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THERE IS NO difficulty paying the household charge if you want to pay it, junior finance minister Brian Hayes has insisted despite contradictory statements from senior ministers over the weekend.
After Social Protection Minister Joan Burton said that arrangements were being made for the €100 flat tax to be paid at the Post Office, Environment Minister Phil Hogan’s department said that this was not the case.
The confusion has led to criticism of the government and Hogan over the handling of the controversial tax which is the subject of a countrywide boycott and with just over a fifth of those who are required to pay it having done so ahead of the 31 March deadline.
The latest figures from the Local Government Management Agency (LGMA) show that 363,478 households have registered to pay the charge. This includes 35,277 properties which have registered since Friday afternoon.
Hayes said he did not think there was any difficulty in paying the household charge and accused some people of “pretending” there was.
“If you want to pay it, there’s no difficulty in paying it. That’s the blunt truth of it,” he told TheJournal.ie earlier today.
“You know people pretending that it’s difficult to actually pay this… there might be some examples of older people in particular in rural areas, but if you want to pay it, in the great majority of cases you can pay it.”
Hayes said that he was confident there would be “significant up-take” between now and the 31 March deadline this Saturday. The households which have registered so far represents a total amount received of €36.3m. The government expects to raise €160m from the interim measure.
He also admitted that the government would need to “learn lessons” from the household charge issue ahead of the expected implementation of a more permanent property tax which a review group is currently examining.
“Any time you introduce a new tax it’s always difficult. People don’t want to part with their money and I fully understand that,” Hayes said, adding: “We need to learn lessons from this in terms of the implementation of a property tax.”
The environment spokesperson for Fianna Fáil Niall Collins has repeated his party’s call for the deadline to be extended, criticising the “chaos” of the government’s collection policy.
“The government now faces the very real prospect of the majority of households not paying on time, and the cabinet have become increasingly shrill and incoherent,” Collins said.
“Ministers are still creating total confusion over payment methods and many people have found the entire process inconvenient and confusing.
“Despite the failure to implement the policy in a fair, rational and articulate way, the government has refused to budge on their unrealistic deadline.”
Hayes would not be drawn on any talk that the deadline could be extended and said he would encourage people to pay before Saturday.
Meanwhile, the Campaign Against Household and Water Taxes (CAHWT), has said that it plans another protest following last weekend’s event at the National Stadium.
The protest group said it would rally at the Fine Gael Ard Fheis at the Convention Centre in Dublin this Saturday.
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There’s no difficulty paying it Brian, just no one actually wants to.
You beat me to that simple point :)
And we’re funding the state how exactly?
We are not able to find the state because we are held over a barrel paying back unsecured bonds or don’t you read the news!
Try again…
http://economic-incentives.blogspot.com/2011/11/deficit-and-banks.html
“If we do a simple counterfactual and magic away the €62.5 billion we have pumped into the banks, the projected deficit for 2012 would fall from €13.6 billion to €12.8 billion or 8.0% of GDP. Eliminating the effect of the bank payments would knock 5% off the deficit; 95% of next year’s deficit is not related to the bank payments.”
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/finance/2012/0323/1224313766388.html
“Three claims are frequently made:
* Most public debt is a result of taking on banking debt;
* The economic and budgetary outlook would be transformed if banking debt could be offloaded;
* A bailout would not have been needed had it not been for socialised banking debt.
These claims are, respectively, plain wrong, wrong and debatable.”
You don’t need to justify the spin to me Gary, I’m well versed on it. A spade is still a spade no matter how you dress it up.
dear god. The first link is a very respected professor of Economics in UCC and the other is the economics editor of the Irish times. I’m sure if I look I can get other economics experts to back these up. As far as I can tell you have no economic experts backing your campaign, just a load of people who feel hard done by.
I’d hope most people would be interested in the facts, not some conspiracy theory rubbish which you seem to be pointing to.
@Gary: suggest you read the comments and response on that first link. The situation is not as simple as you are presenting it here.
Where’s the conspiracy theory in €3.1billiin payout that dosnt have to be paid! Look I’m not interested in having a debate because quite frankly I’d win, I’ll bow out gracefully and save you shame but the fact remain the same. See you out side the are feis, I’ll presume you’ll be inside! :D
Gary “Im just a concerned citizen” Clowry.
How much do they hope to raise by this household charge?
Oh,,, and based on ur 5% of deficit is banking debt for this year,
how much does that come to?
And Gary, just answer the 2 questions with maths figures,
Thanks
@skeolawn. Actually it’s pretty simple. We’re spending far more money than we have, so we need to raise taxes and make cutbacks. Not nice perhaps but very simple.
@Ryan. If you actually read those articles you’ll see just how little difference that 3.1 billion actually makes to our overall debt pile. Don’t get me wrong I’m not saying I’d choose to pay it but since the money is being loaned to us to pay it, it makes no difference right now to our deficit.
@Joseph. You asked a question which is answered in the text I quoted above. Did you even bother to read it?
“projected deficit for 2012 would fall from €13.6 billion to €12.8 billion” if bank debts were removed.
yes citizen clowry, i did read both of them.
i just wanted u to do a little maths.
once again gazza,
How much do they hope to raise by this household charge, this year anyway?
How much again gary will the IRISH PEOPLE pay towards the banks this year?
someday u might understand,
tho i accept it wont be today.
keep drinkin the kool-aid!
I will never pay this….EVER
the straw that broke the camels back.
i tell a lie.
When they tell the banks to FO,
and the gov works for the minimum wage
whilst this crisis goes on,
and berties and flynns etc pensions are cut off
then ill happily pay it
We have a long tradition of resisting unjust taxation.
http://www.irishmidlandsancestry.com/content/laois/people/lalor_peter.htm
@Joseph.
“How much do they hope to raise by this household charge, this year anyway?”
160 million I believe.
“How much again gary will the IRISH PEOPLE pay towards the banks this year?”
Nothing it’s all borrowed money.
There’s a household charge?! Why haven’t i received an invoice for this “charge?”
If i pay (which i cant because i haven’t received an invoice) then will i receive a receipt?
I didn’t receive an invoice for my self assessed income tax returns- should I not pay income tax?
That’s what self assessed is Killian you returned it yourself as you registered yourself for income tax. Your returns are based on your income not an invoice you receive from revenue.
Hi Maria that was my point- I did not receive an invoice but I was obliged to register and pay, if I did not it would be tax evasion. There is a fundamental flaw to the ‘they didn’t invoice me’ argument.
Listen up…..THE WELL IS DRY…and it’s not ‘won’t pay’ or ‘don’t want to pay’, for lots of people it’s CAN’T AFFORD TO PAY’
Don’t panic. Remember the audience’s reaction on Friday night. That sound came from within. This country is sick of being called upon to bail out inept politicians, greedy bankers and fearful Markets!
The fine for not paying is only €10 for first few months going up to approx €40 after a year. The government has to bring everyone to Court to levy this fine.
If we all stick together we have this won. Stand by your neighbour who may not be able to afford this payment not by a government that threatens its citizens!
Join the national campaign. Details of your local branch from http://www.householdtax.org. And be there on Saturday
Sorry forgot to include details.
Protest March this Saturday, 31 March from Garden of Remembrance at 1pm to Fine Gael Árd Fheis at Convention Centre on the Quays. It’s time to be heard.
And one more time for the laugh. How are we funding the 14 billion overspend this year exactly?
OK Gary. Once more with a feeling… €14bn overspend. You guys have got to get over your borrowing addiction.
House prices are continuing to fall. People are going to find themselves deeper in negative equity and some will end up in arrears. When are these fools in government going to realise that we need debt forgiveness. As a country and across the board.
Who the hell thinks it’s natural to have to go into huge debt to have the basic human right of shelter? The feckin banks. That’s who. I’m blue in the face talking to you re this Gary. Get it thru your head. It’s #NotOurDebt
Sorry I hope it didn’t sound like I was shouting at you. ;)
Sounds like bad management gary, but bend over, and keep laughing
copy and pasted from the other household thread
“jasus gary,
ur clearly soooooooooooooo in favour of this
that you’re willing to dispute any and everything
that No campaigners are saying,
even down to how many people were in the stadium.
yeah, i know ur argument will be
‘i keep asking and no-one will answer,
all i hear is lies’
but gary, seriously,
i don’t believe anymore than u are simply
just a ‘concerned’ citizen.
the lady doth protest too much!!! “
Who needs debt forgiveness? the people who signed contracts for large sums of money & want to hold onto an assest and not pay for it and keep it for free? is what your talking about? what planet are you living on!! in what parrallel unvierse do you get FREE money and get to keep the asset. DELUSIONAL
@Réada. I have no overspending addiction. That doesn’t stop me understanding basic economics. As I understand it for every 10% you cut government spending you have up to a .8% cut in growth. So cutting that 14 billion quickly will lead to slashing government services, ps pay and social welfare. It would cause a huge knock-on effect in the economy which would lead to further cuts and on we go down the spiral. Very very dangerous thing to do. The people who would get hammered in this situation would be the people who rely most on government services and social welfare, i.e mostly the poor. So for a supposed lefty you don’t seem to give a shíte who gets caught in the blow-back of your little fantasy.
@Joseph. Once more with feeling… I’m not “in favour” of tax increases and austerity. I’m just not in some fantasy where we can not have more taxes and not have more austerity and still pay our bills. Reality can be a bitch.
gary,
u got kids?
Hi reada iv said this to you before I love your comments on here and am behind you all the way. Good luck on Saturday I’ll be with you in spirit.
Hi Daffy my duckie. Why won’t you be there in person? If it’s cos it’s too far of a waddle we’ll do it for you ;)
Gary you don’t mind if I ignore you. You’ve my patience worn. It’s Martin Mac with his punt pic I want to talk to.
Are you trying to tell me, Martin that anyone that wanted to set up home for themselves or for their family over the last 15+ years wasn’t entitled to get affordable accommodation? Shelter is a pretty basic human right imo. What planet are you living on?
I’m not suggesting that mortgages should be written off but they should be reduced. Banks valued these houses for mortgage purposes too, yet it’s only the owner pays the brunt? It was easy cheap credit that drove house prices through the roof.
That and a corrupt government and opposition. If there’s anything we can be grateful for now it’s that at last we have a decent opposition in ULA/Sinn Fein. I’m hoping they’ll be our next government next year when this shambles disintegrates. So don’t tell me I’m delusional. I CAN SEE CLEARLY!!!
The US is working on a mortgage writeoff right now, rabid capitalists that they are, they don’t allow an economic theory to stand in the way of practical decisions (unlike Europe). The US economy will grow this year while the EU economy looks likely to shrink by at least 0.3%. Why? They learned the lessons of the Japanese banking crisis, and didn’t prop up zombie banks. TARP cost $400bn, just $133bn has yet to be repaid. The ECB has put $1.3 trillion in place so far and hasn’t delivered anything like the same results.
And Gary, that’s in part my answer to your comment above. I don’t think we can continue living beyond our means. That said, it’s a question of which taxes (and when) and where the money actually gets spent. I would like to see Irish taxes spend on providing good efficient services to Irish people. So long as there’s no reform at Irish or EU level I will be voting No.
@Joseph. I assume you going to do the ole “Will someone please think of the children’ thing there. It’s irrelevant if I have children (though I do). The only relevant thing here is how we fund the 14 billion gap between tax and spending. How is that exactly?
Reada you are living in some little fantasy land and yes you are delusional! Typical Irish people these days! They sign the big contract for loads of cash, they live it up, think they have a Devine right to own a house yet most of the rest of the world rents. The Irish people over extend themselves and buy a house they could not afford in the first place, the Irish person who tops up the mortgage to get a newer car and kitchen and extension “cause everyone else is” the Irish person signs another big contract for more money! …and then when suddenly the Sh-t hits the fan they start blaming everyone else and I’m not paying this I’m not paying that but I want to hold onto the house and car though cause it was not my fault! It’s sad and pathetic to see this attitude and lack of responsibility. As the saying goes ” people are very quick to share all there negative equity and bad loans on the way down, but did not want to share the profits and money on the way up” stop trying to pass your bad decisions o to the tax payer and own up to the contracts you happily signed for! Every other country has had bad people in charge and went through the same recession and repossessions and gave started again. Loads of people did not make bad decisions and saved money during the fake bubble!
Jesus Martin. You’re in great form. Be sure to tell your kids all about Santy and Easter Bunny. And don’t forget about the Tooth Fairy. They are some nice fantasies.
Much nicer than the reality that booms and busts suit some perfectly. It’s all a con lads. A lot of rich people getting a whole lot richer. Most of the money used to fuel this boom was just fake numbers on a computer screen. Unbacked by gold. Cop the hell on. Ye’ve been had. And while the self righteous feeling you have Martin might drag you through the bad times, it can’t feel very nice to be looking at those around you in trouble with some false satisfaction that they deserved it. I’m sorry for you if you do. Truly.
Until they become conscious they will never rebel and until after they have rebelled they cannot become conscious.
€2 a week now €20 a week by 2020 that’s another reason why people wont register to pay!!
I think the public are well conscious now, after listening to the roar of approval that Luke Flanagan TD got on the Late Late the other night.
That was the sound of the coffin being slammed shut on the household charge.
Not sure which annoys me more the outdated outmoded Late Late show or Ming the Mercilessness both seem to be from a different era
nice tan jerry,
just back from Malaga again?
Is Big Phil going to screw us?
http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/hogan-sorry-for-inappropriate-comments-187553.html
I consider myself one of the lucky ones as I am on my own in the house.
I feel sorry for all the people who live in households
Its such an infair tax, If I had to pay it I wouldnt. NO WAY.
Not going to pay so go sing for it. Watch out Phil hogan is going to call to your door for the money ha, ha best one I ever heard.
Brian you muppet majority of householders have chosen not to register and pay as we are fed up of being screwed over! I could stomach it if it was 100 euro every year but everyone knows it will be 500 euros for majority of home owners plus water charges next year, so no I choose not to pay!
Hogan wants to fleece the poor whilst his big earning buddies are still getting nearly 50% tax relief on their pension contributions! Fascists!!!
Go ask Bertie for mine. Not my fault the country is in this mess. I managed my budgets and didn’t go mad. So please stop boring me with figures who paid. I don’t care.
Well then you can afford €100.
I am sick of this spin…its only €100.Its €100 to register….next year it will be way more…at what point will you not be able too afford it L? By the then it will be too late for you, you will HAVE to pay because you registered as it was ‘only €100′ So good luck with that.
oh look, there’s L,
the laziest and least imaginative troll ever!
The confusion lies with the incoherent government.!! There is no confusion on the part of the public. We are not pretending not to be able to pay. But quite simply WE ARE NOT PAYING. When are they going to wipe the sleep out of their eyes.. Unbloody-believable!
I refuse to cooperate with the government on this tax & in doing so I am peacefully protesting at the unfair distribution of tax already collected from me, such as unsecured bond holders, the waste in health & education, TDs inflated salaries & outrageous pensions, developers salaries from Nama & corrupt politicians pensions. I could go on but I’m starving.
Sorry one more thing I must add. The bullsh*t I was given in the GE campaign is right up there aswell… Now dinner..
They wont say what percentage of those are exempt and stil have to register. A high amount id say. Dont register, dont pay, dont panic and dont listen to government spin. In fact between now and 31st March I am switching off any TV or Radio programe that mentions hsehld charge ! Not reading anything either. Bye all ..
Not all who are exempt have registered, I found out last week that I am exempt, I have absolutely no intention of registering nor are a lot of people I know who are exempt. We need as many people opposing this as possible.
If you don’t have access to the Internet where do you pay? At the council offices? Not that I would pay, just curious.
Just drop it into the banking corporation of thievery or Anglo for short.
You can go to the post office, fill out a form and post it with a check or a bank draft.
Sorry Lisa cannot help you there I have not received any information on the HHC and any information I have heard about it has been on RTE RADIO AND TV and that information is changing by the day I cannot keep ip with it all
BUT I AM SAYING HERE AND NOW I AM NOT PAYING THIS VERY UNFAIR AND UMJUST CHARGE
I pay for local services though my families income tax Phil HOGAN and Enda and boys can Fcuk fof hive Roscommon Back our A&E and I might think about paying ( hehehe not)
Same as last crowd no difference there, so out of touch, and one year in Government my God.
I truly believe that this lot can do more damage in the short term that the FFers ever did in decades (and that’s something because I really really dislike the FFers)! And don’t get me started on the ‘we inherited this mess from the last party’ when ate they gonna start delivering the change people voted for.
Contunity FF along with a crowd of rabble rousing spoofers that come out of sinn fein the workers party by the limo route to their present reincarnation as Tories.
Bray dump seems a long long time ago.
yeah there’s ‘NO DIFFICULTY in paying house hold charge’?!?!?!…. Logistically maybe, what about financially…. ??! Grassholes.
No problem in paying if your a td living it up in the dail and you can claim it back in your exspenses
Between 250 and 300 million spent on the Mahon findings. Would the governments past and present not kept a better eye on this and spent the money on much better things. How can this be justified???
Now trying to bully people into Paying 100 per house, 160 million when people are loosing their jobs, wages are being cut and the country is on their knees?
They will have to pry it from my stone cold dead hand Fuking corrupt shower of mother fukers
can extend his deadline till nxt yr… still wont be paying it.
Prepared to pay the fine then.
Won’t pay the charge, why would I pay the fine? Not a hope of getting either.
if im not gonna the pay the charge why would i pay the fine???? next year IF and thats the biggest IF in the world, the charge is still 100 euro ill concider it fine and all. .. but i think bertie has a better chance of becoming taoiseach again!!” ha
You won’t have a choice. It’ll be deducted at source or failing that it will remain as a charge on your house and will be deducted from your sale proceeds.
keith,
deducted at source me hole
That’s pretty much the kind of post I’d expect from you alright.
try this one keith,
i fart in phil hogans general direction :-)
This is typical FF ineptitude, just what we’ve come to expect over the last 15 yrs. Hold on a sec …
I wish Gary would just search for other economic opinions besides referring to the non-independent ones. I will say this, I am an OAP and I receive 30 euro per week above the poverty line 2011, ref social justice. I paid for over 40 years, and the last budget left me 20 euro per week poorer, the budge before that left me 14 euro poorer. I don’t have holidays, and I have extremely poor health service. I am not going to put myself under the poverty line by paying any more to the bottomless pit. Gary if you did your maths you would find that our debts both private, and sovereign are unpayable in the longer term, unless there is a massive re-employment of people, either that cut all those shouting the loudest and who earn around 3000 euro per week by about 50%. We cannot continue to pay these immoral wages while others barely exist. So like a good man would you ever take off the blinkers, and read up on the reality facing some of us. I will bet you that we will need a second bail-out by the end of the year. Austerity does not work, and research Greece.
Dear Micky
I will be honest here if I were you I would not pay either . looking at your circumstances above it seems that your only asset is your home which is Mortgage free . If you don’t pay your service charge now it will go from 100 to 184 and will continue to grow due to penalties etc year on year however as this charge will not be collected by the state until the property has to be transferred in ownership you have very little to fear ,
However if you have direct descendants who you plan to leave it to why not ask there advice and ask them to pay the 100 for you if they so wish .
The tax will be collected one way or another it just depends on when and how much.
As an aside I new a person (self employed) who refused to pay tax while Chalie Haughey was in office as he felt he was a crooked .
This man died two years ago and following and audit from Revenue wife at 85 is left with nothing ,while his tax of 15k related to the Haughey era the interest and penalties amounted to 200k
Both Haughey and the man are dead but wife left in poverty so much for principles
Oh I know full well the reality facing us. I have been self employed for 12 years and employed for 20. And when the rug was pulled out from under me in the recession do you know what I was entitled to? Nothing, that’s what. And here I am after suffering the worse period of financial problems in my life calling for people to do what needs to be done. As I said reality can be a bitch but we repeatedly voted for the shíte we’ve put ourselves in. It is very sad there will be cutbacks and taxes increases… they will hurt me badly, yet they will still need to happen.
I can’t speak for pensioners generally but my own father is retired and he lives quite comfortably.. And he is not, nor ever has been a wealthy man. What is your gross income? because I’m interested in how you say “I receive 30 euro per week above the poverty line 2011″.
Get lost hayes
He is a smug looking dick
not looking kieran,
IS a smug ……
Please please continue to believe you’re right! Because when the blow is delivered I’ll get much pleasure from seeing you squirm when you realise the percentage of non-compliance will be reflected in the votes you receive in the next general election.
I bet his driver can afford it as the ministers drivers are retired senior Garda on good pensions. You would think they would give the jobs to unemployed drivers – just to help out one family in these days of emigration
I see comments above looking for leaflet drops and letters to every household. Is it just me that thinks we should not be wasting money on printing junkmail?
Especially when we are short a few cartridges…. ;)
House Hold charge I do not agree with as I think the money will not be used as they say but…. I also 100% DO NOT agree with any debt forgiveness rubbish. Hand over the keys or move down a house size or go rent like the rest of the world. You get nothing for free in this world. Its really sad that Irish people think they can just hold onto and asset and not pay for it. Laughable. The only good thing about the house charge is that it might stop idiots wannabe landlords buying up loads of properties now caus you better believe that in 5 years you could be paying upward of 2,000 a year on all your properties and this country is going to be in a hole financially for decades!!
What an arsehole, hand back the house or pay rent? well now, what about the families where two parents have been made redundant and they have two or three children to support. And these are families living in a two or three bed house. Dont you think if they could afford to pay rent they would pay off their mortgage? Loving the sense behind that
Well considering WE are bailing out the banks and WE are bailing out the bondholders, how about they impose a €100 ‘household charge’ tax per every €10’000 we bail out. They’d soon have their money.
Look into your hearts people, theres loads of broken paths around, think about the paths.
Awww, ur right. Those poor broken paths ;)
It is called a household charge……….a misnomer if ever there was one, as that in itself implies that every household has to pay it.
This is very confusing.
However, my husband and I duly read the final reminder card that our friendly postie brought today, and it is only those unfortunate property owners that are obliged to both register and pay.
We tenants, although a “household” in the true sense of the word, do not have to do anything.
Lol here……….. most succinct comment I’ve yet to read on this issue……….. nice one!
The tool. I’ve paid it but typical FF are do desensitised to what is going on that they don’t realise some people in this country don’t HAVE 100 quid to spare and even if they did, it would probably get swallowed up by increasingly expensive petrol or just the extra VAT we got slapped with. What a tosser.
Can we stop pretending the elderly are all on the breadline? “maybe some old people in rural areas” are you kidding me? People with no mortgages and one of the most generous public pensions in the world?! They aren’t the “most vulnerable” or any other tokenistic nonsense like that: they’re the sacred cow demographic of the Irish electorate.
generous pensions???…are you an ex td’s kid?
Eoin.. Who gives a sh*t if they are not all the most vulnerable, they worked hard & paid their way, aswell as putting up with hardship & poverty, the like that you & I will never see. So what if they are the ‘sacred cow’ they deserve to be.
Do have you any idea of the amount of grandparents pick up the slack for this governments lack of affordable childcare? Do you have a clue how many are helping their kids with their mortgage? I have met loads of pensioners while canvassing door to door that are very worried about this charge. People who weren’t going to pay on principle but who have been frightened by this boot boy government. Most fears I was able to alleviate but it’s a rotten government that threatens its elderly and vulnerable.
just wondering if the local authority offices will be open Saturday? how much will that cost the tax payer!
I hate that Tosser with a vengeance ..
Why do I see a Sinn Fein government coming, Wolfe Toner cartridges and all?
I have an idea. Instead of a Household Charge let’s have an Arsehole Charge, the amount of the charge will be based on just how big an arsehole you are. The whole thing (excuse unintentional pun there) will be based around a sliding sphincter scale from the highest band (complete arsehole) to the lowest (ok but still an arsehole). The scheme would be based on submissions from the public both by telephone, post and internet. I sincerely believe that we could clear the entire national debt from the returns from Dáil members alone. This bold and imaginative new source of financing could be followed up by other innovative schemes such as a bullshit levy charged on a per word basis as well as a Tax On Secret and Surreptitiously Earned Revenue Scheme (tossers tax).
Good one mark!
I suspect there would be plenty of change left over too
to give us all a nice dividend!
tossers tax…… LOL
Mark. You used to have quite reasonable posts. Love these new ones tho! Fine Gael are doing a great job of creating monsters. I see red everytime they open their mouths.
@gerry We are governed by consent, and the people have final say in all matters.
Regards the planeload of OAP’s coming from Malaga, they like me have more than likely been through 2/3 recessions, they like me have paid dearly, and if they provided for their pensions themselves then they surely are permitted to go on holiday, but it sure does not meant that they are computer literate, so cop on.
I’m just waiting for the money trees I planted. When they mature I quite happily will pay!! This charge is unfair and yet again the ordinary people of this country pay for the greed of others. I appeal to all to stay strong and don’t be bullied or coerced into paying. Strength in numbers.
TD means Total Dickhead – they all are.
I do love the whole excuse of people not paying due to not been able to pay at a post office etc ,I just returned from Malaga on a Ryanair flight, this flight was packed to the Gills and the average age of the passengers was about 70 …… not sure where tickets were bought but I can guarantee you it wasn’t the post office . There might be reasons for people not paying this tax but please do not use either the lack of information or the places to pay this tax as an answer.
If you do not want to pay fine don’t pay and be prepared to pay the back taxes at a later stage but please stand up for yourself and don’t be typically Irish and try to use some bullshit reason for getting out .
The ministers are worse to be listening to these arguments
They have been elected democratically to bring in laws and they should do so end of story
The people will have the the chance again to elect others in 5 years time
em,
Yes Jerry
Jerry, I was going to pay the tax until I heard hogans threats of amending laws to gather mine and others data so they can take our money. I agree with you regarding the not paying,post office spiel. As a government, voted by the people, they have pissed me off and many other Irish folk. They have the power to change law, as they see fit, yet fuck us over!where is the justice?i understand services have to be paid. overspending?? Bad management, bad leadership, bad government decisions, a tribunal thats just slapping us in face like a dog getting its face shoved in its own piss. Nothing has changed, How is it my fault. Give me money, il fucking gamble it. Ah rant over. Pass the vaseline..
Last time i checked the payment options where not implemented correctly. Problems paying online upon launch, lack of knowledge of making it easy for people to pay, that is post office for non tech people or online via enter address then pay,not requiring other details. No database containing all houses liable to pay. These are all basic components left out that would result in you being fired if you where designing a system for a company. Now throw in awarding contracts to friends, all pojects running over time and budget and ask yourself what exactly your €100 euro is funding?
People who dont bother paying it will be fined and brought to court and also if you dont pay the fine you will go to Prison. Once you go to Prison you will have a criminal record.
:-)
Oh No, cant go to heaven if u have a criminal record :-(
good we will be joining the so called elites
As been said by all concerned including hogan,nobody will be sent to prison. The reason for the court date will be to get access to the accused bank details or details of any social welfare payments they might receive so the money and any fines will then be legally taken by the bully boys.
Don’t think they have enough space in our prisons for that , come to think of it can you imagine what this protest will do to the court system? Bullyboy hogan has fu*ked up on a major level here & I for one am going to enjoy watching the start of the end of this government.
Not true. On the late late show the other night the minister said prison was not going to be sought in these cases
criminal record?????
Fucking badge of honour would be more like it!
If taken all the way in court you would have a civil record but never a criminal record. Don’t pay!
Who the hell do you think you are ?. @ you better etc.? You think that you can threaten the Irish people, after all they have gone through?. Feck you, you toad. Do you think that Irish people are going to listen to the likes of you and your threats ?. You are gravely mistaken, if you do. We are going to turn this country around and we are going to make sure that lickspittle chancers, like yourself will never again, have a part to play in our rise, or our demise!. We at last, are one.
Straight forward question here, If I were to pay the €100, who will know? can anyone find out if I’ve paid it? As in neighbours, local councillor ect
No they wont…. And judging by the fact that the this government can’t even organise a leaflet drop or an easy way to pay… They wont be able to figure out whether you’ve paid it or not either… remember your dealing with complete incompetence on a level higher than we ever seen before in this country…
Thanks charlie
Hayes is a poor example of somebody who is going to rescue our country. God help us.
Household charge to fund local services , fire, refuse, water etc.Will this end bin charges, fire call out charges etc if this is the case I’m all for the charge but I suspect it will more than likely go towards the wallet busting wages of senior management .
its called a household tax to pay for local services, so does this mean that local authouity housing estates be excempt from these services . Also where is the fairness where people in local authority houses have bought their homes and are obliged to pay this charge, and their neighbour is renting from the local coucil do not have to pay this charge Also who will over see this money at local level ,and will it create jobs.
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