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'Everybody said our beer would never sell in Ireland - luckily, we've proved them wrong'

Michaela Dillon’s career took her from making dresses on Broadway to starting a brewery in Roscommon.

I’M ORIGINALLY FROM Roscommon and my husband and business partner Richard is from Drogheda, but we met in New York where we were both working for a brokerage firm.

I was working on the IT side, and he was a trader before eventually leaving the corporate world and starting a photography business.

In late 2011, I found out my job was being moved to Phoenix. I went home that night and said to Richard, “I’m not moving to Arizona, I want to go home.”

I loved New York – it’s a great city – but it kind of sucks you up and spits you out. We’d built a house back here in Roscommon, and I just wanted to come home.

The pull back to Ireland was family, because there were now nieces and nephews that I only saw on Skype or met twice a year when I came home.

We were used to the variety of beer in New York – there are craft pubs everywhere – and we were avid homebrewers there as part of the New York homebrew club.

But we were coming back and finding there was so little variety here, so we started going to visit some of the few smaller breweries that were up and running just to pick their brains.

From there it happened very quickly. We started writing a business plan for a brewery, and when my job was moved we just said, “Let’s see if we can get this business off the ground.”

From dresses to IT

My original career, before IT, was dress design. I finished school in Ireland and studied at Grafton Academy in Dublin. In the final year, we visited one of the commercial patter-makers on the North Wall.

We’d been doing fashion grading – changing the sizes for patterns – by hand in class, but I went to this business and it was full of computers. After that, I realised I’d better do a computer course.

I completed a year with Nixdorf in Bray and a few years later a computer science degree, but I was still making wedding dresses and evening gowns on the side. Then I moved over to London and worked in IT there, and about a year in I got a green card for the US.

I went over to New York in 1990 and I started work as an embroidery and costumer designer for Radio City Music Hall shows like the Rockettes and the Barnum & Bailey Circus.

It was my favourite job ever and I worked there for about five years, but in New York you just couldn’t survive on that money because the work was so seasonal.

I supplemented my income with night shifts as a computer operator, and I ended up going into IT full-time in around 1996.

For most of the time I was in the US, I worked for brokerage firm Charles Schwab on the call centre side. They had five large call centres around the country with over 16,000 agents, and I was working on the call-routing software.

I got to do a lot of travel because the call centres were all over the country. I also got to open up a London branch when they expanded into the UK; that was great, because I could just pop over here to visit family.

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Returning to Ireland

As soon as I got laid off, I came home for a month for some interviews I had lined up. To start the brewery we needed one income, so I found work for a telecoms firm in Galway. Richard wrapped up what he was doing in New York, and he followed a few months later.

We sourced a used brew kit from Dublin and we started looking for suitable locations for a brewery. Richard spent more than 12 months getting everything ready to actually start brewing here in Roscommon.

We brewed our first commercial batch in July of 2014, and it was released in August. That was our first beer, which is Sheep Stealer. Roscommon people are known as the Sheep Stealers, so it was a bit of a nod to our local area.

It was a challenging process because it took a long time; bureaucracy, basically. We knew what we wanted to do, but you’re waiting for planning and a host of others to weigh in and give you the thumbs up.

We also wanted to make sure we got the recipes right, because when you’re brewing 10 hectolitres of beer the last thing you want to do is make a mistake and throw it down the drain.

Proving people wrong

When we initially came up with the idea for the brewery there was very little choice in the pubs around Ireland – and still around here in Roscommon, you go in and it’s often the same three taps in every pub.

Five years ago, if we wanted any different style of beer, we probably would’ve had to go to Cork or Dublin. Richard is passionate about brewing, so his mindset was, will I go and work for somebody else or will I work for myself and start this?

It was one of these perfect storms of wanting to do something different and looking for what’s missing that we can provide.

We got some odd looks and people saying, “Why would you brew, sure haven’t we got Guinness?” People just didn’t understand why you’d want to have something different.

When we wrote our business plan there were about 12 independent brewers around the country. When we opened our doors, there was about 27 and now there’s just over 100.

But everybody else was mainly doing stouts and red ales, and our favourite beers are Belgian styles. We started out brewing Sheep Stealer as a Belgian saison-style beer, which is a beer traditionally made over the winter for the farmers to drink in summer for refreshment.

Everybody said, “What’s that? It will never sell in Ireland.” Luckily, we’ve proved them wrong, because it’s now our bestseller and several other brewers are also making saisons.

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Investing your savings

Between us, a private investor, some grants and a small bank loan, I’d say we’ve spent in the region of €250,000. We’ve put most of our savings into the business.

But we’ve been careful – we have our house and we still have my wages. We were very clinical about this: there’s the business, and then there’s us and our personal futures.

I do all of the admin stuff – payroll, inventory, stock control, paying invoices, managing finances.

We have a brewer, Glen, who has been with us for nearly three years. He and Richard will tell you that brewing is the easy part; it’s running the business and the selling that takes up the most time.

I think our biggest mistake has been not having our distribution set up when we opened the door. We should have been doing it ourselves from the beginning and building those relationships with customers instead of relying on someone else.

It’s the hardest part in Ireland – there are very few distributors and the ones that understand craft beer keep a limited portfolio of products.

We’re making a bigger push to do our own distribution because at the end of the day we’re the only ones that know the beer and the story behind it.

We’ve had lots of sleepless nights worrying about hitting sales targets and keeping the bills paid. But then we’re very lucky that we were able to do this. We took a risk, but if things don’t work out we can walk away.

We had an open day last June and we had a couple in – the husband was saying, “I’d love to start a brewery.” But he just couldn’t do it between money, family and other commitments.

And the way we look at it is we had an opportunity because we don’t have those kinds of commitments; you have to weigh up what’s worth stressing about, really.

Giving advice

We get a lot of requests for advice from people looking to open their own breweries. It’s a fantastic idea if you do it right, but right now the market is saturated.

Unless you have somebody who has come into you and said, “I’ll buy X amount of beer from you every month,” and that will keep you paid, it’ll be difficult to make ends meet.

You really need to have exports – we have a good export market to Russia, we have beer in the US and we’re working on France, Italy and other markets at the moment.

We’re on the road constantly, because it won’t work if you’re sitting in the brewery and nobody knows about you. We never leave here without samples, because you never know who you’re going to meet.

There’s another full-time job just building contacts, getting samples out and getting feedback, and following up. You can’t just visit someone once and expect them to ring you back, they won’t.

This year is about growth. We want to hire at least two more people, but we’re not looking to explode. We just want to keep expanding the business, particularly our local customer base.

When we opened, we had to concentrate on the larger markets like Dublin and Cork, and exports for volume. But now we’re putting a lot of focus on our local pubs and outlets. We want people to look on us as their beer of choice for Roscommon and the north-west.

Michaela Dillon is the co-founder of Black Donkey Brewing. This article was written in conversation with Peter Bodkin as part of a series on unlikely entrepreneurs.

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    The NHS website on mpox states that it is usually a mild illness for most people and resolves by itself within a few weeks.

    Is there a US election coming up and postal voting needs to be justified?

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    @Lewis Armstrong: good grief. They don’t need to justify postal voting in the US, it’s allowed in 33 states as a right, and most of the rest under certain circumstances. They don’t need an epidemic or pandemic. I guess your post and all the likes it got, just goes to show how many stupid people there are out there. Who knew.

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    Aug 15th 2024, 2:11 PM

    @Lewis Armstrong: The NHS is referring to Clade II from West Africa, which caused a global outbreak a few years ago. This outbreak involved a different strain, Clade I from centra Africa. It’s a much more severe disease.

    Mpox, formerly known as monkeypox, is a viral disease caused by the monkeypox virus, a member of the same viral family as smallpox. It was first discovered in 1958 in lab monkeys imported from Africa, however its natural host is more likely several species of rodents. The first human case was recorded in 1970 in a 9-month-old boy in the Democratic Republic of the Congo (DRC). This region eliminated smallpox just 2 year earlier, so Doctors were initially fearful it was the return of smallpox, but that was soon ruled out and identified monkeypox (mpox).

    The virus is now endemic to parts of Central and West Africa, where it historically caused small sporadic outbreaks, but in May 2022 the virus spread outside West Africa for the first time, likely due to a mutation that increased its contagiousness. This was a much milder form of the disease.

    There are two main clades of the virus:

    1. Clade I, found primarily in Central Africa

    2. Clade II, found in West Africa and responsible for the recent global outbreak [1].

    Clade I mpox poses a threat due to its potential for sustained human-to-human transmission and its ability to cause severe illness, particularly in vulnerable populations, pregnant women and children.

    Also, while the previous global outbreak that involved milder clade II primarily affected adult men who have sex with men, it had a fatality rate well below 1%, the DRC outbreak involving Clade I is much more virulent (severe) and predominantly affects children, with recent data showing that children under 15 years of age account for 66% of cases and 82% of deaths [2]. Clade 1 has a much higher case fatality rate than Clade II, of around 3.6%–4.9% (though there may be many undiagnosed cases, and if so, this might be an overestimate).

    Also, the virus is of particular concern for pregnant women. Recent studies have shown alarming rates of adverse pregnancy outcomes associated with Clade I. In an older study conducted in the DRC between 2007 and 2011 involving Clade I, 75% of pregnant women with mpox experienced miscarriage or stillbirth [3]. The current outbreak in South Kivu province, during 2023-present, confirmed these findings, with 50% of infected pregnant women experiencing fetal loss [4]. Additionally, the virus can infect both the placenta and fetus, causing congenital infection and disease in surviving newborns.

    References:

    [1] Bunge EM, Hoet B, Chen L, Lienert F, Weidenthaler H, Baer LR, Steffen R. The changing epidemiology of human monkeypox—A potential threat? A systematic review. PLoS Negl Trop Dis. 2022 Feb 11;16(2):e0010141. doi: 10.1371/journal.pntd.0010141.

    [2] World Health Organization. Disease Outbreak News. Mpox—Democratic Republic of the Congo. 14 June 2024. Available from: https://www.who.int/emergencies/disease-outbreak-news/item/2024-DON522

    [3] Mbala PK, Huggins JW, Riu-Rovira T, Ahuka SM, Mulembakani P, Rimoin AW, Martin JW, Muyembe JT. Maternal and Fetal Outcomes Among Pregnant Women With Human Monkeypox Infection in the Democratic Republic of Congo. J Infect Dis. 2017 Oct 17;216(7):824-828. doi: 10.1093/infdis/jix260.

    [4] Schwartz DA. High Rates of Miscarriage and Stillbirth among Pregnant Women with Clade I Mpox (Monkeypox) Are Confirmed during 2023–2024 DR Congo Outbreak in South Kivu Province. Viruses. 2024; 16(7):1123. https://doi.org/10.3390/v16071123

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    @David Jordan: thank you for the information.

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    @Lewis Armstrong: cop yourself on. Sad that you think that this would prevent inperson voting. Or that the entire planet would conspire for the bloody US elections.

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    Close the schools, close the pubs, start up the PUP

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    Should we not stop all travel from the infected countries before it gets here

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    @John Reynolds: it’s here. There were cases last year. Like covid it’s here forever and a day.

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    We need vaccines. More vaccines. Quickly

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    @pat kelly: vaccines do work extremely well, and save millions of lives every year

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    @mickey mac: the vaccine for this has existed for years. It’s the same one that totally wiped out smallpox and saved humanity from one of the most horrible diseases.

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    @mickey mac: Quick, close the pubs. Get in the toilet rolls. Self isolate. Restrict visits to hospital and care homes. Oh! Get the monkey jab.

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    @Patrick MC Dermott: I never knew one had to wait for a Bono opinion. You learn something every day…..

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    “…most cases were among men who are gay, bisexual or other men who have sex with men (gbMSM).” The last lot are still either gay or bisexual.

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    Bill gates didn’t predict this one..

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    CLOSE THE PUBS !

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    Tammany Hall Democrats, would teach FFG a thing or two!

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    @Brian Hunt: like what?

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    @pat kelly: Like how to manipulate elections!

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    @Fintan Pox: Pleased to meet you, I’m Eamon.

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    @Fintan Pox: I hope you’re not speaking from experience?

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