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Health Minister Simon Harris RollingNews.ie

GPs who refuse to refer on patients seeking an abortion will need to respect 'law of the land'

The Cabinet is discussing the planned passage of the legislation this morning.

Updated at 9am 

LEGISLATION TO GIVE effect to the result of Friday’s abortion referendum will be introduced to the Dáil before the summer break, Health Minister Simon Harris has said.

The Cabinet is discussing its planned passage this morning.

Speaking on Claire Byrne Live last night, Harris said he didn’t expect any substantial changes between the already-published outline of the bill and the final legislation.

“I think these have been the most discussed heads of bill of perhaps any legislation ever.

I took a conscious decision, along with the rest of the government, to publish the heads of bill before the referendum because people rightly wanted to know, if I voted Yes, what will the law look like?

People cast their ballots in the full knowledge that this would be the legislation, he said.

The outline of the bill proposes to legislate for abortion up to 12 weeks in all circumstances – after that termination beyond that point will only take place in exceptional cases.

Department officials will start meeting with medical associations from today to draw up medical guidelines, in a process that will take place at the same time as the progress of the legislation.

He said improved access to contraception, better sex education for schools and increased counselling services – all of which were recommended by the Oireachtas committee that examined the issue of abortion – would be rolled out from next year.

The health service would be properly resourced to provide for the new services, he said.

Speaking on his way in to Cabinet this morning, Harris said the government is “determined” to get this right.

Timeline

Taoiseach Leo Varadkar said over the weekend that laws giving effect to Friday’s referendum could be enacted before the end of the year – however some Yes campaigners have called for a shorter timeline.

Speaking to Claire Byrne, Harris said that if needed the Oireachtas could work for several extra weeks to get the legislation through. It would still likely take until the end of the year to complete the process, however, he said.

Speaking yesterday, Fianna Fáil leader Micheál Martin said he would support summer sittings of the Dáil if the legislation was prepared in time.

Michael Harty, the independent TD who chairs the Oireachtas Health Committee has said his panel will likely sit during the summer to work on the legislation.

Conscientious objection would also be provided for under the new regime, Harris said – adding that GPs who objected to abortion would have to refer patients elsewhere.

Some GPs who took part in TV debates had said they could not, in good conscience, do that – and that they would refuse to refer women on.

“The law of the land will be very clear on that,” Harris said.

Medical Council guidelines already deal with issues of conscientious objection and I expect the Medical Council will deal with that.

He said he expected only a small number of GPs would refuse to refer a patient on and that the vast majority of doctors, regardless of personal view, would respect the mandate of the referendum.

In a fresh statement this morning, the Doctors for Choice group said they believed it was “entirely possible” that a doctor-led service can be established in Ireland, and that the numbers made that clear.

According to the statement:

“On current figures if only 100 of the approximated 2500 general practitioners in Ireland were willing to provide this service each GP would deal with 26 requests a year, that’s one every two weeks.

“If 400 GPs were willing to provide this healthcare service, they would see an average of 6 to 7 per year.

“We recognise that some GPs are conscientious objectors to providing this service.

As in other jurisdictions, the Medical Council will give guidance to these doctors about accommodating their objections when women in crisis pregnancy attend them for care.

However, in an interview with RTÉ Raidió na Gaeltachta, Dr Máitiú Ó Tuathail, President of the National Association of General Practitioners, said that he doesn’t see how the new abortion services can be provided within the current GP services, and that he doesn’t believe it can be set up in the timeframe set out by the health minister.

He also said that a separate clinic system is the most likely solution.

He commented:

“I don’t see a system that could work as part of the day for GPs … it’ll be very difficult to provide this service within the clinics that GPs have generally… we’ll have to work out another system and I think that perhaps the only way to do that is if we had clinics and that the services would be provided in the clinics – proper psychological services, proper ultrasound services, and doctors who have the skills to provide them.”

In opinion polls carried out on behalf of Claire Byrne Live, 72% of those surveyed said that TDs and Senators should work through the summer recess to pass abortion legislation.

The same percentage of people agreed there should be exclusion zones at GP clinics and hospitals which will provide termination services. The polls were carried out by Amárach Research.

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    Jan 11th 2021, 9:15 AM

    Lol that Trump is still running the grift of taking donations for a campaign he already lost, and the Trumpists are falling for it.

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    Jan 11th 2021, 9:23 AM

    Yup, you’d have to be particularly challenged if you’re an Ordinary Joe to hand over your hard earned to (a supposed multi-billionaire) the orange grifter. Businesses yep can see it, because they’ll have their Lobbyists chasing for their pound of flesh in return. But normal working folk, all Trump see’s is an opportunity. Like setting them up to march on Capitol Hill, pretending he was going to be there with them. And still they drink from his KoolAid fountain….

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    Jan 11th 2021, 9:28 AM

    Small.print says not all the funding has to go to legal challenge. This is a scam to raise campaign funds for 2025

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    Jan 11th 2021, 9:33 AM

    @John Mulligan: There will be no campaign by Trump Senior in 2024, 100%. That’s money will end up in a family account, like the Charity scam the Trump org ran before his Presidency. He’s a one termer, a couple of years out of office and he won’t want to go through any the bull involved in campaigning again. He’ll be 78 too, and I don’t see his health getting better unless they wean him off McDonald’s…..

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    Jan 11th 2021, 9:33 AM

    @John Mulligan: remember though, if he’s impeached, he is banned from running for office, for life!

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    Jan 11th 2021, 9:49 AM

    @Peter Cavey: and he doesn’t get the 200k pension, or access to security briefings as ex presidents do if impeached. Which as you know would be used and abused.

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    Jan 11th 2021, 10:50 AM

    @Peter Cavey: Watch Trump junior though, he’s free to run!

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    Jan 11th 2021, 11:07 AM

    @Charlie: the Trumps have burnt far to many bridges with the Republicans to run agian.

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    Jan 11th 2021, 11:07 AM

    @Peter Cavey: Only if he’s found guilty and convicted. Impeachment alone does not prohibit holding federal office at a future date.

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    Jan 11th 2021, 11:37 AM

    @John Mulligan: He will be a short lived independent in the 2025 election

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    Jan 11th 2021, 11:58 AM

    @John Mulligan: small print also says up to 50% will be used to pay off 2016 campaign debts. Suckers just keep giving.

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    Jan 11th 2021, 5:52 PM

    @John Mulligan: It is a slush fund. Impeach Trump senior: stops him running again. Next thing is to ruin the trump brand to stop the kids. Hit them where it hurts: go after financial irregularities; watch the sponsors and partners pull away like the PGA. Make the brand as toxic as the individuals. Sure he’ll still have the redneck followers but they can’t afford Trump resorts and those who can afford it won’t go there.

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    Jan 11th 2021, 9:51 AM

    Populist nonsense, what we should be worried about is large companies picking and choosing who they want to do business with and for what reason. While I have no time for Trump I have no time for those who choose to wait to kick a man when he’s down. It would have been a much more powerful statement to have carried out this action at the beginning of his term.

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    Jan 11th 2021, 9:54 AM

    @Sean Higgins: Businesses can deal with whomever they want to. Doesn’t matter what your position is in life.

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    Jan 11th 2021, 10:09 AM

    @Sean Higgins: 100% agree, it’s opportunistic and disingenuous to say the least. All of these firms contribute to Rep and Dems on a regular basis and now see the populist wind blowing away from the lunatic Trump they decide to get morals/conscience,if he had succeeded in his challenge they would’ve put out some generic mealy mouthed press release and kept on dealing with him. This doesn’t bode well for further discourse or debate or difference of opinion in the US ,and as usually does such attitude will seep to rest of the world, with their famous first amendment under serious threat from revisionists. But to the victor go the spoils I guess.

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    Jan 11th 2021, 10:51 AM

    @Sean Higgins: that’s the point really isn’t it. Like Twitter banning his account after the fact too.

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    Jan 11th 2021, 1:59 PM

    @Sean Higgins: quite enjoy seeing him being kicked while he is down.

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    Jan 11th 2021, 2:00 PM

    @Sequoia: eh.. not exactly true Companies are not allowed to do business with whomever they like and not those they dislike that is the actual definition of discrimination.

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    Jan 11th 2021, 2:12 PM

    It’s almost as if fame is lucrative and fickle.

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    Jan 11th 2021, 4:48 PM

    @Sequoia: which reminds me of a controversial news that a religious business owner who refused to make cakes for homosexual couples years ago. The time has changed.

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    Jan 11th 2021, 9:58 AM

    Too little too late from Stripe. They were happy to channel payments when payments were high and the gravy train was flowing. Stripe are only now P.R. campaigning and virtue signalling in an attempt to dissassociate themselves from a failed politician and at a time when his fund payments have significantly slowed. The Collissons brothers merely trying to save face.

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    Jan 11th 2021, 11:39 AM

    @Shane McGrath: The Collison brothers are trying to save face ????? Are you having a laugh

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    Jan 11th 2021, 9:37 AM

    If only Twitter and others went after those who actually incite voilence.

    This tweet from June 3rd 2018 violates Twitters TOS, yet still stands: https://twitter.com/khamenei_ir/status/1003332853525110784

    Hypocrites.

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    Jan 11th 2021, 10:40 AM

    @Daniel Dunne: Unfortunately because it’s not popular or in mainstream media Twitter won’t bother about this one.

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    Jan 11th 2021, 11:51 AM

    @Daniel Dunne: twitter should be boycotted for the complete bias.

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    Jan 11th 2021, 9:22 AM

    They’re all a bit late with this! There is nothing surprising about what trump did. Remember Charlottesville? They all continued to enable him after that. Hypocrisy

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    Jan 11th 2021, 9:58 AM

    @Critical Thinker: I think if they took this step before last Wednesday they would have been open to all sorts of litigation

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    Jan 11th 2021, 10:47 AM

    @Dannys Dentures: not just such companies, but politicians, the media etc. They were happy enough to go along with it previously

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    Jan 11th 2021, 12:11 PM

    @Critical Thinker: when you say they all, you really mean the GOP? Because they have had control of the senior house during his Presidency and as a party could have brought him into line much earlier if they had a mind to. Like Mitch McConnell on Wednesday when finally condemning Trumps challenge of the election results, they can and should have done the right thing from day one of Trumps candidacy. But they left him on a long leash because they knew he would do the dirty work for them, and in the aftermath they will look to put the blame entirely on his shoulders alone….

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    Jan 11th 2021, 10:14 AM

    Nothing more than PR. Any and all of these companies could have made s moral stand 6 months ago when he said the protesters (KKK) were good people.

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    Jan 11th 2021, 9:25 AM

    Rats deserting a sinking ship

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    Jan 11th 2021, 9:31 AM

    @Rhoda Cunningham: these companies had 4 years to dump Trump, yet they all jump on the bandwagon when he’s two weeks from leaving office.
    Why did this not happen years ago?

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    Jan 11th 2021, 10:59 AM

    Sad populist, bandwagon jumping nonsense

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    Jan 11th 2021, 11:29 AM

    Why bother? Tokenism at this stage

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    Jan 11th 2021, 12:19 PM

    All these platforms can remove a president. They can remove you. That’s the message here, look at the rise in decentralized platforms this year. Nobody can remove your access to bitcoin.

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    Jan 11th 2021, 9:17 AM

    That’ll hit him hard.

    Unfortunately, we’ll. ever get to hear what the Don thinks of all these actions

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    Jan 11th 2021, 9:46 AM

    @Sequoia: really heartfelt of them. I mean now that Trump is officially politically destroyed it’s safe financially to do the right thing or be seen to do so. Much of the worlds problems right there folks

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    Jan 11th 2021, 11:08 AM

    Now they need to pull it from all his businesses.

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    Jan 11th 2021, 5:18 PM

    @Gillian O’Coinne: no they don’t!!

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    Jan 11th 2021, 3:01 PM

    My post was deleted. If the company had genuine moral problems with Trump and had any courage they would have done this years ago. A toothless decision for cheap publicity.

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    Jan 11th 2021, 1:04 PM

    Why wait this long? Where there’s a buck to be earned….

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    Jan 11th 2021, 1:51 PM

    Bit late

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    Jan 11th 2021, 9:17 AM

    That’ll hit him hard.

    Unfortunately, we’ll. ever get to hear what the Don thinks of all these actions

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    Jan 11th 2021, 3:03 PM

    @Sequoia: If Donald Trump isn’t back on social media soon I will be amazed. And if he doesn’t invest in a platform or hosting services for that platform I will be equally surprised.

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    Jan 11th 2021, 5:17 PM

    @Jim Lingk: hopefully

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    Jan 11th 2021, 9:30 PM

    @Jim Lingk: he will put up a platform….until he figures out how much it costs to run it ……won’t be long dumping it then……

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    Jan 11th 2021, 1:35 PM

    Big friggin deal!!!

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    Jan 11th 2021, 7:44 PM

    You wonder what the valuation of Stripe has to do with Trump.

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    Jan 12th 2021, 3:57 AM

    But he was encouraging violence long before this happened so why didn’t they act before now?

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    Jan 11th 2021, 2:58 PM

    Wow… banking sanctions on the peoples republic of Trump

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    Jan 13th 2021, 7:27 AM

    Dissenting opinion won’t vanish because tech CEOs ban it. That’s not how life is.

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