another attack by a very sick and deranged person. Law enforcement is following this closely. NOT IN THE USA!”

The US president said that the country “must not allow ISIS to return, or enter, our country after defeating them in the Middle East and elsewhere. Enough!”

He also expressed his condolence with the victims of the families of the incident.

The Irish Consulate in New York City said they are monitoring the incident closely and working with authorities.

People can call 212 319 2555 for consular assistance.

NYPD and the FBI are conducting a full investigation into the incident.

With reporting by Associated Press. 

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    Mute Jonny
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    Oct 31st 2017, 9:48 PM

    Another shocking act of terrorism but dare and criticise Islam in any shape or form and the snowflakes and left wing scruffs come on and accuse you of all sorts

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    Oct 31st 2017, 11:02 PM

    @Jonny: what are you on about Islam for? There’s no mention of the faith or race of the person involved… bit racist are we?

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    Oct 31st 2017, 11:21 PM

    @Exiled for Honesty: John suffers from a rare condition called headuparse syndrome. Help is out there for him. He just needs the courage to ask for it.

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    Oct 31st 2017, 11:46 PM

    @John Owens: The followers of which faith like to shout “Allahu Akbar” while killing non believers? It’s an easy one John. They’re in the news quite a bit. Spanner!

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    Oct 31st 2017, 11:58 PM

    @John Owens: Islam isn’t a race.

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    Nov 1st 2017, 12:58 AM

    @John Owens: How about when it mentions he jumped outta the truck screaming Allah ackbar or whatever they flick they say

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    Nov 1st 2017, 3:31 AM

    @John Owens: “Alahu Akhbar”..

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    Nov 1st 2017, 5:59 AM

    @John Owens: did you read the article? The guy jumped out of the truck and screamed “Allah Akbar”.

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    Nov 1st 2017, 7:04 AM

    @John Owens:

    Police found a note in his truck declaring allegiance to IS, so I think it’s safe to say that this was Islamic terror.

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    Nov 1st 2017, 11:58 AM

    @John Owens: Islam is not a race you moron its an ideology. You can be black, white or purple and be a dangerous islamic extremist that we should not have muppets defending
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzbHb7JissI

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    Oct 31st 2017, 8:48 PM

    Taken into custody? Should have just finished the job on the street!

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    Oct 31st 2017, 10:01 PM

    @Ger Duffy: That would be the first objective of many, however they can gather more information live then dead.

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    Nov 1st 2017, 1:46 AM

    @Ger Duffy: Execution style? We shouldn’t stoop to their level.

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    Oct 31st 2017, 8:13 PM

    they sure did cover their tracks well at Anglo.

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    Oct 31st 2017, 8:25 PM

    @gregory: no they didn’t,, but that doesn’t matter in this country,, if you are involved in “white collar” crime,, you don’t have to cover your tracks well…….

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    Oct 31st 2017, 10:40 PM

    @Exiled for Honesty: i was wondering what was going on

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    Oct 31st 2017, 11:31 PM

    @gregory: just checked back in. lot more serious than appeared initially. RiP to the victims, terrible day for the families.

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    Oct 31st 2017, 10:06 PM

    Member Allahu Akbar being shouted in Dublin Airport last week. Oh I member.

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    Nov 1st 2017, 12:00 AM

    @purple rain: where they really shouting that?

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    Oct 31st 2017, 9:01 PM

    Those trucks at it again

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    Oct 31st 2017, 10:46 PM

    The Journal – “Read, Share and Shape the News”.

    Stop pulling comments down.

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    Oct 31st 2017, 7:57 PM

    Sky news are saying at least two dead in shooting near 9/11 memorial

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    Mute Jay Lane
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    Oct 31st 2017, 9:21 PM

    Why was the white US native man in Vegas not called a terrorist? What he did was pretty terrifying to say the least.

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    Oct 31st 2017, 9:35 PM

    @Kim Prylowski: Jehovah witness maybe?

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    Oct 31st 2017, 9:36 PM

    @Jay Lane:
    Because he didn’t have a political motive.
    If he did it on behalf of a supremacist group I’m sure he would have been labelled a terrorist just the same as anyone else.

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    Oct 31st 2017, 9:37 PM

    @Jay Lane: Terrorism: “The unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.”

    It seems so far that the guy is Los Vegas had no political aims therefore was not deemed as terrorism

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    Oct 31st 2017, 9:41 PM

    @Jay Lane: the definition cones down to motive

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    Oct 31st 2017, 9:41 PM

    @Jay Lane: As Avina said political motive has to be there for terrorism, in fact they are very frustrated and creeped out that they’ve been unable to find one.

    Most terrorist attacks in Europe and the US are by nationalist or right wing groups only around 2% are Muslims but it’s always scarier when another “tribe” is doing the attacking. When a US domestic group has an attack disrupted it does not even get a side mention on European news networks we never hear about it, in fact there was a major airport attacck last month the FBI disrupted that even the US networks basically ignored. News networks are businsses and will go with what gets them their ratings

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    Oct 31st 2017, 9:47 PM

    @Jay Lane: cause he didn’t shout god is great in Arabic before the cops shot and grabbed him

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    Oct 31st 2017, 9:51 PM

    @Ryan Carroll: Only around 2% are Muslim.
    How many people have died in Europe and the US as a result of this percentage?

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    Oct 31st 2017, 10:08 PM

    @Chad Rockett: Depends over what time frame you are talking about

    Why would it matter? Would you care if someone you loved was shot to free some region of Europe from it’s countries rule, to hit back at ”the west” for bombing Islamic countries or because the guy was just psycotic? It would not matter to me I’d still wanna kill the person who did it.

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    Oct 31st 2017, 10:23 PM

    @Ryan Carroll: It matters because this 2% figure is usually bandied about as an attempt to downplay how the threat of Islamic terrorism. In the last fifteen years how many have died in Europe as a result of Islamic terror attacks compared to the other 98%?

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    Oct 31st 2017, 10:38 PM

    @Chad Rockett:

    Islamic terrorism IS a lower threat even in the attempts to obtain WMDs right wing groups in the US have been more successful, getting their hands on chemecal weapons.
    If you are suggesting Islamic attacks are more succcessful in terms of casualty count I’m not sure that’s the case, they actually tend to be done by young and not very intelligent men who often come up with really stupid ideas. I don’t have the raw data in front of me in terms of casualties and am in far too much pain to bother looking it up but I’m not aware of any evidence that Islamic attacks are more lethal.

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    Oct 31st 2017, 10:44 PM

    @Ryan Carroll: Got any facts to back up those claims buddy?

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    Oct 31st 2017, 10:52 PM

    @Simon O’Connor: 2% is a fact…my entire point was presenting a fact
    The source is Europol

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    Nov 1st 2017, 7:07 AM

    @Ryan Carroll:

    In Europe, “nationalist” terror often means left-wing terror. Both the IRA and ETA, which have made up the bulk of terror attacks in Western Europe, were left-wing nationalist groups.

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    Oct 31st 2017, 9:26 PM

    Why has The Journal deleted my comment where I confirmed that this was an act of Islamic Terror – as confirmed by CNN?

    Pull your head out you morons

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    Oct 31st 2017, 9:30 PM

    @Simon O’Connor: I’d say they are waiting for police confirmation, jumping to conclusions doesn’t count as confirmation.

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    Oct 31st 2017, 9:31 PM

    @Dermot Lane: It’s been confirmed already, there’s a press conference held by the Mayor of NYC right now and he’s just confirmed it

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    Oct 31st 2017, 9:45 PM

    @Simon O’Connor: I just watched that press conference and they refused to say anything about the suspects identity except to say he was a 29 year old male. You might well be proved right but as yet it’s not been officially confirmed.

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    Oct 31st 2017, 9:46 PM

    @Simon O’Connor: You must be thrilled that its a brown person, rather than a white terrorist this time around.

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    Oct 31st 2017, 9:50 PM

    @DaisyChainsaw: Muslim does not automatically mean brown person, in much the same way that Christan doesn’t mean white person. The more you know.

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    Oct 31st 2017, 9:52 PM

    @Dermot Lane: The perp shouted Allahu Akbar – they have withheld his identity for the time being but Islam is not a race.

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    Oct 31st 2017, 9:53 PM

    @DaisyChainsaw: Nice try you troll. Islam is an ideology – not a race. Try harder next time.

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    Oct 31st 2017, 9:57 PM

    @Simon O’Connor: it’s not been confirmed that he shouted Allah Akbar, either.

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    Oct 31st 2017, 10:03 PM

    @Simon O’Connor: Because the journal is always last to report on these as to not upset the liberals.

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    Oct 31st 2017, 10:04 PM
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    Oct 31st 2017, 10:04 PM

    @Dave Murray: Spot on

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    Nov 1st 2017, 12:46 AM

    @Fake Avast: probably on his way to Starbucks for a pumpkin spiced latte and to read the Huffington Post, to read the latest headlines on white privilege

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    Oct 31st 2017, 8:39 PM

    Once again a classic sub-header…

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    Oct 31st 2017, 9:56 PM

    ,it unfortunatly will take a terrorist attck to happen here before we stop letting these people who bring wth them no good qaulities ,dont intergrate have no intention to become part of irish society,i really fear for the Ireland of the future,we have to many dogooders here that are either blind or just plain stupid that will allow ireland to become like the rest of europe

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    Oct 31st 2017, 10:13 PM

    @Christy Pop: Irish Tatler would probably give them an award

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    Oct 31st 2017, 10:21 PM

    @Christy Pop: Most of these attacks are done by native citizens
    By your logic Europe should have banned all Irish because the provos were Irish

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    Oct 31st 2017, 10:33 PM

    @Kerry Blake: ” if they can spell better then you ” Hahahahahahaha, get it right yourself before pulling someone else up on their spelling

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    Oct 31st 2017, 10:35 PM

    @Ryan Carroll: They’re no more native than the family of the guy who recently returned after 4 years away in a north African jail .

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    Oct 31st 2017, 11:16 PM

    @Kerry Blake: spell better [than] you, , and as i said stupid or blind,

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    Oct 31st 2017, 11:19 PM

    @Ryan Carroll: yeh ryan

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    Oct 31st 2017, 11:13 PM

    The west paying the price yet again for letting people in despite them hating Western values & our way of life.

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    Oct 31st 2017, 8:00 PM

    Doubt they worked for a bank….

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    Oct 31st 2017, 7:47 PM

    Or hopefully fireworks.

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    Oct 31st 2017, 9:42 PM

    @Jay Lane:
    great story.
    What exactly is your point ?

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    Oct 31st 2017, 9:46 PM

    @Jay Lane: the reason for that is it doesn’t affect us, it could equally be said that middle Eastern media doesn’t report on western news as much. If you feel that people in these countries need help, why don’t you go over and help them?

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    Oct 31st 2017, 9:46 PM

    It’s not just bombs, they don’t report most disrupted terrorist attaks either.
    It’s not about whats happening it’s about what gets the eyeballs on the screen

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    Oct 31st 2017, 10:05 PM

    @Exiled for Honesty:

    To be a good troll you have to at least appear like you might be on here for legitimate discussion, there are far better at this on here you’re an amatuer

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    Oct 31st 2017, 10:11 PM

    @Jay Lane: do you think the media in the middle east gives much coverage to events in the west?

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    Oct 31st 2017, 10:36 PM

    @Jay Lane:
    When I read the words ‘ US oil Wars’ I know the comment will be reasoned and well balanced

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    Oct 31st 2017, 10:47 PM

    You don’t sound like one

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    Oct 31st 2017, 9:24 PM

    Could Harvey or Kevin not be weaved into the story somehow?

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    Oct 31st 2017, 8:33 PM

    It’s not clear if anyone was injured?

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    Oct 31st 2017, 8:42 PM

    @Salvatore Mazzani: I think he is referring to the stupid sentence under the headline

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    Oct 31st 2017, 9:34 PM

    @Keith:

    I’m Ron Burgundy?

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    Oct 31st 2017, 9:06 PM

    He must be gutted he was taking alive. i’m gutted for him too.

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    Oct 31st 2017, 8:29 PM

    The only thing injured is decent spelling. These colonials need to learn how to spell ‘centre’ proper like.

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    Oct 31st 2017, 9:20 PM

    @Eric De Red: You mean apart from the numerous fatalities and injuries?

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    Oct 31st 2017, 8:35 PM

    Liberal reported 6 dead but take what you want from that one..

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    Oct 31st 2017, 8:42 PM

    @Christine Hanway: Yes several fatalities. One guy is custody and they think it is terrorism ( cowardism is the case of Isis)

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    Oct 31st 2017, 8:52 PM

    @Catherine Sims: So what the loyalists or the IRA did in the name of “freedom” is okay in your eyes?

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    Oct 31st 2017, 9:14 PM

    @Christine Hanway: Who did they steal the information from?

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    Oct 31st 2017, 9:31 PM

    Poxy tramps is all they all

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    Nov 1st 2017, 7:17 AM

    It seems trucks are the weapon of choice for our Islamic brothers,what can we do against that ? Not a lot, but the introduction of Identity Cards ,would seem a necessary tool ,Civil liberties are curtailed in time of war ,and that’s what it is .

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    Nov 1st 2017, 7:27 AM

    @Brian O Reilly: If it is war and you are obviously so involved, go to your local recruiting office strap on a rifle and go fight your war. Also, curtail your own rights if you must. Leave the rest of us alone.

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    Oct 31st 2017, 9:11 PM

    @kevin: Exactly. If I was in the emergency services I’d be helping the people affected not texting my friends back home to keep them updated. Are we supposed to believe that in the aftermath of a suspected terrorist attack emergency personnel are standing around texting their mates instead of being on alert.

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    Oct 31st 2017, 9:14 PM

    @Ciara Baines: Ah original comments have been deleted so now a few of us look like we’re talking to ourselves!

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    Oct 31st 2017, 9:27 PM

    @Ciara Baines: yes not sure whats going on ciara but i know what youre talking about!

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    Oct 31st 2017, 9:28 PM

    @Ciara Baines: maybe Ryan Carroll has another friend in the journal who deleted most of his comments because he now looks like a knob!

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    Oct 31st 2017, 9:47 PM

    @Ciara Baines: You’d be helping people affected when you were off duty, a mas cas has been declared and they already have 100+ people on the scene?

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    Oct 31st 2017, 9:49 PM

    @Ryan Carroll: I stand by every last word I siad.

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    Oct 31st 2017, 10:03 PM

    Incidentally if you want independent proof that I was telling the truth and the cops initially didn’t think it was terrorism all you need do is scroll back to the NY twitter feeds on the various local news sites and alerts, like this one:

    http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2z5t6xc&s=9#.WfjxRLp2tPY

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    Oct 31st 2017, 10:13 PM

    @Ryan Carroll: how long did it take you to find that site.

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    Oct 31st 2017, 10:19 PM

    @Christy Pop: I don’t know what that has to do with anything

    People were suggesting I was lying in what I was talking about re how it unfolded live, so I found you independent proof that I was telling the truth, and now you know, they didn’t think it was terrorism at first, they swarmed onto the scene with a Mass Casualty Alert and the police procedure for a terrorist attack (which involves drowning the area in personel, incidentally, so off duty people who stumble on the scene would not be needed and would not get past the perimeter without their ID anyway) they initially thought it was road rage, then did a 180 when they talked to the guy and started taking witness statements. That’s it.

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    Oct 31st 2017, 10:30 PM

    @Ryan Carroll: So the guy plowed down all these people , crashes into a school bus then jumps out with two hand guns gets shot by a police officer , and they wait until they talk to him ?
    The guy is a 29 year old Uzbek , who came to America in 2010 , he’s from the same country as the guy who killed the pedestrians in Stockholm , using the same method , a vehicle .

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    Oct 31st 2017, 10:41 PM

    @Paddy Hayden: Yeh, AGAIN that’s all available from the news now its out there and easy to confirm

    Think about it time wise, when the cops shoot someone the medics have to stabalize and transport him, then you have to get him to the emergency room then they have to check him out, and when they say he’s not gonna die then you can talk to him it takes a few minutes at least, I don’t know WHERE they talked to him but eventually he was checked out medically and they interviewed him, and around the same time they got reports from witnesses about what he shouted, not everyone heard it, so puttign those togehter they did a 180.

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    Oct 31st 2017, 9:40 PM

    I agree with people who question why these alerts are sent to our devices, these tragic events occur too often and something needs to change to stop that from happening however what good does it do to keep on reminding people of a fear, the unknown is always scary if we fear but let live and accept and see how much more we can go :-)

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    Oct 31st 2017, 9:42 PM

    @Hugh Kearney: The media apps don’t know where you or your family are located. You can always disable the alerts if you don’t want to be seeing them.

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    Oct 31st 2017, 9:49 PM

    @Hugh Kearney: I take your point about fear, but we should not live and accept terrorism. In 2016 Almost 12,000 people were killed around the globe as a result of Islamic terrorism.

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    Oct 31st 2017, 10:04 PM

    @Simon O’Connor: is that all ,you should try and contact some of the families and tell them that ,cop on

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    Oct 31st 2017, 10:07 PM

    @Christy Pop: What exactly is your point Christy. My point is that we can’t wear blinkers and be oblivious to the fact that this is a major problem. The time will come when we will all be directly affected by terrorism – we will know someone who was murdered, or be a victim ourselves.

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    Oct 31st 2017, 10:08 PM

    @Christy Pop: Your comment above “it unfortunatly will take a terrorist attck to happen here before we stop letting these people who bring wth them no good qualities”….etc.

    You are spot on, and I am saying the same thing but in a different way

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    Oct 31st 2017, 10:18 PM

    @Simon O’Connor: sorry i took what you said the wrong way, i apolagise

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    Oct 31st 2017, 9:39 PM

    if he is a terrorist he should be giving to the families for them to give him some real punishment,

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    Oct 31st 2017, 10:07 PM

    @Christy Pop: Is that English your typing?

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    Oct 31st 2017, 10:37 PM

    @Kerry Blake: that would be you’re rather than your , unbelievable having a dig at another persons English when your own isn’t too good

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    Oct 31st 2017, 10:46 PM

    @Kerry Blake: YOU’RE

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    Oct 31st 2017, 11:39 PM

    @Kerry Blake: people have died,and because of people like you more people will die,

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    Nov 1st 2017, 12:41 AM

    @Kerry Blake: Ultimate fail LOL!!

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    Nov 1st 2017, 3:46 AM

    Five Argentinean friends have been killed. Oh Lord. Imagine being on holidays and then this!
    I’m argie too, travelling to the States on hols in a week. Not they are targeting us, but somehow it feels weird.

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    Oct 31st 2017, 9:07 PM

    Who wants to guess the sex of the killer?

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    Oct 31st 2017, 9:14 PM

    @Exiled for Honesty: personally I wouldn’t put money in them being female

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    Oct 31st 2017, 9:32 PM

    @Veronica: They talking about 8 killed and you only are interested in the sex of the killers? That’s what you call empathy.

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    Oct 31st 2017, 9:37 PM

    @Veronica: I’d say Genderqueer, non-binary.

    On a separate note – you have some serious issues

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    Oct 31st 2017, 9:37 PM

    @Hans Vos: don’t see you saying that to everyone bringing up religion

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    Oct 31st 2017, 9:39 PM

    @Hans Vos:
    Veronica has issues.

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    Oct 31st 2017, 9:42 PM

    @Veronica : If you look in the dictionary than you can find the meening of empathy.

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    Oct 31st 2017, 9:54 PM

    @Avina Laaf: You mean she is an issue but not a great one I.m.o.

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    Oct 31st 2017, 10:13 PM

    @Veronica: huh. Male. Wouldja look at that. What were the odds?

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    Oct 31st 2017, 10:24 PM

    @Exiled for Honesty: male pattern violence is male pattern violence, doesn’t matter what anyone is wearing or identifies as.

    Nice try at pretending I wasn’t right though :)

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    Oct 31st 2017, 10:35 PM

    @Exiled for Honesty: no im good thanks, bedtime now.

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