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'It was cutting my husband during sex': Women with vaginal mesh complications take fight to the Dáil

Today a consultant from Scotland told TDs he stopped doing these procedures in 2014 because he believed the risks outweighed the benefits.

THEY STOOD IN the cold outside Leinster House, huddled together with the rain pelting down on them. For many of the members of Mesh Survivors Ireland, the road to the Dáil has been a long one and on the way they have suffered pain and stress, been brushed aside and ignored.

Thousands of women across the world have suffered complications after having a vaginal mesh device implanted. These devices, made with polypropylene – a type of plastic – are used in surgeries to address stress urinary incontinence and pelvic prolapse, conditions women can suffer after natural childbirth.

Each of the women in the support group, which was established in October last year, believed they were the only ones who had suffered in this way after these procedures until they saw the global media coverage as the scandal broke in the US, Australia, New Zealand and then the UK. TheJournal.ie began an investigation into the scale of the problem in Ireland in September last year and now over 100 women have come forward.

Protesting outside, accompanied by her husband Darren, Lesley-Anne Stephens told TheJournal.ie she was just 36 when she had her operation, which was to address stress incontinence. Now, at 39 she has to use a walking stick for support.

Her incontinence was so bad she said she would “drench” herself when she got out of her car, but if she could go back she still would not get the procedure.

“As it is I’m incontinent and in pain,” she explained. “We were told this was my fix, that this was going to change my life for the better.”

She has had two partial removal procedures, but still has some of the mesh tape inside her. The device is designed in such a way that the tissue around it grows into the tape so it can act as a support for the bladder wall.

dav A piece of mesh tape, the kind that is used in surgeries to address stress incontinence. Michelle Hennessy / TheJournal.ie Michelle Hennessy / TheJournal.ie / TheJournal.ie

This, however, makes it extremely difficult to fully remove without causing damage to the internal tissue and other organs around it.

“There is another piece of mesh sticking out through my skin – I can feel it. I can’t spend any time with my husband, I can’t lift our girls, I can’t walk very far. I can’t drink at all – it goes straight through me.

“I know it sounds silly, but I had cereal one morning with a small bit of milk on it and I went to the toilet 56 times between nine in the morning and three in the day and I was exhausted. You can’t go anywhere if you’re going to take a little drink.”

6265 Mesh Survivors Ireland_90535059 Lesley-Anne Stephens outside Leinster House with her husband Darren today. Leah Farrell / RollingNews.ie Leah Farrell / RollingNews.ie / RollingNews.ie

“It’s very difficult to hear a five-year-old making comments about where we should and shouldn’t go,” her husband Darren added.

Things that we would have done in the past automatically, to hear your five-year-old say ‘We can’t go there because there’s lots of steps and it’ll be difficult for Mam”, that’s very difficult. It’s had an impact on every aspect of Lesley-Anne’s life and her family life, her friends, every aspect of who she is.

‘Suffering in silence’

After the protest, inside Leinster House, TDs were given a chance to learn about the issue.

They heard from Sinn Féin’s Louise O’Reilly, who had earlier raised the topic with the Taoiseach, Melanie Power, a solicitor representing many of the women affected, and Margaret Byrne, who suffered complications after her surgery, as well as two experts.

Power, who set up the support group Mesh Survivors Ireland said women who experienced complications have “suffered in silence for far too long”. More than 100 Irish woman who consider themselves as being mesh injured have contacted her and she said they had been “butchered” by the device, adding that she did not use that term lightly.

The Chief Medical Officer is currently compiling a report on the issue, but Power said the HSE needs to conduct an audit to make it clear how many women have had these procedures and how many have experienced complications.

She said the reality for some of these women now is a reliance on disability allowance, a cocktail of medication, the loss of their sex life, relationship breakdowns, depression, isolation and suicide attempts.

‘Traumatic’

Margaret Byrne, who shared her story with TheJournal.ie last year, spoke at the presentation. She underwent one of these operations in 2000 as a treatment for stress incontinence.

She told TDs that she first realised something had gone wrong with the operation when she and her husband resumed sexual relations.

There was an audible gasp from those listening to Byrne when she told them there was “something sticking there, cutting my husband” and that it “had a sharp edge”.

She eventually had a procedure to remove the device, but she went through three years of procedures before that, which she said she found traumatic.

“I can still see the lights overhead in the theatre.”

dav Sinn Féin TD Louise O'Reilly with members of Mesh Survivors Ireland at Leinster House today. Michelle Hennessy / TheJournal.ie Michelle Hennessy / TheJournal.ie / TheJournal.ie

One woman told TDs she had been a private patient and had to pay €40,000 for two procedures to remove the mesh.

Another woman from Belfast said she had been examined a number of times in Northern Ireland and doctors had found no issue, but when she had the same examination in London, she was told she had significant vaginal scarring.

In testimonies from other women, read out by Melanie Power, they reported chronic urinary tract infections, chronic pain and erosion into their bladders, urethras and vaginal walls. One woman said she was on so many opiates for the pain she became addicted at the age of 64.

Another, similar to Margaret Byrne, said her husband had been “physically injured by the device” during intercourse.

‘Pressure from industry’

The striking personal stories were followed up by presentations from two experts. The first was a consultant from Scotland called Dr Wael Agur who himself had done mesh procedures over a five-year period. He stopped in 2014 due to concerns he had about the risks, which he believes outweigh the benefits.

He told TDs he had a junior doctor conduct research about all of the patients he had worked on between 2009 and 2014 and showed them an email on the screen that this doctor sent him halfway through.

She told him the patients either had no complications or “neverending ones”.

Agur believes there was “huge pressure from industry” to move away from the old standard of procedures, which did not involve the use of any devices and therefore did not make any money for manufacturers.

In Scotland, the number of operations for stress incontinence doubled after the use of mesh tape became the gold standard.

This, he said, was not as a result of more women suffering stress incontinence – surgeons started offering the procedure to women who had mild incontinence or just urinary urgency.

Agur said many doctors who performed these procedures did not link up complications afterwards such as chronic pain or issues with sexual intercourse after the surgeries because the instructions from manufacturers did not list them as risks.

He finished by telling TDs he could understand why clinicians did not want to be seen to take a step backwards by reverting back to the old procedures. However, he said there is “always something you can do” if the patient has complications with non-mesh operations.

“With mesh, it can be irreversible and there is little we can do.”

dav A leaflet handed out by Mesh Survivor Members outside the Dáil earlier today. Michelle Hennessy / TheJournal.ie Michelle Hennessy / TheJournal.ie / TheJournal.ie

Trinity College Professor David Taylor was the second expert to speak on the issue. He has been researching these procedures and he said one study, which looked at outcomes from over 11,000 patients who had operations for prolapse found there was a failure rate of 10%.

He believes there may be as many as 1,000 women in Ireland suffering from mesh erosion issues.

Taylor said he can not find any piece of research where someone has taken a piece of mesh that has failed and been removed from a patient to test it. There are strict procedures around medical devices that fail, he said, and he said the HSE should be enforcing these.

Sympathy and concern

Speaking in the Dáil on the issue today, Taoiseach Leo Varadkar said his “sympathy and concern” goes to any patient suffering from complications.

“I absolutely expect that the HSE and the Department of Health will consider this matter based on evidence and not just evidence from this State. As is the norm in any kind of medical issue, one examines peer-reviewed international evidence as well as domestic evidence and take them together,” he said in response to a question from Sinn Féin’s Louise O’Reilly.

In health care, one will always find evidence going one way and then evidence going the other way. It is therefore necessary to take all the evidence together to see which of it is peer-reviewed and strongest and make a judgment based on that.

“Any response from the Government, the HSE and the Department of Health will be compassionate and understanding and respectful of the pain and suffering of anyone who is enduring complications as a result of an operation. Further, any actions taken by government will have to be guided by best clinical advice from the experts in the field and it will have to be evidence-based.”

If you’ve been affected by this issue, we want to hear your story. Get in touch at michelle@thejournal.ie.

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    Jun 9th 2024, 5:41 PM

    Could easily fund their campaigns with the money made off Ukrainian refugees.

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    Jun 9th 2024, 7:50 PM

    @Ciaran O Donoghue: Well we now have the Tweets and video of NGO’s bussing Illegal immigrants to polling stations to vote following their registration in hotels. As I predicted they have imported their new voters.

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    Jun 9th 2024, 8:08 PM

    @087 bed: Liar

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    Jun 9th 2024, 8:13 PM

    @Ollie McGlinchey: The Video is there to prove you wrong, You should be ashamed of yourself.

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    Jun 9th 2024, 9:41 PM

    @087 bed: could you tell us where to look? wouldnt always go on them as sometimes its just gargle but I checked gript. You need to mention where since a link will be deleted.

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    Jun 9th 2024, 9:53 PM

    @Sean oSuilleabhain: Watch – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wl8eONMIB4A

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    Jun 10th 2024, 7:00 AM

    @087 bed: “as I predicted” – ha! Your smugness will never abate. And anyone who believes a word that racist gombeen says in your video should be ashamed of themselves. He’s a disgrace to this country.

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    Jun 9th 2024, 5:49 PM

    They did not get my vote as they have been profiteering from the refugees. That is not right.

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    Jun 9th 2024, 6:32 PM

    @Ulysses 31: well now I think I know who but could be wrong. Any idea when hidden camera show is back on? I miss it terribly

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    Jun 9th 2024, 7:26 PM

    @Ulysses 31: I had to video record it.

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    Jun 9th 2024, 8:11 PM

    @Sean Money: so that’s where you live?

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    @Ciaran O Donoghue: who are you?

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    Jun 10th 2024, 9:28 AM

    @Sean Money: Didn’t have you as a lefty loon Sean?

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    Jun 9th 2024, 5:47 PM

    There was an article pulled from the journal this morning. It had figures of earnings from Ukrainians on a guesthouse owned by the Healy Rae’s. Literally dissapeared while I was reading it. Puppet jouranalism.

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    Jun 9th 2024, 6:07 PM

    @Vinny Clare: that’s only the half of it, have a Google of what there plant hire firm makes every year from Kerry CC. He had another house ready for rental aswell only he proceeded with the work before planning went through.

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    Jun 9th 2024, 8:18 PM

    @Michael o connor: if that’s Nancy Myles then there are tenants in situ as we speak. He didn’t get permission to turn it into 30 apartments so it’s just a few rooms still.

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    Jun 9th 2024, 5:46 PM

    nepotism

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    Jun 9th 2024, 9:25 PM

    @Ulysses 31: Apologism

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    Jun 9th 2024, 9:43 PM

    @john murray: Its all he/she/they knows. Petty and miserly person

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    Jun 9th 2024, 5:50 PM

    You know….with all the noise surrounding the two brothers in the Dail, I honestly entirely forgot about their father……which just compounds how much of a cottage industry that family has made itself.

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    Jun 9th 2024, 6:29 PM

    It’s either people couldn’t careless about their communities and don’t care what’s going on,but in a few years,u will have the people in Kerry giving out about their Communities and their County been so neglected with housing Health and everything else,the people of Kerry had too have seen Michael sitting with the Muslims,and praising them and how lucky Kerry is too have them,the more that come the better,and he will do everything he can to get the mosque built.all hotel owners who’s housing these migrants were runing mini busses to get them to vote,and were told who to vote for…I’ve not heard from any main media which not suprised,but Gript the only media to believe why haven’t they asked how is it legal to vote in this Country,when ur not a citizen.id like to know

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    Jun 10th 2024, 9:32 AM

    @Kathleen Peters: Gonna need some people to stay, especially if we cant keep our own. That local garage job that no one wanted is about to become very popular. The franchise owner will be super pleased with the abundant cheap labour too.

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    Jun 9th 2024, 8:29 PM

    And we sneer at the Americans who’d seemingly vote for a convicted criminal and yet this guy who assaulted a tourist (and who has also lost his appeal) can get elected? Probably being held aloft by the bully boy mates who helped him in the night.

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    Jun 9th 2024, 6:59 PM

    We’ll never have change because the Irish love punishment, the Brits beat that into us. Let’s all complain about everything and then vote the same clowns in …. Well done

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    Jun 9th 2024, 6:32 PM

    What is there to be proud of? Nothing and they know it. It’s a false sense of nepotism driven pride that should have shame in it’s place. Is the tweet from the very same elected chap who did the assault? Tells you everything there is to know then, they are money grabbing anti gay creatures and nothing will ever change that

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    Jun 9th 2024, 11:17 PM

    ‘This is my town!’ I’ll fight ya at the chip van! (with my 3 mates to help me too)

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    Jun 9th 2024, 6:08 PM

    Speedy Nolan was another one elected that had the healy raes behind him.

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    Jun 9th 2024, 7:07 PM

    @Michael o connor: pass the bucket, or the cheque book #corruption

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    Jun 9th 2024, 5:58 PM

    Great news. More independents

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    Jun 9th 2024, 9:04 PM

    Crooks and thugs!

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    Jun 9th 2024, 10:20 PM

    Local elections deal with local issues. If I lived in kerry I’d vote for them! Very responsive to problems from people living there. A lot of the local politicians don’t seem to do much. At least they actually get results. Whatever about td’s and national issues. Cannot complain about the locals. Here in waterford we have terrible politicians who for decades have gotten us very little. One good labour councillor in waterford county. That’s it

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    Jun 9th 2024, 11:15 PM

    @B Murphy: prove it, I am completely willing to bet they’d silence any Irish silly enough to be living there (although Kenmare is pretty) as quickly as the following people silenced me immediately and wrongly for a short email addressing their failures on disabilities, young people, justice, mental health: Mcentee, Varadkar, Harris, O Gorman
    They’ve not done anything but put out hateful rural rhetoric in the past about minorities, show up on rte which they’d claim to despise also, switch it around to meet Muslims this year as the flat cap TD one did. They’re hookers, plain and simple and no offence remotely meant to sex workers

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    Jun 10th 2024, 10:57 AM

    Very sad that they keep getting elected..

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