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'A historic day': Ireland on a path to being the 4th country in the world to ban fossil fuel exploration

Costa Rica, Belize and France have already implemented similar measures to end oil activity in their waters.

Updated 1.50pm

THE GOVERNMENT HAS lost a vote on proposed legislation which would place a ban on fossil fuel exploration off the Irish coast.

The Bill secured the support of 78 TDs, with 48 voting against it. It will now proceed to Committee Stage in the Oireachtas, despite the government’s opposition.

Solidarity-People Before Profit’s Petroleum and Other Minerals Development (Amendment) Climate Emergency Measures Bill aims to stop the issuing of any new licences for the exploration of fossil fuels.

Costa Rica, Belize and France have already implemented similar measures.

The Bill sets out that the government must:

  • Ensure regard is had to national and global environmental considerations when issuing licences, undertakings and leases under the Petroleum and Other Minerals Development Act 1960

These considerations include:

  • The annual average global temperature, the monthly mean level of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere

With the support of the Green Party, Fianna Fáil, Sinn Féin, Labour, and Independents 4 Change (and pop superstar Cher who tweeted her support) it passed, meaning Ireland is now on the path to become the fourth country in the world to implement a ban on the exploration of fossil fuels.

Reacting to the vote result today, Green Party Leader Eamon Ryan TD said “this is truly is a historic day for environmentalism in Ireland. The tide has turned on fossil fuels, and there is widespread political support now for a just transition to renewable power”.

Bríd Smith, who introduced the Bill, said its passing to the next stage sends “a signal globally” that Ireland takes climate change seriously. During the week she called on the Taoiseach to support the move.

“The Taoiseach recently said that Ireland has been a laggard in regards to our responsibilities – this is the opportunity now for Varadkar to put his money where his mouth is,” she said, adding:

This is only the first small step in the fight against climate change but it is an important one as it would send a message around the world. Ireland needs to take this action and send a message to the world that we are taking climate change seriously and are willing to take the action needed to combat it.

“The measures contained in this Bill are modest and are in line with the government’s policy,” said Smith.

Oil and gas

Solidarity TD, Paul Murphy, said climate change is not just something for future generations to worry about.

“It is a threat to people now. If the government is serious about tackling climate change they must support this Bill and put the environment over private profits,” he added.

Murphy said: ”If fossil fuels continue to be burnt at the current rate, we will break through the two degree Celsius level which was agreed at Paris. There will be an average global temperature increase of around five degrees. Climate scientists estimate that at least 80% of the known fossil fuel deposits must be left in the ground, unused.”

Yesterday, Fine Gael’s Hildegarde Naughten, who sits on the Joint Committee on Communications, Climate Action and Environment with deputy Smith, said she had no fixed view on whether fossil fuels should be banned permanently in legislation.

Naughten said Smith might be surprised to hear that both their views on the issue are rather similar, stating that “ideally” she should would like to see the use of fossil fuels as “a thing of the past”.

However, she maintained that Smith’s Bill should not continue to the next Stage as it has not been considered in a “holistic fashion”.

She said expert witnesses should be able to give evidence on the issue, and only after the pros and cons are considered should legislation be drawn up.

Reliance on fossil fuels

Fianna Fáil’s Timmy Dooley outlined his party’s support for the Bill, saying it would lead to a strong shift away from the reliance on fossil fuels.

He said Fianna Fáil believes the government should be doing more to deal with the threat of climate change, stating that to look away and continue with business as usual would be “one of the greatest acts of negligence”.

“The introduction of the Bill by Smith forces all in power to acknowledge the threats facing the world when it comes to carbon emissions,” he said.

Dooley accused the government of “shying away” from their responsibilities to deal with the issue. While he said Fianna Fáil is supporting the Bill, it wants a number of concerns to be addressed at Committee Stage.

A number of exploration leases are already in place, he pointed out, adding that this legislation would ban all extraction licences. He said there are legal issues surrounding those companies who have already paid a lot of money for those licences, but he believes these issues can be teased out and addressed at a later stage.

“If the government will not change, then others must forge ahead without them,” said Dooley.

While the Bill can now proceed to Committee Stage, there are concerns the government could block the Bill at a later stage or water it down when amendments can be made to the wording.

Those who sponsored it hope it will have the same success of the private member’s bill on fracking which was signed into law last year.

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    Mute John Fergus
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    Feb 8th 2018, 12:13 AM

    Will the US, China, India the UK etc. follow suit. Somehow I think not, good old people before prosperity are hellbent on sending this country back to the Stone Age to facilitate their virtue signalling.
    The problem with Irish politics runs deep. Elements of the hard right want to give resources away for nothing whilst elements on the far left want to stop any development. Neither give a damn about the national interest.

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    Feb 8th 2018, 12:17 AM

    @John Fergus: Thing middle ground does not look to good either. We can spend billions on exploration only to find nothing or we can sell the rights, the oil company gets lucky and we get nothing

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    Feb 8th 2018, 12:41 AM

    @John Fergus: and if oil is discovered the Irish people only get a miniscule amount of any money generated. It’s just not worth it

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    Feb 8th 2018, 2:00 AM

    @Gareth Fitzpatrick: nationalise our oil and gas, whats wrong with politicians, have they no balls?

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    Mute David Murphey
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    Feb 8th 2018, 6:35 AM

    @Gus Sheridan: there is no oil. Over €300 million has been spent drilling for oil. Not one drop has been found. Nothing.

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    Mute Andy K
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    Feb 8th 2018, 6:51 AM

    @John Fergus: It doesn’t matter what the other countries do. We have to lead by example.

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    Feb 8th 2018, 10:29 AM

    @David Murphey: Yes, that is why it is so easy for us to ban it. If let’s say we had the oil resources of Norway, would we be so keen. Definitely not.

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    Feb 8th 2018, 12:10 PM

    @John Fergus: Climate change is very apparent today and relative to this bill. The last 50 years of fossil fuel dependency has had a detrimental effect on world climate. Instead of issuing more licences to vulture companies to strip us of any potential wealth. We need to have better policies in place to harness our zero carbon, fossil free natural resources like wind and hydro. Not encourage the exploration and exploitation of our coastal resources…

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    Feb 8th 2018, 12:25 PM

    @Andy K: Absolutely Andy. Little old Ireland lead by example in introducing a smoking ban in the workplace. This has been mirrored in many countries around the globe because it was seen as a health issue. If we had a government backed carbon free electric network and public transport fleet it wouldn’t impact in how people go about their business. But it would educate them to reduce whatever they can to help limit our carbon footprint… Just like the smoking ban helped lots of people quit smoking.

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    Feb 8th 2018, 3:03 PM

    @Gareth Fitzpatrick: Imagine if the news headline today was :

    Irish citizens will benefit from any future oil or gas find after new oil exploration Bill was passed.

    Why couldnt this be done ?

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    Mute Dave Doyle
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    Feb 8th 2018, 4:31 PM

    @Gus Sheridan: Their pockets have first consideration. Their balls come a poor second.

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    Mute Danny Rafferty
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    Feb 8th 2018, 6:10 PM

    @John Fergus: “Virtue signalling” a label one places on another’s argument when you disagree with it but can’t justify why.

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    Feb 8th 2018, 9:48 PM

    @John Fergus: climate change is taking us back to the stone age anyway, if not beyond it. I think this bill is a good one, though it will be watered down, and I work in the oil/gas exploration game.

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    Mute Tim McCoy
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    Feb 9th 2018, 10:03 AM

    @Paul Linehan: Paul – “need to have better policies in place to harness our zero carbon, fossil free natural resources like wind and hydro.” “government backed carbon free electric network and public transport fleet”. Have you considered cost or electricity availability in any of these fairy tale ideas? Hydro – the only way to increase hydro power output it to build more stations, i.e. more dams on rivers – you’re OK with that? which rivers? who pays for it? Wind – what happens to the grid when the wind stops blowing? They need to have reliable sources that are not affected by the prevailing weather conditions. Government backed carbon free electric network AND public transport – where does the electricity come from to power the addition electricity demand? government backed, i.e. subsidies, i.e. more taxes on the population. It’s a transition to lower carbon world that require fossil fuels to maintain the stability of the grid. Energy use cannot be compared to the smoking ban and shouldn’t be. You’re living in never never land!

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    Feb 9th 2018, 2:00 PM

    @Tim McCoy: “Wind – what happens to the grid when the wind stops blowing?” Power is re-rooted from else where in Europe;s up and coming integrated power grid!
    Plenty of other power sources, huge potential from wave energy and if we had the balls/political-will we could develop safe and modern molten Salt Reactors.
    But yes…unfortunately we don’t pioneer in Ireland. …we just suck corporate cock.

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    Feb 9th 2018, 10:57 PM

    @Ibhar Mac Suibhne: you’re joking?! I hope so! Wave – doesn’t work (already been tested in off the west coast of Ireland). Molten salt?? Come on!! Off to fairyland as well!!

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    Feb 8th 2018, 12:24 AM

    Here we go, the old climate change myth again.
    The usual suspects.

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    Mute Irish Spider-Man
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    Feb 8th 2018, 12:34 AM

    @Niccolo Saccho: what myth are you talking about pal?
    The seas are rising, hurricane activity is increasing at an exponential rate as is drought and the ice caps are melting.
    When the ostrich brigade like yourself get the head up we might stand a chance…

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    Feb 8th 2018, 12:39 AM

    @Irish Spider-Man: Ice at South pole is actually increasing….North pole decreasing….Hurricane activity in the Atlantic was higher in the 19th century

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    Feb 8th 2018, 12:41 AM

    @Niccolo Saccho: been reading those conspiracy theories again have we

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    Feb 8th 2018, 12:46 AM

    @Leitrim303: most conspiracy theorists think they are really intelligent more so than a large group of scientists that have been working on climate science for years. Go figure

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    Feb 8th 2018, 1:03 AM

    @Niccolo Saccho: And a few auld levies would not go astray either, just to keep our dependants, the governmental Lords, in the kind of luxury that they are used to.

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    Feb 8th 2018, 2:00 AM

    @Irish Spider-Man: all Irelands fault?

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    Feb 8th 2018, 2:15 AM

    @Irish Spider-Man: paper never refused ink….

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    Feb 8th 2018, 6:41 AM

    @Niccolo Saccho: Even if you DON’T believe in climate change, stopping using fossil fuels would mean less money going to questionable regimes, less of a reason for US or Britain to get involved in these countries, destabilising the region (Iraq and Iran being prime examples) and hundreds of thousands (at LEAST, estimate in 5.5 million deaths a year) people living longer due to decreased air pollution. It’s a no brainer.

    It’s a GREAT move.

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    Feb 8th 2018, 8:55 AM

    @Niccolo: Get yourself up to the Arctic and see what is happening there and come back and tell us the climate isn’t changing.

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    Feb 8th 2018, 2:01 PM

    @John003: source?

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    Feb 8th 2018, 2:18 PM

    @Patrick J. O’Rourke: That would mean him getting up off his arse,and actually doing something,other than weak trolling.

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    Feb 8th 2018, 2:24 PM
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    Feb 8th 2018, 3:01 PM

    @John003: From your own source: “The winds within that ice zone keep the water extremely cold, enabling the sea ice cover to grow in recent years EVEN AS GLOBAL TEMPERATURES HAVE RISEN MARKEDLY.”

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    Feb 8th 2018, 3:02 PM

    @Niccolo Saccho:

    Anybody who supported the bill should be legally prevented from using fossil fuels

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    Feb 8th 2018, 3:35 PM

    @Owen M: Most people who support the relentless use of fossil fuels won’t be around when they eventually run out (though in fairness, their children and their grandchildren might be around). But then, self-absorbed people will hardly worry about that small matter.

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    Feb 8th 2018, 4:19 PM

    @John003:

    I suggest you also read this excellent website for detailed analysis on climate change articles and news.

    https://climatefeedback.org/

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    Feb 8th 2018, 4:29 PM

    @John003: its cyclonic not actual temps that are changing in south pole

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    Feb 8th 2018, 4:36 PM

    @John003: Nonsense the South Pole is disintegrating and melting from beneath. http://time.com/4745827/antarctica-water-climate-change/

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    Feb 8th 2018, 5:09 PM

    @Irish Spider-Man: climate change is happening but not caused by our carbon footprint. Its a cycle. Just like the ice age

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    Feb 8th 2018, 5:39 PM

    @Irish Spider-Man: seas rising……..you are joking right?

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    Feb 8th 2018, 6:47 PM

    @Mick Curtin: if you deny climate change you are too stupid to take part in any discussion. It is absolutely, categorically, entirely, beyond doubt.

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    Feb 9th 2018, 6:49 AM

    @Niccolo Saccho: Show me one peer reviewed science paper, that is not a theory, stating that climate change is a myth. Go on

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    Feb 9th 2018, 7:14 AM

    @John003: You need to look at the bigger picture pal if read your own articles they say that both are still sighing of climate change, so you diproved you’re own point, fair play.

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    Feb 8th 2018, 1:20 AM

    The Scandinavians all have big fat pensions as a result of good management of their fossil fuel. Ireland on the other hand pissed it down the drain by the actions of a rogue TD. Watch the documentary ATLANTIC.

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    Feb 8th 2018, 7:56 AM

    @Dnomsed: pissed what down the drain? We have no oil. Not one drop. Over €300 million has been spent drilling for oil in Irish waters. Not one drop has been found. Nothing.

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    Feb 8th 2018, 2:07 PM

    @David Murphey: no oil but an unbeliaveble amount of gas. Two rigs currently extracting gas off the coast of cork. And then also the refinery up in mayo. Which funny enough, Shell have sold their rights too.

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    Feb 8th 2018, 2:23 PM

    @Dnomsed: there is no such thing as fossil fuels

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    Feb 8th 2018, 1:54 AM

    We might as well ban it. We give it away to companies like shell for free so what have we got to lose

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    Feb 8th 2018, 11:43 AM

    @Michael Devlin: gave what away? there is no oil to give away.

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    Feb 8th 2018, 2:04 PM

    @David Murphey: You aren’t a Gas man, are you?

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    Feb 8th 2018, 2:33 PM

    @Michael Devlin: Government makes close to €10 billion a year in licensing fees from the corrib gas field alone. It’s hardly free.

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    Mute Ian Kavanagh
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    Feb 8th 2018, 3:48 PM

    @ForeverFeel1ng: 10 billion a year !!!!! Norway makes just over 10 billion a year from its multiple oil fields ( 18 billion from gas ) and yet you claim Ireland makes 10 billion … SERIOUSLY ?

    Do you work for the department of Finance ?

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    Feb 8th 2018, 5:43 PM

    @ForeverFeel1ng: 10 BILLION EURO a year, really?

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    Feb 8th 2018, 5:59 PM

    @ForeverFeel1ng: Can you show evidence for this claim of yours…?

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    Feb 8th 2018, 5:30 AM

    Costa Rica, Belize and France are much warmer countries than Ireland. If we ban fossil fuel extraction then other countries will simply take up the slack and we will end up importing the fuels that we have denied ourselves or else build a few nuclear plants. Or maybe we must freeze in order to “save”the world. In an other analogy we had to saddle future generations with a massive debt in order to bail out the European banks.
    We should develop our resources and become self sufficient. Anyway climate is always changing it never remains static.

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    Feb 8th 2018, 5:46 PM

    @Micheal S. O’ Ceilleachair: Agreed Micheál, Norway didn’t give away its natural resources and they were nothing before they controlled their energy. The EU practically own our fish stocks.

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    Feb 8th 2018, 6:24 PM

    @Micheal S. O’ Ceilleachair:
    you managed to jumble a lot of crap in there with no thought. but your last sentence shows you have the same thought process as the healy raes. which means you’ll take the easiest answer that helps you

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    Feb 8th 2018, 12:26 AM

    It is too late.The effect will not stop any of the changes that have come into affect as a result of the carbon fossil fuel dependent society we are and will continue to be until the end.The end is nearer than some think.The recent reports of the increasingly rapid decay of the permafrost barrier are scary to say the least.The bird has flown.

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    Feb 8th 2018, 12:35 AM

    There is some evidence that global warming is slowing down..The global warming model has to deal with dozens of dynamic variables might not be entirely correct….

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    Feb 8th 2018, 12:52 AM

    We know the damaged caused yet we all still use what is provided and what makes our lives easier?! In my opinion, life is going so fast now we don’t stop to realise what’s important, for ourselves and the future! However “I’m alright” seems to work for most of us?! Partial recycler and smoker etc etc I am however, again my opinion.. but maybe we need to stop complaining and do something….?!

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    Feb 8th 2018, 1:30 AM

    @Alan Ball: ahahah the end is near hahahhaha

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    Feb 8th 2018, 1:59 AM

    @Vincent Mone: Agree, most of the problem is driven by the market which is us collectively.

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    Feb 8th 2018, 2:25 AM

    @michael heery: I prefer to read data that is presented without an opinion attached.I have a basic understanding of how to read it.The best site I find to look for accurate data is the NASA site.So far,in the last five years,the temp rises in antarctic is just over 2.4 degrees.When this figure reaches 8 the barrier will go into an unstoppable melt.It will disappear completely in a matter of a few short years,10 to 12 years,best estimate.Then we all die.If you think we have a right to exist and things will right themselves,good luck to you,I do sincerely hope you are right.You have no idea how much I hope you are right.

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    Feb 8th 2018, 5:54 PM

    @Alan Ball: Psychopathic warmongering superpowers (Empire) are a far greater danger to earth besides all this clap-trap about the phoney “climate change/global warming” and its immanent doom is nonsense. They’ve been fecking with the weather for some time and this year it’s going to be rolled out faster in their Geo-engineering programs to ‘block out’ the sun. Mankind playing God.

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    Feb 8th 2018, 6:27 PM

    @Mick Curtin:
    well done…you managed to compact all your arguments into “blame Mr.burns”.

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    Feb 8th 2018, 12:41 AM

    FF sold off all exploration rights for next to nothing years ago anyway

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    Feb 8th 2018, 1:12 AM

    @Simon O’Connor: This is worth a watch, how Norway prospered from exploration within our own EEZ

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    Feb 8th 2018, 1:13 AM
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    Feb 8th 2018, 2:12 PM

    @Simon O’Connor: Even the Oil corporations would not touch it, because it is too dangerous and difficult to extract. But lets pretend that Ireland is at the forefront of caring about the environment anyway by implementing measures to end all that oily activity in our waters.

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    Feb 8th 2018, 1:43 AM

    Grand, not voting for FF then. The other left lunatics – wouldn’t vote for them either. I don’t listen to uneducated people like these politicians talking about Science and Engineering. They might go and study thermodynamics, physics, fluid mechanics, chemistry, and electrical engineering for let’s say 4 years and if they pass all the exams they can come back for a chat based on fact. Talk about the blind leading the blind. These geniuses might let me know where France puts all its radioactive waste since France had such a plethora of Nuclear Power Plants.

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    Feb 8th 2018, 7:32 AM

    Good now Lets concentrate on building our electric charging point infrastructure around the country, promote solar tiles for our houses, encourage power pack so all the people in Ireland can avail of free electricity, and sell their surplus electricity back to the grid, encourage the change over to electric vehicle (EV) asap with government subsidies the future is here right now with (EV).

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    Feb 8th 2018, 2:21 PM

    @James Moore: Wait a mo. We haven’t finished counting the frogs yet!!

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    Feb 8th 2018, 12:50 AM

    Ban it there’s loads of better alternatives let’s lead by example

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    Feb 8th 2018, 12:07 AM

    Please do !

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    Feb 8th 2018, 5:26 AM

    40 odd years of exploration and all we have to show for it is 2 gas wells, if we were giving it away like some people think then the south & west coasts would look like Azerbaijan with people tripping over oil derricks. At this stage I’m not convinced there’s much out there so this really won’t make any difference.

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    Feb 8th 2018, 2:15 PM

    Global warming is the greatest con since “life begins at forty”

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    Feb 8th 2018, 2:37 PM

    @Joe Byrne: Science is an invention

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    Feb 8th 2018, 8:34 AM

    Considering our entire economy is dependant on fossil fuels I can’t see what good it will do until you have other means of production packaging and transport this is just posturing

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    Feb 8th 2018, 1:31 AM

    Easy to do when you don’t have any!

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    Feb 8th 2018, 7:31 AM

    I am sure that in future people will look back on this era as the dark ages in planetary science and astronomy, after all, a global society that believes it can control planetary temperatures by doing or not doing something is a spectacle of the wrong kind. Even the rigged system where the success of short term weather modeling bumped up to ‘climate’ while trying to scale up conditions found in a backyard greenhouse to the Earth’s atmosphere doesn’t seem to register with anyone.

    All planets in the solar system have their own climate with common traits by which comparisons can be made regardless of composition or distance from the Sun. This research is being prevented for some social/political agenda in a desperate need to tax people and dump anxiety on kids for no good reason.

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    Feb 8th 2018, 7:42 AM

    @Gerald Kelleher: you had me at ‘I am sure in the future’

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    Feb 8th 2018, 7:50 AM

    @alphanautica: Great ! , wonderful !, anyone else want to get it out of their system. It still means that you are part of this funny notion that people can control the planet’s temperature based on the flimsiest foundations.

    I would be amazed if one person could figure out why the temperature goes up and down daily as the modelers really believe the planet turns once more than the Sun comes into view each 24 hour day -

    ” It is a fact not generally known that,owing to the difference between solar and sidereal time,the Earth rotates upon its axis once more often than there are days in the year” NASA /Harvard

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    Feb 8th 2018, 8:21 AM

    @Gerald Kelleher: By ‘flimsy’ you mean decades of scientists working in a plethora of fields who mostly all come to the same conclusion.
    And scientsists are like cats – getting them to all go one way on anything is next to impossible. Yet they almost all agree on this.

    By what scientific knowledge do you base your ideas on?
    Becaus I find the deniers are just uneducated shouters who only hear each other.

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    Feb 8th 2018, 8:36 AM

    @Fozz: I did say I would be amazed if one reader here affirmed that our planet turns once each 24 hour day and a thousand times in a thousand days. This leaves the explanation why all those scientists who insist the planet doesn’t turn once each day -

    https://hypertextbook.com/facts/1999/JennyChen.shtml

    It isn’t rocket science, when accurate clocks emerged over 300 years ago they bypassed the Sun and the normal day/night cycle and appealed to the rotation of the stars -

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYy0EQBnqHI

    This is where they are getting the extra rotation from by trying to split rotation to the Sun as one thing and rotation to the stars as something else. Everyone experiences the Sun coming into view at dawn followed by the stars after twilight so it is one graceful motion that connects the experience.

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    Feb 8th 2018, 3:49 PM

    @Gerald Kelleher: You should really take your medication

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    Feb 8th 2018, 4:12 PM

    @Larissa Caroline Nikolaus: To be fair, you are really original on the outside (love your painted nails btw) but the trick is to be original on the inside, to be young and curious about your surroundings. One question may be why does that bright star show itself over on the horizon each day and disappear behind the opposite horizon ?.

    You ain’t going to answer it my dear if you believe the Earth turns once more often than 24 hour days as the modelers believe. People throw many millions of euros at the Governments of the world for nothing more than a computer generated hallucination, something like that ‘War Games’ movie I remember from my younger days except people are dead serious about ‘climate change’ computer modeling.

    People won’t grow out of ‘climate change’ bandwagon, they will grow into actual climate research on a solar system scale.

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    Feb 8th 2018, 5:11 PM

    Who keeps up voting this irrelevant nonsense??
    Many things are contributing factors to many natural systems which influence our climate. Gerald thinks doing some really deep ground breaking research into why we have a day and night and what Venus and Mercury happen to be doing on a given Tuesday is the only answer. It’s a shame as he has zero, and I do mean zero understanding of our climate. What it consists of, thermal properties of gases and their effects on temperatures, how the oceans jet streams regulate regional temps and climates, how melting fresh water have altered their paths, how surface albedo plays a part, how disappearing ice cover reduces it. How even small changes in concentrations of GHG’s can have long term consequences. Today’s emissions won’t be seen for another decade.

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    Feb 8th 2018, 5:17 PM

    @Gerald Kelleher: You need to go and lie down

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    Feb 8th 2018, 5:19 PM

    @Fozz: He’s a god head.

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    Feb 8th 2018, 5:20 PM

    @Derek: ” Gerald thinks doing some really deep ground breaking research into why we have a day and night”

    Today they are proposing that daylight Saving Time should be abolished in order to maintain the body clock and the day/night cycle to which our bodies are tuned. This body clock responds to a turning Earth so all these scientists modeling a belief that the planet once more often than 24 hour days is a symptom of what ‘climate modeling’ is as people can believe anything if it is pushed often and long enough.

    No doubt the Journal will produce a story later on DST but this is tied in with the dynamics for why we add an additional day and rotation after four years of 365 days/rotations.

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    Feb 8th 2018, 5:42 PM

    @Gerald Kelleher: Name one, just one scientist who equates the 24hr day is a symptom of ‘climate modelling’?
    You wouldn’t know what a model looked like if ones title was printed in large bold font above it in front on your face. It’s bloody ridiculous that every day you try equate the fact the planet turns to being the issue of the day regarding climate science and the enormous breadth of fields of study all witnessing accelerated rates of change which deviates from expected results. Even if we changed the definition of a second or day to any arbitrary number still does not account or explain the rate the planets avg. temp has changed so quickly in the last few decades. Humans concept of time, DST or how many day night cycles one wishes to associate with a year does not effect this fact.

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    Feb 8th 2018, 6:02 PM

    @Gerald Kelleher: It’s just another neurosis for our time. I would be happier to know that mankind wasn’t so filthy wrecking earth and where does all that used up toxic nuclear waste go? I bet someone in FF (Wicklow) area would find some cheap spots for the lucrative offload.

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    Feb 8th 2018, 6:09 PM

    @Derek: “Name one, just one scientist who equates the 24hr day is a symptom of ‘climate modelling’?”

    Lucky for you and all the other echo chambers that people wouldn’t give 5 minutes of their time to researching how their bodies respond to a turning Earth each 24 hours , why they feel the abrupt 1 hour difference when DST in enacted but not the extra day/rotation of February 29th after each 4 years.

    The ultimate insult is not believing that humans control planetary temperatures but rather that nobody objects to a modeling fiction that goes against their body clock -

    ” It is a fact not generally known that,owing to the difference between solar and sidereal time,the Earth rotates upon its axis once more often than there are days in the year” NASA /Harvard

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    Feb 8th 2018, 6:33 PM

    @Gerald Kelleher: I’m still waiting for one scientists name, who you previously slandered by fabricating your own narrative and generalise the entire scientific community.

    Humans have an circadian rhythm, which is an evolutionary trait, along with many other mammals. Your Feb 29th comment is typically just as ill conceived. Our dates system is completely arbitrary, do cats and dogs notice or care we add an extra day to our calendar every four years? Of course not because it’s simply a human construct which makes record keeping and our lives easier to manage and quantify. Every day’s a new day for them, human calendars are as alien to them as laser dots jumping around on a wall.

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    Feb 8th 2018, 6:54 PM

    @Derek: The key to understanding where timekeeping comes into a close proximity to the daily and orbital motions of the Earth is found in that extra day/rotation (Feb 29th) which keeps rotations and dates fixed very closely to the orbital points of the Solstices and Equinoxes. If people based the year on 365 days/rotations without the additional day then people would quickly discover the shortest and longest darkness would move quickly away from June and December 21st.

    People should enjoy the lesson how the ancients fixed the year and how, in dynamical terms, we pick up the 6 hours and a 1/4 rotation each year at the end of the 4th year (4 *365 days) to make a 24 hour day and one rotation that is February 29th. It is an exquisite human achievement is there were cultured people around to appreciate it instead of echo chambers for ‘scientists’ who can’t manage to correlate one rotation with one 24 hour day.

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    Feb 8th 2018, 6:58 PM

    Jetlag has the exact same effect on people as DST when suddenly their internal clock expects it to be still bright when it is now dark outside or vis versa…and your usual closing copy/paste irrelevant quote is still equally still irrelevant.

    For your own sake you really need to update the little library of stock phrases and random non relevant quotes you keep always on hand.

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    Feb 8th 2018, 7:07 PM

    @Gerald Kelleher: Gerald, just think about a tidally locked body like the moon. As it goes around the earth once, it also rotates once with respect to itself and the stars. It just appears not to rotate from the earth’s perspective because its rotation ‘timing’ is synced with its orbital motion. The same is true for all bodies in an orbital motion regardless of additional spins or not. Probably easier to think of retrograde orbits and spins as negative and prograde as positive when totting because there are four possible pairings of spin and orbit in a system. ie: prograde orbit & retrograde spin; retrograde orbit & prograde spin; both prograde ; both retrograde.

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    Feb 8th 2018, 7:15 PM

    @Gerald Kelleher: Maybe if you weren’t so condescending and insulting people might actually read what you post. You seem to have adopted the superior attitude of those British academics you despise so much that you have become one of them. I trust you’ve been practising your RP accent and have the appropriate attire for the society’s formal evenings.

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    Feb 8th 2018, 7:28 PM

    @Derek: The Irish once had the best traditions in the world in determining astronomical events with dates but most of it is lost to history and the empirical nuisances who have a habit of making things up as they go along.

    https://books.google.ie/books?id=7ld9DAAAQBAJ&pg=PA93&lpg

    There is nothing more exquisite than determining the number of rotations to an orbital circuit using a specific astronomical event, in this case the first annual appearance of the star Sirius. -

    “.. on account of the procession of the rising of Sirius by one day in the course of 4 years,.. therefore it shall be, that the year of 360 days and the 5 days added to their end, so one day shall be from this day after every 4 years added to the 5 epagomenae before the new year” Canopus Decree 238 BC

    What I wouldn’t give to discuss the dynamical ins and outs of the system everyone uses here today with somebody who admires what these people did in a way they admire Newgrange or any other ancient achievement. Instead I am stuck with people who can’t manage to relate the Sun coming into view each morning with one rotation of the planet !.

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    Feb 8th 2018, 7:38 PM

    @Patrick J. O’Rourke: People who can’t spot a mistake , even one this bad, shouldn’t worry about condescension as there is nowhere lower to go. You want to see where the mistake happened ? – didn’t think so but here it is anyway -

    “… our clocks kept so good a correspondence with the Heavens that I
    doubt it not but they would prove the revolutions of the Earth to be
    isochronical [constant]… ” John Flamsteed to Jonas Moore

    He was talking about this observation which bypasses the Sun for rotation -

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYy0EQBnqHI

    People make mistakes but that one created the celestial sphere universe of RA/Dec on which Newton founded his predictive agenda otherwise known as the clockwork solar system. I am not doing the condescending, I am pointing out the roots of modeling which passes off predictions as facts like those found in ‘climate change’. It is quite an amazing story that can be told with images and the actual words of the people who founded them.

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    Feb 8th 2018, 7:39 PM

    @Gerald Kelleher: Nothing you said is new or astounding. It’s called the Gregorian calendar, it calculates leaps years better than the earlier Julian calendar and as a lot of the time. What you post is correct but again irrelevant as you always diverge from the original topic to post your long poorly structured lectures. You retreat back to your usual rants when your cornered or called out on the level of nonsense and non factual claims and assertions you too often make regarding topics you clearly do not comprehend.

    Now again, name me one academic or even celebrity chef who equated 24hr day to any climate models, naming said model would also be appreciated.
    You not winning any prizes, respect or followers with your jumping and dodging answers when called on your claims.

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    Feb 8th 2018, 8:06 PM

    @Derek: What I post is new but that doesn’t mean anything other than pieces of a puzzle that anyone can put together with some effort and for their own satisfaction.

    The proportion of rotations to orbital circuits is 1461 rotations to 4 orbital circuits which reduces to 365 1/4 rotations to one orbital circuit using that specific astronomical marker the Egyptians noticed when Sirius skipped a first annual appearance after the fourth cycle of 365 days.

    The calendar system is based on formatting those 1461 rotations in blocks of four cycles of 365 rotations and 1 cycle of 366 rotations to a very close proximity hence it allows everyone here to mark the shortest or longest day of daylight on the Solstices as well as everything needed for daily life. It is not arbitrary as you would have it but exquisite and precise .

    You want prizes then play the lotto, I do it because it is there even if among an astronomical zombie culture.

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    Feb 8th 2018, 10:37 PM

    * Oops, that was 3 cycles of 365 rotations and 1 cycle of 366 rotations which complete 4 orbital circuits. There is no external reference for the 365 1/4 rotations and that caused a lot of trouble through the centuries.

    ** The observation the Egyptians used to serve as an annual marker was the first annual appearance of Sirius (brightest star out there) so they noticed it skip an appearance by one day after the 4th cycle of 365 days . Its first appearance is seen at the bottom left of the image -

    http://www.gautschy.ch/~rita/archast/sirius/heliacsirius.JPG

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    Feb 8th 2018, 12:38 AM

    This isn’t necessarily a bad thing but of course know it all commenters here are experts on everything . Perhaps in the future we can reverse this ban when the product is worth more.

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    Feb 8th 2018, 7:23 AM

    So all turf cutting is to be banned? Or will the parish pump override this virtue signaling?

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    Feb 8th 2018, 1:29 PM

    Putin absolutely loves this bill and would be delighted to see us more dependent on his oil and gas

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    Feb 8th 2018, 6:10 PM

    @Owen M: Royal Dutch Shell, BP, Statoil….they will all laugh. You cannot lay any blame on Putin for this nor for the election of Trump.

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    Feb 8th 2018, 12:08 AM

    Get that legislation as far to fcck as possible

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    Feb 8th 2018, 5:37 AM

    I guess if we hadn’t given away our Oil and Gas assets we would be in a serious bind, as we no longer own these rights due to serious ineptitude we should ban all this activity forthwith!

    Or at least until we can regain the rights given away by a few quislings for an opportunity to maybe sit on a Board?

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    Feb 8th 2018, 2:17 PM

    @Jarlath Murphy: Even the Oil corporations would not touch it, because it is too dangerous and difficult to extract from our stormy seas. But why not pretend that Ireland is at the forefront of caring about the environment anyway by implementing measures to end all the oily activity in our waters.

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    Feb 8th 2018, 3:24 PM

    @Patricia McCarthy: I am sure this is what the politicians were told decades ago by the oil companies that it was so difficult to get at and so deep. The Norwegians simply added anti-freeze at the wellheads and refined it out when it came ashore before pumping the anti-freeze back out to the well , keeping in mind the North sea is just as wild as the Atlantic.

    There was some corruption but Irish politicians were naive in the face of oil companies with cash resources bigger than some countries.

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    Feb 8th 2018, 6:55 AM

    Even if you DON’T believe in climate change, stopping using fossil fuels would mean less money going to questionable regimes, less of a reason for US or Britain to get involved in these countries, destabilising the region (Iraq and Iran being prime examples) and hundreds of thousands (at LEAST, estimate in 5.5 million deaths a year) people living longer due to decreased air pollution. It’s a no brain-er.

    It’s a GREAT move… of course the Gov will oppose it instead of joining the French.

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    Feb 8th 2018, 6:06 PM

    @Tony O’Regan: Constant war will sort those figures out for you Tony as there are enough of psychopaths running our world to control all these matters including the bogus science of climate CHANGE.

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    Feb 8th 2018, 10:03 PM

    @Tony O’Regan: Omg where on earth do u think electricity in ireland comes from? Gas fired power stations in Ireland and nuclear power stations in the Uk. Where do you think the gas comes from? That’s right oil and gas companies who drill for oil and gas. If you want 100% nuclear energy where do you suggest we dispose of spent radioactive isotopes? The ignorance on this site is incredible.

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    Feb 8th 2018, 1:21 PM

    Micheal Martin’s Fianna Fáil are an absolute disgrace, for hobbling future generations by supporting this utterly misguided and self-defeating Far-Left bill.

    This extremist and anti-national-self-reliance bill will, if passed, have to be repealed in the near future.

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    Feb 8th 2018, 12:05 PM

    At least FF are consistent in their opposition to fossil fuel exploration. The wonderfully incorruptible Ray Burke mysteriously away our natural resources in the 1980s for a song.

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    Feb 8th 2018, 2:22 PM

    @Ronaldo Blanc: Even the Oil corporations would not touch it, because it is too dangerous and difficult to extract from our stormy seas. But lets pretend that Ireland is at the forefront of caring about the environment anyway by implementing measures to put an end all that supposed oil extracting activity in our waters.

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    Feb 8th 2018, 2:33 PM

    Historic day my arse, we are still going to use gas and oil just let someone else( the U.K.) be the country that brings it in, then we pretend how eco friendly we are. All this does anyway is holds us to ransom by OPEC.

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    Feb 8th 2018, 2:39 PM

    @Brian Smith: Yes and oil and gas imports are up since 2010

    http://irishenergyblog.blogspot.ie/2017/11/oil-and-coal-imports-rise.html

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    Feb 8th 2018, 8:37 AM

    If the alarmists really believed they would all get rid of their cars and never fly again. Hypocrites

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    Feb 8th 2018, 12:10 AM

    Dumb.

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    Feb 8th 2018, 12:02 PM

    This is great news, we need to be moving away from fossil fuels fast. If we are to keep global temperatures within a safe climate 80% of the known fossil fuels cannot be extracted and burned. There are peers reviewed studies that show Ireland can be 100% renewable by 2050. We just need the politicals leadership!

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    Feb 8th 2018, 2:16 PM
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    Feb 8th 2018, 2:19 PM

    @Risteárd Maccurtain: ramblings of an idiot

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    Feb 8th 2018, 3:12 PM

    @Joe Byrne: Is peer-reviewed science the ramblings of an idiot?

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    Feb 8th 2018, 3:15 PM

    @Charlie Carlisle: Yes, unless we make changes we will keep using more, but this can change if the government policy changes.

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    Feb 8th 2018, 3:50 PM

    That secures and protects drilling rights for the foreseeable future.

    Good boy.

    Norway most prosperous country due to the nationalisation of it oil.

    Ireland most deprived nation in many ways due to the nationalisation of others Debt.

    Welcome maunder minimum

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    Feb 8th 2018, 4:45 PM

    @Ron: “In Norway, 98 percent of the electricity production come from renewable energy sources. Hydropower is the source of most of the production.” By contrast, Ireland has a target of producing 42.5% of our electricity needs from renewable energy by 2020.
    https://www.regjeringen.no/en/topics/energy/renewable-energy/renewable-energy-production-in-norway/id2343462/

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    Feb 8th 2018, 5:13 PM

    @EillieEs: If we had the hydro power potential that Norway has, we’d also get 98% of our electricity from renewable sources. France gets most of its electricity from nuclear power. We could also do that, but in Ireland we’re hysterically anti-nuclear.

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    Feb 8th 2018, 5:32 PM

    @Damon16: I wonder what France are going to do for baseline power in the future….. after Fukushima they said they were going to close down about 30% of their nuclear capacity. Considering they get a significant (+70%) amount of their power from nuclear, without fossil fuel and with the planned shut down of reactors they’re going to be seeing a huge energy deficit if they don’t increase their capacity for renewables. Unfortunately renewable energy is prone to severe technical issues and is subject to various climate changes…… makes you wonder.

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    Feb 8th 2018, 3:43 PM

    Had hoped Sinn Fein would be positive force in opposing the corrupt self serving FF FG & Lab establishment but they are going all trendy with new members who would have crossed street to avoid them during “Troubles”
    Don’t they have any idea how unreliable and how expensive Solar energy and Wind power is!
    Renewable energy is not a viable alternative to fossil fuel in the foreseeable future.
    Greenies and unscrupulous Politicians who are only interested in their own welfare are happy to lecture on Global warming as they jet set from Climate conference to Davos in the company of their new best friends in the energy companies.
    As usual it’s the poor who pay as these con artists make hay.

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    Feb 8th 2018, 2:03 PM

    GREAT DAY FOR PUTIN

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    Feb 8th 2018, 4:57 PM

    So where does Eamon Ryan’s electricity come from – the wall socket? Hot air streaming out of his mouth? How about our dependency on finite resources shipped over long distances? Nuclear fission isn’t ideal, but needs to be discussed in an Irish context.

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    Feb 8th 2018, 2:24 PM

    Well at least now our woefully inept and corrupt politicians won’t be able to give rights to Shell and BP as the did in the past

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    Feb 8th 2018, 2:38 PM

    @Joe Byrne: hopefully

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    Feb 8th 2018, 12:02 PM

    I am gone ban the use of my wallet. No point in having it as is completely empty!

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    Feb 8th 2018, 4:36 PM

    An empty assinine gesture, typical of Irish thinking (like banning nuclear).A substitute for reason.
    My 2 grounds for saying that
    1. No matter what happens anywhere we’ll still have huge dependence on gas and/or oil for domestic heating, at least, for many years to come. Let’s use our own fossil fuel with balance of payments and employment benefit and THEN ALSO
    2. Fossil fuels are the basis for plastics. Apart from the bad aspects of using plastics in the wrong way – a different issue – plastics are very important in e.g. medical devices inter alia.

    This reminds me of the 8th amendment!! Increasingly, with or without the 8th amendment and irrespective of what follows it, Irish women now have full unfettered choice to go to England or use the readily available abortifacient pill. Increasingly the removal of the amendment has little relevance – a big let-off for many of us who have reservations. The main real difference is availability or not of routine after-care.

    The same applies to the lip-service to Irish! Despite a huge part of teaching time it is going nowhere but we don’t address this because, once again, ‘it’s all right on paper’.

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    Feb 8th 2018, 4:48 PM

    @Patrick Duffy: Scotland is harvesting the energy of the wind and soon will be 100% renewable – so why is it so impossible for Ireland to do what Scotland has done.

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    Feb 8th 2018, 5:26 PM

    @Patrick Duffy: even with its huge gas and oil reserves 98% of Norway’s electricity production comes from renewable sources, mainly hydropower and cars running on fossil fuels will be banned by 2025. It really is beyond time that Ireland starts investing in its future.

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    Feb 8th 2018, 8:02 AM

    Ah sure we’re great! Now for the really important things that will make a difference..

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    Feb 8th 2018, 11:09 AM

    Weren’t the left also saying that the value of billions of dollars of oil that supposedly exists off the west coast had been given away for free by FF but “we” should reclaim the asset?

    A bit contradictory with banning exploration, no? Worth nothing at all if you ban exploration.

    Unless, of course, you accept the chance/likelihood that there’s very little out there. In which case the FF approach may have been right in the first place. Bet you won’t see people accepting that possibility.

    Hey ho.

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    Feb 8th 2018, 9:52 AM

    FG please, please support this, fossil fuel is so 18th century. Enough damage has already been done. End Fracking before it gets a chance to destroy the ground beneath us.

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    Feb 8th 2018, 2:18 PM

    @paddlingAlong: banning fossil fuels will bring us back to the 8th century

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    Feb 8th 2018, 3:44 PM

    @Owen M: modern tec/science didn’t exist in the 8th century, so no you are incorrect.

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    Feb 8th 2018, 10:20 PM

    @paddlingAlong: you cant have modern tech without reliable electricity

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    Feb 8th 2018, 2:06 PM

    It’s like shooting yourself in the foot.

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    Feb 8th 2018, 10:32 AM

    Oh those big oil companies raping our natural resources FOR FREE better up production fast

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    Feb 8th 2018, 3:57 PM

    I’m giving up smoking, I don’t smoke but that won’t stop me giving it up

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    Feb 8th 2018, 7:44 AM

    What’s gone with Fianna Fail. Voting for every silly Bill being proposed by the silly Lefties.

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    Feb 8th 2018, 2:35 PM

    Say what you will about the bill itself but the fact things like this can pass and actually be considered shows this ‘New Politics’ s**t might actually be working

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    Feb 8th 2018, 3:33 PM

    Looks like lots of climatologists, physicists, meteorologists are in the comments today. Of course you lads know better than the scientific community. You know, global conspiracy where all scientists have worked with governments to steal money through eco taxes. Yeah.

    In other news, I’ve a half price sail on tinfoil hats and unpulled other legs.

    Necessity is the mother of invention. I’m sure we’ll be well able to manage energy resources once we transition from the fuel source that creates an unimaginable amount of pollution, and kicks the can down the road so you can screw your grand kids over.

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    Feb 8th 2018, 3:47 PM

    @Fergus Flanagan: yep lots of, party faithful, science deniers here today. The mind bogies. Shame on FG , out of touch and only interest in helping mega big business as per usual.

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    Feb 8th 2018, 4:32 PM

    @Fergus Flanagan: “Looks like lots of climatologists, physicists, meteorologists are in the comments today. Of course you lads know better than the scientific community.”

    Okay, tell me what climate science would be like without the whole ‘climate change’ bandwagon ?. How would you describe the Earth’s climate as opposed to the climate of the planet Jupiter or the planet Uranus ?.

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    Feb 8th 2018, 5:24 PM

    @Gerald Kelleher: I’ll answer that. Hospitable to human life for the time being but there is great uncertainty if we exceed avg. global temperatures by 4 or 5 degrees, the planets ecosystem and biosphere simply does not have the ability to adapt at the rate at which we are currently witnessing. This should worry anyone who has children or hopes that their children will one day have children. This is our CO2 levels since 1958: https://scripps.ucsd.edu/programs/keelingcurve/wp-content/plugins/sio-bluemoon/graphs/mlo_full_record.png This rate of increase is unheard of for any other period of time and correlates with global temperature increase.
    Why are people listening to Gerald who doesn’t even accept that our moon rotates because, to us on earth can not notice it due to tidal locking.

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    Feb 8th 2018, 5:37 PM

    @Derek: ” I’ll answer that. Hospitable to human life for the time being”

    There is no mystery to planetary climate on a solar system scale and why each planet can be compared to any other.

    http://calgary.rasc.ca/images/planet_inclinations.gif

    The planet Jupiter has a 3° inclination so that there is no real change in conditions as it orbits the Sun so if the Earth had the same inclination there would be little or no difference over 6 months or a year. It would be roughly the same conditions people currently experience at the Earth’s equator with no change in daylight/darkness.

    The planet Uranus has an 82° inclination so there are huge changes across an orbital period so if the Earth had the same inclination there would be wild swings in conditions across most of the planet every 6 months or a year. It would roughly be the same conditions experienced by people inside the Arctic or Antarctic circle where massive swings in daylight/darkness occur.

    The Earth has a 23 1/2° inclination so it is towards the Jupiter end of the spectrum but with a sizable polar component where the swings of daylight/darkness are moderate where wonderful surface conditions for habitation occur over large areas of the planet.

    Planetary climate on a solar system scale is the rate of change in conditions across an orbit of any planet and that is determined by the degree of inclination.

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    Feb 8th 2018, 6:16 PM

    @Gerald Kelleher: Earth’s proximity to the sun, its size ratio to it and its inclination simple means the planet only experiences roughly a 111°C variance, – 55 to +55. Most important for sustaining life is that water is in liquid phase. If our inclination was anything else we may see day/night or seasonal ranges of unprecedented ranges, perhaps – 140°C to 300°C and life would simply never have occurred. Planets of earth’s size take billions of years to change inclination by concernable degrees typically by gravitational forces, impacts from large objects early in its history and passing stars gravitational effects.

    However, none of this explains the rapid increase & rates of change the Earths climate is currently under going which you have never once addressed in all your long rants.

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    Feb 8th 2018, 7:54 PM

    @Derek: ” Earth’s proximity to the sun, its size ratio to it and its inclination simple means the planet only experiences roughly a 111°C variance, – 55 to +55. ”

    You are all over the place as planetary climate has nothing to do with heat/cold as the Earth is colder than Venus and hotter than Mars so the broad range of distinctions between planets comes down to how fast or slow conditions change every 6 months from Solstice to Solstice or Equinox to Equinox.

    Using a common energy budget from solar radiation, if the Earth had the inclination of Jupiter then nothing much happens across all latitudes whereas an inclination like Uranus would generate wild swings in surface conditions across all latitudes .

    Inclination determines where the Arctic and Antarctic circles are in relation to the orbital plane so a 3° inclination ( like Jupiter) would have a very small circumference where the surface is in complete daylight or complete darkness on the Solstices whereas if the Earth had the 82 ° inclination of Uranus then the maximum circumference in complete daylight or darkness on the Solstice would cover most of the planet’s surface .

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=612gSZsplpE

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    Feb 8th 2018, 10:34 PM

    @Gerald Kelleher: I’m all over the place? FFS man, I’m speaking like a normal person in relation to us, inhabiting this planet, you know, the whole Climate Change conundrum affecting us…on Earth!!!
    What have you said in the last 6 months that can explain the accelerated rates of change in global temperatures? Or explain the drastic rise in CO2 in the atmosphere, levels not seen in 100,000 years when it should be half what it is today.

    If we are all living on top of mountains and getting around by canoe, with billions of people displaced or dying of food shortage or dehydration what good will you waffling on here be telling us the inclination of Jupiter? How does that help anyone??

    A planetary climate does not explain the conditions we (I don’t know what planet your on) are currently experiencing on the planets surface, unless you have some credible proof that “conditions change every 6 months from Solstice to Solstice or Equinox to Equinox.” have some how drastically altered recently? Then I’ll entertain your waffle, because right now, on a article about oil exploration rights nothing you have mentioned so far has me convinced it plays any part in the abnormal changes relating to climate change. I know it does’nt and I know you know it doesn’t which is why you so adamantly dump short essays here daily on pointless waffle related to nothing being discussed.

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    Feb 8th 2018, 11:32 PM

    @Derek: I have to hand it to you, fair play but you are wasting your valuable time.

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    Feb 9th 2018, 8:29 PM

    @Gerald Kelleher: Stop. Just stop. You cherry pick a singular article, then follow up with some random youtube video. Your first response was to ask whether it would happen without the “climate change bandeagon”. You’re a loon.

    You’d rather nobodies on youtube give you your “facts” while completely dismissing the majority of the experts on the matter. You’ll use your half cocked partial misunderstanding of several esoteric disciplines to obfuscate any argument going.

    Scientists don’t wagon, the method is based on recreation or disproval. Not conspiracy theories from conservative whack jobs.

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    Feb 8th 2018, 4:21 PM

    So it’s back to the bog then

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    Feb 8th 2018, 4:46 PM

    @John Mcloughlin: or we could join more progressive economies and start investing more in renewable energies.

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    Feb 8th 2018, 6:36 PM

    Ironic considering our corrupt corporate governance politicians gave away all our natural resources

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    Feb 8th 2018, 2:42 PM

    Had hoped Sinn Fein would be positive force in opposing the corrupt self serving FF FG & Lab establishment but they are going all trendy with new members who would have crossed street to avoid them during “Troubles”

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    Feb 8th 2018, 1:27 AM

    How stupid !!!
    Ireland needs all the lollies that it can get to pay down debt and not economically enslave future generations. As an island we have oceans of gas & oil prospects.

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    Feb 8th 2018, 3:39 PM

    @Moorooka Mick: Heard of climate change?

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    Feb 8th 2018, 4:32 PM

    @Moorooka Mick: Not much use vast plumes of methane and Mercury are seeping out of the melting permafrost and the planet turns into a toxic hot house.

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    Feb 8th 2018, 4:14 PM

    Easy decision. Ireland has had the most unsuccessful fossil fuel exploration record of any country on earth. 3 natural gas Wells and an undeveloped small oilfield in over 40 years of offshore exploration. It’s a no brainer.

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    Feb 9th 2018, 6:16 AM

    @Michael Fehily: So the decision is justified because there’s no hydro carbons anyway? Nobody is suggesting that Ireland is Norway, if we had Norwegian reserves this would be a courageous decision but the reality is that this is just headline grabbing nonsense.
    The cost of exploration/production of hydro carbons costs the Sate nothing and the majority of our natural gas comes from indigenous resources, giving the State considerable energy supply security.

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    Feb 8th 2018, 5:43 PM

    We Irish love making rules,and then not following them.

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    Feb 8th 2018, 7:19 PM

    What a total waste of Dail time. Typical left wing nonsense. All about gestures not practical solutions. Let’s put Palestine flags on every petrol station or some other crazy stuff.
    Why did they not put into law that 5 percent of all fossil fuel discoveries must be ring fenced for Health.

    Clowns

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    Feb 8th 2018, 5:08 PM

    What a bold move! Forgoing the billions worth of exploitable oil and gas reserves off our coast in order to protect the environment for future generations. Yeah right…. there’s precious little in the way of oil or gas off the west coast and they know it. Hollow virtue signalling at its most pathetic.

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    Feb 8th 2018, 4:22 PM

    Fantastic news – green is the new future- we have enough wind to power the country many times over – though cutting down trees and building wind farms on forestry land defeats the whole purpose as does bio wood that is the new coal – not green at all. S Australia is leading the way in battery storage – the future is green.

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    Feb 8th 2018, 6:49 PM

    @GO GREEN: South Australia has worlds most expensive Electricity and it is very unreliable.

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    Feb 8th 2018, 8:51 PM

    @Joe Byrne: Times they are a changing in S Australia – it has already the largest grid-connected lithium-ion battery system in the world and this is just the beginning. http://reneweconomy.com.au/musk-says-storage-orders-surge-on-success-of-tesla-big-battery-63587/

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    Feb 9th 2018, 2:15 AM

    @GO GREEN: The Batteries are a useless diversion to distract from Govt’s purchase of Hundreds of huge Diesel Generators which are burning thousands of litres of Diesel fuel in desperate effort to keep Electricity grid functional.

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    Feb 8th 2018, 4:43 PM

    Those people who think Antarctica is not meting and not disintegrating are living on a different planet or else they are slaves of Big Oil Take a look at these photos and see the disintegration yourself http://time.com/antarctica-climate-change/

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    Feb 8th 2018, 8:16 PM

    If we were serious we’d address where Ireland is actually damaging the environment instead of nonsense hypothetical laws. What next: Ireland to ban dumping waste on the moon.

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    Feb 8th 2018, 12:11 AM

    Idiots

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    Feb 8th 2018, 2:35 PM

    @James Hickey: who?

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    Feb 8th 2018, 6:29 PM

    An

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    Feb 9th 2018, 6:08 AM

    This is headline grabbing nonsense. If we want to reduce our carbon emissions, let’s stop unsustainable rural development of one off housing that makes Ireland one of the most car dependent countries in the World.

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    Feb 8th 2018, 10:49 PM

    dumbest thing i have heard in a long time

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    Mute Michael Groarke
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    Feb 10th 2018, 9:52 AM

    Typical Ireland. Politicians who only have the mental capacity to talk about potholes are now committing a serious action of self harm on the nation. The Irish media and politicians have been taken over by lunatics and they are hell bent on turning our country into a lunny bin. Belize and Costa Rica? Great club to join! France has Total, one of the world’s major oil companies so they have massive resources of oil and gas around the world they can access.
    When did Ireland become so stupid??

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    Feb 12th 2018, 10:10 PM

    Your article makes timely our new book on the climate emergency, “Unprecedented Crime: Climate Science Denial and Game Changers for Survival” (Clarity Press, February 12, 2018, https://www.amazon.com/Unprecedented-Crime-Climate-Changers-Survival/dp/0998694738).

    Co-authored by IPCC expert reviewer Dr. Peter Carter, the Foreword is by Dr. James Hansen, formerly chief climate scientist at NASA, who refers to the “overwhelming case” the book presents that the public, and especially young people, are the victims of unprecedented crime.

    Fortunately, Hansen says, the book also reports on hundreds of zero-carbon solutions that the media of the Global North high-CO2-emitting countries are steadily down-playing in favour of fossil fuels and pipeline development.

    Calling this book “an indispensable read for citizens and policy-makers,” Prof. Lawrence Torcello of the Rochester Institute of Technology, cites the book as a

    “damning case against fossil fuel companies and their political agents, showing that discounting of global warming in pursuit of short term profit is a crime against humanity. In this excellent, well-researched book, the authors map the global effort needed to survive the challenge of global warming.”

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    Feb 8th 2018, 3:53 PM

    Jesus 1st common sense from government

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    Feb 10th 2018, 1:14 AM

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