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'It seems a bit like a trap to me': Drivers frustrated over lack of signs after being clamped

One driver who was refunded the clamping fee said a garda told them it was ‘immoral’ as there was not sufficient markings.

A DRIVER WHO had their car clamped was refunded after they claimed that a passing garda told them the clamp was “immoral” as there was not sufficient markings.

Information provided to TheJournal.ie under Freedom of Information shows a number of complaints were sent to Dublin City Council from 1 July – 2 November this year.

The issue of insufficient marking and signs was the subject that came up most often in the complaints.

One driver said being clamped when a sign was behind a tree seemed “a bit like a trap” . While in another case a driver claims that they were told by a garda that the clamp was immoral.

Describing the situation in a complaint letter, the driver said:

“A garda pulled in to discuss my car being clamped. They informed me that you have just started clamping in this spot but it is completely immoral as you have not continued on the yellow lines, the white line is hard to see and there is no sign.”

The driver attached a photo of the white line that they described as “broken as the paint had faded” and “difficult to see”.

The complainant added that the garda in question “also said he was going to put in a formal complaint”.

Clamping - garda Dublin City Council Dublin City Council

The driver was refunded on this occasion.

In another case the issue of the white line being worn was also brought up. The driver said, “The line in question is not continuous and is quite worn with bits missing”.

They also complained that double yellow lines should be extended to cover the area to make it clear that people can’t park there.

There are double yellow lines extending all the way on the other side of the road – I don’t see why they could not be extended to where I was parked to avoid all the stress.

The driver added that they were told by locals that people get clamped there on a regular basis, adding:

This sharp practice/setup or purposeful entrapment should be remedied immediately.

A note on this complaint read: “50% refund with caution, gesture of goodwill”.

‘Seems like a trap’ 

In another complaint about signage, the driver says the clearway sign was obscured from view by a tree, adding:

The area in question is not clearly marked and seems a little bit like a trap to me.

The driver explains that there are several area for loading bays on the street where they parked and they are all clearly marked.

However, they noted, “The loading bay I parked in did not have this addendum.”

The driver in this case was also refunded.

In two cases, drivers complain of being clamped in areas where they have parked with no problems for years. Both of these drivers were refunded.

In one case, the complainant explains that they were clamped outside their mother’s house – despite parking there for the past 33 years.

clamping - mothers house Dublin City Council Dublin City Council

They said that there is an end of clearway sign before the house in the area where they park and that cars park there everyday.

They also added, “After my clamping incident, four cars were clamped and then unclamped with no fines being enforced after the parking department was informed.”

In the other case, the driver says they were clamped in a spot that they have parked in Monday – Friday for over a year.

There are no double yellow lines, no warning signs and no other signs whatsoever to advise people that they may be illegally parked. I would never park anywhere illegal intentionally.

“There are yellow boxes at certain points in the road to warn people not to block any of the school entrances but if something as simple as double yellow lines were printed each side of the road it would save any confusion. ”

They said they noticed drivers on the opposite side of the road being clamped a few days before they were clamped but that no clamping has taken place since:

“Since the day I was clamped, cars continue to park each side of the road and there has been no clamping since which is a little unfair.”

Read: Parking complaints: Driver refunded after claiming clampers took photo of wrong street sign>

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    Jun 29th 2018, 10:01 AM

    ‘Don’t get me wrong I see you see you all as equals I just don’t think you should have equal rights..’

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    Jun 29th 2018, 10:18 AM

    @IncelsForTrump: and what about people who don’t want or are not able to have kids is that not a marriage

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    @IncelsForTrump: Do you mean all married couples must reproduce?

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    @IncelsForTrump: obvious troll is obvious

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    Jun 29th 2018, 10:25 AM

    @IncelsForTrump: Excellent point. You have completely changed my world view. Thanks for your great insight!

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    Jun 29th 2018, 10:28 AM

    @IncelsForTrump: inheritance rights and taxes and property transfers and rights … forget the glamour of kids or the religious concepts, legal marriage is about inheritance and taxes and property transfers and rights..

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    Jun 29th 2018, 10:31 AM

    @Drew P. Baulsach: Seriously how can you disagree with equal rights? As the Bible says: ‘What is love? Baby don’t hurt me. Don’t hurt me. No more.’

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    @Jukebox Jim: Apologies Drew that was directed towards Incel. Really should have the hang of this at this stage!

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    @IncelsForTrump: Your name says it all, your only a troll, people who post just to provoke, their opinion does not count, your opinion does not count.

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    Jun 29th 2018, 10:42 AM

    @IncelsForTrump: that’s too simplistic mate. What about people who enter marriage with a view to having kids but find out later that they can’t, should they divorce?

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    Jun 29th 2018, 10:43 AM

    @Jukebox Jim: I actually lol’d at that. Cheers.

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    @Jukebox Jim: Her new position on lesbians is kissing ass

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    @Niall Ó Cofaigh: They should call it “Civil Union” then, you make it sound like a business deal.

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    Jun 29th 2018, 10:03 AM

    She needs to look at the 26, and how marriage equality worked out. The sky didn’t fall, nothing changed. Save for a small boost to the economy thanks to additional weddings taking place.

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    Jun 29th 2018, 10:13 AM

    @The Risen: the way Arlene is pushing it’ll be the 32 she’s looking at

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    Jun 29th 2018, 10:19 AM

    @IncelsForTrump: did you ? That’s not what I voted for

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    Jun 29th 2018, 1:34 PM

    @Stephen Devlin:
    True.
    In years to come she will be regarded as one of the unwitting, maybe even witless, prime movers for contra-unionism.

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    Jun 29th 2018, 3:25 PM

    @The Risen: But has her position on lesbian rights really changed or is it tongue in cheek?

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    Jun 29th 2018, 10:07 AM

    Arlene sees gay people as fellow citizens, just not equal in value and legal recognition to heterosexual citizens.

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    Jun 29th 2018, 3:54 PM

    @Paul Laing: In other words she endorses discrimination.

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    Jun 29th 2018, 9:58 AM

    Using her logic if a person dislikes black people and wants them to have less rights then white people then they are not racist? That’s weird logic.

    Arlene is homophobic, she can dress it up anyway she wants but that’s what she is.

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    Jun 29th 2018, 10:14 AM

    @Barry Somers:
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    Jun 29th 2018, 10:17 AM

    @IncelsForTrump: Shirley you mean…ImbecilesForTrump. Looks like your another one that can’t tell the difference between liberal and decency

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    Jun 29th 2018, 10:51 AM

    @Skybloo: and then demands that they respect her opinion!!!

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    Jun 29th 2018, 12:05 PM

    @Deborah Behan:
    If it was only an opinion … but it’s not – she’s imposing her bigotry on a whole section of society … and went to their party to tell them so.

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    Jun 29th 2018, 1:05 PM

    @Skybloo: thatsame society voted her in.

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    Jun 29th 2018, 3:01 PM

    @Figo murphy:
    If she is acting in the interests of the people who voted her in and the rest, then hold a referendum on marraige equality … let her ‘voters’ and the rest of northern ireland have a democratic say on this particular legislation. By the way her party only accounts for 28% of the vote in the last election

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    Jun 29th 2018, 3:07 PM

    @Figo murphy:

    The majority of MLAs, the majority of the parties and the majority of voters in the six counties oppose the DUP stance on equal marriage. The DUP position is NOT the position of society in the six counties.

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    Jun 29th 2018, 10:02 AM

    She went in there and asked the LGBT+ community of Northern Ireland to respect her position. She went on about Northern Ireland being a community of faith and that people should respect their conscientious position. In other words she turned up, ignored that some LGBT+ people also have faith, that the PoCs on marriage equality have disrespected the majority view in Stormont, and raised the possibility of a conscience clause still being a possibility. Far from taking LGBT rights forward she has threathened to take them back.

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    Jun 29th 2018, 10:09 AM

    how the f is somebody like this in politics?

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    Jun 29th 2018, 10:49 AM

    @Supersonic: They can only get away with it in America, Northern Ireland and the Middle East.

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    Jun 29th 2018, 11:28 AM

    @Rob Cahill: You say that like we don’t have any muppets sitting in the Dáil either..

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    Jun 29th 2018, 12:19 PM

    @Supersonic: The likes of Ronan Mullens and Mattie McGrath are on the way out here though.. It seems to be a requirement for them.

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    Jun 29th 2018, 12:38 PM

    @Supersonic: The joys of a society where identity politics are held above all else, being on the right side is what matters. Being a competent politician and a reasonable person is just a bonus and not required.

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    Jun 29th 2018, 2:01 PM

    @Rob Cahill:In Mediocre Britain as well

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    Jun 29th 2018, 10:12 AM

    Saying someone is not entitled to the same rights as other people, means you have a hatred towards them. If that is not homophobia, I don’t know what is, in my opinion.

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    “I’m not racist but….”

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    Jun 29th 2018, 9:56 AM

    Arlene is wrong!!

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    Jun 29th 2018, 10:13 AM

    @John McQuaid: she is not wrong, she is allowed hold a view and if it differs from someone elses it is not wrong, just different. What is wrong is using her position to deny others something she disagrees with.

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    @Tony Harris: You’re right she is absolutely entitled to hold a different view. She is not automatically entitled to have that view valued

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    Jun 29th 2018, 10:13 AM

    The Dup are playing to their audience. Time will tell if her party have support or not. I suspect they will suffer a little at the next general election if this stance is continued. The next generation of voters in the north will follow social norms. The Dup may well have reached it’s peak.

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    Jun 29th 2018, 10:04 AM

    crawl back into your cave Arlene, kinda Ironic her position almost mirrors the Popes

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    Jun 29th 2018, 10:38 AM

    Good aul Arlene, still on point with DUP policy!

    Why do LGBTI think they would get any more preferential treatment than the “taigs”?

    Just because some share the same faith?

    Arlene values the “Taigs” too, just as long as they know and acknowledge their inferior status!

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    Jun 29th 2018, 10:00 AM

    Northern Ireland’s greatest female impersonator ……total bigot…

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    Jun 29th 2018, 11:25 AM

    @Sean Leonard: The irony that you would insult somebody in suggesting they are part of the community that you are defending. It is not OK to use transsexuality as an insult.

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    @Kal Ipers: whether you are aware or not Female Impersonators are NOT transexuals …. Example Mr.Pussy, Danny La Rue, Dame Edna etc etc ..try learning a bit more

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    Jun 29th 2018, 2:51 PM

    @Sean Leonard: Now there’s a couple of blasts from the past..and Dame E. !

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    @Sean Leonard: Pauline Calf the greatest of them all

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    Jun 29th 2018, 10:49 AM

    If you live in a country where you pay tax, work, and abide the law. You should have the right to be married regardless of your sexual orientation. Don’t try to disguise your very apparent homophobia

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    Jun 29th 2018, 10:32 AM

    The uk are really getting to see the DUP true colours now,arlene even has theresa may by the short and curlies.

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    @dick dastardly: The Brits will end up resenting Northern Ireland the more they have to hear about it.

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    Jun 29th 2018, 3:51 PM

    @Stephen Devlin: you’ve a point there!

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    Jun 29th 2018, 10:52 AM

    How can she possibly see the lgbt as equal when she doesn’t see the Catholic population as equal.

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    Jun 29th 2018, 11:09 AM

    Love is love and between two consenting adults. Marriage is a legal contract again between two consenting adults. Why should or how can anyone have a say in that. We are all human and no one should have the power to deprive anyone of equality!

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    Jun 29th 2018, 10:44 AM

    Was it George Orwell said “all animals are equal, but some are more equal than others”

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    Jun 29th 2018, 9:56 AM

    The DUP are a pack of lunatic creationists. Honestly the most backward, inward looking bigots on this planet.

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    Jun 29th 2018, 10:17 AM

    @Bingobango:
    Interestingly, they are now everything that they said they hated in those Catholics all those years ago

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    Jun 29th 2018, 2:00 PM

    @Bingobango: Your own comment might suggest that you’re a bigot also.

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    Jun 29th 2018, 2:50 PM

    @Nick Drake: Excellent input Nick. We can’t call out bigots now for fear of being labelled a bigot? Go have a lie down, the sun must be getting to ye.

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    Jun 29th 2018, 10:33 AM

    So what’s her definition of marriage then? I wonder what she thinks of heterosexual couples getting married even when they know one or both of them are infertile?

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    Jun 29th 2018, 5:35 PM

    I know, it makes her sound like someone ready to impose an upper age limit on others.

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    Jun 29th 2018, 10:46 AM

    I’m sorry but you can’t marry the person you love because I have some ridiculous superstitions and you have to respect them.. FFS it’s 2018.

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    Jun 29th 2018, 10:38 AM

    little steps can often end in big changes… but I am not so sure that this is the correct way.

    many would consider marriage as between a man and a woman who live together and maybe have kids…. but state marriage was and still is a contract about inheritance rights and taxes and property transfers and other rights – try getting out of a marriage and you will find out what it is about – and it is not unreasonable that two people, regardless of sex, should be allowed to enter into that contract. Arlene has it wrong I am afraid, but so too have many “traditionals” all over the world. But it takes a lot to be able to change ones views.

    However, same sex marriage is nothing new.. “Same-sex unions were known in Ancient Greece and Rome,[2] ancient Mesopotamia,[4] in some regions of China, such as Fujian province, and at certain times in ancient European history.[5]”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_same-sex_unions

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    Jun 29th 2018, 1:16 PM

    @Niall Ó Cofaigh:
    ” ….but state marriage was and still is a contract about inheritance rights and taxes and property transfers and other rights – try getting out of a marriage and you will find out what it is about .”
    The problem with civil marriage is that people enter into a blind contract. Approx. 40,000 people will get married in this country this year but not one of them has a clue about the legal terms of the contract they are signing up for nor are they told what those terms are. Civil marriage should be like other contracts. people entering into these contracts should only do so with their full knowledge and consent and should be entitled to have an input into the terms of the contract.

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    Jun 29th 2018, 8:11 PM

    @Frank McGlynn:
    I always wondered what was stopping two men or women writing up a contract the same as the civil marriage, then throwing a party.
    They would be married.

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    Jun 29th 2018, 11:08 AM

    “I respect you, I deny you your rights as citizens and I EXPECT YOU to respect my position.”
    Well in one way this is progress. The DUP is moving away from being seen as the intransigent unionist party loyal to the crown to being the intransigent religious bigots only loyal to the crown because of their hatred for anybody that’s different to them – in the old case Catholics and nationalist Irish, but today anybody with an attitude more advanced that the 16th century puritanical bigotry and hatred they hold so close to their “hearts”

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    Jun 29th 2018, 10:28 AM

    Perfectly reasonable viewpoint

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    Jun 29th 2018, 10:36 AM

    @Joe O’riordan: for a bigot

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    Jun 29th 2018, 10:47 AM

    @Joe O’riordan: Oh look everyone.. another fake account trying to cause controversy.

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    Jun 29th 2018, 6:11 PM

    @Rob Cahill: oh because i agree i am a fake account. Thats like me saying you play for a shite band …actually maybe you do..

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    Jun 29th 2018, 9:58 AM

    She respects? She has just disrespected them with her comments and stand,, what a horrible woman

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    Jun 29th 2018, 11:34 AM

    She should respect other people’s opinions too if she wants hers to be respected. She should also respect the right of LGBT people to be treated the same as people who are heterosexual.

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    Jun 29th 2018, 11:00 AM

    No equal rights. Understood.

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    Jun 29th 2018, 10:06 AM

    Arlene reminds me of Rosanne Barr, makes a comment and then back peddles like f.

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    Jun 29th 2018, 10:29 AM

    The DUP regard those who vote for them as trapped. There is nowhere else fir them to go. The political framework in the north is devised and perpetuated around the protestant/catholic split; but, it is very important to note this split is fundamentally manufactured abd artificial. The potential for unity and political action on grounds of class is always below the surface. Indeed, it is this mortal threat to bourgeois rule in Ireland that drives the constant reinvention of sectarianism from state, the unionist and nationalist parties and the whole panoply of bourgeois ‘public’ opinion.

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    Jun 29th 2018, 10:41 AM

    @PV Nevin: ..ands you didn’t even mention the proletariat.

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    Jun 29th 2018, 3:25 PM

    @Tom McHugh: it seems ro me the sneers abd mockery from the right wing masks a fear of the working class.

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    Jun 29th 2018, 8:30 PM

    @PV Nevin: Are you a proper, proper marxist?

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    Jun 29th 2018, 1:01 PM

    All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others.

    Arlene Foster, DUP.

    Sorry it’s from Animal Farm, George Orwell

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    Jun 29th 2018, 1:48 PM

    @Stevey Walker: No apology needed

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    Mute Ian Phillip Creaner
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    Jun 29th 2018, 1:23 PM

    I really respect protestants as citizens. It’s not right that they are allowed to get married. I mean it’s not marriage in the catholic sense, so it shouldn’t be called that.

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    Mute Paul Laing
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    Jun 29th 2018, 1:31 PM

    Arlene and the Pope have much in common.

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    Mute Lynn McAuley
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    Jun 29th 2018, 4:02 PM

    If shes for the people then why is it only her personal opinion that makes the call???

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    Mute Elizabeth Kirwan
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    Jun 29th 2018, 12:51 PM

    She doesn’t seem to realise that she doesn’t have to marry her same sex partner -even if that were possible in NI- but parity of esteem can happen only where there’s full equality of choice for all concerned. This means that in order to be able to accept diversity, politicians have to firstly legislate for it

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    Jun 29th 2018, 4:49 PM

    Again, this has nothing to do with this misused word “equality”. For over 200,000 years men and women have been signifying there mating arrangements by a marriage ceremony. Men on men has always been rejected by every society including the animals kingdom

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    Jun 29th 2018, 11:20 AM

    Why is it if heterosexual people dont agree with LGBT community there homophobic

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    Jun 29th 2018, 11:51 AM

    @Margaret Kane: Trying to deny a person who is homosexual the same rights a person who is heterosexual has, is homophobic. It is basically saying you think they are less than worthy. You can disagree with their lifestyle but trying to deny them the same rights is wrong.

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    Mute Heather Knowles
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    Jun 29th 2018, 11:59 AM

    @Margaret Kane: Because holding a discriminatory view of someone who just happens to be be different from you for no rational reason other then pure dislike or ignorance is wrong.

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    Jun 29th 2018, 1:23 PM

    @Margaret Kane: cos that’s pretty much the definition of homophobia…

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    Jun 29th 2018, 2:03 PM

    @Katie: Wrong.

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    Jun 29th 2018, 3:09 PM

    @Nick Drake: in what way? I’m pretty sure it is. There is nothing to agree on. We are just people like everyone else that’s not in the LGBT community and shouldn’t be treated any different.

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    Jun 29th 2018, 5:35 PM

    @Slim Shady: could the same logic be aplied to the unborn?

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    Jun 29th 2018, 8:38 PM

    @Kevin Cashin: They unborn do not have the same rights.

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    Mute Frank McGlynn
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    Jun 29th 2018, 1:19 PM

    Civil marriage as it currently exists is a massive deceit perpetrated on the citizens by the State. The problem with civil marriage is that people enter into a blind contract. Approx. 40,000 people will get married in this country this year but not one of them has a clue about the legal terms of the contract they are signing up for nor are they told what those terms are. Civil marriage should be like other contracts. people entering into these contracts should only do so with their full knowledge and consent and should be entitled to have an input into the terms of the contract.

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    Jun 29th 2018, 10:30 AM

    Entitled to hold any opinion sure totally agree. I have to respect it ,not a chance dumb bigotry , backward ideology deserves derision stupid hammerhead

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    Jun 29th 2018, 3:20 PM

    She said they’ve a strong faith community which they certainly have, if you’ve spent time there you’ll know about the baptist Methodist CoI CoE etc and that they are still a very Puritan community , abortion, Lgbq, gay marriage are very much closed sealed bolted doors

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    Jun 29th 2018, 11:01 AM

    What a nutcase! LGBT are not respected by the DUP, they’re stuck in 1690 Arlene is a Pratt.

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    Mute Thomas McMillan
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    Jun 29th 2018, 1:51 PM

    As I come from a strong faith community full of hypocrisy.
    I believe in diversity ,just not in equality.
    Love is selective according to my faith

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    Jun 29th 2018, 11:28 AM

    She is a vicious bigot.

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    Jun 29th 2018, 3:19 PM

    @mursim: The gentle bigots are preferable

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    Jun 29th 2018, 1:47 PM

    Let them eat cake I say

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    Jun 29th 2018, 5:40 PM

    Love how she claims a principled position. That won’t keep people warm, you know.

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    Jun 29th 2018, 2:37 PM

    Marriage is very much overrated

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    Jun 29th 2018, 3:21 PM

    @Dave Bolger: Yes an institution I wouldn’t want to enter into, as great philosopher Marx said

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    Jun 30th 2018, 12:06 AM

    Listen Arlene, it’s simple. If you think gays are equal and you can get past seeing everything as sectarian, then allow a free vote and respect the principle of democracy and allow people to disagree with you. To abuse a *ucked up political system to suggest that equality issues are somehow unionist/nationalist and block the will of the people is fundamentally morally bankrupt.

    Allow a free vote at stormont. Retain your objection. Allow democracy to win.

    Without that, you have zero political / moral credibility. You’re reduced to a pathetic bigot. You want to be more than that it’s going to take more than a 20 years too late photo op.

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    Jun 29th 2018, 5:54 PM

    Big ignorant bigot

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    Jun 29th 2018, 2:36 PM

    She is full of shite!
    Despicable little woman!

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    Jul 3rd 2018, 9:18 AM

    Test

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    Jun 29th 2018, 9:58 AM

    Is that not a bit contradicting?

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