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Dáil votes for Ireland to join Pesco EU military defence pact

The motion was passed by 75 votes to 42 and was supported by Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael.

THE DÁIL HAS voted to approve Ireland’s participation in Pesco – the EU’s permanent structured cooperation arrangement.

The motion was passed by 75 votes to 42. Both Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael backed the motion.

TDs from numerous political parties recently raised concerns about the government trying to “ram” through a vote on Ireland joining the defence pact.

The plan raised concerns here that it could undermine Ireland’s policy of neutrality.

Some argue Pesco is the first step towards an EU army, with its proposals including inclusion in the European command centre, a network of logistic hubs across Europe and a creation of a European crisis response centre, as well as the joint training of military officers.

A heated debated on the issue kicked off earlier this week with news the government had planned a vote on the issue this week.

The government argued it must sign-up to the deal before an EU Council meeting of defence ministers taking place on 11 December.

However, parties such as Labour argued that this was not necessary and asked for the vote to be pushed back to 2018 so as to allow sufficient time to have a public debate on the issue and for the Oireachtas Defence Committee to have the opportunity to hear submissions from independent experts.

Wexford TD Mick Wallace said he was astonished at the video Europe is using to promote Pesco and was even more shocked that a small country like Ireland would consider signing up to it.

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Meanwhile Solidarity-PBP member Richard Boyd Barrett accused the government of pulling a “fast one” with the vote today.

He said his party are considering taking a constitutional challenge against the government plan.

He said the government’s response to his criticisms were “the most cynical rubbish” he had ever heard. The Dun Laoghaire TD said this was exactly the move the Irish people were afraid of when they voted down the Lisbon Treaty the first time around.

He pointed to the European Commission’s own fact sheet on Pesco which states the difference between Pesco and other forms of cooperation is the “binding nature” of the commitments undertaken by participating member states.

The Taoiseach Leo Varadkar defended the government’s position stating that he wants Ireland to be involved in Pesco.

He said it is time that Europe stops relying on the US for its defence.

My view is that a Europe that is worth building is a Europe that is worth defending. For a very long time, all of Europe has relied on the United States to provide for its defence. There are real threats to European security and, over time, rather than relying on the United States to defend Europe and pay for European defence, Europe should provide and pay for its own defence and not be dependent on the United States in the way it has been since 1945.
That is what Pesco and European security and defence co-operation are all about. It is Europe starting to take responsibility for and control over its own defence, not relying on the United States in the way it has done until now.

Many TDs said that in years to come, today’s vote will be seen as Ireland’s first step towards the country’s role in a European defence strategy.

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    Mute Aurelio Na Fodhla
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    Aug 6th 2021, 9:49 PM

    Why is it always a “joint” operation…. ? Could they not just say combined ?

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    Mute JusticeForJoe
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    Aug 6th 2021, 9:54 PM

    @Aurelio Na Fodhla: Only when it’s not about cannabis

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    Mute Frank Cauldhame
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    Aug 6th 2021, 10:08 PM

    @Aurelio Na Fodhla: I always have a wee smile when they use the phrase “joint operation”. I remember a headline from one of the evening papers years ago that read, “Firefighters stoned in Dolphins Barn”. At least they weren’t drunk !

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    Mute Murray Mitchell
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    Aug 7th 2021, 7:08 AM

    Just think of the tax revenue if it was legal and controlled in the same manner as alcohol & cigarettes. Added benefit of not having to deploy gards & customs agents wasting time over something they cannot eradicate. If the found €2million worth you can be sure there is €200million they didn’t find.

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    Mute Cannabis Freedom
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    Aug 7th 2021, 9:04 AM

    Senseless comment, the majority of people who consume cannabis (or alcohol) are not addicts and enjoy their lives just as much as anyone else. End the stigma please.

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    Mute Trev Mooney
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    Aug 6th 2021, 10:17 PM

    Only here for the comments – Bonus
    Points will be awarded for originality.

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    Mute The Grand Nagus
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    Aug 6th 2021, 9:35 PM

    Hash heads pxxs heads whatever else.
    Can Irish people go for a swim.
    Just enjoy life without adicitions

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    Mute JustBEERbarry
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    Aug 6th 2021, 9:40 PM

    @The Grand Nagus: hash heads? Nice 1970′s terminology there.

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    Mute Alan Biddulph
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    Aug 6th 2021, 9:50 PM

    @JustBEERbarry: Sneer all you like, Those hash heads wreaked havoc in the 70’s! YOU WEREN’T THERE MAN

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    Mute The Grand Nagus
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    Aug 6th 2021, 10:25 PM

    @JustBEERbarry:
    Whatever you want to call it its addiction.
    I lived with stoners years ago.
    Terrible experience.
    Paranoid bunch.

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    Mute Tomo
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    Aug 6th 2021, 10:30 PM

    @The Grand Nagus: Not as bad as a house of drinkers. Nothing worse!

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    Aug 6th 2021, 10:36 PM

    @Tomo:
    True but it all addiction
    We have a lovely country..
    Go out and enjoy it
    Its ten times better without been pxxs
    Or stonned

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    Mute Alan Duffy
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    Aug 6th 2021, 10:49 PM

    @Alan Biddulph: if you remember it you weren’t there either man!!

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    Mute Tomo
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    Aug 6th 2021, 11:01 PM

    @The Grand Nagus: Tell that to the thousands of people who glorify coffee addiction. Caffeine is a lot less healthy than a joint at night!

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    Aug 6th 2021, 11:09 PM

    @Tomo:
    Ahh the denial.
    OK don’t drink coffee also.

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    Mute Colm Walsh
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    Aug 6th 2021, 11:10 PM

    @The Grand Nagus: swim away but just cause people have a pint or a joint doesn’t make em junk!es or pi55 heads. Judgy Judgy like……

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    Aug 6th 2021, 11:40 PM

    @The Grand Nagus: so says the bloke with an addiction to talk absolute ball ox.

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    Mute JustBEERbarry
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    Aug 7th 2021, 12:00 AM

    @The Grand Nagus: so tell us, were you always this judgemental?

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    Mute Christopher Byrne
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    Aug 7th 2021, 5:39 AM

    @Tomo: Total nonsense

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    Mute JustBEERbarry
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    Aug 7th 2021, 9:48 AM

    @Christopher Byrne: what’s nonsense? The part about the house full of drinkers? Or caffeine being an addiction? Or caffeine being more harmful than cannabis? I’m sure you have a watertight arguement.

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    Aug 7th 2021, 9:51 AM

    @The Grand Nagus: sounds like you’re addicted to the oul swimming there. Probably a water-head. Dihydrogen monoxide addiction is a serious issue but the guards are afraid of taking on Big Uisce. I’d say you couldn’t go more than a few days without a hit of H2O or the withdrawals would be the end of you. And you’d probably say you’re just a recreational user. But really it’s all addiction.

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    Aug 7th 2021, 9:58 AM

    @Mac Muinteoir: you’re right, if it’s sea swimming this individual is engaging in its 100% addictive.
    I know several daily swimmers and they tell me its an addiction, a buzz.
    Funnily enough all these seaswimmers I know also like a pint and/or a smoke too. Huh, weird. Or maybe he likes to refer to it as something else not quite as judgemental as an addiction/buzz.

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    Aug 6th 2021, 10:49 PM

    €2 million for that amount is ridiculous. Do they actually just make up a random figure they think will sound good?

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    Aug 7th 2021, 12:01 AM

    @D: it’s priced per ten spot

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    Aug 7th 2021, 12:09 AM

    @D: No “quarter” given when announcing big busts it seems!

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    Aug 7th 2021, 8:56 AM

    Following the who what where when and how model of journalism I found this article lacking in substance. The lack of detail was astonishing. No Garda or official was named. The place where the drugs were discovered was anonymised. There was no sense that anyone was identified as owning the drugs and so would be liable for prosecution. That might have made a difference to their ongoing illegal activity. It’s like a press release from the Revenue was elevated into an article without ever passing through the interrogation of a journalist’s brain to examine the significance of the information as news.

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    Aug 7th 2021, 9:13 AM

    @feargal ‘2 metres’ de cantuin: covering an informers tracks methinks

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    Aug 7th 2021, 10:19 AM

    Good that they’re finally breaking ground on the drugs that we see destroying lives on a daily bases, by that I mean Heroin, don’t see the same arguments from the usual ‘heads’ on those articles, mostly because they’re really only interested IN the argument, and twisting the screw on those it does matter too. Stay classy ya’ll

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