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ONE GARDA WAS paid €68,641 in overtime for the first 11 eleven months of this year.
That would triple the pay of a new garda and more than double the pay of a senior garda who can earn up to €50,448 in basic pay.
Information provided to TheJournal.ie under Freedom of Information shows 12 gardaí, seven sergeants and one inspector received the top 20 overtime payments.
Up until the end of October, almost €107 million was spent on garda overtime in total. That’s a €36 million increase from last year – when that figure was €71 million.
Last month, it emerged that an order had been sent to every station in Dublin by the Assistant Commissioner Pat Leahy banning all overtime for the month of December.
However, it later emerged that overtime in December would be paid as it would come from next year’s garda budget.
At the time the President of the Garda Representative Association (GRA) Ciaran O’Neill said that overtime was being used to supplement the force because there were insufficient numbers of gardaí servicing the State. Speaking on Morning Ireland on RTÉ Radio 1, O’Neill said:
Overtime is the cheapest form of policing and it has been used in the past to fill the numbers.
A garda spokesperson told this website, “The nature of garda work and the requirement that the garda authorities respond, in some cases at short notice, to immediate policing demands means that there is a necessity to incur overtime expenses to ensure effective policing.
Accordingly, there will always be a need for a certain level of overtime to allow An Garda Siochana flexibility when responding to circumstances that require additional resources for specific operations.
Top 20
The top 20 individual payments up until 22 November this year range from €57,061 to €74,268, totalling €1,247,026.
That’s means each garda in the top 20 took home €62,350 on average. Overtime is only payable to members at garda, sergeant and inspector rank.
For a larger image of the above table, click here.
Gardaí can be paid two different rates for overtime – a rate of time and a half or a double time rate.
Gardaí who are recruited now start off on €28,405.30 – including rent allowance of €4,655.30 – with an overtime rate of either €14.58 or €19.44 an hour.
On the other end of the scale, gardaí recruited between 1995 and 2013 can earn up to €50,448.30 after 17 years service. They would have an overtime rate of either €25.90 up to €34.53 an hour.
However a spokesperson for An Garda Siochana told TheJournal.ie that double pay is only applicable for Sundays and bank holidays.
Given this information, TheJournal.ie has worked out that a garda on the very highest rate of pay who worked 40 hours of overtime a month on the higher rate of overtime, would need to work 228 hours of overtime a month to make €68,641.
While the average working week for a garda works out at 40 hours per week, the actual working pattern for a garda working on a regular unit is six days on and four days off.
According to our calculations, the garda on the highest rate of pay would need to work around 15-16 hours a day, six days a week constantly to manage to earn that much in overtime in the year.
The Freedom of Information officer did note that the figures given referred to the amount of overtime paid out and not necessarily the period within which the costs were incurred.
However it was also noted that payment of overtime is generally issued within two weeks after the end of each roster.
“Overtime can be incurred in two different months and paid out in a different third month. For example, overtime incurred on 13 August 2017 is included in the roster ending 10 September 2017 which was paid in early October 2017.”
As a result, some of the overtime worked up until 22 November may not have been recorded in what was paid out up to that date. However, as these figures are from 1 January – it could also be the case that hours worked in December and November 2016 were included in payments that would have been made in January 2017.
Therefore, the information given represents almost an 11 month period of average overtime and payments.
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It’s getting farcical at this stage.
Yes, Moan Joan should just drop all charges against these men now
What charges?
Beyond farcical !
How come Bankers are asked to ‘attend’ Garda stations “by appointment” but those that object to the privatisation of the Irish peoples water supply are ’rounded up in dawn raids’ ??
In other breaking news:
http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2015/02/09/td-phil-hogan-among-none-arrested-for-wasting-e50mn-on-irish-water-consultancy-fees/
Because of the likelihood of a mob arriving with him. If there’s a risk of trouble (any risk) the Gardaí will do what they did this-morning, otherwise they’ll conduct it in a civil manner.
What an incredible own goal by this banking regime !!
Je Suis IPhone Joan.
Je Suis Lie to get into government.
Je Suis “Free” speech.
Je Suis Champagne Socialist.
The reason why no criminal bankers, regulator’s or politicians have been arrested is because the Blueshirts are the party of the rich (regardless of how they got their wealth)………
Bankers were arrested in early morning raids also. But don t let the facts get in the wsy of a rant.
Yet another embarrassingly obvious act of desperation from our elected bullies.
Let me know when they’re dragging Kenny, Burton and Hogan out of their beds, please. I’ve never been so ashamed to be Irish
Now now Matt common sense ain’t welcome here as it doesn’t help the anti water protesters argument.
Big Willy, it’s not moan Joan that is bringing charges it is the Gardai investigating alleged offences that may have been carried out. He reportedly has been arrested for alleged false imprisonment which the Gardai can investigate without someone having to press charges.
What I think is hilarious is that all of the footage posted on YouTube by protesters to show “Garda brutality” is probably going to feature very prominently in this investigation. Not only that but if there are charges brought in these cases you can expect a lot more down the line. The smartphone warriors are actually going to incriminate themselves with their own footage.
Embarrassing desperation from elected bullies? That’s Paul Murphy for ya!
Tom… talk to me… What is common sense? Paying Denis O’Brien for your water?
No it’s not, Silver. You sound like the crowd you represent. “You said one thing but i’m going to just cross that out and assume you meant something else” – sounds very familiar
Talk about handing an election coup to the anti water charge parties, No appointment for him like Seanie Fitz got?? still no Banksters jailed sure they couldn’t live with the shame http://www.thejournal.ie/anglo-trial-sentencing-1437992-Apr2014/ if your not part of the circle your a sc#mbag
We’d all be paying €500+ a year to Irish Water today if it were not for the protestors.
And FG/Lab would be working on introducing another new tax or another firesale of Ireland’s dwindling assets.
Viva La Resistance.
@ Ivan Murphy, http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/top-bankers-face-quiz-after-fitzpatrick-arrest-26642177.html
Seanie Fitzpatrick arrested at 6.20 am in his home. He was also previously arrested at 5.30am in Dublin Airport. Try to keep up .
Matt a mob ??? Anyone who apposes this banking regime are described by FG as a mob witch makes most of the population a mob I guess….what does that make the government that refers to its people as a mob or a baying mob and says openly they will only govern for those that they describe as “reasonable people”, which everyone knows mean the people that support their far right policies.
This was a terrible own goal for the banks and Enda to make and it will play right into Paul Murphy’s hands (Arrested at 7am in front of his little children for peacefully protesting)…. but then again they are well used to making massive mistakes lately.
1st line typo (which makes)
Denis o Brien? Whats that about? I ain’t got a bill yet.
200 hours community service… Blueshirt joke….
I love the way the FG/L trolls disappear when you ask them to say anything of substance. If only their leaders would do the same
@Brian Ward … you also mate.
21/12/2012 : “confirmed to the defence lawyer that Mr Fitzpatrick had met him by appointment today.”
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/sean-fitzpatrick-says-no-comment-when-charged-with-failing-to-disclose-139m-worth-of-loans-28950421.html
Two more times
24/7/2012: “Mr FitzPatrick was arrested by appointment yesterday morning”
http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/1210/309729-bray/
10/12/2011: “Fitzpatrick had arranged with gardaí to attend the station yesterday morning.”
http://www.thejournal.ie/sean-fitzpatrick-remains-in-garda-custody-301419-Dec2011/
Yes, I agree. There’s a BIG difference between a mob and protesters. I can spot it, can you?
I’m still waiting on your lesson in common sense, Tom
Blueshirt slight of hand. Distraction from all FG/LAB criminal activity
Conn your one of the sheep. Your best form of defence is attack. The reality is we will have a chance to vote this government out on the next 18 months.
So your talk of Denis o Brien is tripe as when I made my first comment to matt it was about the tactics of the gardai. But you jumped on the denis o brien waffle.
Ivan , because if they have to ask a baying crowd whether it is ok to let a woman go, they deserve no better.
Reaper , but there has been arrests of bankers. At least , get the basic facts right.
Why couldn’t Paul Murphy be asked to come in for questioning rather than using excessive number of gardai in a dawn raid? I think the answer to that is political policing!
You’re missing the point. I shouldn’t have to defend your water for you. You call me a sheep while you defend this government’s actions and that makes no sense to me
Such a mistake to make what are the banks thinking by having him arrested. In the last few months other countries have seen buildings burned to the ground, police hospitalised, business looted, politicians beaten. Here its a 2hr road blockage, bad language, and a water balloon. The Irish banking government is grabbing at straws. Its so FUNNY the rest of the worlds police would be delighted to have to such well behaved peaceful assemblies carried out by a population as angry as the Irish.
Ivan I never said that Fitzpatrick has never attended a garda station by appointment. I was responding to your and others comments that it is only the “ordinary” people how get lifted in dawn raids. I am quite sure that if Paul Murphy needs to be interviewed again then he might well be asked to make an appointment. Will that put him the same category as a banker in your eyes?
If anybody else was being arrested for alleged false imprisonment do you think that the cops should ring them up also and ask them to come down to the station? It would save an awful lot of time if we rang up everyone who may subject to arrest if the would toddle down to the local Garda station after they have had their breakfast wouldn’t it? FFS sake people are whining about one law for bankers and then hypocritically whining that they want their protest leaders treated differently to the rest of us. You can be guaranteed that these arrests weren’t the only ones that took place this early this morning around the country for various other offences, it’s standard procedure so why should these lads be treated any differently?
5-10 years should be sufficient punishment i feel. holding an elected representative hostage is a crime against the people of ireland. I certainly hope he does some serious porridge
Rory,
The Gardai asked Murphy to speak to the crowd that day.
http://www.thejournal.ie/water-protests-debate-keelin-shanley-1784022-Nov2014/
Also worth pointing out that the only TD at the scene who was actually physically manhandled was Murphy himself by the Gardai.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8GinTeLFq4&feature=youtu.be
The AAA could not have planned a more effective boost to the water charges (banker tax) battle than to have the Gardai arrest 3 of our elected representatives in dawn raids.
To be honest, I’m staggered (but grateful) at the ineptitude of the Gardai in this case. Have they learned nothing from Clare Daly drink driving arrest?
It’s also a clear lesson to people on the primary role of the Gardai which is to enforce the will of the state. There was another reminder of the purpose of the Gardai in an excellent TG4 documentary a few months ago on the heroic Dunnes Stores strikers from the 1980s who refused to handle goods from South Africa. They were met with continuous threats and harassment from the Gardai including the special branch and were regularly abused for daring to show solidarity with those “n*****s”.
Ditto for the students who were beaten off the streets in 2011 for daring to protest. In a moment of supreme irony that day, the Gardai mounted a cavalry charge right in front of Anglo Irish Bank HQ against unarmed students protesting against the mounting cutbacks to their education in order to pay for the greed, stupidity and corruption of that bank. These are just a couple of examples. There are many, many more if people care to look.
The citizens are receiving an invaluable education on the true nature of the system they live under and this morning’s arrests are another tutorial.
Not much difference between the mob and our govt though , hard to see the difference. Both shakedown everybody they can for as much as they can
Wreck the country and have the changes dropped. Or his buddies 200 hours community service for nearly €40 billion.
Blueshirt fascist state……
A large baying mob trap a woman in a car in a very threatening way, this was described as a “peaceful” protest- A wimpish lefty looney TD is arrested while still in his Thomas the Tank PJ’s at an unearthly hour of 7AM ( when most of the paying classes are already in work!) they cry intimation & state brutality & heavy handed! I passed Terenure Garda Station at 11am there was just one solitary protester but I’m sure this number will improve later when the looney lefty mob pull themselves out of bed !
We should call for the same punishment for the entire govt so mr g as they have held the entire population to ransom for the last half decade
@Brian Ward.
For the love of god…. is Paul Murphy a flight risk? there is no reason, other than optics, that he could not have attended by appointment. SIX Garda take him away in front of this kids at 7am…. nice, and ye are all so, so, so worried about poor old Joan stuck in a car.
“being arrested for alleged false imprisonment” <<< don't make me laugh, mountain out of a mole hill comes to mind. If that's the case, Phonie Joanie & Edna can consider themselves 'hunted for ever-more'. How dare they try to rob us of our water… did they think that the would get away with it??
This arrest served ONE purpose and ONE purpose only….. a distraction from the HSBC story:
http://businessetc.thejournal.ie/hsbc-tax-1927943-Feb2015/
"350 clients with links to Ireland are included in the files, according to the ICIJ website — 51 per cent of whom had an Irish passport or nationality. Most of the data relates to the years 1988 to 2007. "
YES FIFTY ONE PERCENT had an Irish passport or nationality!!!!!! I'm so looking forward to the 6-1 news. I cannot wait to see the leading story and time even to each!
Suspicion of false imprisonment.
@PD / Protectdemocracy (sarcasm is it with that name??)
A 2hr road blockage (much like the farmers Ke-Pak protest Meath but with just one Garda present) the Gardai first rip Paul Murphy’s clothes off then ask him to help move the peaceful assembly which he does. previously some bad language and a water balloon and this normally insignificant incident which would not even make the news in most countries is referred to as terrorism in the national parliament………its such a hilarious laugh reading the banks FG supporters coming on here trying to call peaceful assembly terrorism. Scared about your informed population giving this autocratic regime the boot……….. affect your pocket does it? ahh boo hoo poor little vested interest.
Hard to know which of them you call the “champagne socialist” as since 2011 when he became an MEP Paul Murphy has drawn down over €1 million in salary and expenses.
Ivan first of all Murphy himself stated that he was elected to break the law so what makes you think that the Gardai felt that he would keep an appointment with them? His own words damned him and would have given rise to reasonable suspicion that he would not attend an appointment and may have resisted arrest. He has no-one to blame but himself.
False imprisonment http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1997/en/act/pub/0026/sec0015.html . If I blocked you in your car for 2-3 hours do you think that this offence would have been committed? Do you even believe in the rule of law or is there one law for water protestors and one for the rest of us? If I was being investigated for the same offence you can be damn sure my local cop wouldn’t ring me up and ask me in for a cup of tea so why should these people be treated any differently? After all they are politicians aren’t they and the water protesters are always looking for politicians to be treated equally by the law so why all the fuss?
As for the HSBC story, I hate to break it to you but that was yesterdays news. I read it in the papers and online. The people who had those bank accounts had either availed of previous tax amnesties or else had lawfully declared them to the Revenue. It is not illegal to have an offshore bank account so long as you notify Revenue and pay all the relevant tax due. If anything this will turn out to be a non story. It’s been around since 2008 so it’s not exactly earth shattering now is it?
The Gardaí have made Paul Murphy a very happy man today, they played right into his and right2waters hands.
A mob to be likened to ISIS no doubt! Google who said that if you can’t remember, Matt!
How will ‘convicted’ Fred Forsey get on with his appeal ,Sean,sorry,Kenneth,oops,realgale,oops again,mrshillhowley? :D
Mark,
Can you tell us where you got that “€1 million in salary and expenses” from?
There are no ‘champagne socialists’ in the Socialist Party/AAA. Our TDs and councilors are not careerists. Their objective is to fight for a socialist alternative to improve conditions for the majority in society.Joe Higgins and Ruth Coppinger take the average industrial wage (34k) from their TDs salaries and expenses. Paul Murphy takes the average young person’s wage (22k).
The remainder of their salaries and allowances are used to fund the various campaigns which the Socialist Party/AAA support nationally and internationally including the current Water charges campaign. Nobody living the high life on expenses in the SP/AAA.
Neither does the SP/AA receive the millions that FF/FG/Labour and SF take from the exchequer each year under the Electoral Acts legislation and Party Leaders allowance
In 2013 the figures were
FF €2.8 million
FG €4.9 million
SF €1.8 million
Labour €3.0 million
SP €74 thousand
Beian, the HSBC breaking news story is far from the “non-story” you hope it is. The UK government is taking it very seriously, with urgent questions being allowed this afternoon in parliament. Can you imagine our government allowing a special question in Dáil Èireann on this issue? No, neither can I.
Will someone think of the children….
Mary why would I hope that it is a non story? If someone had broken the law then they should be brought before the courts. The reason that I said it is a non story is because firstly the Murphy groupies reckon that he was arrested to “hide” the story even though this story “broke” yesterday even though it has been around since 2008. Secondly there were a number of tax amnesties a while back so that money is “rehabilitated” or else the accounts were declared but either way there probably won’t be a big haul of tax evaders from it one way or the other. The reason that the UK government is allowing special questions is because any UK money in there was and still is illegal and also Milliband is on an offshore tax haven crusade and so is using this for political gain.
@Matt Connolly, I am sure the Gardai were afraid there might be a blood thirsty mob waiting at Paul Murphys house at 7 in the morning as they probably do every morning, just waiting for their chance to block in cars and throw the occasional water balloon, it would have been shear chaos.
@martin see that’s the problem with all you sad looney lefties- anyone who does not share your discredited outdated *Marxist views (* source Central America & Eastern Europe ) is slagged off as a FG troll! Murphy is having a laugh at all you loonies as he milks it!
“during recent investigations into financial institutions, gardaí had made appointments for people to present themselves at garda stations.”
yea says it all really, thats enough for me. a political stunt. nothing else but.
@Ignore Democracy !! How does he milk it ? describe what he gains apart form notoriety and no doubt a re-election thanks to the Gardaí. You FG/bank supporters are so confused, you back a government that has shown by its reaction to the Greek debt conference rejection that its puts banks interests top of the agenda and throws out its promises to the people that elected them (I presume you are one) and this is going to cost you yes YOU a fortune in the coming years paying the ECB and its minions losses. But you pretend that you are fine with that…you are not of course and who would be? being forced to pay other peoples bills is not something to celebrate unless you are somehow benefitting from the current bank government and you not saying.
So which is it are you a complete idiot who loves working hard and then using your hard earned money to pay inept bankers losses while you struggle or are you some how benefitting from the current banking government and that’s why you make such a racket about this autocratic shower of nobodies sitting on the front bench in leinster house.
Common sense. Please elaborate
Are u going to pay twice for your water tom or your motor tax 66% of which has gone into irish water
Your first ignorant mistake was brand the left as looney.
Martin are you saying that the Garda are a banking regime – its hard to think that anybody could be so stupid to think that.
Where did you get that from Michael?? Not even sure that sentence of yours makes sense ?? The current government has left the nation in no doubt that they are merely agents for bank interests. The top ranking Gardaí are way too close to the current government as can be seen by the arrests this morning and the down right lies told by top ranking Garda referring to Gardaí being assaulted by the anti water protestors or the population of the country in other words….The rank and file Gardaí seem oblivious to topical and political issues.
Labour, you’ve really ball’sd up this time. You’ve gone and made your enemy into a peoples hero!!
Hahahahahahaha
Pajama man :-D
Pyjamas.
Or as Wallace would call it – “Business attire”
dang journal acting up – sorry for the repost.
I think Mr Murphy just broke t’internet.
Trevor. Nobody could give a shit about Paul Murphy. Get over yourself.
That’s why over 2000 people have read the article clown!
I read so that I could laugh at Murphy and you.
Course you did!! Shows the excitement of a life you’re leading!
I also read the article to laugh at Murphy…
Pajamas… I’m American
When in Rome….pyjamas please.
What next? Is Joan going to send thr Gardai around to the houses of people on Social Welfare who own expensive mobile phones?
Peoples hero? Not mine or any of my friends. He is the friend of the scroungers
I read the article for a laugh :)
I hope he had a clean pair of pj’s on and there was nothing on show….Here is hoping Paul and his family get through this difficult time…..
I’m not in Rome, I’m in New York :’(
Long time no hear ,Kris :) Any chance of sharing a cuppantae ?
Who is Kris, Thomas?
You
4 quick red thumbs ,,busy boy :)
Sorry Thomas….but I’m not “Kris”….Beware of the voices….
Sorry my mistake,Cuppantae ..Voices and eyesight are playing up on me..
David, How stupid are you really. The Garda are not answerable to Joan Burton or any government Minister just the Garda Commissioner and I doubt she would have decided to send the Garda to Murphy’s house. You may not know, judging by your comment, that the Commissioner reports to the Minister of Justice and not to any other Minister or TD
What JB said about phones was absolutely correct but of course it’s not PC to say it even though everyone knows it true – that is of course you have you head up where the sun don’t shine and can’t see.
MJConnolly…..Are you a child using your parents computer??? Your opinions are a joke! No local superintendent Garda orders the dawn arrest of a sitting TD without informing the minister for Justice. The minister for justice gave the OK to the commissioner for these arrests because she is her boss and this was done for purely political reasons. You have just proved you are as thick as the government you support. The rest of the country could see this as an own goal seconds after the story broke….that fact is just dawning on the dopes in FG around now…..and we allow people with this level of decision making to look after the future of our country…..no wonder we are fecked !!
Apparently the guards were banging on his front door shouting “peaceful arrest”.
So now we know Mr Murphy sleeps in Pajamas.
Oh and he got arrested for breaking the law
Or in Wallace’s case – business attire.
@Larry. Do you know what law he has actually broken? Regardless of what you think about Murphy, it does not look good for the govt. Simon Coveny has just admitted on pat Kenny that we need to wait and see before saying the arrest wasn’t politically motivated. He wouldn’t deny that it was political.
Probably the common-law offence of inciting.
Wishful thinking there Ann. He was arrested for holding a person against their will and for being a sc_umbag.
You are trying to grasp at straws, upset that the left wing loons are suffering in recent weeks as a result of the fiasco in Greece, the positive economic news at home and the govt gaining in the opinion polls.
He wears jam jams!. The vision is disturbing!
God , Paul Carery you are one nice gent.
1st: innocent until etc…
2nd: he had no ‘control’ over than crowd + phonie joanie better get use to that reception for what she as done to the people of this country.
Now come ‘Bankers’ can attend Garda station by appointment, for wrecking the country….. but others are rounded up in dawn raids for minor inconveniences?
#1 yes.
#2 If after questioning the DPP feel there is a case to answer, it will be up to a district court judge to decide, or jury if it turns out to be indictable.
Wrongful arrest. He has no power to detain people at his pleasure
@Paul. I’m not a loony lefty nor an AAA voter. I just think this stinks. Coveny refused to deny it was politically motivated on radio. There were a lot of people at that that protest, so why only 4 arrests? Being arrested doesn’t mean you have committed a crime, just that you are suspected of having done it. And as far as I know, people thinking you’re a s**mb*g isn’t grounds for arrest.
Ivan waving a megaphone around and asking the mob if they should let the Tainiste go would indicate he had complete control of the situation.
@Cian….. that would be your reasoning of it.
I would argue that, he showed a cleverness in dealing with a rightfully angry crowd.
This arrest served ONE purpose and ONE purpose only….. a distraction from the HSBC story:
http://businessetc.thejournal.ie/hsbc-tax-1927943-Feb2015/
“350 clients with links to Ireland are included in the files, according to the ICIJ website — 51 per cent of whom had an Irish passport or nationality. Most of the data relates to the years 1988 to 2007. ”
Yes …… FIFTY ONE PERCENT had an Irish passport or nationality! I’m so looking forward to the 6-1 news. I cannot wait to see the leading story and time even to each!
Ivan he was the leader of a riot in which the democratically elected deputy leader of our country was assaulted and falsely imprisoned, he should be charged and punished as such.
Riot? LOL!!
Dear oh dear cian, you really live a sheltered life. Hae a look at the anti austerity protests in other european states FFS.
Well what do you call it when bricks are thrown through car windows, the deputy leader of the nation assaulted and held against her will for 3 hours?!
Cian she was assaulted by whom?,you are entitled to your opinion but you do not have the right to make up your own facts.
Bank supporters like Cian are not interested in the facts…….just in maintaining the autocratic rule of the simple minded right wing over the democratic rule of the people. Murphy’s opponents will be kicking themselves for handing him this victory in the next few days. Watch Vincent Brown tonight 11pm for the first shot across the banks bows.
by the banks bows I of course mean the governments…..but what’s the difference.
@ Cian “Well what do you call it when bricks are thrown through car windows”
There was one brick thrown by a little scrote who had nothing to do with the protest, because his mate was picked up on an outstanding warrant by the Guards. Oh, and the brick hit the back of the patrol car, it did not go through the window.
Seriously, get your facts straight if you’re going to throw words like ‘riot’ around.
Norman she was assaulted when someone threw a water ballon at her. Absolute animals at that “protest” and now they’re shocked their fearless leader is being prosecuted for his crimes, just as well he “was elected to break the law”.
Martin I’ve no clue what you’re ranting about take off the tin foil hat and enter the real world.
No surprise there Cian !!! I will send you some crayon diagrams to explain maybe that would be more your FG speed.
A Water Balloon !! do you guys not cringe every time you are forced to use that pathetic line. The world must be laughing at you trying to make a big deal out of a water balloon and some bad language. When entire cities have been torn apart by real riots by people protesting austerity. Ireland has the best behaved protest movements on the planet and it drives you bankers nuts thats all you have to throw at these democratic patriots.
Who said he was arrested?? He was only taken to the Garda Station??
He was arrested Michael….For god sake every news report started with those very words plus a criminal file was sent to the DDP . You would want to peel your tin foil hat up a bit so you can hear the News!!
This will be front page news for days, while more important government matters will be swept quickly under the rug, hoping no one will notice.
Isn’t there a load of irish account holders from HSBC looking to distract the media today??????
Shatter up to his old tricks again maybe?.He hasn’t gone away you know.
That there is. Amazing how there is story after story on this but hardly any mention of the HSBC accounts in Switzerland.
It will be VERY interesting to see what story RTEs 6-1 runs with this evening and for how long.
Will they consider the, strangely timed, dawn raid of a TD for a minor disturbance to Phonie Joanie, a more important story that the HSBC one?
The real question here is, why a dawn raid instead meeting the Garda ‘by appointment’ (like is afforded to the bankers)?
I’ll be eagerly watching and timing the pieces on RTE this evening.
Yes. Very powerful individuals. 350 rich Irish. Timing is everything.
The “real question” is easily answered;
1. He’d likely arrive at the station with a disruptive mob, since he was “elected to break the law” and all
2. Forewarning a group of people that they are to be interviewed gives them the chance to agree upon their answers in advance
Amazing how Paul Murphy was in his pyjamas this morning is getting more news than the HSBC accounts in Switzerland this morning. Think that tells its own story.
Funny then how the bankers were given so long to get their stories straight, shred documents, wipe hard drives, etc. Not that they really needed to hide anything because they knew that they would be well protected and could go laughing all the way back to their fat bank accounts after their derisory “community service”.
When you hear only what you want to hear then its called selective hearing – the HSBC has been on every station and getting as much if not more coverage the that clown Murphy
I see the FGHQ fraperoom are up to their usual tricks with their multiple fake accounts…
http://www.thejournal.ie/profile/296043/yeah-him-forcing-him-detain-woman-against-making-3427213/
Comment #3427213 by Silver Planet
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Yeah they set him up by forcing him to detain a woman against her will, and by making him boast about being elected to break the law. It’s a classic sting.
http://www.thejournal.ie/profile/136215/yeah-him-forcing-him-detain-woman-against-making-3427233/
Comment #3427233 by Lorem Ipsum
3 hours ago #
Yeah they set him up by forcing him to detain a woman against her will, and by making him boast about being elected to break the law. It’s a classic sting.
Same post, two different account names.
Sloppy, cretinous and dishonest. Have you thought about running for your party in the next election lads?
Didn’t see you over on that tread jamming. Which one if your other accounts were you using there?
I have one account, here it is posting on that thread 8 mins before I posted on this
http://www.thejournal.ie/profile/242582/bigtime-own-goal-3428248/
Anything else cupcake?
David Higgins typical of this FG troll
I am merely me! There was an explanation posted too, which you missed. Somehow….
Take it Easy on ‘were jamming’, he’s still trying to put his ar$e back into his pants after Fiona handed it to him last week. The shinners don’t like women putting them in their place.
you can just see the shinerbot sitting in his bedroom carrying out all this fantastic investigative work for the cult. Unfortunately no one gives a toss :D
Polls on the journal are now a joke because of Silver Planet :(
The government have shot themselves in the foot by sending half a dozen gardai to arrest the TD Paul Murphy, while still in his bed
In the propaganda war it is 1-0 to Murphy
The government sent them? And you know this? Please elaborate……
Keep quiet Reg.
The narrative must continue.
well by proxy they have so?
O’sullivan and Fitzgerland are hand in glove
If the government didnt want Murphy arrested he wouldnt be
In fairness… Joan as the victim of the harassment and false imprisonment would have had to press charges.
Not necessarily Drew. I’m sure that Gardai conducted a review of this incident and could have decided that if there was enough evidence to pursue this without a complaint.
No she would not. Those that incited the riot and those that assaulted guards threw bricks and such and broke public order act the guards can just pick them up from what they themselves witnessed.
I’m glad to see this action would have been nice to see it as bigger raid taking in all the toe rags. One thing I’d love to see is the garda footage. One thinks it would be enlightening
Incited a riot? LOL!
Oh, and the brick thrower had nothing to do with the protest, his buddy was picked up on an outstanding warrant, did you miss that?
I think you miss 95% of everything everytime to be honest.
But primates are bit less primitive than scary clowns
as decent people hope this thug is jailed for a long time
Mrgillhouley …don’t be silly we have to arrest Enda before we can jail him…you are very silly!!
Why don’t they go arrest some real criminals, ya know the ones who destroyed our economy, the ones who pass the brown envelope, the ones who could not give a rats about the people and who are only interested in lining their own pockets.
It is an absolute joke.
A politician in this case so not a bad start. Not only that but an orchestrator of dissent . Gotta remember Murphy’s recieved 1.2 million or so as an unelected mep. He’s just like the rest of them.
Same crap everyone becomes an expert on garda policy
Shane, you should go the the Guards with the information you have about politicians breaking laws.
Seriously, it is your duty as a citizen.
I mean, you wouldn’t just post an accusation without some hard evidence of laws being broken, would you?
Would you?
So in your eyes birdseye ,an orchestrator of dissent deserves to be arrested?? Thats the kind of attitude seen in russia or north korea, if you dissent you face arrest, my god is this the road 21st century ireland is heading down?
I’d say murphy has a horn on him that you could step up on to look over a wall, all the socialists partys dreams came true this morning
This looks likes a media deflection story to me to keep the mass’s busy. I feel it in my water if you forgive the pun.
There’s something else going through today that govt want kept under the radar. It could be linked to the HSBC bank doc going out on BBC tonight or the life on Jupiter’s moon story or something else ????
Do you think the public are so stupid that they get confused when there is more than one big story in the news?
Yes. Don’t underestimate the stupidity of the mass’s. That’s why our taxes pay for spin doctors employed en mass to sell the people pups over and over again.
Higgins argument seems to be that because Murphy is a TD he should get special treatment.
no his argument is that 6 gardai for one individual is idiotic which it is.
Idiotic is right! I am sure he would of voluntarily went to the station to be formally arrested.
Yes yes tonyflynn, seanie fitz can pop in after the back 9 to answer questions, but an elected representative requires 6 guards to take him from his home at 7am.
I think it’s standard practice to send that many to a house to execute a warrant – don’t you ever watch road wars?
if that’s standard practice than our standards are f****d
It took 6 garda to garda cars wow more money wasted
Matt have you or anyone you know ever had a warrent served on them and if so can you remember how meny guards were dispatched.
No it’s not – When Gardaí arrive they don’t know who or what are inside, or if the accused will resist. If some does resist it’s proven to be safer for both Gardaí AND arrestee if he/she is simply “sat on” by numbers rather than wrestle with 1 or 2.
Is that from personal experience or a reading from a garda manual. Just please answer the question. I say that cos the contrast between what the ordinary citizens get as a service from the guards and this obviously over the top reaction speaks for itself, what did they think they’d find, an alqeda cell or heroin distribution ring.
Haha so 2 guards arrive knocking on door. Murp the smurf sees them quick call as they do in the estates and half the toe rage population arrive.
Non issue.
He might be upset he did not get champagne breakfast
loops the law applies to you to mr murphy :D
Yea matt you never kno when an elected td is going to come out all guns blazing to avoid arrest and then go on the lam …..a simple phone call by the gardai and im pretty sure he would have arrived at any garda station they requested him at
The reason for the arrival of the Gardai at 7am and to have deputy Murphy led off in hand cuffs in front of his family needs to be looked into. Whoever ordered that method over a phone call and an appointment is clearly in league with government parties and is involved in political policing. This needs to be looked into because whoever in the Gardaí agreed that a sitting member of the Dail with absolute no danger of absconding needed to be dramatically arrested in what could only be for political reasons needs to be fired. Who ordered this action and why?????? That is more interesting than the rubbish the Banks are peddling about unlawful detention of a woman by a man that was not even involved in the organising of the peaceful assembly in Jobstown and was shouted at by the organisers for speaking to the people without their permission.
@Matt It’s an Own goal of the highest order and most intelligent people can see that…any sympathy Joan Burton manage to gain off the naïve from their hilarious reporting on Jobstown as a terrorist action has been handed back to Paul Murphy now in spades. There’s no happier person in Ireland today than Paul Murphy and his PR people. How thick is this government to throw away one of the only straws they had against the right2water movement.
Martin.
So ok let’s say guards ring Mr Murphy. Ah how ya getting on there lad. Listen that thing in tallaght was very naughty. We have to arrest you to get to the truth of the matter. Would 3pm tomorrow suit you?
In which case guards arrive and it’s tallaght riot all over again. Don’t be silly.
Also 7am seems reasonable sure go there at 10 he is probably gone and sure he knows then and asks half of tallaght to turn up to save him from the bad men lol.
So basically he broke the law as far as I can see the guards held back till now to look at their own footage and build a case.
So if he gets brought to court down the line it’s up to judge and jury of his peers to decide. Not you not the guards.
I love how on the journal common sense is not common :)
Charles that’s the same thought process that saw the Gardaí and the government commit this own goal this morning. Number 1 your argument is flawed to bits. Paul Murphy is not an idiot and neither are his supporters he is not going to give the banks media more fuel to reignite the dying embers of Irish Water by organising supporters outside his front door for the Gardaí to attack then RTE to edit it to suit Joan and co’s allegations. He is a sitting TD so not a chance he is going to do a runner particularly when what he is accused of is an absolute joke. So why 7am at his home and why handcuffs….answer political policing organised by Norin O’Sullivan The protégé and knowing accomplice of disgraced Commissioner Callinan.
Compare this arrest to the FF councillor that was accused of soliciting men to murder 3 people one of whom was a garda was able to make an appointment to answer questions, surely peaceful protest where the alleged victim was not harmed is not as serious as a potential murder inquiry.
See where your argument sinks there mate?
These clowns behave worse than young children. We tell children to cop on and to stop telling tales on each other yet these idiots that represent us (and I’m including the vast majority of sitting TDs on both government benches and in the opposition in this) feel that it is acceptable to waste our time and money telling tales to the media about who did what to who. I have a message for you politicians, take your heads out of your backsides and get on with what you’re paid to do!!! 500 people on trolleys don’t care, family’s taxed to the hilt and barely coping don’t care, the cancer sufferers who have had their medical cards taken from them don’t care. I am so sick of this nonsense!!!
What a wast of resources.
The next time you go to the Gardai with a matter you’ll be happy enough to be told to go away as it’s a waste of resources?
One guard is sufficient to arrest one man
SIX guards is a waste of resources
One guard, who could then be accussed of all sorts of things and would have no one to back him up, that would be sheer stupidity on behalf of the Gardai. The fact that this was a politician is the reason why there was several Gardai there, especially since Murphy is an anarchist.
One garda is not sufficient to arrest a grown man who’s already expressed his hostility to the authority of the state. Bringing 6 Gardai dissuades him from resisting arrest. It’s for his own good
But 6 out of 13,000 is hardly a huge drain on resources
Six is a drain on resources, did they think he was going to do a runner and hijack a car and go up north. Really do the guards not have common sense lessons in templemore. They’re like our politicians ridgedly fixed in their thinking, anything outside of their narrow parameters either elicits a huge pay rise or ten years in meetings only for nothing to change.
Reg ,I don’t go to the ploice , I have no faith or trust in them , you clown .
go to the police and make a complaint they will file it in the bin for you for safe keeping :D
Six guards at 7 am #cameras
Two then, Reg, if you must. Five is OTT.
I red thumbed you because of the clown comment. Rude!
Big – no doubt the rent a mob would have been there very quickly after a call from Murphy to people who he admits he doesn’t know their phone number but can recognise them. But just as interesting is that Murphy’s partner told reporters that Murphy would not have gone to the Garda Station if he was requested to so what does that tell you.
I was sitting in a car park earlier on today and watched young chap go around trying the doors on people’s cars. When he saw me he came over to my car and asked me “what did you see?”
When I asked him “What the fk are you up to?” He turned around and asked me for a fag so I would take my eyes off him and he he was going to stick me with a knife in the window. I knew this because I opened the door to lump him one for his cheek he ran off. When I told the security guard he said he is regularly pulling a knife out at people that are shopping and cleaning the facilities.
Moral of the story this was a busy well known shopping center in the North East in broad daylight. No police were called and the security guard wouldn’t tackle the youth that was running by him. We are living in a lawless Ireland were criminals are getting away scot free whilst the people protesting against Water are seen as ISIS elements, sinister fringes and vermin. Unemployment is not the sole reason why young people emigrated en masse from this country. It was to protect their mental health.
Hope they lock up Murphy and throw away the key. Nothing but a trouble maker.
At least he has the balls to get out there and make his voice heard.
Where 6 gardai sent to each of the homes of the 4 arrested.
communists and terrorists its better not take chances
If you have evidence Mr gillhouley of terrorists you should report it to the gardai.
no need the coopers have them :D
“Coopers” lol
God help the bank government if they ever have to deal with real “terrorists” if they get so scared that they go arresting publically elected citizens over a water balloon and bad language. All government supporters should be forced to go back to school and get a proper education the rest of the country are sick of stupid people defending the banks.
Paul Murphy was standing there on the day talking to the senior Garda on site and he was asking people who were there to keep it peaceful, if he had broken the law I’m sure he would of been arrested on the spot or are we suppose to believe that the guards just didn’t bother doing their job on the day as it hasn’t stopped them making arrests at any other protest where they felt law was been broken, this stinks and just proves the point that it is purely political
Darren , you forgot about the part where he was on his speaker asking the crowd if they should let her out ! Egging them on is what he was doing . there was no way the gardai were going to arrest anyone that day the main priority was to get Burton out of there safely . Paul Murphy is just a posh guy jumping on the bandwagon !
Or the Gardai have now revieved all the footage from the day and after consideration decided that Murphy has questions to answer.
Well thats complete BS. The protesters had her car blocked, murphy acted as go between for the gardai and protesters and sorted the release of the car. The videos are up on youtube.
having acted professionally the gardai did nothing that would incite the thugs into violence and merely observed and videotaped this horrific assault and abduction of an innocent woman. No they are rightly rounding up the ring leaders. Lets hope they are all jailed for a long long time
Acted professionally? After the fiasco at the protest the commanders decided it was a good idea to start serving unrelated warrants in another part of Jobstown while they had the public order unit out. Command totally broke with guards admitting later that many of them had no idea who was in actually in charge. It was yet another example of the incompetence of senior gardai.
You said it Joan he asked the protestors to “let her out” and that was after he was asked to intervene by the Gardai ,we are entitled to protest in this country and this is a charade to scare protesters plain and simple
they acted professionally and heroically when dealing with the thugs at the protest. its right that they no arrest the riff raff
So how much does a guard get paid daily multiplied by six and what about the two other guys as well. I was under the impression that we were broke.
One Garda with a baton and something to shove his loudhailer down his throat would have done.
What were they investigating for two months?.Probably cost less money and man power to take down Junior Soprano.Waste of garda resources.
Hope he spends the full 24hours in custody… Murphy is nothing but a thug!!
so the men of 1916 didnt use any force?
I think death by firing squad is definitely taking things too far.
So does that mean the 6 Gaurds were not there to help the poor unfortunate meter installers. This is becoming a joke am getting tired of hearing about it
The Water Baron will either be very pleased with this development, or, if he has any sense, he will worry that his despicable plan to monopolise & monetise the water supply will be endangered by this political arrest.
Little rich kid
rich kid who fighting for the small person
yeah, I’m sure if he had the choice of which parents to be conceived by, he’d have turned out alright in your opinion.
That’s really begrudgery, over here if someone stands up for the little guy and comes from a middle class family they’re hammered, weird. Some of the biggest changes in the world have come about cos middle class people realised it was for the better. Think fw de clerk. Ghandi.so should only working class people fight against austerity, it’s an odd world you inhabit.
FREE THE WATER CHARGES ONE …
will be emblazened upon my banner if any charges are imposed upon Paul
We need 166 Paul Murphy’s in the Dail, not just one
So you’re happy to leave the other 3 who were also arrested to rot?
A lot of people getting their knickers in a twist over nothing. They were arrested for Questioning. They have not yet been charged. That will be up to the DPP.
If there is no case to answer they will be released and that will be the end of it. If there is evidence that they broke the law, the investigating Gardai will send that evidence file to the DPP for consideration as to proceed or not.
So until the latter happens calm down and go about your business.
Ah stop with the common sense Mick. There’s a conspiracy theory bandwagon to be jumped on here!
Reg and Mick neither of you are thick you know it was never about a court case or a prosecution it was all about the arrest…..and the pretend linking of criminal activity to the anti IW protests.
Martin. With all due respect there has been an ongoing criminal investigation into the events at the Jobstown protest from the beginning and the questioning of these guys is just part of that process. The only politics being brought into it is by Murphy and his associates.
Amazing how concerned all these do gooders are now. Where were their press conferences when a woman was effectively trapped in Jobstown? I have no pity for Murphy. He needs to be accountable for his actions too.
Paul Murphy didn’t even organise the Tallagh Protest … If it wasn’t for him … the situation would have turned extremely violent … Paul’s arrival definitely help calm things down some … An Angry Protest became altogether a Peaceful Assembly … thanks to Paul Murphy … even the Gardai on the ground agreed after it …
This was a Political Decision by the Labour and Fine Gael Parties … It is quite obvious now … this Government DO NOT WANT PEACEFUL ASSEMBLIES in any shape or form …
Every Anti Austerity/Water Tax Groups should now call on the Irish Congress of Trade Unions to NOW CALL ON WORKERS in Ireland for ONE DAY ALL OUT STRIKES … This Government is Gone in the eyes of the Irish People … Enough is Enough … They are not even seeking a Debt Write Down from the ECB/IMF/EU to help us the Irish People ….
This Action of arresting Paul Murphy and his Fellow supporters has moved the Goal Posts in our Favour…
The Power of the People is Stronger than the People in Power
Let the People Decide … Their Own Future ….
It makes sense to send 6 cops to Murphys house. He wouldn’t move out of the way of a car, blocked the road and probably would have done the same thing the moment he got outside his front door and was in front of an audience. By his previous actions it was only prudent that the appropriate number of personnel were used to carry out the arrest.
If I remember correctly it took 4+Gardai to remove Joe Higgins from a protest years ago so their historic actions leave them with no-one to blame but themselves.
I have no great love for AAA. But I find it strange that Three elected members of the opposition were arrested.
If this ‘yes I’m saying’ “IF” this is in anyway due to some political influence.
To would be the second stupidest thing any Irish government has ever done.
The first being the guarantee.
Krystalnacht
So with all the gardai around on the day of the alleged offense, they stood there and watched did they, will the members of the gardai in attendance and their superiors at this incident face disciplinary action for allowing a minister be ” falsely imprisoned ” or will the government be just detaining Members of the opposition to put this issue to bed?
Beautifully coordinated with the HSBC scandal breaking. At 7am, that was the top story in the ‘Sindo’ Online. Now it lies in 13th place.
A 7 am phalanx of Gardai. That gives a new meaning to morning wood.
He said he was elected to break the law. The broke the law. He got arrested. End of. He’s a f@&€ing moron. The only upsetting thing is his idiot constituents will see him now as even more of a Robin Hood figure rather than the deeply cynical vote buyer that he most assuredly is. The worst kind of political opportunist. A veritable left wing Bertie Ahearn.
i think the technical term for murphy is gobsh*te
Takes one, as they s
The government have just shot themselves in the foot and played into the hands of AAA. Bad move coming up to an election.
A few years ago I was driving home when my phone rang. I pulled in to take the call and parked my car in a parking space outside an apartment complex. The next thing the owner of the space pulled up behind me and started shouting at me, telling me how sick he was of people parking in his space. I explained that I was only taking a call and I’d move to let him in. However, this lovely individual continued to rant and rave, then walked into his apartment, leaving his car where it was so I was blocked in to “teach me a lesson”. I tried reasoning with him but he was quite aggressive. Eventually I had to call the guards.
I was left there for over an hour. The man stood at the window making various rude and threatening gestures. This was 10:30pm on a Friday night, in a rough area of town, and there were a bunch of lads sitting on a wall, drinking cans. As a lone female, I felt very intimidated. The guards eventually came and made him move his car (after much roaring, screaming and abuse from his and his delightful wife).
He was never arrested. Just got a bit of a telling off. What’s the difference here?
You’re not a blueshirt, the blueshirts look after their own.
The ambiguities apparent in the Socialists’ stance on this are startling:
According to Paul Murphy the detention of Joan Burton in her car by an angry mob or gathering of peaceful or threatening protesters is justified. According to the socialists the detention of Paul Murphy in a Garda station by the Gardaí is a politically motivated stunt that is “over the top.” Maybe it is worth noting that the number of protesters used to detain Ms Burton is considerably more than the six guards who took Mr Murphy in for questioning. It is political policing to arrest Paul Murphy but justifiable protest detain Joan Burton in a car for over two hours.
In its aftermath Paul Murphy was quite proud of his part in organising the protest, mind you he did condemn some of the comments made to her and say he did not agree with those who banged on her car. This all sounds remarkably similar to the condemnation of violence by the loyalist politicians of Northern Ireland when at the height of tensions they had days earlier whipped the mobs on the Ardoyne or at Garvaghy Road to frenzy.
Paul Murphy and Joe Higgins and the like need to remember that while the protests have been vast by Irish standards in terms relative to the whole electorate they remain a very small percentage of the whole. This is borne out by the results of our elections whereby socialist still receive a much smaller vote than the main parties.
The mess of the countries finances need to be sorted out. The budget needs to be balanced no matter who is in power. It is still the case that the money that is spent on public sector wages, social welfare, health budgets etc is borrowed money. We have always, throughout the history of the state, apart from the brief years of the Celtic Tiger borrowed that money.
We can continue to tickle around the edges of that problem in terms of who pays and how much they pay but all politicians need to understand that that fundamental deficit must be addressed by cutting our expenditure and increasing our income before we can even begin to think about building a new society in Ireland.
Using nonsense like this to create a smokescreen of chaos in society is not productive for anyone and will not do Ireland any good in the long term. Time for all politicians from all sides to act like statesmen and stateswomen and unite the country rather than creating populist positions to create division.
today is a good day. loads of jobs announced and load of riff raff rounded up. not a bad day at all
Loads of the usual Hunger Games type spin from a bank government with no support and no mandate for the actions they are taking. Where’s the emigration figures , the job losses, the suicides? to put along side the fast food, supermarket, jobs bridge and other minimum and no wage so called jobs…you banks supporters are hilarious.
Joan Burton wasn’t the only person in the car. Everyone is entitled to go about their business without fear or threat.
Not true mcbab …citizens who are going about their constitutional right of assembly and to voice an opinion are not entitled to go about their business under the current bank government.
What a surprise blueshirt guards help blueshirt politicians draw attention from the tax dodging of blueshirt financiers. AGS has one forensic accountant and he’s seconded to CAB, investigating organized crime, they have no interest in investigating corruption, abuse of power or white collar crime because the commanders of AGS are joint at the hip with the Fine Gael party and both are benefiting from it.
can never be too careful with a thug. Should have tapered him just in case
Into a point? Are you suggesting, Mr Gillhouley, that Gardai carry offensive pencil sharpeners?
Tapered him ?? Bahahaaha!
Am I getting this right?. The gardai have taken almost three months to compare notes and footage on this incident and then, on their own initiative, decide there’s a case to answer?
I suspect we could be looking at another Garda fiasco, i.e stitch-ups, penalty points, Donegal, etc,etc.
Another Own Goal by Labour!!!!! With thanks to Joan’s buddies in FG/ Garda !!! Only one winner here that’s Murphy !!!
I still have no idea what crime is supposed to have been committed.
Brilliant piece of PR, I wonder why this government loves Murphy so much ?
I have yet to see the annual budget, tax breakdown by a finance minister include or even mention those who earn between 500k and a million a year.
Strange that.
This is just what that little rat wanted. Gardai have played right into his hands. He is LOVING this…. !
How cost effective were these arrests ?.
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