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TANAISTE FRANCES FITZGERALD has resigned.
She informed her Cabinet colleagues this morning, ahead of a planned motion of no confidence by Fianna Fáil tonight.
It follows days of political turmoil, a fresh trawl of Department of Justice documents and several private meetings between Taoiseach Leo Varadkar and Fianna Fáil leader Micheál Martin.
Fitzgerald has confirmed she will still allow her name go forward for the Dublin Mid-West selection convention. The Fine Gael meeting takes place tonight.
Here’s how the day’s events played out:
The Taoiseach Leo Varadkar and Fianna Fáil leader Micheal Martin are going to meet again this morning. It’s understood that both are still keen to avoid an election.
We want to hear your comments on this so please get in touch in the comments section below.
Sinn Féin deputy leader Mary Lou McDonald told Morning Ireland on RTÉ Radio 1 that Fitzgerald needs to go.
I just think that the Tanaiste needs to go. It’s utterly farcical to say that we should wait for the tribunal, of course Francis Fitzgerald will have to give testimony to the tribunal and others within the department.
“In fact it seems to me that there’s now another dimension to this and there needs to be an investigation, whether through the tribunal or separately, as to how a disclosure order was not complied with. That’s a most serious matter.”
Labour’s Alan Kelly has said the latest emails make Fitzgerald’s position untenable.
Kelly is critical of the current Justice Minister Charlie Flanagan and says the Justice Department refused to answer parliamentary questions he asked from 27 October.
Kelly also says an inquiry needs to be launched as to why these emails were not provided to the tribunal in the first place.
“The evidence that has been produced in the last 24 hours shows that there was an awareness level in relation of what was going on in relation to a legal strategy and that to me means her position is absolutely untenable.
The Minister needs to resign or else the Taoiseach needs to act. It is absolute total and utter madness if we have an election now.
That sentiment has been echoed by former Justice Minister Alan Shatter. He sent a tweet this morning that an election would be “total madness”.
It has just turned 8am, it looks certain now that if Francis Fitzgerald does not resign by 8pm, there will be a General Election.
RTÉ is reporting that the Independent Alliance is going to meet with Taoiseach Leo Varadkar this morning before the cabinet meets.
Up until now the alliance has supported the Tánaiste.
Fine Gael Senator Jerry Buttimer has said the emails shed no new light.
He also said the Tanaiste wasn’t aware of the strategy to undermine Morris McCabe, despite being sent an email about an aggressive approach.
It’s aggressive questioning in a media query, it’s not a statement of fact and we’re prejudging the tribunal outcome on the basis of a question. It’s an aggressive question in a media query.
He said the Tanaiste was advised not to interfere, adding, “We either allow for the tribunal to do it’s work or we just don’t bother.”
Our political reporter Christina Finn spoke to Simon Harris on his way into Government Buildings this morning. He said it’s time for cool heads.
Health Minister Simon Harris said:
This country doesn’t need a General Election … it’s a day for cool heads, a day for calm reflection and we need to try and have a situation where government can continue with the very big jobs at hand.
The Taoiseach has now arrived for today’s Cabinet briefing and that meeting with the Independent Alliance.
Taoiseach arrives at Government Buildings for today's Cabinet meeting pic.twitter.com/0n4GZB60S5
— Christina Finn (@christinafinn8) November 28, 2017
Fianna Fáil’s Timmy Dooley said he learned about the additional emails last night and that Fitzgerald’s position is now untenable.
He said her position that she wasn’t aware of the strategy “doesn’t hold water”.
He also said it has gone beyond the Tanaiste coming into the Dáil to answer questions.
What we need now is for the wise heads in Fine Gael to get together.
Tanaiste Frances Fitzgerald has now arrived at Government Buildings.
RTÉ has reported that Fine Gael TD Hildegarde Naughton has said it’s very difficult for the Tanaiste to remain in office.
It’s understood that she is the first Fine Gael TD to break the ranks publicly.
Naughton’s opinion is at odds with the sentiment displayed by Simon Harris who said the Tánaiste should “certainly not” resign.
He said the controversy should be dealt with by the Disclosures Tribunal.
Greencore chief executive Patrick Coveney – the brother of Minister for Foreign Affairs Simon Coveney – has said he doesn’t think a general election before Christmas would be good for business.
He told Morning Ireland on RTÉ Radio 1 that an election could weaken the Government’s ability to represent Ireland’s interests in relation to Brexit.
In today’s poll we’re asking, are you concerned about the British view of Ireland in Brexit negotiations?
So to recap – both Sinn Féin and the Labour Party are calling on Leo Varadkar to sack Tanaiste Frances Fitzgerald.
Fianna Fáil says the only way to avoid an election is for the Tanaiste to accept political responsibility.
The Taoiseach is still standing behind Fitzgerald with Health Minister Simon Harris telling reporters this morning that the Tánaiste should “certainly not” resign.
However, Fine Gael TD Hildegarde Naughton has publicly said it’s very difficult for Fitzgerald to remain in office.
The Independent Alliance is set to meet the Taoiseach ahead of this morning’s Cabinet meeting.
Up until now the alliance has supported the Tánaiste and it’s reported that a change in stance is not expected at this stage.
Canvassers sent out over the weekend say they have been warned ‘the door will be shut in their faces’ if there’s a Christmas election.
The countdown continues with just 10 hours now left for Fine Gael and Fianna Fail to reach a deal to avoid a Christmas election.
The Fianna Fáil motion of no confidence in the Tánaiste is due to be tabled at 8pm tonight.
Arriving at Government Buildings, Transport Minister Shane Ross told reporters that the situation is “very grave” and Minister Finian McGrath said they were going to make their views known to the Taoiseach.
The members of the Independent Alliance wouldn’t say if they would be calling on the Tánaiste to resign.
Members of the Independent Alliance are now meeting with the Taoiseach. They spoke to reporters on the way into Government Buildings.
Minister for Transport Shane Ross said, “The situation is grave, we want to consult with our Independence Alliance colleagues.
We’re going to make our views known when we get in there, of course we’re against an election. We don’t want an election.
Minister of State Finian McGrath said, “The situation is very grave but we’ll be making our views known to the Taoiseach and the Cabinet this morning and that’s all we want to say for the moment.”
When asked if Frances Fitzgerald should resign, he said, “No comment”.
Members of the Independence Alliance Minister for Transport Shane Ross with Minister of State for Disability Finian McGrath talking to the media on their way into cabinet.
It’s reported that a meeting of the Cabinet has now begun and that a meeting of Fine Gael ministers that was scheduled for earlier this morning didn’t take place.
A senior source has told our political reporter that the Taoiseach told the Tanaiste to consider the issue overnight.
A photo of the pair in happier times launching the Paternity Leave Bill on Father’s Day, in Farmleigh House, Dublin.
Some sources are reporting that Fitzgerald has maintained that she will not be resigning and would need to be sacked, but this is just speculation at this stage.
Hugh O’Connell – formerly of this parish – has told Today with Sean O’Rourke on RTÉ Radio 1 that a source has revealed to him that the Independent Alliance are not backing Fitzgerald.
Our political reporter Christina Finn says some members of the parliamentary party are “livid” with Varadkar and that they were sent out to defend the Tánaiste over the weekend.
Fine Gael TDs are not happy with how their leader has dealt with the situation.
It’s understood that Varadkar had read the thread of emails over the weekend, ahead of their release yesterday evening.
Christina Finn here from Leinster House.
Sources are stating that Tánaiste is to announce her resignation – but this has yet to be officially confirmed.
One minister has confirmed to TheJournal.ie that Tánaiste Frances Fitzgerald is to resign. She made her intentions known at the Cabinet meeting this morning – which is now over.
Her resignation is expected to be announced in the Dáil later this afternoon.
Her resignation comes in the final hours, with the government on the brink of collapse. A motion of no confidence from Fianna Fáil was scheduled for 8pm.
This is now set to be withdrawn.
Now that the Tánaiste is to step aside, the focus is already shifting on to the current Justice Minister Charlie Flanagan.
We’ll just leave this here:
Dara Calleary of Fianna Fáil has been speaking to RTÉ’s News at One. He’s described it as a “sad day” for the Tánaiste and that it’s not about “looking for scalps”.
Asked whether Charlie Flanagan, the current Justice Minister, has questions to answer on the email issue Calleary said that he did, and that he expected the Minister would answer those questions in the Dáil.
Fianna Fáil will not be submitting a motion of no confidence in Flanagan, he said.
Just to confirm – the Fianna Fáil motion of no confidence will not go ahead tonight in any form, nor will Sinn Féin’s tomorrow.
Here’s the full statement from Frances Fitzgerald:
Today I made the decision to tender my resignation to the Taoiseach, stepping-down with immediate effect as Tánaiste and Minister for Business, Enterprise and Innovation. It has been the greatest honour of my life to serve in Government, but I believe it is necessary to take this decision to avoid an unwelcome and potentially destabilising general election at this historically critical time.
Throughout my career I have always sought to act with integrity and responsibility, and that is why I have decided on this occasion to put the national interest ahead of my own personal reputation. I have always believed in fairness and equality and these principles have guided my work as Minister for Children and Youth Affairs, as Minister for Justice and Equality, and now as Minister for Business, Enterprise and Innovation.
I would like to thank the Taoiseach for showing the same courage and determination to protect my good name that he displayed three years ago when he stood-up and defended the reputation of Maurice McCabe. What I admire most about the Taoiseach is that he has always believed in doing what was right – not what was popular or politically expedient. I will always be grateful for his confidence and support and for giving me the opportunity to serve in a Government that is making a real difference in people’s lives at a critical time in our history.
However, I decided that my continuation in office risks destabilising that good work, and so I have decided to step-down so that this work may continue and the country can be spared an unnecessary election. It will also allow me to vindicate my good name at the Charleton Tribunal, without causing any further distraction to the work of the Government. I have always believed in due process and I believe that in the current situation that is becoming increasingly difficult for me. I acted correctly in difficult circumstances and, in fact, did everything that I could to support the search for truth and protect whistleblowers.
I would like to thank all those who have worked with me over the years and I am so grateful for the incredible support I received from family, friends, supporters, staff, and my constituents in Dublin Mid-West. And I look forward to continuing to serve all the people of Dublin Mid-West.
I have no further comment to make.
The Green Party has welcomed Fitzgerald’s resignation – but leader Eamon Ryan thinks Charlie Flanagan should leave his Justice post.
“We welcome the resignation of the Tánaiste Frances Fitzgerald. We said from the start that now wasn’t the time for an election, and we hope that this averts the prospect of an election before Christmas, with the country facing vital Brexit negotiations,” Ryan said in a statement.
“However, there are still serious questions to be answered here. When the Taoiseach is amending his cabinet to select a new Minister for Business, he should go further and ensure that the Department of Justice starts off in a new direction under a new Minister. This crisis was centred not just on what happened back in May 2015 but what the Department of Justice was doing in recent weeks. Minister Flanagan took the same approach as his predecessor in overseeing a Department which held back relevant information. He too should step aside.”
Green Party Chair Councillor Roderic O’Gorman added:
We want the role of the Department of Justice to be included in the work of the Charlton Tribunal as we suggested in an amendment last February this year which was voted down by both Fianna Fail and Fine Gael. We also support the break-up of the Department with Home Affairs, and Security and Justice issues being separated to help create a new culture within the institution.
We’ll be live shortly with Leaders’ Questions…
Political reporter Christina Finn here now to take you through Leaders’ Questions.
The Dáil chamber is beginning to fill up now following a very eventful morning.
TDs around the corridors appear to be relieved that an election has been averted at the final hour. Many have been critical of Fitzgerald, stating that she could have controlled the situation more and left on her own time – while now it appears she was pushed.
The latest tweet from Fitzgerald:
The Taoiseach will now read a statement.
He says he has accepted Fitzgerald’s resignation with “regret” and has decided to take up her portfolio as Business, Enterprise and Innovation minister.
He says she was the most “reforming” Minister for Justice. He says in the last few days there has been a drip of information and there was a “feeding frenzy” where all the facts remained unclear.
He says she had no hand, act or part in the legal strategy. He says her knowledge of the information was limited. He says her good name will be vindicated by the tribunal.
Fitzgerald has been a pioneer in women’s rights, says the Taoiseach.
He says recent events have uncovered serious issues and systemic problems in the Department of Justice.
He says reforms will now be accelerated. A review of the culture will take place, as well as a review of the relationship between the department and the gardaí. He also wants to know why the department gave him misinformation and says Parliamentary Questions will be answered as fully and openly as possible.
Micheál Martin is up and he says there was a dismissive attitude to Dáil members who asked legitimate questions about what was being hidden.
The Taoiseach says he is “not happy at all” at how the last number of weeks have played out. He says arrangements are being made for the current Justice Minister Charlie Flanagan to make a statement to the House and to “apologise for the failure of his department”.
He says Flanagan will also offer further assurances that questions from now on will be answered properly.
If the emails were out ten days ago, he says, Tánaiste would not have had to resign
“We didnt have to end up in the situation we are in today,” says the Taoiseach, pointing out that had questions been answered, this “sorry set of affairs” could have been avoided.
He said had questions been answered, the minister might not have had to step aside, something he said was her own decision.
He says Fianna Fáil acted in good faith over the weekend in their discussions. He says he regrets that it resulted in the resignation of a good woman.
He says the minister and her family have ended up on the front pages on the papers, something he says he did not want.
The Taoiseach says a hotline is to be set up if they are not happy with the answers they are getting from the department.
All past PQs relating to McCabe will be reviewed and new information put on record where needed.
“I am prepared to shine the brightest of lights in the darkest of places.”
Mary Lou McDonald says he put the interests of Fine Gael before the country and was the first test of his time as leader. She says he failed, dismally.
She said the department’s withholding of documents from the tribunal is a criminal offence.
How did he [Charlie Flanagan] allow that to happen, she asks.
The Taoiseach says McDonald misled the Dáil by stating that the emails were sent to members of the gardaí. He says for SF it is just about point scoring and getting ahead.
He says that is not how political parties should operate.
Varadkar says he wants the tribunal to be allowed to do its work. It will be interesting to see what the outcome of the tribunal.
He says he does not know why the emails were not provided to the tribunal when they should have been. He says the only reason they came to light is because he ordered a trawl of the department last week.
The Taoiseach says he never wants to be put in the position again where he is given the wrong information by a department. He assures the Dáil that he will be holding officials to account.
Varadkar is commissioning an external inquiry, to report before Christmas, on how latest emails were not sent to the Charleton Tribunal.
He says he wants to know what was behind that – though he says we may never find out.
Speaking about Flanagan, he says it is of deep regret that he didn’t see the document for another week – if he had, we might be in a different situation than we are in today.
Richard Boyd Barrett says there is now relief that the public won’t be asked to go to the polls in the run up to Christmas.
He criticises that he protected the minister right up to the last minute, even though he knew over the weekend that she had more information than had previously been stated,.
“This places never ceases to amaze me,” he says.
A sombre looking Charlie Flanagan this morning who has been heavily criticised by the Taoiseach in the Dáil today over the failure of his department.
Richard Boyd Barrett says he tried to get special Dáil time set aside today for further questions over the email scandal – but he says Fianna Fáil is in a “collusion of silence” to stop it.
He says it was arranged at the Business Committee earlier.
The Taoiseach says it is not the first time Boyd Barrett’s questions have been confused.
“I didn’t request that I did not do Leaders’ Questions today,” he adds.
I want to assure the deputy it will never be my intention to plunge this country into an unnecessary general election… I did everything I could this weekend,” he says.
“I did not seek it [Fitzgerald's resignation] – she did it of her own volition,” he adds. He says she did it for the good of the country.
Boyd Barrett says the government are trying to run away from answering questions about the scandal.
The people didn’t want an election inflicted on them over Christmas, but he says that is not an excuse not to answer the questions.
“The legitimacy of this government is shredded,” he proclaims.
The Taoiseach says Flanagan will be making a statement and he will answer questions.
“I was the one to order the trawl of documents as I had to come in here twice to correct the record,” he says, adding that it was he who put them into the public domain yesterday.
Had that happened a number of weeks ago by the department, “we wouldn’t be in this sorry situation” he adds.
I have no interest in kicking you or Frances Fitzgerald, says Mick Wallace.
The Independents 4 Change TD says listening to what is going on in Leinster House is “soul destroying”.
Since 2012, he says he has been trying to raise the issue of the the toxicity within the gardaí and the department of justice.
“Is there any appetite to do things differently,” he pleads.
“We no more represent the people in here,” says Wallace, in a defeated tone.
Where is the appetite for the truth, he asks.
“I am as totally dissatisfied as much as you are – you may not believe it,” the Taoiseach tells Wallace.
“This is not the way I want the parliament to operate,” he adds.
He says he does not want things to continue on the way they have been going the last few years, highlighting that it is he who spoke up for Maurice McCabe a number of years ago.
He says as a doctor, he knows that diagnosis is a a damn sight easier than surgery.
Identifying problems is one thing he says, but tackling it and solving the issue is another.
Here is the Taoiseach’s statement in full on the resignation of Frances Fitzgerald:
This morning, Frances Fitzgerald came to me to offer her resignation as Tánaiste and Minister for Business, Enterprise and Innovation. She is doing so to avoid an unnecessary and early General Election that could have left the country without a functioning government and Oireachtas for several months at a crucial time for Ireland.
Over the next few weeks and months, the government will need to focus on the Brexit negotiations, both phase one and phase two. We have a Finance Bill and Appropriations Bill to enact. Legislation to pass for public sector pay restoration and pension and social welfare increases. We also have the important work of the committee on the 8th amendment to complete paving the way for a referendum next year. All of these would fall in the event of a general election.
The work of the government and the parliament must not be interrupted during this important period. So, it is with deep regret that I have accepted her resignation.
It is my strong view that a good woman is leaving office without getting a full and fair hearing.
Frances has been an exemplary member of Government and a loyal colleague. She established the Department of Children and Tusla, changed the constitution twice to enshrine in it children’s rights and the right to marriage equality. She was one of the most reforming Ministers for Justice we have ever had setting up the Independent Policing Authority chaired by Josephine Feehily, the Legal Services Regulatory Authority and bringing in a raft of reforming legislation including the Sexual Offences Act. She always supported whistle-blowers, and enshrined a code of ethics in An Garda Síochána to protect them.
In the past few days a drip-drip of information may have made certain things seem greater than they are. There was a feeding frenzy, and it became impossible for her to get a fair hearing based on the full facts. I hope that will change in the period ahead.
While all of the facts still remain unclear, there are a few things that we do know. Frances had no hand act or part in the former Commissioner’s legal strategy, did not devise or guide it in any way. She was advised by her own officials that she had no function in the matter. The Attorney General has since confirmed this advice and further advised that she would have been acting improperly and inappropriately if she had sought to interfere with the work of the O’Higgins Commission.
We know from the e-mails, that Frances Fitzgerald had no knowledge of it until the Commission’s hearing were already underway and that her knowledge of the detail was limited.
I hope calm, measured reading of the evidence will show that the Tánaiste acted appropriately, and I hope the Charleton Tribunal will establish this conclusively in the weeks ahead, and that she will have her good name vindicated. I expect her to continue to play a full role in political and public life including at the highest level.
Throughout her career, the Tánaiste has been a champion of women’s rights, and equal rights, she has been a pioneer when it comes to supporting children, and fighting against all forms of inequality and injustice.
The events of the past few days have exposed major problems once again within a dysfunctional Department of Justice, including the way important emails were not found and therefore not sent on to the Charleton Tribunal during discovery. I am directing that there will be an external inquiry into that to report before Christmas. Systemic problems within the Department were identified in the Toland Report. Minister Fitzgerald began the process of implementing the Report, and this has continued under her successor Charlie Flanagan. These reforms will now be accelerated, and the government is planning radical action to restore public confidence in the Department of Justice.
An independent and change implementation group will be established to:
a) assess progress in implementing the recommendations of the Toland Report;
b) review the culture of the Department, make recommendations for change, particularly in the light of evidence of a continued siloed and secretive culture and a failure to provide accurate information to me and the Oireachtas;
c) examine in particular, the relationship between the Department and the Gardaí, to ensure that the relationship is appropriately structured, is understood in both organisations and operates in such a way as to ensure accountability and better performance;
d) draw on the expertise of the Policing Authority in conducting its work;
The Government will in the coming days provide further details on this. The Minister and Secretary General of the Department for Justice & Equality will ensure that all future PQs are replied to as fully and openly as possible, subject to Dáil Standing Orders and the law. All recent PQs asked by any Deputy relating to Maurice McCabe will be reviewed and it will be ensured that they have been answered as fully and openly as possible. Any additional relevant additional information will be provided to Deputies as quickly as possible.
These events have reminded us of some of the ways Maurice McCabe was undermined, when he shone a light in some very dark places. As Taoiseach I am determined to shine the brightest of lights into the darkest of places, so that we arrive at the truth and have true accountability.
I continue to believe that the Tánaiste acted throughout in a way that was appropriate. But these are matters that will now be investigated and adjudicated upon by a tribunal.
In the meantime, the Government will continue to work for the good of the country. We will focus on the challenge of Brexit, and deal with the many other problems we are facing. We will not be distracted as we strive to do what is in the best interests of all the people.
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Fine Gael wouldn’t tell a lie just to get elected would they ?
FG talking bolixology again..and thinking we’re believing them.
Liars and Traitors, never again
after all their fantastic work on employment and the economy FG have secured my vote :)
good man tommy, keep drinkin’ the Koolade
Tommy MacDonagh – AKA – Dane Tyghe – new fake name – still same ould Blueshirt guff and spoof ???
Tommy you sound like the Fianna Fail supporters of the early 2000s, ‘sure it doesn’t matter if they blatantly lie and waste vast amounts of our money,and feck the homeless crisis and hospitals sure Enda said i could have a job! You’re a moron
FG to secure the recovery for everyone :)
I really hope I don’t have to look at bloody enda Kenny smug face for the next 4 years, please don’t vote fg. remember all you are doing if you vote fg is letting enda be a dictator for another term.
Tommy, they don’t allow 12 year olds vote I’m afraid.
Fg recovery only extends as far as their cronies and redacted……everyone else prepare for 5 more years of having their pockets emptied with stealth taxes , the country sold to private/profiteers, if you vote fg back in.
It’s a pity that the psych unit couldn’t secure you,Kenneth :)
dont forget the recovery for the hundreds of thousands that FG got back to work, truly a remarkable achievement :)
You do know you can seek help for the mental disorder Dane
I am laughing out loud at you,Kenneth :)
Which one of Enny Kenny’s austere policies ensured this remarkable recovery in some parts of the country?
T_witter_name same IP address as Tommy McDonagh mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Are you posting to yourself now Dane
Great record there, Noonan……..hound a dying woman Bridget McCole and threaten to financially destroy her on her death bed….while at the same time ignoring sex abuse and all happening under your watch while you were Minister for Health. Disgusting!
If that’s your role model…I can only believe that your morals are missing and people don’t matter to you.
Tommy – do not tell the truth here. You know it upsets IRA/SF, AAA and PBP. Despite their limited number the manage to thumb above their weigh through their multi-aliased accounts
Hey Powerabbey whats the going rate in YFG HQ for Trolling or is it a jobsbridge scheme ?
Just because you do it Powerabbey….doesn’t mean everyone else does, it’s always a mistake to assume others share your poor moral compass.
You should get yourself over to the fg Facebook page powerabbey and start defending them on there because they are getting called out on their bs and lies by normal working people who don’t see any sign of recovery…get yourself over there quick. There might even e something in it for you
Whos going to pay for all these public servants that are going to get 30% of their rent paid for them.. Is that in their fiscal waffle.
Hey guys – don’t get confused – I have been accused of being a troll for FG, Labour and FF this week. Unlike you guys I have no specific ties – except that I detest IRA/SF lies.
So you like austerity paying for five point plans reduced services bad health services and people who live in emergency accommodation reducing our tourist acvommodation
Tommy what fantastic work have they done?
Does ANY of their fiscal plans stack up? This is ALL about keeping power or getting into power! …….you are going to be promised a “pot of gold” if you vote for any of them, but the only thing you can be sure of is, you will not get that “pot of gold” and you will get 10001 reasons why they cannot deliver it! …….VOTE wisely my children!!!
None of these political people have the ability to understand of wisely manage our nation including its finance. This is partly due to the electorate who have a broken selfish outlook rather than an united national concern. Any candidate who would do what is required would not stand a chance of election.
My advice is get prepared for economic collapse and debt default. At 1/4 trillion euro debt we are not going to pay that back any time soon especially as we in the entitlement and apathy era of democracy.
So when are getting our private bank bailout money back? It was €64 billion I believe – they hope that we have forgotten.
New rules kick in this year from the EU – the expenditure benchmark.
Ireland has no wriggle room as we’re under a bailout and relaxation doesn’t apply, the rules state that.
Any more monies from EU ordering multi-nationals to pay more tax will have to go to pay the national debt, as well as pretty much anything brought in on bumper corporate taxes.
The Fiscal body got it about right with 3.2 billion over five years, way below FG and other parties’ forecasts. So about 600,000 euro a year available for spending and tax cuts.
A lot of people are going to very angry.
Am I the only one that thinks this whole “fiscal space” is an incentive to public service unions that FG will have money left over to buy them *after* the election, not before as they usually do (due to it not existing). Surely a more prudent plan would be to pay of the massive sovereign debt that Noonan created from FF’s clusterfock handling of finance, and not take in as much “fiscal space” over-taxation?
Still pretending we’re not in the European Union shinnerbot?
I know this good news is bad news for your party, but please, we’ve all done Junior Cert Geography here…..
Fastest growing economy as the ponzi banking system are lending money again – or should I say inventing money out of thin air.
Interesting how our “economy” is growing and yet our debt is growing… misleading for an election?
Nope.
Gross public debt as a percentage of GDP is due to fall from 98.4% in 2015 to 93.9% in 2016 to 85.7% in 2017.
GDP is as meaningless as your ‘fastest growing economy’ drivel, as it includes the profits that the multinationals repatriate to their home states. GNP is the important one.
Ah now Hugh, why did you take down my link???
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/fg-man-arranged-o-brien-s-meetings-with-ministers-1.1105090
GNP was at an all time high in the second quarter of 2015
Due to fall. Right. Noonan told ya that himself, yeah?
A vote for FG is a vote for corruption lies and broken promises.
We are no longer under a bailout. Though restrictions do still apply to what we can do.
3.2 billion over 5 years is not 600.000 euro. But I agree people will be angry when they see how they are trying to be deceived by the figures the government are putting forward.
A vote for FG is another nail in Irelands coffin, keep these criminals out of power!
Just like last time its Promises promises but they won’t be in Government on their own so its all meaningless waffle.
We’ll end up with a ‘Program for Government’ that none of us will have voted for and which will be written by themselves setting targets that will get them re-elected.
I’m sick to the teeth of this bulls**t.
They didn’t get through much of the 5 point plan with one of the biggest gov majorities in the history of the state – they’re not going to do shiz when propped up with indps.
Comical kenny strikes again,the sleeveen neck of him dismissing the shinner economics when the man clearly hasn’t a clue himself.
Fine Gael the party of greed are not finished with making the peasant’s pay for their friends in high places. It’s time this greedy and crony ridden party are dumped from office.
I’m not a fan of UK tabloids. But when I saw The Suns front page photo of Cameron dressed up as a soldier, with the headline of, “WHO DO YOU THINK YOU”RE KIDDING MR CAMERON” I kinda wished the same thing would have happened to Noonan a few year back. His ‘not a red cent more; was such a cheap tactic.
Can we please get some political articles that are not written by Hugh? Does literally everything we hear about how our country is(n’t) being run have to come from a die hard blueshirt?? This is getting beyong a joke.
beyond even
He’s obviously their political correspondent. Get over it
even LinkedIn wouldn’t call him that
https://ie.linkedin.com/title/political-correspondent
Hugh’s own page describes himself as a political EDITOR who is “responsible for overseeing and developing the political coverage in one of Ireland’s leading online news publications.”
Hands up (red) who thinks he’s doing a genuinely good job
Hands up (green) who thinks his own political preferences are a bit too apparent for him to be responsible for overseeing and developing the political coverage in one of Ireland’s leading (sic) online news (sic) publications
shinners are getting extremely paranoid :D
In fairness to Hugh, it would appear from the tenor of some of his recent articles that the scales may be falling from his eyes, and he is development a more realist attitude to his beloved FG. Or maybe that’s just my imagination!
Nah I wouldn’t be handing out blue peter badges for slowly realising their reinstatement isn’t such a forgone conclusion after all and starting to worry he was backing the wrong horse.
There are probably thousands of people stuck on the dole who could do a far better job of it.
No Rashers….it’s called moving to neutral ground in readiness for the next Government, who ever they may be. A ‘journalist’ must be ready and positioned to pump out the next Governments agenda…..what ever that may be.
Ah, I see….. Sometimes I think I’m too innocent for this world ;-D
Don’t care if it stacks up or doesn’t stack up, FG are dead to me also labour, taxing animals, dictators, delusional, eu puppets, would not believe any of them no matter what they say
That was a stupid political response artical. It opens with a question and after a load of mumbo jumbo jargon still spectacularly fails to give an answer.
Duuuuuuh!!!!!ehhhhh cant understand uhhhhhh all the money words!!!!too ehhhhhh uhhhhh potato….
https://youtu.be/27UL3tZW1bk never forget
Sounds like the Dail Bar to me or the bog in it?
Nothing fg ever does stands up unless it’s cronyism, lies and quangos. Then all the stacks line up and fg make sure what’s in it for me works well.
Littleone “what’s in it for me”??
Do you live in a country where rich care about poor? What about poor caring about the rich?
BULL S,
It’s usually the so called poor that slag the so called rich about
(Con’t) the “what’s in it for me”. Attitude.
Newsflash get off your hole and do something for yourself.
FG to secure the recovery :)
Tommy . what the hell are you on about? Forget your pills today.
with no viable alternative FG are the only sensible option :)
Tommy keep your crap for the posters. Bloody idiot.
I’d rather SF and FF
Yep Tommy and pigs might fly.
Dont feed the troll condo, they love attention as does Dane Tyghe
Hows about you wipe your lips as they are cover in FG Dirt, oh sorry the staple diet of a FG troll is BS…
Ignore Tommy. He’s a Finer-bot.
Tommy you must be due a name change. ; )
Sean I like that…the new term for FG lowlifes…
How is that a newsflash Tom?
tommy macdonagh, you’re a grand bunch of lads :)
Kenny was afraid that if he started spouting economic jargon, he wouldn’t understand what Enda was saying.
I don’t thnk anybody in FG even knows what fiscal space is. Kennys excuse was he didn’t want to talk about stuff that people wouldn’t understand, and none of them want to appear on TV for debates, thats the only conclusion i can get from it. And i dunno who in their right mind would vote for a party that don’t want to debate important issues of the day in TV. Are we just expected to believe their soundbites? Surely they don’t expect to win the election on nothing more than faith of the people? If they can’t explain such things and appear competent on such issues on TV, then why should anybody vote for them?
So….Kenny thinks we’re all stupid……like him?
Everything you need to know about the fiscal space and its credibility….
FG claimed it was 12 billion
When that figure was roundly and rightly ridiculed by all and sundry, it magically became 10.1 billion, despite the fact that the metrics didn’t change.
They won’t even acknowledge the DOF estimate, the figure from the people whose calculations they used to run the state for the last 5 years.
So much for the ‘stability’ mantra.
FG putting creating thousands of jobs per week and that is the best you can come up with, you are slipping shinnerbot
Just so everyone knows this is the subnormal moron Dane Tyghe…Hows the driving school going..
https://www.facebook.com/dane.tyghe.1?fref=ts
Shall we publish your IP address and location for you and also the other FG Trolls with multiple accounts and show that your pretty much posting from the same location…In your case Wexford
The latest poll figures on Fine Gael are very encouraging. They Never have, or Never will, be re-elected by us. We are NOT Tories !!!!!
What plan, 7 of our last 8 budgets were done for us by the German government with the last being inspected by the ECB, THAT is because we use the Euro but do not own it therefore any financial plan has to be drawn up by the ECB. Remember Merkel brought in austerity and this government never said a word against it because they knew their place…
“Croke Park will host the Asia Pacific Ireland Business Forum on Friday next July 13 and Taoiseach Enda Kenny will be the key note speaker at this event.
Entitled ‘Asia Now – Maximising Current Business Opportunities for Irish Companies’ the forum provides an unrivalled network for Irish companies doing business in Asia.
Last year’s event, which was also held at Croke Park, attracted more than 300 delegates and was addressed by An Tanáiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs and Trade Eamon Gilmore. The forum has since paid special attention on informing Irish businesses about opportunities in Asia.
This event is of particular interest to those looking to expand their business activities in Asia or those looking to explore opportunities in Asian tourism.
The work of the forum has used the GAA’s network of clubs and business contacts both in the Gulf Region and Asia and forms part of the Annual Asian Games weekend.”
http://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/daily-news/1/0607121657-croke-parkto-host-asia-pacific-ireland-business-forum/
That site was removed but yet we have the following one still and they talk about jobs and the economy while trying to create unemployment here at the same time…
https://www.dfa.ie/news-and-media/speeches/speeches-archive/2015/july/min-urges-businesses-to-seek-asia-opportunities/
Whatever happened to that Chinese business park in tipp?
What park?
Tayto.
Here Micheal…always worth a giggle… http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/337acre-chinatown-hub-comes-to-athlone-26848974.html
It has a touch of the Lowry casino about it.
Al, That looks very weird now… Makes you wonder if it was an April the First joke?
Ye should have stuck to teahing lads (kenny and noonan). Ye won the last election because it was a walkover, there was no competition. Now, there’s some competition, ye are folding, being exposed for being whoefully incompetent.
there is an elephant in the room when it comes to state finances……….fair play to ming for constantly bringing it up. https://www.facebook.com/Lukemingflanagan/videos/939532642790719/
god knows FF FG LAB etc will not.
There’s a lot of fiscal space where Noonan’s brain should be.
Nasty Noonan is taking the LPT out of Medical Expenses Refunds … Med1s.
Eeny,meeny,miny,mo,catch MICK Noonan by the toe, & if he sqealls, don’t let him go!
I would like to know where this fiscal space is too, ‘cos that’s probably where the LPT, USC, Pension levies, Health insurance levies, are gone. At least what’s left after Ministerial & TD severances!
What Fine Gael are most worried about at the moment is the looming election; and so would I in their shoes.
The ominous fact that they have NEVER, EVER been re-elected by the Irish people tends to sink in around this time
NEVER in their entire history have we given them a second term to apply their TORY policies. Basically because the majority of Irish people are NOT Tories. The only times Fine Gael were in power, was by default.
There is a lot of empty space between endas lugs.
Yuk. Plenty space in Noonan’s gob. Could the journal not get a more unflattering picture of our esteemed money man.
I know slightly off topic but will there be a story soon on this? :
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/finance-minister-michael-noonan-admits-he-knew-about-foster-home-abuse-allegations-twenty-years-ago-34423839.html
Les,Hugh is doing a feature on how Noonan knew about the abuse 20 years ago,when he runs out of anti Sinn Fein copy and paste stories.
Seriously.. ‘It wasn’t my fault, it was Austin Currie’. Yeah…
This ha ha Fiscal space is dependent on so many risky variables over the next five years that the least hiccup in world issues will knock it for six.
What if, for instance, oil prices were to increase ? Or USA and UK economies were to take a dip ? Or currency exchanges were to drop against the Euro ? ( all of these factors are the reason why our economy is doing well at the moment – NOT Fine Gael’s management, as they would have us believe. )
Or, if a Middle East squabble were to develop ????
Watch this Fiscal Space…
FG and lies… Now I can believe that…
Fiscal space, more like outer space
If bell Enda needed to count to 21 he have to get naked. Starting with his fingers then his toes and finally where his brain is. In his knob
Fine Gael ” Keep the coverup going ” #GE
Will people be coming home to vote, as many did for the gay marriage referendum?
I think fiscal space must be the gap between pudEnda’s ears!
Michael Noonan is an absolute bluffer. Fiscal space is a phrase which can mean pretty much anything depending on the context it’s used in. Enda was caught out ( yet again) which is par for the course. I’d love to see Noonan debate his fiscal space with Max Keiser live – he’d be destroyed in minutes. FG are lying to the people of Ireland yet again – vote them out folks for the good of the country.
Never assume. It makes an ass out of u n me
Hey Dane have you a mulitple personality disorder…or is it Tommy
https://www.facebook.com/dane.tyghe.1?fref=ts
Hows the driving school going, FG Lowlife Subnormal Troll…
https://twitter.com/danetyghe?lang=en
https://twitter.com/danetyghe1
He has two under his own name for starters, What a Numpty, lol
lol….He actually believes any ol’shite that FG dish out….guess he doesn’t understand how propaganda works on the weak of mind.
Hey his Nazi gods in Germany did the same thing in the 30′s and 40′s with weak mined C you next tuesdays…
So he is the face of the Robert Trump, Enda Kenny, Thomas Mac Donagh and countless other accounts on here? What an embarassment to the FG party. Never been so against FG still I started reading the comments section on here
I dont know if I feel anger or sorry towards all the people who actually believed there was a difference between tweedle dee and tweedle dum .They must be in a state of panic now wondering what will become of their beloved parties. I just hope it awakens a lot of people up to whats been going on the last 90 years.
Enda de Clown. Kept in hiding from leader debates and scrutiny by his own party.
He claims that he was not told of the invitation to appear on RTE…..the person that sorts his diary doesn’t think any request from the national broadcaster is of any importance….which means either they are not worth the money above the paycap or they are worth it because they know he would make an ass of himself.
You choose!
http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/kenny-i-was-not-told-of-rte-interview-invite-719055.html
“You will see enough of me, maybe too much over the next couple of weeks, believe me” Livin in the past there Kenny..
So he was the only one who didn’t know, how is that possible??? It is not.
Stack it any way you like but FG will get no vote from me.
Some serious optimism built into those projections. I would be surprised if Fine Gael’s economic plans do actually stack up. That said, I’m suspicious of those of other parties too. Don’t trust any of them.
Plenty of fiscal space between Edna’s ears
FG want to create a rainy day fund. ie: they’re trying to give an excuse not to cut taxes for the hard pressed taxpayers, they want to hold onto the money for themselves so that when they do eff up again, they’ll be able to cover up their own horrendous mistakes. The best thing they could do is to cut taxes, because the odds are they’ll waste it, and there’s no point in spending it on public services because they’re not capable of delivering on satisfactory services.
Fs is the new five point plan you’ll never hear of again after 26 feb
Hopefully when they are forced to go into government with FF to keep the loonies and IRA out, their fiscal plans will be balanced better.
Love it. Personally, I’ll only be voting for one person in this election but I’m so feckin’ happy to see that you’re so scared of the ‘loonies and IRA’ now that you’d support Mr Burns and Mr Snrub finally revealing they’re the same greedy gombeen.
Of course I’m scared of them. They are dangerous
FG need the IRA more than SF do.
Hilarious.
There’s nothing I’d like to see more than a merging of Fine Fianna Failures. One less pack of predators to worry about.
You’ll be happy so when they form the next government
I said I’d like to see them merging… I didn’t say I’d be happy for them to have power. FG and L formed a “government” arguably without merging at all so your logic remains nonsensical.
Ah the retort off a FG troll :
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You Tories west brit idiots are so boring
Fiscal space = fortune telling
in FG’ s case its Wishful thinking
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
Joseph Goebbels
Take note when the FG ministers start every discussion endlessly repeating the FG mantra
a good example is the young buck Simon Harris.
remember the quote
…If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it……
All parties talk rubbish without exception and I think everyone realises that. While certaintly not perfect in governement Fine Gael have mended a dying economy.The biopharma sector which I and thousands of others work is booming at the moment and deleverd under a Fine Gael government. I know who I will be voting for.
In otherwords ‘ Fukc you , I’m all right Jack “
It’s tommy..
Do you only do the driving lessons at the weekend then, Dane?
The problem is …there is only fiscal space between Enda Kenny’s ears…..
P.S. Traditional FG voters – a vote for Fine Gael is a vote for Labour’s abortion policy. Why vote for a leader who implements the policies of other parties?
Can’t wait until they knock on my door, by god it’s going to be interesting.
So its not just fg that say there is fiscal space of billions but there actually isn’t a penny of riggle room, estimates of what could happen but it’s not really a promise!
Does Fine Gael’s shiny new economic plan actually stack up?
What economic plan, the German government did 7 out of 8 of our budgets and the ECB inspected the last one saying that they will have to undo most of it at the next budget…
We are too stupid to understand is that right Enda
Suggestion regarding unwanted canvassers
When pro goverment canvassers call looking for your vote
can I suggest you ask them to explain what is
FISCAL SPACE all about ?
This will irritate them as nobody knows but on the other hand
their discomfiture will amuse you a little and waste their time.
Mr.Kenny sir where is your 5 point plan or had I missed it and and Mr. Kenny what happened too all the promises you made last time. Yours truly, Paddy.
My fiscal space is €10 per month . What’s yours Michael noonan
Where are all the closet FG posters tonight? Forgot, they only comment on sf articles.
Kenny would at this stage sell his mother to create his legacy dream of the first Fine Gael Taoisech to be re elected. Be careful of their lies.
FG will eliminate USC, ” as part of an overall restructuring of the tax system”
Always study the small print t&c’s!
From previous experience with the pension levy, stated to be temporary but actually lifetime cuts to many non public pensions, (including for persons yet to retire), this USC item actually means that it will be collected under other subterfuge,stealth, taxes.
I won’t be codded twice!
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