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'Male celibates advise the Pope on what women really want, that is ludicrous'

The former president said women aren’t ‘mysteries’ or ‘strawberries on the cake’, despite what popes have called them.

MARY MCALEESE HAS challenged Pope Francis to “develop a credible strategy for the inclusion of women as equals throughout the [Catholic] Church’s root and branch infrastructure”.

The former Irish President made her comments in a speech at a conference in Rome about women’s roles in the Church.

Speaking to reporters ahead of the conference, Dr McAleese called the Church an “empire of misogyny”.

In her keynote speech, McAleese said Pope Francis needs to develop a strategy “with targets, pathways and outcomes regularly and independently audited” .

“Failure to include women as equals has deprived the Church of fresh and innovative discernment; it has consigned it to recycled thinking among a hermetically sealed cosy male clerical elite flattered and rarely challenged by those tapped for jobs in secret and closed processes.

It has kept Christ out and bigotry in.

“It has left the Church flapping about awkwardly on one wing when God gave it two. We are entitled to hold our Church leaders to account for this and other egregious abuses of institutional power and we will insist on our right to do so no matter how many official doors are closed to us.”

McAleese was speaking at the Why Women Matter conference, which was organised by Voices of Faith to mark International Women’s Day. The event made headlines last month after it emerged that the Vatican barred McAleese and another speaker from taking part in the event, a move put down to their stance on LGBT+ issues.

The conference was due to take place in the Holy See, but organisers moved the location so the barred speakers could take part.

‘Strawberries on the cake’ 

Noting how Pope Francis previously described female theologians as the “strawberries on the cake”, McAleese said in her speech: “He was wrong. Women are the leaven in the cake. They are the primary handers on of the faith to their children. In the western world the Church’s cake is not rising, the baton of faith is dropping.

Women are walking away from the Catholic Church in droves, for those who are expected to be key influencers in their children’s faith formation have no opportunity to be key influencers in the formation of the Catholic faith. That is no longer acceptable.

McAleese referred to the fact that Archbishop of Dublin Diarmuid Martin recently felt compelled to remark that “the low standing of women in the Catholic Church is the most significant reason for the feeling of alienation towards it in Ireland today”.

She noted that Pope Francis has previously said “women are more important than men because the Church is a woman”, asking him: “Holy Father, why not ask women if they feel more important than men?

“I suspect many will answer that they experience the Church as a male bastion of patronising platitudes to which Pope Francis has added his quota.”

‘Mystery of women’ 

Referring to former Pope John Paul II writing about the “‘mystery of women”, McAleese said: “Talk to us as equals and we will not be a mystery.”

“Francis has said a “deeper theology of women” is needed. God knows it would be hard to find a more shallow theology of women than the misogyny dressed up as theology which the magisterium currently hides behind,” she stated.

In 1976, the Vatican issued a document saying the Church “does not consider herself authorised to admit women to priestly ordination”.

McAleese said this has “locked women out of any significant role in the Church’s leadership, doctrinal development and authority structure since these have historically been reserved to or filtered through ordained men”.

Just imagine this normative scenario – Pope Francis calls a synod on the role of women in the church and 350 male celibates advise the Pope on what women really want. That is how ludicrous our Church has become.

“How long can the hierarchy sustain the credibility of a God who wants things this way, who wants a Church where women are invisible and voiceless in Church leadership, legal and doctrinal discernment and decision-making?”

McAleese said “a cure” for the exclusion of women from the Church is “freely available”: equality. She added that, for things to change, women must be listened to but “are left to talk among ourselves”.

“No Church leader bothers to turn up, not just because we do not matter to them but because their priestly formation prepares them to resist treating us as true equals.”

McAleese said only “a Church of equals is worthy of Christ”, adding: “The time for that Church is now, Pope Francis. The time for change is now.”

Read: Mary McAleese says it’s ‘pure codology’ that women can’t become priests

Read: International Women’s Day 2018: Here’s what Irish women need

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    Mute Martin Sinnott
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    Oct 19th 2013, 1:06 PM

    Nice bill for the taxpayer !

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    Mute John Fahey
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    Oct 19th 2013, 1:12 PM

    Indeed – why should Ireland’s figure head promote Ireland in countries that are up and coming? Should stay here with us and moan about things whilst doing nothing!

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    Mute Bill Butler
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    Oct 19th 2013, 1:12 PM

    great he can visit some of our finest down there ,and by the way is he still mixing with the knobs from Ernst a Young you know the guys that fiddled the books in Anglo to make it look like a profitable bank,

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    Oct 19th 2013, 4:25 PM

    It is essential that the president does his job and promote Ireland – like any high ranking member of a corporation.

    But I fail to understand why Mrs Higgins – or any spouse – is going. She wasn’t elected though you’d think she was with all the coverage.

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    Oct 19th 2013, 8:29 PM

    Ah she has to look after the hobbit…er… President!!
    Funny though that ” De Prisident” isn’t going to two countries that have a huge Irish ancestry pouplation second only to the USA .That’s Argentina and Paraguy!! Maybe because they are nasty right wing Junta states.But its all right to visit fellow revoulitionary red states that have about as much in connection with Ireland as we have with outer Mongolia.

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    Mute Philip Mullen
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    Oct 20th 2013, 12:54 AM

    This is a Republic. Our President is due some respect. Hobbit comments are a disgrace.

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    Oct 19th 2013, 1:08 PM

    Another parasite on this country ,

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    Oct 19th 2013, 1:21 PM

    Hopefully he gets caught in peru too

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    Oct 19th 2013, 3:14 PM

    Maureen
    Since the foundation of the State we have elected a succession of Presidents who have served us well and some even magnificently.
    For seven years they represent us at home and abroad and echo the Nations need to connect with others at a Social and Economic level for long term betterment of our people.
    With one vulgar and offensive word you attribute a characteristic to this man and Office that is wrong and unnecessary but typical of small minded bitterness!

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    Oct 19th 2013, 4:43 PM

    do you use andrex to wash your face dick?

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    Mute Richie Rodgers
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    Oct 19th 2013, 4:51 PM

    Paul Nelly
    What a weird question!

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    Mute Paul Nelly Nelson
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    Oct 19th 2013, 4:54 PM

    the penny has a parachute…

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    Oct 19th 2013, 8:03 PM

    Do trade missions have any economic/trade benefit?

    Canadian research says no.

    http://www.nationalpost.com/story.html?id=a8009d33-da9c-4b46-8c7c-5ae9d10c5c45&k=54156

    If Mr & Mrs Higgins and Costello want to go on a jolly they should pay for it themselves.

    It is a vulgar exercise considering the deprivations many are experiencing at home.

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    Oct 19th 2013, 8:31 PM

    “and some even magnificently.”
    Dare you to name one!!! I DOUBLE DARE you ..Name us one president that has served us well or magnificently!

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    Mute Seán Ó Briain
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    Oct 19th 2013, 10:10 PM

    Parasite me hole. He’s one of the few respectable politicians left in this country. I’m happy to have him as our president. Stop whining, you whingebag.

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    Oct 19th 2013, 2:02 PM

    No austerity for El Presidente, the party goes on and on for the golden circle. These guys are oblivious to the poverty affecting tens of thousands of Irish people. They take medical cards and telephones from the elderly and this silly old Labour Party leech swans off on a 12 day holiday. Bet he won’t have to spend any of his €250,000 salary either.

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    Oct 19th 2013, 2:34 PM

    Hear, hear!

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    Oct 19th 2013, 8:45 PM

    Have to say i agree,its obscene for the head of state of a bankrupt country to go swanning off on a ten day meet and greet holliday to south America,the local Irish embassy could do a similar job at a fraction of the cost.

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    Oct 19th 2013, 9:02 PM

    Why have we a president in this country, just an excuse to waste at least half a million a year on salary , expenses staff etc and then like the two Mary’s a massive pension and for what ? ???Wanton waste , money should be going to help the elderly or special needs children retain their medical cards !

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    Oct 19th 2013, 9:59 PM

    Look if we couldn’t pass a referendum to get rid if the seanad, then it is unlikely we would pass a referendum to get rid of president

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    Oct 20th 2013, 10:15 AM

    Hear hear again, the money it costs to send all them spongers away for what ????? Jobs me arse

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    Oct 19th 2013, 2:02 PM

    He does us proud aboard

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    Oct 19th 2013, 3:43 PM

    will RTE be covering the trip?
    no doubt we will be getting fawning updates, on the daily news.
    after all, – they are they ones that got him elected as President

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    Oct 19th 2013, 1:08 PM

    If he does his hair up in a bun we will see what he is really at.

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    Oct 19th 2013, 1:46 PM

    Long live the San Patricios!!

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    Oct 19th 2013, 8:22 PM

    Yeah support traitors to the country that they signed alliegence to and then deserted…Sounds very Irish alright.

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    Oct 19th 2013, 3:30 PM

    Total waste of money.

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    Oct 19th 2013, 2:23 PM

    Mexico is in north america

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    Mute Morticia
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    Oct 19th 2013, 2:35 PM

    Ah, but why

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    Oct 19th 2013, 2:36 PM

    Mexico is in Central America!

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    Mute Paul Nelly Nelson
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    Oct 19th 2013, 2:40 PM

    nope, its in north america

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    Oct 19th 2013, 2:42 PM
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    Oct 19th 2013, 3:14 PM

    Ok, you’re right. Mexico is in North America geographically. But Central America is a political/cultural region. It’s also where Mexico is. what you’re saying is the equivalent of ‘Iraq is not in the Middle East, it’s in Asia.’

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    Oct 19th 2013, 3:32 PM

    Nafta (North American free trade agreement) puts Mexico in North America.

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    Oct 19th 2013, 3:33 PM

    Iraq is clearly in the Middle East. Go find yourself a map!!!

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    Oct 20th 2013, 12:42 PM

    Mexico is north America. Not central America. Ask a Mexican

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    Oct 19th 2013, 1:10 PM

    Will they never learn?

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    Oct 19th 2013, 1:42 PM

    Is he gone via the government jet? If not, is he flying first or business class? How many is there in his entourage? Where is he staying? In the Irish embassies or in 5 star hotels? Does the purpose outweigh the cost? What is the cost financially? What benefit will the trip bring to Ireland? I need answers people!!! lol

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    Oct 19th 2013, 1:59 PM

    Declan
    This isn’t a Government Information Bureau. Until you discover the true purpose of the Journal maybe you should stop posting.

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    Oct 19th 2013, 2:11 PM

    Poor little dickie. Rodgers

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    Oct 19th 2013, 4:06 PM

    @Declan You’re right to ask these questions. I lost all respect for Michael D Higgins this week when his Office was given an extra €225 thousand. Im sure the DOF didnt just offer him this money. He must have asked for this increase to his budget. Indeed its an absolute disgrace that his budget was increased as was that of Enda Kennys to the tune of €300 thousand to pay for more staff!

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    Oct 19th 2013, 5:24 PM

    Richies an employee yevonne…..can ya see where the money’s being spent.
    *Waves at all the shills and ministers reading*

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    Oct 19th 2013, 1:54 PM

    So long as he doesn’t disguise it in 50 packs of soup.

    Its not likely to work.

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    Oct 19th 2013, 1:44 PM

    Drug mule

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    Oct 19th 2013, 6:43 PM

    Why is president yoda over there in the first place..Ireland does not need a president ffs!

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    Oct 19th 2013, 8:16 PM

    A waste of taxpayers money!

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    Oct 19th 2013, 4:10 PM

    He’ll be going loco down in Acapulco if he stays too long.

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    Oct 19th 2013, 3:36 PM

    Enrique pena nieto,this article spelt the name wrong for our Mexican friends

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    Oct 19th 2013, 11:04 PM

    Who gives a shit.

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