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AS HUNDREDS CONTINUE to queue outside the RDS to gain entry to the Working Abroad Expo, organisers have had to close the door to those without tickets.
Thousands of people are attending the exhibition searching for opportunities not available to them in Ireland. Eighty companies are recruiting at the event but advice on visas and other aspects of emigration is also available.
Jobseekers have been persuaded to attend the expo by reports of attractive employment packages in countries suffering from skills shortages. In particular, there are a number of employers from Canada and Australia who have taken up stands.
Just some of the jobs on offer include physicians positions in Canada which come with a promise of $500,000 earnings and $55,000 in assistance to “get settled”, as well as a house and a car.
Charlie Melia, a business consultant for a company recruiting such doctors for Canada, told TheJournal.ie that the companies are delighted with the crowds that have flocked to the RDS.
“The company I work for got about 150 CVs yesterday and will be delighted to receive the same today,” he said.
It is understood that because of the unprecedented demand for entry, a second day may be added to the event’s Cork programme next week. There are also rumours floating around the RDS that some companies may return to the Dublin venue tomorrow.
The exhibition opened one hour earlier this morning and is to close at 6pm – an hour later than scheduled – in attempts to allow more people access.
At the RDS, there are also queues of people lining up to speak to employers at each booth. More than 5,000 people attended the event yesterday.
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and just look at the deafening silence from their own….not a whisper from UAE, Qatar, (two of the wealthiest states on the planet) Saudi Arabia< Bahrain, Oman,,, one must ask why??
I wonder why are they not going too those countries ? they would have religious beliefs, cultural beliefs, speak the same language. why too perceived Christian Europe are these people are travelling in their thousands ???.
Typical “quick, look over there, what about them” argument
who,s arguing?, why ARE there own culture,S shunning them???,,,its just a question, and Yes Alan, I would ask, “quick, look over there, what about them”?…OUR OWN HOMELESS AND DESTITUTE!!!!
Tony they are not all coming to Europe that is just fear lingering media propaganda approx 85-90% of Syrian refugees have gone to the countries that border Syria not to Europe. We are obsessed with the numbers of migrants coming to Europe but the numbers are tiny when compared to the actual number of people displaced due to conflict in their own country.
Ricky, true, but your point fails to pander to the paranoia of a deluge of migrants from Europe.
Migrants into Europe
Ricky, you are talking codswallop, Syria is surrounded by Turkey (who are NOT taking any) ,Iraq & Iran, (dont kid yourself), Lebanon and Israel, ( yeah get real!!), , those migrants that your suggesting are ones that have made it to other countries (Libya egypt Etc), these same countries are turning a blind eye whilst they are put on boats to Europe,
John it is not codswallop. The information comes directly from the charities providing aid to the Syrian refugees.., you know the people actually there on the ground! Just because it doesn’t fit with your views doesn’t mean it’s not true. Maybe try listening to people other than sky news you might learn something.
Ricky, i will if you give me the link to them!!,
Yeah John, Turkey are NOT taking any. Good man. Do you actually do any research or do you just spout shite off the top of your head?
@john kavanagh. Hahaha turkey are not taking any. Why comment if you have no idea about the situation. Turkey has taken the vast majority of syrian refugees. A huge number. Maybe read up next time before you comment
http://www.migrationpolicy.org/research/syrian-refugees-turkey-long-road-ahead
While the rabidly bigoted irish are on here making a show of us, the icelanders are doing this:
http://time.com/4018241/iceland-syria-refugees/
Here are the actual unhcr figures:
Turkey 1.8 milllion
Lebanon 1.1million
Jordan 629k
Iraq 249k
Egypt 132k
Germany 98k
Sweden 64k
Serbia 50k
IRELAND 110.
great to see we are doing our fair share to help these people.
@Tony. Perhaps the fact that they are not going to Saudi is an indication that they don’t feel it’s culturally similar. Maybe they are fleeing because they no longer wish to be oppressed. Syria, as far as I’m aware, was much more relaxed. Women were treated more equally and was nothing like Syria
1. They are not migrants, they are refugees. They are not leaving for work, they are leaving to escape death. The same people that complain about media blackouts over Irish Water etc claiming it’s DOB have no issue with the narrative about refugees being changed to make them seem like they are transient workers.
2. Why, if fleeing ISIS, would you go to Saudi Arabia? Saudi Arabia is basically the most successful form of ISIS on the planet, so successful they spent 80 billion on US arms in 2012. It is a highly organised oppressive and fanatical state. It would be like fleeing from your bully by begging protection from the mafia.
That’s not accurate. that’s only Struan refugees. Ireland took 4500 asylum cases last yr. on average it works out at 30000euro in legal fees per case. so last year’s refugee numbers will cost us 120 million. that would go along way to solving homelessness. oh and hidden revolt, pay your water charges if you’re that passionate about the refugees because the government will need plenty of money to cater for them
120 million is €24 per person per year. Or 2 quid a month. Or 50 cent a week. I’m happy to not but half a bag of Taytos and spend it on this instead.
John kavanagh people always saying why don’t they go to Saudi and Oman etc, I think it’s pretty obvious why, these places are total s%!tholes where women have no rights and foreigners are treated like dirt. I wouldn’t want to live there with my family either and I doubt you’d want to either.
so you would be happy for the government to impose a new tax for this? A struggling family if four should have to pay an extra 96e a yr because of Europe’s Inaction and to make lawyers richer. your mathematics is juvenile and shows your ignorance to the people of Ireland.
@CA this article and my comments were about the syrian refugee crisis so of course i quoted the amount of syrian refugees. Even if we take your figure of 4500 refugees in total we are still way below the average europian intake of syrian refugees let alone all refugees.
Water charges are a completely seperate issue and i have no problem paying for my water if it had been set up properly and not the shambles that is irish water but that is a debate for another thread.
Would i be willing to pay 100 euro a year to give people a chance to escape tyranny. Absolutely and more if it was needed. I want to teach my kids that giving up things for the sake of those more in need and to respect all people of all races equally is a good way to live your life.
and where does it stop? If we double or triple the number next yr, is it ok to impose the burden on the tax payer? This is the legal fee alone, not taking into consideration housing and medical. I think this madness needs to stop. A mockery is being made of our visa system and normal legal channels of entry to the country. my point about iw is, you can’t be as compassionate about double paying for water on one article then expect other people to accept that you would happily sacrifice hundreds a yr to help others. teach your kids by all means the great values but dont expect the taxpayer to pay for your beliefs. We don’t live in a utopian world.
“A struggling family if four should have to pay an extra 96e a yr because of Europe’s Inaction and to make lawyers richer. your mathematics is juvenile and shows your ignorance to the people of Ireland.”
I’d happily pay it to save someones life. 96 quid is a small price to pay to offer another human being diginity, refuge and mostly importantly the chance to live. What kind of person are you? You comments are beyond vile, they are disgusting.
How are the maths juvenile? They are extracted from your simplistic maths.
“dont expect the taxpayer to pay for your beliefs”. You are the worst example of a person. Keep pumping that iron, probably makes you think about you even more.
“Pretending to be concerned about Ireland’s homeless people is a great way to not look racist when complaining about immigrants”. Nice comment for the Rubberbandits.
3 million Syrian refugees are spread over Syria’s immediate neighbours. Less than 150,000 seek asylum in Europe. http://syrianrefugees.eu/
Daniel, the main logic you should understand from The Journal comment section is that it is populated with morons. They don’t educate themselves properly, their main method of transport is the bandwagon.
to spread out he cost burden of the legal fees you accosted it across every man woman and child then compared it to half a bag of tayto. that’s juvenile and shows complete ignorance to the struggles of other. fair play john Smith.
@CA there is a huge difference between being unwilling to pay for and legitimise a company that was set up in a completely inadequate way by a badly run government and being willing to contribute to saving someones life. I hope you see the difference.
@john smyth i honestly give up when a comment that says “€96 is a small price to pay for someones chance to live” gets more down votes than up votes. I truly despair for this country.
Simple analogy. The maths is sound. 50 cent a week. I put it in simple terms for the simple to understand.
“complete ignorance to the struggles of other” Don’t make me laugh, you’d prefer not to pay a hundred quid a year, letting other humans not the same colour as you suffer. And I mean really suffer, as in death. You’re actually a horrible person.
Don’t despair HR, this site brings out the dregs.
Give us a break down of your sound maths John Smith please
Already have, Cholly said 120 million a year, divided by our population, then divided by 52 weeks. Then I halved the price of a pack of crisps to equal that amount. People want it simple here, but it’s far more complex. The people here don’t do complex, they do simple.
Yeah so your maths aren’t sound as the whole population do not pay taxes, only around 1.9 million people do, which is around €65 per paying population, or around €1.20 per week, back to school for you
That’s the legal fees alone!!! you still have to house, feed and educate asylum seekers. The problem is no one has a problem with the genuine 110 Syrian asylum seekers, it’s vast majority who aren’t genuine. you seem to be unable to see past this.
I’m hoping that the idiots on here are just the loud minority. I thank god that there are a few sane humans on here like Mary Ryan, John Smith and The Hidden Revolt. My best wishes to you and my middle finger to the inhumane lowlifes.
Mature Carmo, can’t win the argument so blanket insult everyone eh?
A question must be asked…and it not a nice on……..are we literally shipping a small army to europe amongst all the refugees/migrants?
If you were of a mind to like ISIL what better way to get many milliants into Europe, carying a child!!!
As we saw from the guy on the train, all you need is an AK47 plenty of ammo. (And no servicemen to save the day)
You never responded adequately to my argument below Jay, so yeah, I’ll get the boot in. Not that I need to as you are more than adequate at displaying your own bigotry and stupidity.
You seem to spend your time abusing people who disagree with you John I believe it’s called fascism the irony eh
Jason couldn’t win an argument with a plastic bag. I’m with Carmo, you people actually disgust me. And Jason has the cheek to think he’s got an intellect. Reading rag newspapers and buying into stereotyping is not an intellect.
Boeing, let me make it pretty simple then, mathematically. 1.9 million, roughly double the figure for your answer. But of course lets not forget VAT, that everyone pays, including kids buying Chipsticks. There are a myriad of taxes, so if anything you’re paying way less out of that 120 million. Nearly 4 billion was paid in corporate tax last year. How much of that do you pay?
Yes Alan, that’s exactly what fascism was, abusing people who disagree with you. Not a politcal structure based on a top down dictatorship. Nope, it was simply abusing people. You believe wrong Alan, and it’s not ironic. The level here is so low.
@John Kavanagh.— The Saudis and Qataris fund and control 1000,s of wahhabi mosques all over the free world where the refugihads will be appropriately prepped for the eventual big push to replace our democratic systems with Sharia Law.
Time for Europe and the West to wake up before catastrophy befalls us.
How’s life in Canada Pat?
Keep throwing out the insults John, they’re only going towards proving my point. I’ve remained nothing but respectful to you while disagreeing with your points while you and Carmo have continuously insulted me time and time again.
Carmo, I actually did respond to you. If you don’t accept the answers I provide then that is your choice however your constant need to insult those you disagree with is telling.
Iceland shows a humane and inclusive approach.
Human nature can be giving or it can be selfish.
It is our actions which define us.
Jason you did not answer me properly but skirted the question and re-articulated your original point. I submitted my question again below so please answer it.
These are not insults but, based on what you have revealed, accurate summations of your character. It’s not our problem if you don’t like what you are.
You can insult us if you want. Do-gooder, bleeding heart liberal etc. See they’re not really insults because the position we adopt is fundamentally humane.
@cholly appleseed
Well thank God we got the 110 GENUINE Syrian asylum seekers! Can’t imagine how Sweden and Germany are feeling with all those phonies they have.
Let me ask, if you had a relatively decent income and a house etc but you lived with the possibility of being attacked/having your house shelled/losing relatives every day, would you stay there? I know I wouldn’t! I would pack up and go along with the thousands of other sane people. And why would I give up a good thing of a house and an income in Syria and go on an overcrowded boat and risk my life if I wasn’t already in danger? You have to be deluded if you think people are moving over here just purely for economic gains. If anything, it is only the Eritreans who might be fleeing for those reasons and even at that I can’t imagine that they are all that safe in Eritrea considering the diseases that are rife in that country and the border tension with Sudan, Djibouti and Ethiopia.
Fundamentally flawed you mean. I’ve noticed that you and John are on the attack against every person who disagrees with letting every migrant banging on our doors in yet neither of you have actually proposed how you would see this policy implemented.
So I’ll put this to you. How do you propose how the EU should put up the 800,000 migrants Germany alone wants to accept this year without causing social and economic tensions?
Your justification for your crass and offensive nature, feeling the need to insult everyone who disagrees with you, is also quite laughable. You do no favours to yourself or your viewpoint when you accuse others of stupidity and racism and then dare to call it an accurate summation without any justification other than your disagreement with our points.
@John Smith…… What would be ‘moronic’ is non-Muslims contributing to the welfare of Muslims when Islamic doctrine forbids the giving of ‘ZAKAT/Muslim’ charity to non-Muslims.
ZAKAT!
—”. Zakah is an Islamic act of worship aimed at reducing and eradicating poverty within the Muslim community. The Prophet (peace be upon him) instructed Mu’adh ibn Jabal, whom he had appointed as Governor of Yemen, to call on people to believe in God’s oneness and in Muhammad’s message, and to offer the five daily prayers. He then said to him: “When they have accepted this, tell them that God has imposed on them the duty of zakah, which is taken from the rich among them and paid to their poor.” You note how the Prophet’s wording indicates that zakah should be paid to the poor in the Muslim community. This is how it was implemented in the early period of Islam, which indicates the proper model that should be followed in all Muslim communities.—”
http://www.aljazeerah.info/Islam/Islamic%20subjects/2004%20subjects/June/Can%20Zakah%20Be%20Paid%20to%20NonMusl
Boo hoo Jason. I find your attitude to refugees as crass and offensive, in the highest regard. You’ve zero argument, you being a migrant worker. You make no concrete, provable points. Let’s step this up, give me peer reviewed, written evidence of your points. By this I mean journals, academic papers, peer reviewed books, and I’ll do the same. I don’t care about your opinion, or that of the Daily Mail.
Pat, is it nightime in Canada? How’s the weather over there? Eat any maple syrup lately?
John, you’re well aware that these events are too fresh for peer reviewed material to be easily available. It will take time before this becomes available to the public.
The only thing I can do is provide statistics which are widely available at the moment. The European Commission released statistics which showed that 40,000 out of 100,000 applications for asylum were accepted in Germany last year with a further 10,000 of the 25,000 applications to the UK being accepted. In both countries the majority of asylum applications are being rejected.
Still waiting for you tell me which Irish culture is going to die because of immigrants, Emigrant Jason.
Fleeing ISIS indeed. They are fleeing “persecution” by Assad because they haven’t been allowed to undermine his elected government and turn Syria from a progressive and pluralist society into a medieval head-chopping Wahhabist disaster zone.
http://www.dw.com/en/no-difference-between-italy-and-assads-regime/a-18597053
“John, you’re well aware that these events are too fresh for peer reviewed material to be easily available. It will take time before this becomes available to the public”
In other words: “I can’t”.
Irish migration statistics for last year:
www .cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/er/pme/populationandmigrationestimatesapril2014/
Top arms importers globally (note Saudi Arabia and Iraq):
www .sipri.org/googlemaps/2015_of_at_top_20_imp_map.html
Top arms exporters (note America and Europe):
www .sipri.org/googlemaps/2015_of_at_top_20_exp_map.html
Worldwide displacement due to conflict (which is at an all time high):
www .unhcr.org/558193896.html
You can see where I’m going with this.
I never said we were committing cultural suicide ESY, merely pointed out that your accusations of racism against another commenter were based on a flawed understanding of the concept of race and culture.
Nice try at being smart and sarcastic but you failed on both counts.
Ok, so seeing as you know that it isn’t racist to talk about immigrants causing cultural suicide, you obviously know what ‘cultural suicide’ means. So you’re able to tell me which bits of Irish culture are going to be killed by the mere presence of immigrants in this country. So, please stop dodging the question, Emigrant Jason, and explain which bits of Irish culture are going to die because of immigrants.
He dodges all kinds of questions this one. All whilst sitting in a foreign country. Baffling. How he can’t see it is beyond me.
Again ESY, address that question to the commenter who made the claim. I merely pointed out that you were wrong for equating culture with race.
John, it’s easy to accuse someone of dodging questions when they have so many comments filled mostly with venomous insults and self-stroking bravado coming at them. To address your call for statistics, I’ll direct you to the recent Eurostat statistics which show that so far only 45% of all asylum applications in the 1st quarter of this year in the EU have resulted in any sort of favourable protected status being issued. No doubt this would be even less if these applications were being processed outside of the EU before entry into EU territory as was shown to be the case in Australia.
Unless you have a link there’s no point. Carry on with the excuses for debate if you want. I don’t see any worth in your ability to debate.
http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/Asylum_quarterly_report
First link on Google. I find it ironic that you question my ability to debate as I’m sure that in adjudicated debating competitions constantly labelling your opponent as “stupid” or a “racist” is immediate grounds for dismissal.
I refer you to your “American Thinker” reference. Debating contests are usually made up of somewhat equal opponents. I find your narrow viewpoint childish, therefore I prefer to be childish with you. It’s too easy to catch you out.
That was merely a quick copy-paste of a link I found on Google to quickly give you some background information on the situation here in the Netherlands. The truth is a lot of the changes including the enactment of ‘Inburgeringscursus’, the removal of grants for Muslims and the ban on the burka (albeit in another form later than planned) were all pushed forward to combat the failure of multiculturalism.
On the contrary I find your attempts to be demeaning and insulting catch you out more often. Your constant failures to misrepresent my comments and sources and repeated insults have done nothing for you or your standpoint. In fact you’ve contributed so little to the discussion beyond insults that I’m starting to wonder what you were actually even trying to contribute in the first place.
Like I’ve said though, keep insulting me without any cause.
“were all pushed forward to combat the failure of multiculturalism” in your opinion.
“That was merely a quick copy-paste of a link I found on Google”. This is why you lose, instead of indepth analysis you “copy and paste”.
My insulting isn’t really insulting, it’s saying back to you what you say. You find that insulting because what you say is insulting.
If the Dutch ban Irish people will you come home? Because that’s what your preaching, no to multiculturalism. Well, that’s what you preach some of the time, others you preach the opposite. A wishy washy, ill-informed analysis of a complex situation. But what gets my goat the most with you is the cheek of your argument as you sit in a foreign country surrounded by foreigners complaining about other foreigners. I’m sure there’s people in Europe that despise Irish immigrants, remember “no blacks, no dogs, no Irish” in the UK? I’m sure your a nice guy in some ways but you’ve truly dreadful beliefs. I feel sorry for you.
@John Smitjh. Life in Canada is Deteriorating! But your a Muslim John-so you will do OK.
—”UPDATE: Now there are least 12 other Canadians who have been denied subsidized housing in Toronto buildings because they are NOT MUSLIMS.
In other words, poor or elderly or disabled Canadians cannot get subsidized housing in buildings designated as “Muslim-Only,” even if there are vacant apartments.—”
—”The Rebel Right now, there are 91,000 people on the city’s waiting list, but only Muslims are allowed to live a particular building. It’s the first sharia ghetto in Canada, paid for by your tax dollars. CLICK HERE to SIGN OUR PETITION telling Mayor John Tory and City Council that publicly funded segregated housing has no place in Toronto!—”
http://www.barenakedislam.com/
I’m not a Muslim Pat! That’s okay Pat, it’s not the first time you’ve been wrong! Sorry Pat, Irish tax dollars come in Euro and they don’t pay for anything in Canada. I think you’re on the wrong site buddy, this one is based in Ireland. Old age catches us all.
Paid my fair share John doing a 60h week, 48 weeks per year, probably more than you paid and yet your math is still not correct as my 6, 5 and 2 year olds don’t shop for themselves. You stated that the 4.8 million population contribute to taxes paid which was mathematically wrong, take the walk of shame buddy you’re just making a show of yourself.
You don’t allow your kids to buy stuff in the shop on their own? They’ll grow up with no confidence. I stated 5 million, you can’t even get my errors right. Which is more pathetic? Anyways, I’m sure your kids will be proud of daddy spending €1.50 a week for them to help some other child stay alive. Kids generally kind.
Also if you’re working 60 hours a week aren’t you taking 20 hours off someone unemployed? That’s greedy, just do 40 so someone else can have a job.
@JohnSmith. Dual cit.haven paid lotsa tax in both Can.+Ir.Regret taxes going to pay for your refujihaders.
Do you work John Smith and are you Irish?
So you’re a migrant?!? Hahahahahhahahaha!!!! The irony of you people is breath taking.
Irish, working, tax paying. Living in Ireland. Not Canada. I’m happy you have the chance to live in two countries. I’m unhappy about your ignorance to others doing the same. You sly dog. I shall name you Hypo the dog. Short for hypocrite.
Affordable housing?
These are the chancer/scammers, I mean, immigrants, I mean migrants, I mean poor, poor refugees who simply must come here, be saved and will in turn save us evil whites from our evil civilisation and enrich us, anyone who wants to keep their country for their Irish people is an evil sinner racist and must be burnt at the stake:
Tents are not good enough for African migrants
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=30e_1440698507
Hmm, no poor teary women and kids, but we all know that is simply a lie and the idea that most of these “refugees” are well-fed healthy energetic young males is simply more racist lies and hate-mongering, prepare to be enriched.
@John Smith…… You didn’t answer my questions.Did I hit a complex or two? Do you work and are you Irish?
Me thinks your John Smith Beer avatar tells people quite a bit ’bout you pedigree. And your name-calling gives all away.
John
Canada is a European founded country. Regulated numbers of Europeans going to other European countries where the populations are from the same type of people and culture is not a problem and is not comparable to Africans and Asians coming here, especially in floods. Patrick O’Connor (gee how Irish and compatible with Ireland) is not changing our ancestral or cultural heritage, whereas Africans and Asians are. Your comparison is invalid.
A lot of these people are Christians Tony and are definitely not welcome in quite a lot of the middle eastern countries. We sponsored a Christian family from Iraq who had fled to Syria because of persecution in their homeland. In Syria they were in a refugee camp for 10 years before being allowed to leave for Canada. After they left, the refugee camp was attacked.
Here is the reality of who the majority of these economic opportunists are, this is the future you choose:
28 Years Later Trailer – Europe Invaded [2015]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ALxHupi8s0
The reason is very clear the Arab states have denied them any visas ! Full stop ! This started 4 years ago ! Not only that they stopped reknewing visas for those already here for years if they changed jobs in so trapping them in their jobs
They are not migrants. The Irish who freely go to Australia are migrants, these people are refugees from a war zone. They are human beings.
Colm
The vast majority are economic chancers, not refugees, that is the fact of the matter, no matter how much you want to claim the self-righteous label of fake goody humanitarian. Btw your support of this is allowing Irish people to be victims of a new source of 100% preventable crime from immigration. Blood on your hands Colm.
You are deluded beyond it being funny.
Welcoming unlimited migrants into Europe is like welcoming a time bomb and hoping it doesn’t explode.
Americans said the same thing about the Irish during the famine
We were given sanctuary there though.
@Alan
I think you will find that in 1845 the native American Indian didn’t care about a few Irish coming over on Coffin ships and the British Navy certainly didn’t patrol the Atlantic rescuing these ships either so I’m not sure what relevance your point is to today???????????
Given sanctuary? You’re having a laugh!
The reality is the Americans were very selective about the people they let in. There were extensive criteria to be fulfilled before you could enter America as an Irish immigrant. You needed to speak English, be physically young and fit, Passports and other documents needed to be in order and you needed to go through extensive medical tests for contagious diseases before you could be admitted into America. They even turned away young women who were pregnant (but admitted the husbands) as idle hands were unwanted hands.
Even then there were no hand-outs, you had to work hard for everything you acquired. That’s anything but sanctuary Mary.
Jason, no entry criteria applied in the US in post famine times. There were no national quots, no educational requirements, only temporary quarantine for cholera, typhus, TB and other diseases, if detected. While life was difficult for all poor immigrants into the U.S. and there was much exploitation, there was no system of barriers to entry.
Immigrants often end up energising moribund economies.
@Anthony
“Immigrants often end up energising moribund economies.”
Yep, the British economy is thriving in the security sector trying to locate and neutralise all the second generation immigrants that are hell bent on bringing Jihad to a country that welcomed their parents, brilliant idea you have there.
The only time the left love neo-liberal economics is when they say that it creates job opportunities for immigrants.
Then it is all aboard the race to the bottom.
Yeah I saw the movie The Titanic as well, brilliant wasn’t it. I tell you what, Let’s get all the Irish out of Germany, Australia, New Zealand, The USA, and Canada for a start. Let’s get them all shipped back to Ireland tomorrow. Then all the refugees or migrants can take their places in those countries. So your little Island will be nice and white and Irish and just as you want it. Then you can stand for election and become the new Enda Kenny.
wow Austrian citizens complicit in their own cultural suicide. Good luck to them and the Germans but I hope they don’t turn around and try to force the rest of us to accept this illegal invasion with open arms.
I refer you once again to the 1951 convention on refugees.
1951 Convention written 64 years ago which is totally unfit for purpose in 2015 given the current scale of the illegal invasion.
Gosh yeah, the convention only applies to SMALL numbers of NICE refugees from NICE countries, and certainly wasn’t intended to be a response to the horrors of mass displacement experienced in the 1940s. I’m always intrigued to hear what the alternative to a compassionate response might be…? Machine gun towers and minefields, something out of a zombie flick maybe?
You forgot flamethrowers….thier great ;)
Something written six and a half decades ago should not govern modern immigration policy for free and sovereign states. A nation that cannot control it’s borders is not a nation.
Ok, I’m going to try to frame this right….
First off, the 1951 convention on refugees is probably more fitting now than it has been in any decade since it’s inception.
Your suggestions are few and far between, but what I get the suggestion of is nothing more than the idea of wall everybody out of europe. This is completely unrealistic – and even if we go along with your assertion that the 1951 convention is unfit for purpose, it’s what is there now and is international law. You can’t ignore it’s existence.
When you mention “cultural suicide” it invokes certain perceptions of what your viewpoint is – moreso when you have made the effort to remain anonymous and comment so often in the same language. When people mention “cultural suicide” it always boggles me. I see nothing in that term except “we don’t want THEM here” – and the point extends no further, no solutions to the reality that are practical, a blank refusal to acknowledge international law and broad assumptions of who people are – to me, it’s nothing less than fear of difference.
The facts have been reported, but people still ignore them – the majority of those coming into italy and greece are refugees. The reasons they subject themselves to human traffickers include the slowness of the UNHCR system for applying. On Saturday I met an Iraqi man in Jordan – who just last week received news that he has been granted asylum in the US and will be headed there in 6 months. He’s been waiting for this for 10 years after the illegal 2003 invasion of Iraq.
THAT was an invasion. The refugee crisis isn’t.
I know several others who are waiting in the UNHCR system and in the mean time, can’t work and can only avail of the most basic of services. It’s widespread and along with the fact that foreign embassies will not accept asylum applications in host countries, an industry is created for traffickers.
If you like, you can keep taking the unrealistic and simplistic approach. But it completely ignores reality – and worse than that, it makes the issue about Europe only and not about all the other countries that should be stepping up and taking on some responsibility too.
Finished at 7 30 as well.
In time for the last sitting in Vienna’s restaurants.
A evening of activism for the idle rich.
if all of these countries inc our own were asked to vote on this decision, it would be a clear NO. We elected these lunatics then they make their own decisions, not ours. Some democracy we live in. We decide, not a few dozen self centred control freaks.
@John Lennox,
Just like our own “liberals”, you don’t see many migrants in Dalkey or Ballsbridge.
The left failed when it became a vehicle for the middle class.
John
The left failed when they became the thought-police and enforces of the super-rich.
This may sound naive ..but when and how will this ever stop ?.The more people that are let into Europe with no border controls and given asylum and I assume the same rights and benefits as European nationals,surly word filters back to these countries and the amount of people will get bigger and bigger. So how will it ever stop/finish? ..anyone ?
They are refugees not migrants. We all have a duty to look after people fleeing in terror.
sky news the other day Syrian refugee, ” no matter how many you give refugee to it will never stop until it is stopped in Iraq and Syria” in other words the tide will never stop as people see Europe as a soft touch and the longer Isis is left alone it gains power money and territory and the tide of refugees gets bigger and bigger and then when we finally go to war with Isis it will cost even more lives. there is a war coming there are upto 1,000 jihadi terrorists in Europe waiting to attack, this is political baldness in action.
@Mary Colette Ryan,
Give it a rest, how many migrants live on YOUR street?
Mary, a lot of research by even mainstream media is showing that many of these illegals are young graduates seeking economic advancement rather than terrified civilians fleeing persecution. We have no obligations to house people who want to come here solely to get better quality jobs as there is a fully legal channel for them to do so.
The desperate measures of the tragic people displaced as the threats of IS , by being the wrong sect of Muslim, by threats to life at home and by the fact that many fleeing previously had significant incomes and some family wealthy, shows that the people fleeing are seeking refuge, not just improved living standards.
I appreciate how few people in Ireland actually know what I’d happening in the Middle East. There are ferocious and cruel conflicts happening. People have a natural instinct to flee these conflicts and to protect their lives. Who would take the chances that they are taking in getting on these coffin boats unless they felt that they had no choice.
I don’t blame us, Irish people. We simply have no comprehension, no way of understanding what these unfirtunate human beings are facing and no way of relating this to our own stable experiences of life. You have to experience real threat to the lives of your own family to understand and to have a modicum of empathy. We Irish just don’t understand.
On a scale of 1 to Anthony Lang, how condescending are you?
What research?
from may, don’t see many women or children on these boats from the med sea
and theres more of that, all over the media. they’ve brought it all on themselves by leaving women and children behind. thats where the migrant vs refugee argument stems from.
So lets see the research, put up a link to it here please. Show me the source of your outlandish nazi like claims.
Colm
Either your argument is good enough that you don’t have to use the buzzword “nazi” to try to bolster reader sentiment to agree with you, or your argument is not valid or strong enough and you do have to resort to try to manipulate readers to agree with you through use of the “nazi” buzzword.
My argument is good enough. I told you back up your Nazi arguments. Nazi is not a buzzword, it’s a word that is at least 75 years old at this stage and has been around long before the ‘buzz’ came into fashion. Try to read an argument and respond to it intelligently without burying yourself in nonsensical replies that show up your ignorance on the situation. Would you prefer I use the expression Fascist like,? Now as clearly you didn’t understand what was said I will say it simply for you. Put up a link to back up your outlandish claims, Your claims appear to be fascist, Nazi like, those of the German socialist Party circa 1939. For your information circa, means around. You have not put up a link but responded with a red herring argument. (That means an argument that is misleading or distracting). It would seem, because you are unable to provide any proof or evidence, and because your claims are simply wrong, not at all factual, and without evidence, that you are an internet troll who gets off on stirring up resentment and hate and frankly it’s laughable. I doubt you can even speak Gaelic. I doubt you can play an Irish instrument or recount a story in Irish and I doubt your ability to play Gaelic football or Hurling. So I am not at all sure why you would to keep the ‘Irish pure’. I am of course judging your intelligence by the spurious arguments that you have made. Spurious means , false, fake fictitious, bogus. You can hide all you like behind your ridiculous name and ‘fascist like’ banner if you want. You are I believe, an elitist who doesn’t have the courage of his/her convictions to show your real name and your real face. You are in other words a coward, in my humble opinion. Unfortunately you have proved yourself incapable of solid reasoning and argument and I shall waste my time with you no longer.
Migrants and Refugees are not the same thing!! Migrants are those moving from country to country not necessarily escaping persecution. Refugees are protected under international law by the 1951 refugee convention. Once identified as a refugee, they are entitled to certain liberties. Accommodation, welfare etc and are not expelled back to their country of origin if there is a threat to their life. I was a migrant when I had to leave Ireland during the crash. I wasn’t a refugee!
These people are illegal immigrants up until the point they are granted asylum and declared refugees.
Well said. How could anyone refuse entry to parents who are desperate and terrorised enough to take to the seas in open boats or hide their children in a container truck. yes they are refugees and must be protected.
Not all are Mary, far from it. Quite a few are attempting to enter Europe simply for the economic benefit with little/no threat to their life at home. These illegal economic migrants are not our responsibility.
We really should be processing these cases in offshore locations like the Australians to, much easier to reject an economic migrant when they’re not already on European soil and less danger to the public (as Sweden is starting to learn).
Process people offshore? They’re people, not fking fish fingers.
I said process the cases, not the people which is common terminology. Nice attempt at deflection from the actual point raised there Carmo.
Alright, where are we going to process them offshore? Where do we have offshore sovereignty? This offshore processing would have to be done by the EU then I think. Given that you seem to want to decrease the numbers of refugees coming to ireland but we take a disproportionately lower number than say Germany or Sweden, would you be happy with parity in terms of refugee allocation for all EU countries?
In case you missed The Hidden Revolt’s post above here it is again:
Here are the actual unhcr figures:
Turkey 1.8 milllion
Lebanon 1.1million
Jordan 629k
Iraq 249k
Egypt 132k
Germany 98k
Sweden 64k
Serbia 50k
IRELAND 110.
Any figures for Iran, Saudi Arabia, UAE?
Carmo, how close are Turkey and Lebanon to this crisis compared to Ireland? If you want to be fair and balanced, why aren’t you including the likes of America or Japan in the figures as they are also developed countries far removed from the countries where these people are fleeing from?
“why aren’t you including the likes of America or Japan”
LMAO!!
Jason, if you want to be fully balanced the equation must also include the root cause of this refugee crisis, namely the US/UK led invasion of Iraq in 2003 and it’s aftermath. Or even the creation of the state of Israel in 1947 and thats aftermath. All these have led to where we are now, and all these were created by countries outside of the Middle East. They have a duty and a responsibility.
Ireland has a responsibility too, as we are humans, and they are humans, and they are dying by the thousands, and we are not. They are risking death by sea to escape death by maniacs, we get on a plane, fly to Sydney, meet up with the boys already there and go on the lash. They come to Europe and people like you want to “process” them “offshore”. They’re not meat, they are people. By your logic any illegal Irish in Oz should be in the same place as a refugee, being “processed”. And there’s plenty of illegal Irish all over the world.
Care to actually make a point ESY or is this about as much as you can muster?
Nah, laughing at insanely stupid questions like yours is enough for me, thanks.
The funniest part is Jason lives in Holland. Oh the irony. Get your ass back to your home country Jason, before you’re processed offshore.
Does he? Brilliant. I wonder if there’s any Dutch folks worrying about “cultural suicide” because their country is housing potato munching Paddies like Jason.
I know, and he’s a drain on their infrastructure too. Think about the damage his weight causes to train seats, footpaths, roads. And he’s taking Dutch peoples places in queues in restaurants. Not to mention the influence he’s having on their young folk. Disgusting, deport him.
migrants and refugees. when we see 90% of them coming in from the left i.e. libya, are male. we ask where the families are. Granted, Syrians are trying to get around Egypt, but where are the families?
Italy and France, not attractive to them in benefits obviously and we should pay blame with these countries, especially Italy. They were never too kind to their own people over the years anyway which is why many of them came here. Too enthralled in trying to make themselves look good.
Eritrea just a very very short boat ride from Saudi, yea Yemen is closer but Saudi should be taking most of them.
Rte, last week showed a syrian family here, one a family member waiting for more to join them. they were in a very nice house too, not direct provision. i wonder how long they were waiting to get that? not as long as our own you can be sure but you will be told, ‘there is absolutely no agenda, no preference on the housing list’ yea, pull the other one.
Good observation of my current circumstances, I was hoping one of you would bring it up. Here’s the difference between me and these illegals for those who actually have a problem with what I’m saying:
Entered the country legally
Work and contribute to the economy
Don’t claim any social benefits
Speak the local language and integrate into the local culture
Yet there are areas of this country which are no-go areas due to the sheer level of crime and anti-social behaviour. These areas are also conveniently host to majority non-ethnic populations. The majority of the prison population is non-ethnic. The ethnic Indonesian, Spanish and German populations have integrated into overall Dutch society and contributed positively to the development of Dutch culture. The ethnic Arab and African populations are struggling to integrate, creating a cultural divide here which is blatantly obvious for anyone to see.
This isn’t just in Holland. It’s plain to see in the UK, Germany and France as well.
Struggling to integrate because foreigners in the country come out with the type of things you say. There are rough spots in Dublin, do we process the Dubs that live there offshore? What you are talking about is ghettoisation, which is a failed policy. In Ireland the intergration thus far is much better.
“Work and contribute to the economy
Don’t claim any social benefits
Speak the local language and integrate into the local culture”
Can you say that all refugees do not do the same? By the nature of being a refugee they have to enter a country illegally. You’re a hypocrite mate.
Stand by your beliefs and return to Ireland. Keep all cultures pure.
“It’s plain to see in the UK, Germany and France as well.”
It’s plain to read in the Daily Mail you mean.
ah but we’re told thats because they’re not as educated or wait, hold on, didn’t they just tell us that those coming here were educated? if not educated, then get one. I’ve seen so many of them drop out of 3rd level opportunities here for all sorts of reasons. going around constantly trying to find problems with a system rather than focus on oneself is self destructive.
theres a very simple way of thinking amongst of a lot of non-nationals, that if someone here with experience, 3rd level education, in a job for say 10 years is earning more than themselves who have just started, its deemed racist, not fair etc. it just doesn’t register, even if it does, they won’t let it. they expect the same regardless. it just doesn’t work like that and its got nothing to do discrimination.
John, your obsession with playing the man rather than the argument put forward is making you look desperate at this stage. Keep going though, I’m enjoying watching you stretch the argument.
You argue that the failure to integrate is down to “ghettoisation” but you conveniently ignored the point where I mentioned that other ethnicities have managed to integrate just fine. To give an example, there are genuine problems here especially in hospitals where ethnic Arabs (mostly women) are unable to communicate in Dutch despite having lived here for more than 10 years.
A genuine refugee seeking safety may enter a country illegally as per the 1951 Geneva Convention but an economic migrant may not. More and more evidence is coming to light that significant groups of Syrian immigrants especially are economic migrants rather than genuine refugees. I moved due to economic reasons and, as such, followed the legal procedures in place to facilitate this. The Syrians posting on Facebook asking which countries are the softest touch on entry and which ones give the best social welfare or job prospects for recent secondary school graduates are not using the proper legal channels for entry, instead taking advantage of the EU’s policy of ‘every Syrian must be a refugee’.
What’s simple is you Paudi. There is never black and white, only shades of grey. You can’t say all people in the same village are the same so it’s hardly plausible you can of an entire country. That’s too simple. Simple way of thinking among non-nationals, racism at it’s true core.
I’m not desperate Jason, I’m using your logic against you. You want to blanket people so I’m doing that to you. There’s a muslim family living 4 doors up from me that integrate just fine. How do you explain that? If you where a foodstuff you’d be made by Birds Eye in the form of shaped potato, a waffle.
You’re both a racist, and an immigrant. The irony is beyond astounding.
Racists and immigrants: kind of sums up the irish apparently.
@Jason: You did not answer my questions on off shore processing which would be done by the EU, instead you deflected to Japan/USA? So do you care to answer me?
I could report you for that comment John as ‘racist’ is a very serious charge to make of someone without proof. Instead I wont in the hopes that it remains here for all to see the type of person you are. Attempting to shame those who disagree with you and then accusing them of racism when they refuse to back down says a lot about your character.
I’m honestly surprised that you get so personal over one person wanting to make sure that there are adequate checks on our borders to prevent those who only wish to flaunt the proper immigration channels while letting the genuine cases through.
Carmo, the most sense is to follow the Australian model which is to establish EU-led facilities in Libya and Turkey where these immigrants are starting their journey. Any ships stopped in the meantime or landing in Greece should be relocated to these facilities where EU staff can assess and address each case and bring those genuinely fleeing to Europe safely.
Oh come on! Yes there may be ghettos in other cities but there are areas of Ireland that could be considered ‘no go areas’ and they have nothing to do with different ethnicities! What about the gangs in Dublin? All the gangland murders that occur, they are not Arabs or Africans! They’re Irish!
And what about the Irish that went over to America that terrorised cities? People like Whitey Bulger and his gang in Boston? The Irish gangs in England? The Irish gangs in Ireland! We’re no angels when it comes to emmigration! There is always going to be crime and anti-social behaviour but we would have it anyway without the help of immigrants/refugees.
A
So you would be happy with Ireland getting the same rate of refugees from the middle east as Germany say, given that’s what offshore processing would entail?
Why do you abuse people for simply disagreeing with you, anyone with a different opinion is a racist or bigot. Where is your argument?
racism
ˈreɪsɪz(ə)m/Submit
noun
the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
“theories of racism”
prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one’s own race is superior.
“Entered the country legally
Work and contribute to the economy
Don’t claim any social benefits
Speak the local language and integrate into the local culture
Yet there are areas of this country which are no-go areas due to the sheer level of crime and anti-social behaviour. These areas are also conveniently host to majority non-ethnic populations. The majority of the prison population is non-ethnic. The ethnic Indonesian, Spanish and German populations have integrated into overall Dutch society and contributed positively to the development of Dutch culture. The ethnic Arab and African populations are struggling to integrate, creating a cultural divide here which is blatantly obvious for anyone to see”
What you said Jason, was racist. You claimed that race was the root of these causes making you racist. I should report you for racism. Read what you write first.
Why do these people abuse the character of refugees Alan? If they can give it should they not be able to take it? Someone has to stand up for these refugees, today it is me calling out ignorance.
People like Alan think racist is an insult like the N word or something.
No its an ideological stance that you choose to take. Here John has shown Jason is a racist, yet we’ll have people like Alan saying “god that’s terrible calling someone a racist”. No Alan, its terrible to be a racist.
@Jason. Again, So you would be happy with Ireland getting the same rate of refugees from the middle east as Germany say, given that’s what offshore processing would entail?
Carmo, I’ve stated repeatedly here and elsewhere that I would like to see genuine asylum seekers admitted so long as it remains economically sustainable, a proper plan is in place to facilitate cultural integration and checks have ensured that these are genuine and not economic migrants.
John, you inferred a racist undertone from my comments from what I said because you wanted it to be racist. I never said Africans and Middle-Eastern ethnic groups in the Netherlands struggle to integrate because of their race so nice try attempting to paint me as a racist. The reality is they fail to integrate due to cultural rather than racial differences. I would explain why but judging by your comment history I’ll presume that you’ll merely continue to accuse me of racism and possibly bigotry regardless of the answer I give.
A really bad attempt at backtracking. ” The reality is they fail to integrate due to cultural rather than racial differences”. You can’t just intertwine culture with race when you want. Like you said this earlier: ” The ethnic Arab and African populations are struggling to integrate”. Now ethnic Arabs and Africans are usually one race. I’m not accusing you Jason, I’m merely stating fact.
I’d love to know what your feeling is of the bad blood felt by many Australians towards the Irish for their drunken high jinx. Would you say all Irish are like that? Or would you feel that’s unfair?
And using logic Jason, would you say the people leaving Syria, Iraq and Libya are leaving because they can’t get a job in McDonalds, or that they leave given the fact that 230,000 have died in Syria alone?
Struggling to integrate because bleeding heart liberals insist that we must have multi-cultural societies and that the indigenous population needs to accept their culture, not the other way around. Will you be singing the same tune when there are “Sharia Law patrols” on our streets as there already are in Germany?
The level here drops and drops and drops. “But what about the muslamic ray guns?”
You mean like your really bad attempt at trying to paint your opposition as racist? It’s obvious from the comments that you post that you assume everyone who disagrees with you is either a racist or beneath your level of intelligence. In contrast you haven’t actually contributed anything to this thread except for redundant questions, falsifications and insults. The fact that you can’t even get ethnicity and race straight says everything really.
Here’s a little fun fact for you to digest, ethnicity and race are completely separate things. Race is a grouping of humans based on physical characteristics while ethnicity defines how groups are connected with one another based on common cultural, ancestral and linguistic traits. As you notice, I tried to clear this up for you as to what my point was referring without pointing out your basic misunderstanding of what a race and an ethnicity is but you accused me of backtracking.
Like I said though John, keep throwing out the insults. I’m actually getting a good laugh watching this.
Yes sharia law in Germany. Tell us more about your first hand experience of Islamic communities in Deutschland.
Nope Jason, I think you’re a racist beneath my level of intelligence. So what you’re saying the “Arab and African populations” come from different races? Come on now, lets not play silly beggars. You know what you’re saying, just trying to confuse it with semantics.
For the record, all you’ve given is opinion. If you want to open this to real debate start referencing facts. Lets see how far you get. You can put links to your evidence in your comments.
@Jason: having offshore processing centres in Libya and Syria is unrealistic, it would have to be done in Malta or somewhere geographically similar. Now the Dublin convention would have to be augmented to allow for this and fair distribution seems to be something we agree upon. You are getting into difficult sociological terrain in how you would manage integration but perhaps it could be done in a fair way. Now if you hold these sentiments, it seems fair enough, but there are probably finer details where we would probably disagree, I can only imagine!
Regarding race and ethnicity, they do conflate in the term ‘racism’, for instance Irish people are not a race but we have experienced racism. Now when someone says, “I don’t mind blacks but I hate Nigerians” is that not racist? I had a friend of mine experience racism from a black guy because he is mixed race, is that not racism? If I say, I hate muslims, am I not racist?
Carom, I hate to break it to you, but Islam is not a race. It is not the monolith that is depicted by much of the media, but the reality is that the more medieval branch is overly represented among those migrating to Europe.
Do you admit, John, that you have confused ethnicity and race? That doesn’t sound like someone who can label others “beneath my level of intelligence.”
Carmo, while application processing centres off-shore would be less practical than ones located on-shore (and I agree a centre in Syria would be highly unrealistic, hence why I suggested Turkey) it would make rejection of applications easier due to the fact that delivering the failed applicants to their point of departure would no longer be a concern. The main argument against delivering migrants back to Libya for example was down to Libya refusing to take back rejected migrants. Beyond that I think, minus the details, we have some common ground on the theory at least.
The problem you outlined there is that people often mix racism with the American English interpretation of the word bigotry. While racism is the irrational profiling or generalising of a race and is usually conducted in a negative way, American English bigotry is the same only against everything from nationalities to religions and even sexual orientations. It’s impossible to be racist against Muslims for example as they are not a race, however it is possible to be bigoted against Muslims as it is a religion. What Irish abroad have experienced, while we call it ‘racism’, is actually bigotry.
I admit you’re trying to blur the lines you’ve created for yourself. But I’m glad you’ve admitted your a bigot.
Keep the insults coming John, the more you insult me the more people see how hollow your ‘save the world’ attitude really is. It’s very hard to maintain the veil of a champion of society when you have to resort to personal insults in pretty much every comment.
Where’s the insult? You explained what a bigot was. Then I re-read everything you said and found you are a bigot.
You said this:
“While racism is the irrational profiling or generalising of a race and is usually conducted in a negative way, American English bigotry is the same only against everything from nationalities to religions and even sexual orientations”
But earlier you said this:
“The ethnic Arab and African populations are struggling to integrate”
And this:
“The reality is they fail to integrate due to cultural rather than racial differences”
And this:
” I mentioned that other ethnicities have managed to integrate just fine. To give an example, there are genuine problems here especially in hospitals where ethnic Arabs (mostly women) are unable to communicate in Dutch despite having lived here for more than 10 years”
All that fits your definition of bigotry, in that you are irrationally profiling and generalising. Would you not agree? Because you said all this, I’m merely saying it back to you. How can that be an insult?
Also, saving lives should be the attitude everyone has. If you don’t have it then, well, your part of the reason the world is such a sh*tty place at times.
I cannot be held responsible for your ignorance of the situation in the Netherlands. Bigotry is the irrational profiling of a group however everything that I have so far stated relating to multiculturalism in the Netherlands is backed up by fact. Therefore your accusations of bigotry and racism are unfounded and treading very close to defamation.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/08/netherlands_abandoning_multiculturalism.html
But you can be held responsible for your own ignorance.
Your reference includes people who are part of the American-Israeli Cooperative Enterprise, (a political think tank), the Chief Operating Officer of Schulze Global Investments, someone who has written Sharia versus Freedom: The Legacy of Islamic Totalitarianism, and many others. Hardly reputable. Their tagline includes: ” National security in all its dimensions — strategic, economic, diplomatic, and military — is emphasized. The right to exist and the survival of the State of Israel are of great importance to us”
Bit one sided, no? Try harder, this is an ideology based website, nothing grounded in two-sided facts.
John, I posted that link as a matter of convenience. I could have posted the actual Dutch news sites and their coverage of the changes however I’m confident you wouldn’t be able to understand the content. All of those changes have been implemented bar the ban on the burka. The burka was indirectly banned this year with a ban on all apparel which obscures the face on public transport and public buildings such as hospitals and schools.
Again I cannot be held responsible for your ignorance on the topic.
“John, I posted that link as a matter of convenience” followed by “I cannot be held responsible for your ignorance on the topic”. Lazy mate. A good debater never uses a “matter of convenience”.
The man who does nothing but insult the opposing side is giving debating tips? Priceless.
You never even replied to my links on immigration figures, global displacement, arms sales, etc. I’m down at your level Jason. When you’d like to rise higher I’m ready. For something a lot meatier. Oh, and calling you out for what you are isn’t a real insult, just a roundabout way of stating fact. With a bit of a dig to boot. But still fact. Like the bit where you proved yourself to be a bigot. Very funny too.
John
You said Jason was racist, according to your definition. Can you show where he claimed that race was the root cause of immigrants crime in countries where they are not native? Reporting facts btw is not racist.
John Smith
Even before mass-immigration there were small amounts of Europeans who lived in other European countries, they did so in very small numbers and because we were all European, from the same ancestral and cultural family tree, it did not destroy the host native people and their culture. There is no comparison with Europeans going to other European countries in such controllable numbers where they are racially and culturally of the same stock as the host people, and people then trying to compare that with totally different peoples and cultures such as Africans and Asians coming here, and also in such gigantic numbers, you are talking about the destruction of European peoples and cultures here.
Interview them did you Jason? Been to Syria? or Pakistan with the drone bombing ? Hanging around Palestine or Iraq lately? Seeing a few of ISIS guys in your streets have you ? Every human being on the planet is your responsibility, but of course you could have it your way, and we can just lock you up , beat the crap of you and force you to work as a male prostitute and no one will say anything because you won’t be anyone else’s responsibility. Off shore locations from Europe? Have you looked at a map lately? These people are fleeing the wars that European governments are fighting in Africa, and the middle east. Sure go and have a holiday on the Golan Heights I hear it’s lovely this time of year and relatively safe. Don’t worry about anything you see there, it won’t be your responsibility. You are shirker of humanity sir. Clearly you have not an iota of what is going on around you.
There is plenty of proof , you wrote it all down.
if austria and germany want commit cultural suicide ………….let them.
we already have a housing crisis here and a 2nd world health system, the open borders crowd would overload them. if say anything bad about multiculturalism or mass immigration you are labelled as racist or xenophobic and that tends to shut down the debate.
So what you’re saying is that this government and many before it have failed drastically in their obligations to Irish citizens – and somehow that is the fault of a family fleeing daily barrel bombing in Douma, rape and murder in Raqqa?
These problems are Irish problems and exist despite the fact that we have taken in relatively few refugees by any metric you care to measure this by.
As for “cultural suicide” – it’s a term that invokes a lot of suggestions as to the type of people who use the term. I notice you mention nothing about the reality of the situation, any suggestion of how to solve it or any reference to legalities which oblige nations in helping refugees…
So if you want to have a debate, let’s have it – don’t come along presuming that your position is going to be seen a certain way and throwing the toys out of the pram because you have made assumptions.
In this debate, you need to be able to say what you offer as an alternative – and to save some time on those suggestions there are some things you need to consider – like international law, facts and statistics – not just rhetoric.
If you don’t want to be called a racist, maybe stop talking about “cultural suicide”. It gives you away. It shows that what you’re really concerned about is too many brown people in your country.
How can you possibly deduct racism from talk of cultural suicide ESY? You do realise it’s possible for one race to have multiple cultures, right?
What does ‘cultural suicide’ actually mean? What culture is going to die?
ESY
Every ethnicity has a right to protect and preserve their ethnicity, if you deny them this you are a genocidalist, a person with the highest hate toward humanity.
I can see what I am up against with this comment. Here if you allow me, I will point out something to you. 1. Genocide is the mass murder of a human beings, usually an ethnic group. 2. Denying people their ethnicity, is impossible, they have it, they are born with it, it’s who you are. 3. By your argument you are in fact saying that everyone should be allowed to practice their cultural beliefs as they see fit and it’s wrong to prevent them , because in fact you would be a murderer. 4. So you are okay with the Hajib been worn in Dublin streets and mosques been built all over Ireland? Or have I completely lost you ………… In case you haven’t noticed, ‘your country’ has been sold out during a thing called Austerity, it’s now owned by the German Banks and Dennis O Brien. Do yourself a favour and read a few books before spouting your hate and fear against other human beings and contradicting yourself every 5 mins… Don’t do it for me, do it for yourself.
Colm
I said “Every ethnicity has a right to protect and preserve their ethnicity”
I also said “if people deny then this i.e this right.
I think the only thing you are up against is your inability to understand basic English comprehension.
You are not even able to read what you wrote. This is what you said Lady, ” Every ethnicity has a right to protect and preserve their ethnicity, if you deny them this you are a genocidalist, a person with the highest hate toward humanity.” Now let’s see who needs lessons in English comprehension. If you are such a master of the language go live in England.
Europe could take in the equivalent of it’s own population (500 million) and there would still be billions more trying to get in, stop this insanity now.
In a couple of years time the same Austrians, Germans will be out protesting again but with very different banners I assure you.
Exactly, while Germany and Austria are opening their borders countries with more sense like Bulgaria are reinforcing theirs.
Just need an Austrian to turn up in Germany and start marshaling the disenfranchised and we’re off again. Hyperbole? That’s what they said in the 1930s.
Allowing unlimited immigration into Europe is not a solution indeed it will accelerate the flow of people to our lands.
What needs to be addressed are the problems at the source – regime change and general manipulation of countries by external forces for gain.
And in the meantime?
Poor Germans, Austrians, racked by war guilt, brainwashed by liberalism I suppose cultural suicide was the only way out. Auf Wiedersehen Deutschland.
So a tiny minority of people marched and want to open our borders to illegals. Big deal. They probably haven’t a clue of the realities of the situation.
What is the point in having a defined migration process and system for asylum seekers if we are just going to let people in as part of a free for all
Fair play to counties like Hungary and Greece for actually attempting to police our borders. Shame on the Germans and their mass immigration agenda.
Greece have allowed the IMF to come in and take their pick of their assets. Now, they want them to house their mess while their ilk go about seizing other peoples assets such as oil. Greece should have a solid wall up and not let one of them in. Germany has absolutely zero right to be dictating. Yea, right off Greeks debt, right off ours, then we can take plenty. Merkel told us we were on our with the bank debt, well you’re on your own with this. Ye can well afford it.
*write
Shame on the Germans? You better be German mate or you’re committing the same kind of imposition of your ideals on another nation that you rail against
Try again Carmo. I’m not German, thankfully. Wouldn’t want to have an unnecessary guilt complex about the past and commit national suicide as a result. The German leadership only want cheap labour, there is no “good” intention behind any of this.
They don’t care about the rest of the EU once they are prosperous. So they will break the established regulations regarding asylum seekers and migrants because it suits them. Once they start handing out EU passports like free sweets we’ll see the real damage from their actions. Thankfully though the EU is on the way out. Its too weak and once members like the UK and Denmark make moves to leave, its game over.
But Sweden, the Uk and France are shining examples of how mass immigration improves a country…. look it up.
UK etc let in skilled migrants in controlled numbers Ronan, not 1000′s of undocumented people.
All this needs to be controlled somehow.
Darren
Actually it needs to be completely stopped, there were always wars, we never let this flood in before. Soon Europe will resemble the places they came from.
“The situation is slipping from our grasp,” he says about infamous enclaves Tensta and Rinkeby. “If we’re in pursuit of a vehicle, it can evade us by driving to certain neighborhoods where a lone patrol car simply cannot follow, because we’ll get pelted by rocks and even face riots. These are No-Go Zones. We simply can’t go there.”
http://swedenreport.org/2015/05/18/police-yes-there-are-no-go-zones-in-sweden/
Your country becoming someone elses – all thanks to the open-border extremists.
Wouldn’t happen here given we’re a best a country of mé feiners and at worst xenophobic.
Waiting for the wave of “it will dilute our national heritage” etc etc. No wonder there is a new party propagating Ireland for Irish only. Plenty of support out there for it.
Its nothing to do with diluting heritage or culture, its simply a fact that it is unsustainable at current numbers especially when Europes economy is incredibly fragile already.
The only cultural problem is many of these people are refusing to adapt or accept the difference in how liberal the vast majority of Europe is compared to where they have come from and that will again put a strain on countries economies through the security cost associated with it
Well MK76……..if 80,000 protesting in a small country like Ireland means nothing to you…..why would you worry about 20,000 protesters in a bigger country….why they must mean nothing at all.
When people protest about something that really matters, of I’ll be interested.
Didn’t realise the crowd at Croke Park were protesting last weekend btw. It’s only 80,000+ crowd that was out, followed by the 40,000 crowd at a rugby match, followed by Entitlement Ireland out shouting about €3 per week.
Lol Mk lamenting “entitlement Ireland” while lobbying to take in thousands of people who would feel entitled to free housing, healthcare, food and education.
Hi Rebel. These are people who have real problems…as in life and death, whereas as the “we couldn’t be arsed paying” brigade don’t even compare.
But I see from you other posts that your Ireland for the Irish stance is well entrenched, so falling on very xenophobic ears, I guess.
MK I am all for regulated and controlled legal immigration like they have in the US or Australia for instance. In terms of priorities I’d sooner pay for water for our citizens than cover housing, food, education and healthcare for illegals, would be a lot cheaper as well.
Even though your own citizens can afford to pay for their own water, but just feel too entitled to do so and these people have absolutely nothing?
Not surprised to hear that Rebel.
On top of paying for illegals housing, clothing, food and education we’d also have to pick up their tab for water as well.
You really have a lovely view of the world Rebel. Ireland for the Irish.
As said many times before MK76….we already pay…..unless you think people have been working without pay since the foundation of the state to bring water to your home.
Most if not all of these immigrants have the wherewithal to pay for their passage to Europe. It does appear like a certain percentage of them are economic migrants. By all means if people are genuinely in mortal danger they should be helped. However, in order to avoid problems down the road strict checks on identification and background should be conducted and a limit of time on their stay should be introduced so if the situation in their own country stabilises they can be returned.
We don’t hear much about those still trapped in the horrible scenarios who for reasons of poverty or deprivation are unable to make their way to safety. Who is representing their interests?
If all those calling for an open welcome for the refugees were to welcome some of them into their own homes it might go a long way to easing the situation!
they are all migrants until proven otherwise i.e. processed. the reason for that is because its a gateway for illegal entry and they well know it.
ah yeah, leave it wide open, let millions in, create a fine mess for everyone.
Surely we should welcome our fellow humans with open arms. They are running from terror and death. Would we not expect to be welcomed if we had to flee our own country? Are we so quick to forget even recent European history? surely WWII etc have taught us that sometimes people need to run for their lives as they have no other option
If I had to flee Ireland I wouldn’t travel all the way Asia,that’s for sure. It wouldn’t make any sense. kind of like what’s happening here.
Sonny, you say that as if Ireland has tons of refugees. It doesn’t – not by any metric has Ireland received any significant number of refugees.
When I said `here` I meant western europe,not specifically Ireland. When you look at the mess that is Direct Provision,Ireland is in no way capable of taking in anymore refugees. It’s not economically viable, especially when you look at our health system and housing crisis.
You put a position forward of travelling from Ireland to asia – the opposite of that trip is not what the majority are undertaking.
fair play to them and the thousands that showed their support in Germany at the weekend these people are fleeing some of the worst violence ever perpetrated on humans and most people want to sit back and do nothing.avoid them like the plauge. it’s wrong!!! what happened to helping our fellow man
We have laws that must be obeyed you cannot just try to barge your way in and demand the borders be opened you must follow the process and join the queue like everybody else. These strong arm tactics will do the illegals no favours.
You mean like the 1951 convention on refugees which you are intent on ignoring? You can’t have it both ways.
inb4>> “64 years old and not fit for purpose”
inb4>> “cultural suicide”
Tony, the 1951 convention only applies to genuine refugees with a genuine fear for their lives. Once a person is found to be an economic migrant (which a significant portion of those illegally entering Europe are) then the 1951 convention is no longer applicable.
Australia ensures they only allow genuine cases by directing all traffic, forcefully if needed, to off-shore processing centres where genuine cases can be allowed to proceed to Australia while economic migrants are turned away. The amount of ships attempting to reach Australia plummeted when this was implemented. I guarantee you the same would happen here if the EU implemented a similar procedure.
@Jason – can you point to any official source which contradicts the UN’s own numbers confirming that the majority of those coming to europe are genuine asylum seekers?
Now, people have pointed to australia as some kind of example – and if you look at a very limited amount of information it’s not unreasonable to think that. Australia is very much concentrated on “you’re not coming here” and displacing people, arguably in contravention of international law.
Here’s some numbers about how “well” australia does. http://www.smh.com.au/world/how-the-worlds-forcibly-displaced-add-up-20150813-giyg57
As for number of ships plummeting – perhaps they might but that doesn’t mean that it stops people.
You may have noticed that Australia is surrounded by large cross-water distances. History tells us that people change routes when some are blocked off. In Oz, the options are limited – in the med, far less so. There are also other land crossings also.
Don’t be disingenuous with the truth Tony, the UN has released no such figures. The only figures which the UN has released is the source of the immigrants and deducts from that what it wants to deduct. A migrant coming from Syria does not automatically mean they are fleeing persecution or danger as the recent videos and photographic evidence of the arrivals on the Greek islands demonstrates.
As for the numbers on Australia, I fail to see your point. The article you posted goes to great lengths to guilt-trip Australians into doing more but it doesn’t really say why Australia should change it’s approach. They don’t want to accept masses of illegal economic migrants and have put in place measures to stop this. I fail to see that as a problem as they obviously, according to the numbers, still accept genuine cases.
Well if you want to look at things through a lens that suits your position go ahead.
As for “Don’t be disingenuous with the truth Tony, the UN has released no such figures”
I’m sorry you appear to have missed it but they HAVE released such figures.
Of course, you might have to read something that you don’t want to accept in order to concede that so let me break it down:
“In the first half of 2015, 43,900 Syrians came to Europe’s shores – the single largest group by a considerable number, accounting for 34 per cent of all arrivals.”
“The second and third highest countries of origin were Eritrea and Afghanistan, accounting for 12 per cent and 11 per cent of maritime arrivals respectively.”
from: http://www.unhcr.org/5592bd059.html
34+12+11=57% accounting for just 3 points of origin.
I expect the next point will be relating to how many of these qualify for asylum. That’s in there too. 95% of Syrians, 89% of Eritreans and 63% of Afghans.
Feeding that back in – 32+11+6 leaves it at 49% for just these three countries alone. And this is rounding down on the percentages.
So it looks like it’s yourself who’s being disingenuous Jason.
Tony, I just explained to you why the UN figures are useless and yet you continue to peddle them. That is what we call being disingenuous.
The UN assumes that everyone coming from Syria is automatically a genuine asylum seeker. They ignore the fact that the majority of the land area of Syria is not currently undergoing active armed conflict and that the major population centres are still mostly secure under government control. They also ignore the evidence of Syrians publicly declaring their concern more for economic advantages rather than safety.
This is why we have an actual legal process to discern the real validity of a migrants claim as opposed to the UN’s “if you have a Syrian passport you must be a refugee” approach.
Ok, keep on spinning what is right in front of you.
I’m guessing that for some reason you have a notion that those living under assad are all safe and happy….
Of course Tony, poking holes in your obviously flawed statistics is “spinning”. Even though living under Assad’s regime isn’t exactly the most joyous experience in the world, it hardly fits the bill for genuine asylum. This would give half of Africa valid cause for asylum in Europe if this were the case.
Asylum is only for those in direct danger of persecution or death IE people living in the direct path of the conflict or Christians living under ISIS or Al Nursra.
financial refugees, that’s all and the EU is to blame for not stopping this in it’d tracks. European countries including Germany and the UK have massive housing, unemployment and health care problems these people will be adding to an overstretched system. when do we stop this mess when Europe is full and half the middle east and Africa empty?.
Did they buy train tickets
No, start as you mean to go on.
The Austrians werent also so ‘tolerant’.
Lovely human gesture of support for people suffering but were the Austrian pop songs really necessary??
#rockmeamadaeus
In German stadiuma at weekend they had signs welcoming immigrants to Germany. In Ireland we had loons with a no to paying for water banner
So…Governments should just cherry pick what their people want if it suits the Government agenda……otherwise ignore them. Bazs idea of democracy…..very much like FG’s.
Baz what has iw got to do with this topic?
Alright Chum. When did water become something you could cherry pick in life?
Baz I am not your chum and you are still off topic should you not be getting ready for school by the way?
Ray whatever your face – I am not talking to you ya thicko
Baz still off topic I see true to form.
In Germany a few groups of open border extremists are allowed display their German-genocide banners. In Germany the state stops any group from even opposing immigration, they are not allowed display banners saying no to immigration.
For goodness sake, we call them migrants, the governments classifies them as migrants the migrants call themselves migrants, when are we going to treat them as what they are Illegal migrants instead of treating them as asylum seekers.
Look at the reaction I and other commenters have received here and you’ll understand why. Those who wish to let these illegal immigrants enter Europe without any checks because it’s the ‘humane’ thing to do are quick to accuse anyone who disagrees with this of racism. It’s not politically correct to question someone over why they would want to enter because apparently it’s our ‘duty’ to help everyone regardless of the sincerity of the request or our economic means to actually help.
Keep worrying about the word racism and you’ll find yourself a stranger in your own country, surrounded by groups of people who look after their own interests not yours. Will they be as compassionate and as charitable as Europeans have been? Prepare for your country to become their country.
Ideally, we would take in lots of migrants/refugees but where would we house them? How would we handle them? Would we fingerprint and photograph each of them and issue an ID Card? What about language barriers and other cultural differences? Plan these things out carefully and then see about taking them in.
Otherwise, it’s just going to make their lives worse, not better.
They need to kick out all the chancer’s who who are found not to be genuine refugees and then we can room up for some real refugees. However they have to tell them( live by our laws or out you go again) No treating women like shite and no shaira law here. And lets be clear for majority its only asylum not indefinite When countries back to normal ( the majority must leave)
If NATO keep enacting regime change in countrys which are stable enabling the high school with guns to run it having individual turf wars on every street then sane minded people will flee tko countrys that were part of the NATO campaign to the destroy their country. Simple as it happens read a history book. You will have donkeys on here who would suggest they should go somewhere else not even bothering to find out the ticking timebombs that those neighbouring countries are ie Lebannon Yemen ect. The fact is for the bigots on here the safest place to go from tyranny is Europe. A think the fleeing people of these countrys will find they will be met by an even bigger arseholes than the ones they running from. In times like this the paddy who ran all over the world forgets his own history. For anyone who cares to find out and listen to what journalists on the ground and analysts are saying it would seem that some powers that be are knowingly causing a conflict between peoples of two different cultures for their own gain. Which is destabilization leading to the excuse of militarisation of the civilian population clamping down own freedom and civil liberty under the guise of protection. Sleepwalking the masses into another agenda of theirs. Create a crisis to usher in a new agenda a new reality just like they did with the financial crisis. It may take the willful gullible a while to figure it out and even after they do they will still deny for they have the mental capacity of a sheep hence the word sheeple. Play poker play chess teach your brain how to strategies in advance because the people at the top making the decisions are away head of ye basically just laughing and been amazed who stupid the masses have become. Wakey wakey time to come out of the self induced mind coma . It may just make things easier for all of us.
and its idiots who will help Nato, UN and the elite decision makers to carry this agenda through by falling for the sad imagery, for which it is, we would love to help them all but… 2 things here, we can’t sustain it but most importantly of all, we don’t want to be part of their game to destabilise nations. Go ahead, fall for it, make them happy.
Not many of us have any idea what fleeing means, how many of us ever really had to uproot our families and leave our homes? Some of the comments remind me of the old nugget ‘united Ireland’ debate. Strange that the words echo, ‘Imagine there’s no country, it isn’t hard to do, nothing to kill or die for’. If we all washed up on a desert island, we would be looking out for each other. We all live here, the only culture we should be saving is humanity.
@Martina Jones,
Didn’t John Lennon write that song in his Surrey mansion?
(and I love the Beatles)
Yes, he did. Didn’t claim they were mine, I wish!
And you and I are writing on our phones/tablets….
@Martina Jones,
You missed my point by a mile.
John wrote “imagine no possessions” in that mansion.
Doesn’t make the words less powerful Eamon. Some of the most powerful speeches were written from a position of privilege, and they shaped the world.
Actually Martina, psychologists have shown through research that humans tend to prioritise supporting ‘their own’ over others in times of desperation. People are statistically more likely to help individuals of their own race or culture first before helping those of others.
While it is morally admirable to help everyone, it is economically and socially impractical. The ‘we’re all one’ attitude ignores obvious social differences which in certain cases can be irreconcilable as well as the obvious economic impracticalities of providing for hundreds of thousands of individuals in such a short timeframe. You can’t just pick up a Syrian off a boat, throw them into a house in Sweden and pat yourself on the back for a job well done. It isn’t that easy and nobody who’s saying we should help is offering practical solutions.
@Martina Jones,
Don’t get me wrong, I’m a huge fan of his.
@Jason Culligan,
Correct, it’s hard wired into us.
Who would put a stranger before their own children?
Martina
You’ll have an idea of what fleeing is when you begin to be a minority in this country, or perhaps go and get a taste of the fantastic enriched no-go areas in Europe. You really have no idea of what you are letting happen in Europe, naive self-righteous gobshytes.
THE GREAT EUROPEAN GENOCIDE PROJECT
It is clear now that the EU politicians saw that the people of Europe were finally shrugging off the guilt-trip of the “racism” emotional blackmail word, and were rising up against multiculturalism and mass-immigration scam. Panicking that their social engineering project to artificially destroy the European ethnicities and replace the European populations, they decided the best way to carry out their plans before the European people finally put a stop to them was to simply present the scam idea of “refugees” and open up all our gates, whereupon once the word got out to Africa and Asia, that our gates were fully open and our treacherous politicians were welcoming them in, then they know a flood would happen, and the great population replacement would happen unhindered.
Time for European people to resist this invasion scam or die.
One question on the immigrant crisis that is missing. If they are refused refugee status, as many should be, then where are they going to be sent back too? Its forbidden to send asylum applicants back to a country that’s unsafe! So any one of them, regardless of how many, who they are, or how they got into Europe; can travel freely through the EU, chose where to try and then they get to stay for certain. This is not an asylum policy according to any law or piece of worked out legalisation; this is a surrender of sovereignty and sustainability. This as madness.
Irish ethnicity has a right to preserve and protect their ethnicity, would any of the immigration-pushers ever oppose any African ethnicity or Asian ethnicity in protecting their territory for their people?
Do these open-border extremists oppose the right of Nigerians, or Zulus, or Amazon Indians, or Tibetans, or Palestinians to exclusively have their own ethnic homeland and territory? No, they only protest white people or Europeans in having their own territory, these are the real haters forcing us to change the way we live and forcing us to destroy our ethnicity. These are the people of hate and inhumanity, not people who protect their own ethnicity and identity.
Dear the Journal.ie, can you please check your website has not been hacked. This story here, from May, would show from the comments, that the racists and ignorants are getting major thumbs down.. http://www.thejournal.ie/readme/africa-day-niwel-tsumbu-musician-2109926-May2015/, however 3 months later the same people are getting massive numbers of thumbs up on this story. http://www.thejournal.ie/street-protest-vienna-migrants-2303884-Sep2015/#respond . Can you explain what has happened in Ireland in the last 3 months to generate such a swing of public opinion , or is just the nasty guys using lots of different computers and giving the way off comments the thumbs up?
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