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Children's rights groups angry at Dáil vote setting digital age of consent at 16 (they wanted it to be 13)

The government had put forward a proposal to set the digital age of consent at 13.

IRELAND’S LEADING CHILDREN’S rights and advocacy organisations have expressed anger and frustration after the government was defeated in a Dáil vote today around the digital age of consent.

The government had put forward a proposal to set the digital age of consent at 13 in an amendment to the Data Protection Bill.

But TDs instead voted in favour of a Labour and Fianna Fáil amendment to set the digital age of consent at 16 instead.

The amendment was carried by the narrow margin of 56 votes to 51.

Leading children’s rights organisations ISPCC, Children’s Rights Alliance, Spunout.ie and Barnardos were all supporting the age being set at 13 and have reacted angrily to the Dáil decision.

“In the area of children and child protection, the primary responsibility of legislators has to be to keep children safe, and to create the conditions that keep them safe, including regulation,” ISPCC CEO Grainia Long said.

This vote in the Dáil today indicates that the voices of children and young people across Ireland are not being listened to in relation to their online safety.

But what is the digital age of consent and why are charities angry about it being set at 16 rather than 13?

What is the digital age of consent?

The digital age of consent refers to the age from which it is legal for data controllers to hold data gathered on children and teenagers.

An official age has to be set by nations before the EU General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) comes into effect on 25 May 2018.

As digital technology like smartphones becomes ever more widespread – and each generation becomes more tech savvy than the last – there have been increasing concerns about protecting the safety and privacy of children online.

While there are various measures parents and guardians can take to protect their children, some people don’t think this goes far enough in stopping young people potentially seeing inappropriate content such as pornography or violence.

So what does this mean for children online now?

Basically, companies won’t be able to store and process the data of people under the age of 16.

This relates mainly to targeting and advertising to children. Big tech companies like Facebook, Google and Twitter will now be able to collect the personal data of children under this age.

Practically, it means that children won’t have full access to a large number of websites, as they won’t be able to legally consent to their terms and conditions.

(Of course, there’s nothing stopping people lying about their age to set up a social media account, which is one of the reasons groups supported a lower age)

Why was the age of 13 chosen by the government and supported by children’s charities?

In November 2017, the Oireachtas Joint Committee on Justice and Equality published a report that set out its views and recommendations on the General Scheme of the Data Protection Bill 2017.

Taking on board the testimony of children’s advocacy groups and testimony, the committee recommended 13 as the digital age of consent for Irish children.

This recommendation was supported by government and put forward as the proposed legislation.

This move was also supported by Ombudsman for Children, Dr Niall Muldoon in a statement earlier this month.

He said that setting the age at 13 “takes more appropriate account of young people’s internet use and of the integral role that the online environment plays in their lives”.

Dr Muldoon also said that it was more in keeping with international children’s rights standards.

“It represents a more proportionate approach to balancing the opportunities and risks that the online environment presents to children and, with that, to balancing children’s rights in this environment,” he said.

Why was the age of 16 put forward by the opposition?

TDs from Labour, the Social Democrats, Fianna Fáil and Sinn Féin opposed the plan to put the age of consent at 13, instead putting forward 16 as the proposed age of digital consent.

TDs argued that 13 was too young, and that 16 would increase child data protection.

“The question we must ask is does a child at age 13 have capacity to contract?” Labour TD Sean Sherlock said last month.

“This is not about when children can go online or use devices, rather, it only relates to situations where the processing of the personal data of a child is performed.

The Bill at present sets the Irish digital age of consent at the lowest possible age – 13 years and it is my belief that it should be set at 16.

Sherlock also said that setting it at 16 would bring Ireland in line with Germany, the Netherlands, France and others “who have best-in-class approaches to protecting children online”.

Barry O’Sullivan, a UCC professor and founding director of the Insight Centre for Data Analytics, told TheJournal.ie recently he thinks the digital age of consent was chosen as 13, at least partly, for the benefit of social media companies.

“Under what basis did they make the decision? Because it would be awkward for social media companies if it was set at 16? Being out of sync with the US would have been a big, big problem,” he said.

Why are children’s rights charities so angry? 

Dr Muldoon said that child protection and data protection was not the same, and that the age of consent had become “something of a red herring” in recent debates.

By this he meant that it was misleading from the relevant issues of child safety online.

“The digital age of consent is about the age at which young people can agree to the processing of their personal data,” he said.

The protection it can offer is limited: it is not designed as a mechanism for protecting children from the multiple risks they may encounter in the online environment.

This viewpoint is supported by the charities mentioned above, who state that setting the age at 16 will create significant risks to child safety, will not be enforceable and will remove the responsibility from companies to protect the children using their services.

The ISPCC, the Children’s Rights Alliance, SpunOut.ie and Barnardos all said that a digital age of consent of 16 is not workable.

“In all policy decisions about the welfare of children and young people, we must listen to and respond to their lived experiences,” said SpunOut.ie executive director Ian Power

“Young people and their parents expect us to be debating real solutions to the very real challenges they face.

The decision today to raise the digital age of consent to 16 is not a real solution, it’s not even a workable solution, and the move will ultimately make it harder for us to protect children from inappropriate content and targeted marketing.

What happens now?

The Digital Age of Consent will now be set at 16 when the Data Protection Bill 2018 is enacted (it’s currently in the Fourth Stage, meaning it is close to becoming law).

The children’s charities have called for a number of measures to be introduced immediately. These include:

- A National Action Plan on Online Safety to be fully consulted on, published and implemented.

- The immediate creation of the Office of Digital Safety Commissioner, grounded in legislation.

They have also called for increased garda powers for detecting online crime and enhanced education on the issue for children, parents and teachers.

“These measures would make a real difference to children’s safety online,” the groups said.

Today’s setting of the Digital Age of Consent at 16 will not do so.

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    Mute alphanautica
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    Feb 20th 2018, 9:20 AM

    Cue Trump moving the American Embassy from Ballsbridge to The Falls Road to solve the problem.

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    Mute David Sinclair
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    Feb 20th 2018, 9:23 AM

    @alphanautica:
    Irish lefty/liberals will probably want the American Embassy shut down soon I’d say.

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    Mute Dave O Keeffe
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    Feb 20th 2018, 9:28 AM

    @David Sinclair: why? Because the comment sounded good in your head? By the way, it’s the right wing Americans that are withdrawing ambassadors all over the world

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    Feb 20th 2018, 9:39 AM

    @David Sinclair: But David, what will we do with our bowel of shamrock then ???

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    Mute Sean Gordon
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    Feb 20th 2018, 9:42 AM

    @alphanautica: As long as he doesn’t move the Falls Road to Ballsbridge I don’t mind.

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    Feb 20th 2018, 9:50 AM

    @Dave O Keeffe:
    I considered alphanautica’s suggestion rather absurd Dave so replied in like manner.
    Obviously you felt his was a rational proposal then?
    Very interesting Dave.

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    Feb 20th 2018, 9:55 AM

    @alphanautica: I hope Coveney has some chalk and a blackboard to explain.

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    Feb 20th 2018, 10:15 AM

    @Sean Gordon: You need to seek medical advice if you have shamrock growing in your bowel…

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    Mute Dave O Keeffe
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    Feb 20th 2018, 12:38 PM

    @David Sinclair: so I was right, your comment sounded good in your head but didn’t translate. You’ve done it again by the way.

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    Feb 20th 2018, 1:23 PM

    @Old Gabby Johnson: I hope Trump has chalk board also along with an abacus to get through to Si.

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    Mute Lucille Ball
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    Feb 20th 2018, 7:10 PM

    @alphanautica: still sh*t stirring ..if the GFA falls apart and there’s trouble in the north again I’ll be thinking of the idiots like yourself honey badger and all the other effing begrudgers… what a shower of fools ye are

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    Feb 24th 2018, 9:43 PM

    @alphanautica: Donald won’t be long telling Simon convey not to dictate to him you not in Ireland now.

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    Feb 20th 2018, 9:24 AM

    Well that’s a waste of a flight

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    Feb 20th 2018, 9:33 AM

    @ed w: now, now, I hear Trump is having trouble sleeping. Simon will sort that out no bothers

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    Feb 20th 2018, 12:53 PM

    @ed w: insomniacs from local clinics are invited to attend speech

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    Mute Mr Phil Officer
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    Feb 20th 2018, 9:44 AM

    Still think Coveney is doing a better job than Leo, he certainly seems to be a more competent politician than Leo and he hasn’t got a spin machine to promote himself, It looks like some FG members picked the wrong leader.

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    Feb 20th 2018, 9:58 AM

    @Mr Phil Officer: but only in your opinion…so we shouldn’t worry…

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    Feb 20th 2018, 10:19 AM

    @Bruce Miller: well Coveney appears to be the more capable politician, his statements are more articulate and to the point, none of this BS sock nonsense and yes judging from the performance of both it is my honest opinion that Coveney would be a better Taoiseach.

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    Feb 20th 2018, 10:52 AM

    @Mr Phil Officer: Credit where it’s due, FGs membership did back Coveney by 2 to 1. Shame they were ignored.

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    Feb 20th 2018, 11:02 AM

    @The Risen: credit where it’s due indeed, wonder why they eventually chose Leo against the wishes of the majority when it’s clear that Coveney was the better choice.

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    Feb 24th 2018, 9:44 PM

    @Mr Phil Officer: Donald won’t be long telling Simon convey not to dictate to him you not in Ireland now.

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    Feb 24th 2018, 9:47 PM

    @Mr Phil Officer: disagreeing neither.

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    Feb 20th 2018, 9:21 AM

    Probably easier at this point to find a solution to the Israel/Palestine conflict than the Northern Ireland question.

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    Feb 20th 2018, 9:47 AM

    If Coveney is to brief the Trump administration on the wee north, he better be good at drawing pictures.

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    Feb 20th 2018, 9:38 AM

    Trump to make the Good Friday agreement Great again ?

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    Feb 20th 2018, 2:02 PM

    Lol I was going to say trump is going to rip up the good Friday agreement and they’ll sign a new one called “The Great Friday Agreement”.

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    Feb 24th 2018, 9:48 PM

    @Damian McKeever: icis

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    Feb 20th 2018, 10:25 AM

    First show Trump where Northern Ireland is … then explain how Antrim can be made into a bigly golf course.

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    Feb 20th 2018, 9:26 AM

    Do you really think Trump will care? Maybe Tillerson checking for fracking opportunities for his friends in Exxon….

    https://www.abitleftandabitlost.com/posts/this-was-a-victory-for-the-dup-and-will-be-worth-it-if-there-is-no-general-election-until-2022

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    Feb 20th 2018, 9:27 AM

    President Trump is friend of SF always attended their annual Christmas fundraiser in New York even before the IRA ceasefire….Congressman Peter King frequent defender of Trump on US media is also old friend of Gerry Adams and SF….

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    Feb 20th 2018, 9:32 AM

    @John003: Don was at one fundraiser and he denies giving any donation.

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    Feb 20th 2018, 9:38 AM

    @Dave O Keeffe: Think it was SF who deny getting one….But do they keep a record of donations…Gerry Adams called him up to podium at one event for a prize I think he made a donation

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    Feb 20th 2018, 10:54 AM

    So, it’s gone from ‘always attends’ to him being at one fundraiser.

    You need to get that SF chip off your shoulder john003.

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    Feb 20th 2018, 12:40 PM

    @John003: they say they didn’t get one, he says he didn’t give one (which is entirely in keeping with what we know about him) you say different. Now, one of those three knows a massive amount less about the situation and wouldn’t you know it its the same one that came to the contrary conclusion

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    Feb 20th 2018, 9:27 AM

    Although no fan of the DUP, they haven’t altered their stance on the role of the Irish language in NI.

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    Feb 20th 2018, 9:38 AM

    @Bruce Miller: They backed out of what they signed up in Saint Andrews agreement so yes they have changed stance. Behind the scenes forces at work.

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    Feb 20th 2018, 9:42 AM

    @Jangles: There is no mention of an Irish Language Act in that agreement – so how could they have backed out of it?

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    Feb 20th 2018, 1:34 PM

    @Jangles: Irish: Comhaontú Chill Rímhinn; Ulster Scots: St Andra’s ‘Greement

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    Feb 20th 2018, 1:35 PM

    @Bruce Miller: “The Government will introduce an Irish Language Act reflecting on the experience of Wales and Ireland and work with the incoming Executive to enhance and protect the development of the Irish language.” – from the aforementioned St. Andrews Agreement.

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    Feb 20th 2018, 10:10 AM

    NI fatigue.

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    Mute Ireland Just shoot me
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    Feb 20th 2018, 9:28 AM

    like they would actually care, better go to the kremlin .

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    Feb 20th 2018, 9:32 AM

    @Ireland Just shoot me: why..

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    Feb 20th 2018, 12:25 PM

    Any excuse stay home and sort out Vulture Funds, let leashed on us by Oliver Noonan Cromwell, the leaders of 1916 would be very proud of ye. Ruled by Fear of the ECB and the IMF and passing the bile onto the good people of the Country. Stand up and call their bluff

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    Feb 20th 2018, 10:16 AM

    He should sail over in one of his fancy yachts instead take his time be no lose here done feck all for housing when he was Minster for housing waste of poliction like the rest ,,,,,

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    Feb 20th 2018, 10:36 AM

    Bring a map.

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    Feb 20th 2018, 10:50 AM

    Its an embarrassment sending these grossly incompetent gov politicians like coveney outside of Ireland. This guy has spend most of his political life sitting on the fence over pretty much everything.

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    Feb 20th 2018, 11:50 AM

    He needs to get Mike Pence onboard who has family links with Ireland and has President Trump’s ear and may yet be the next president. Vice President Pence no matter what you think of his politics could be a great friend to all the people of Ireland.

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    Feb 20th 2018, 9:51 AM

    Why bother? No money in it for Trump he couldn’t give a toss!!!

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    Feb 20th 2018, 1:09 PM

    Another junket for a government minister waste of taxpayers money

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    Feb 20th 2018, 12:07 PM

    Stay at home. They already have the lowdown on the north.

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    Feb 20th 2018, 2:56 PM

    Maybe better to fly Bill Clinton back in on your way home, Simon.

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    Feb 20th 2018, 3:29 PM

    Is that Simon Coveney of Bildberberg I see going in the backdoor of Goldman’s sachs …..
    How the LNG fracking gas deal coming along
    Why is water privatisation not sorted yet……
    Got to check in with your overlords sometime. ..
    Always good to have a smokescreen…

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    Feb 20th 2018, 1:34 PM

    Just tell Trump we don’t need any help with Northern Ireland, even if that’s a lie.

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