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MORE PEOPLE ARE returning to Ireland than leaving the country for the first time since 2009.
Figures released by the Central Statistics Office (CSO) show that the number of immigrants entering the State in the year to April 2018 is estimated to be 90,300, while the number of emigrants from the State over the same period is estimated at 56,300.
This resulted in net inward migration for Ireland in the year to April 2018 of +34,000, the highest level of net inward migration since 2008.
The number of births in the same period was 61,200 while the number of deaths was 30,700, resulting in a natural increase of 30,500. The effect of this natural increase and positive net migration resulted in an overall increase in the population of 64,500.
Irish nationals
Commenting, statistician James Hegarty said: “This is the largest annual increase in the population since 2008, bringing the population estimate to 4.86 million in April 2018.”
In the year to April 2018, Irish nationals accounted for 28,400 (31.5%) of the 90,300 immigrants to Ireland and 28,300 (50.3%) of the 56,300 emigrants from Ireland.
“Consequently, net inward migration of Irish nationals in 2018 was +100; this is the first occurrence of net inward migration for Irish nationals since 2009. It represents a significant increase on 2012 when net outward migration of Irish nationals peaked at -29,600.
“In the year to April 2018, 61,900 non-Irish nationals arrived to live in Ireland and 28,000 non-Irish nationals emigrated abroad. Therefore net inward migration among non-Irish nationals remained strong and was estimated to be +33,900 in 2018,” Hegarty said.
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Irrespective of personal opinion here, well done for such lengthy fact based research and investigation. Must have taken a long time to compile all the fact findings.
So in summary non of the claims were false according to factcheck.
Did you actually read the article??? Obviously not…
I did Stephen, did you? I got all the way to the eh, hmmm SUMMARY at the end where it said 0 were false claims.
Only 2 of the 13 were 100% accurate,that’s a pretty damning summary from a dishonest group.
@Tariq ibn Ziyad: ah get off the stage – - most true or mostly true and none false.
@allovernow: Tariq is 100% correct. Fact check it.
Who cares about all this rubbish….my body,my life, my choice…..and yes it is my choice….only mine so but out.
Well it shouldn’t be.
@kathleen Henderson what a selfish self centred attitude…
@Oonaghpoonagh: it is an excellent comment from Kathleen. Look after your own business.Good lad/lass
@Francis McCarthy you’re a dope.
@Francis, don’t argue with the anti-choice idiots, if they had their way, Ireland would be a dictatorial theocracy, worse than Iran
They fought against divorce and lost. Fought against contraception and lost. Fought against gay marriage and lost. This is their last role of the dice. Who are they? We all know who “they” are
Says who???you???? who cares what you think about me…..I don’t.
@Larissa Caroline you presume wrongly that all anti-abortion people are religious.
@kathleen it’s quite obvious you don’t care about anyone but yourself
99% of them are,and no amount of Yankee-funded rebranding can change that,Holy Joe’s the lot of them doing The Vatican’s bidding for them,totally deluded.
@Tariq you are talking about religious delusions??? am I missing something here? Have you got a split personality disorder?? Genuinely I’m utterly confused…
Right
@OonaghPoo, maybe it’s time to go offline and read a book or something,it’s getting embarrassing for you.
Ooonagh, who are you to tell someone what they should and shouldnt do with their own body
@paul Hughes I’m more concerned with the death of the baby than telling anyone what to do. That’s not what I’m interested in tbh. Unfortunately the two clash but I can assure you my priority isn’t about telling anyone what to do. It’s an unfortunate by product of being concerned about the killing of a baby.
She’s a member of the Pro-Life Movement,probably one of the MacMathúna’s.
@tariq ok Tariq or maybe I’ll just log in as one of my other profiles…nah that would be BONKERS!
Larissa we have discussed this before and think of how many LGBT people would have potentially been aborted if the “choice” was there in Ireland up to recent decades (especially trans people). Most people who were FOR marriage equality and LGBT rights in the past are pro equality again this time round FOR life of both baby and mother.
@Tariq am I really? News to me you weirdo…
Greg, that’s a stupid argument, tell me, can you tell the sexual orientation, or the gender identity of a foetus?
You’re at it again tariq!
@Larissa Caroline Nikolaus: Where did you get that idea from. We life in a democracy in this country and people have the right to their opinion. Comparing Ireland to Iran shows you should do a bit or reading
@Eye_c_u: Where did you get that idea from. We life in a democracy in this country and people have the right to their opinion. Comparing Ireland to Iran shows you should do a bit or reading
@Tariq ibn Ziyad: That is a bit rich coming from a Muslim. Not much pro life around with ISIS is there. Tell us who are these Holy Joe’s you are talking about?
@Eye_c_u: Maybe you can enlighten us. Come enlighten us. for a start what is the connection between gay marriage and abortion. I can’t any can you.
So Larissa as a LGBT person yourself you compare Ireland to Iran where we have marriage equality and LGBT rights?
LGBT persons in Iran face legal challenges not experienced by non-LGBT residents. Both male and female same-sex sexual activity is illegal.
LGBT rights in Iran have come in conflict with the penal code since the 1930s. Homosexuality is a crime punishable by imprisonment, corporal punishment, or by execution. So we are worse than Iran now?
@Greg Kelly: Larissa has fled.
@Kathleen Henderson: on Irish soil it is not your choice Kathleen.
If you would bother to read my comment, Greg, instead of just nitpicking, then you would be able to see, that I said, if the holy Joes like your pal Con here, had their way, they would make Ireland into a theocracy that puts Iran into the shadows, ask your pal Con, how he feels about people who don’t believe in his sky fairy, ask your pal Con, how he feels about marriage equality, and when you manage to form a coherent argument against being pro-choice, then we can continue the discussion, I’m off to bed now.
@Larissa Caroline Nikolaus: “Greg, that’s a stupid argument, tell me, can you tell the sexual orientation, or the gender identity of a foetus?”
Greg has come out with some beauts on here :)
My personal favourite was the time that he mentioned what Ronald Reagan said about abortion :)
Poor pet never realised that Reagan in 1967 had signed into law one of the most liberalised abortion laws in America :)
Very mature response there
Rosie doesn’t realise that law was before people knew the reality of abortion in the late 60s. Ronlad Reagan went on to REGRET his mistake and that decision afterwards till the day he died and became an ardent Pro-lifer as President as many people do once they see the awfulness of abortion. He could not believe what happened once the law was signed for what was supposed to be. What he said:
In 1968 he says he would never have signed the bill if he had “been a more experienced governor
“I’ve noticed that everybody who is for abortion has already been born.”
“When the lives of the unborn are snuffed out, they often feel pain, pain that is long and agonizing.”
“Simple morality dictates that unless and until someone can prove the unborn human is not alive. And, thus, it should be entitled to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.”
“We cannot survive as a free nation when some men decide that others are not fit to live and should be abandoned to abortion or infanticide..
@Greg Kelly: “facts are stupid things” Ronald Reagan. If you are going to quote him maybe you should start with that one.
@Dell: Greg has been caught out so many times on here with his BS..Just two weeks ago,he was on that an embryo feels “organic pain” at 6-8 weeks..Best ignored.
@Greg Kelly: If you consider abortion infanticide, you should report every woman that had an abortion to the gardai
But, but, I thought the pro-life side were bead rattling liars? Thanks for pretty much confirming what was very obvious already – all the pro-life side are trying to do is educate those who are being brainwashed by a pro-abortion lobby in the media.
@Keano: There’s no such thing as a “pro abortion lobby”, FFS. No one actually wants an abortion!
What you are suggesting is like saying that oncologists are like a ‘pro chemotherapy lobby’ trying to let everyone have chemo just for the craic of it.
I suggest you look at some of the placards and banners at the recent march in Dublin. Very clearly there is a rather large pro-abortion lobby.
It’s very clear the journal is part of said lobby too due to the amount of pro abortion/choice articles they publish
@Keano: The global population control agenda is the following. Man hating third wave feminism. Poisonous foods, water and medication. Abortion. LGBT acceptance. Their thoughts. Not mine.
1 in 5 in Britain. I knew levels were high there but that’s an amazing stat plus repeat abortion levels very high. Well researched.
I know. That stat shocked me also. How can a society think its ok to abort 1 in 5 babies.
If society thinks its ok to abort one baby then society had to agree that it’s ok to abort any amount babies, that’s how the law works.
1 in 5 does feel shocking high, I wonder why?
Other than access to abortion, why are so many women aborting in the UK?
What of contraception, its easily accessible. Doesnt seem to add up, intuitively i mean.
Especially considering contraception is free, with so many different options available. So is the trip to the doctor.
@clad: it’s the same rate in France and Spain. Also they talk about abortions up to birth ie in the ninth month of 55 as being “extremely rare”, any number is horrific.
@Jeremy DeChad:
“Abortions up to birth being very rare ”
C- Sections are not that rare at all :)
They’re foetuses. Babies are the thing that is alive and viable outside a womb
Aborted quite often due to inconvenience. No time for children – I need the time for socialising, taking holidays and earning money. And the European population dies.
This is what I don’t understand. If a baby would be an inconvenience to someone, why not sort out contraception? It is free! How many abortions could be avoided if people just take responsibility and take the free contraception on offer?
@Imogene Blignaut: contraception doesn’t always work and also isn’t always free. Plus what I don’t understand is expressing incredulity at people not being responsible enough to use contraception and at the same time condoning those same irresponsible people to be forced into pregnancy and parenthood because of their irresponsibility. It beggars belief.
Dell. Actually in Britain contraception is free. I should know as I live here. Think what you will, but I can express incredulity at whatever I want. And I am expressing incredulity over the fact that 1 in 5 pregnancies end up in abortion in a country where contraception is free. Also, contraception is a responsibility. It is your responsibility to stop yourself getting pregnant if you don’t want the baby. In this, I don’t include people who have no choice, i.e. rape etc. This is what really beggars belief.
@Imogene Blignaut: but you have no problem with these irresponsible people being forced into parenthood… personally I believe it’s a pretty responsible thing to do, to not go through with a pregnancy when you are not in a position physically, emotionally or economically to do so. In a perfect world people do not make mistakes or bad decisions, they do not get involved in risk taking activities, they do not inhale carcinogenic chemicals deliberately, but we do not live in a perfect world. Do you think smokers should be denied treatment because of their irresponsible behaviour?
Dell, you are misunderstanding me. I am pro choice. It is the numbers that upsets me. In that “1 in 5″ there are several groups of people. Those who got pregnant by accident. Those for who contraception didn’t work. Those who were raped. Those whose babies are sick and will die once born. Those women who have cancer and have to make tough choices. I am really happy that these women have the right to choose to terminate. What upsets me is the group included in this “1 in 5″ scenario who have had 2nd and 3rd abortions. How did you not learn your lesson the first time? This is my opinion. It doesn’t mean that I don’t want this service available to all women. It simply means that I am shocked by the numbers.
@Imogene Blignaut: That’s fair enough imogene, but these are a minority and who knows what is going on in their lives or their heads. To deny the majority a service because some people may abuse it, for whatever reason, is not the answer.
@Imogene Blignaut: Have you ever considered that there is women who have repeat abortions that are done due to FFA ?
I never said it was. I did not come forward with any solutions. I didn’t ask for the service to be denied anyone. I have explained myself a number of times now. I think I’ve said enough.
@Imogene Blignaut: Genuine question: if you are prochoice, why do the number upset you? Surely abortion is an acceptable or legitimate choice or it is not. I don’t see why a ‘small’ amount of abortion is acceptable and legitimate, but a ‘large’ amount is not. Btw I’m fully in favour of contraception access and information and I think if there’s one area prochoice and prolife people can agree on it’s the desirability of avoiding unwanted pregnancy in the first place.
@Jack Leahy: That is incorrect. The correct technical medical term for a human that has just been born is a neonate. The correct technical medical term for a preborn human is a foetus, embryo, or zygote. ‘Baby’ is not a correct technical medical term for a human, either before or after birth (but can of course be used as a non-technical non-medical term, just as you might use the term ‘tummy’ to describe your abdomen). Furthermore many foetuses are viable. Please stop spreading this misinformation and encourage other to do the same.
@Imogene Blignaut: You don’t know the reasons for these 2nd or 3rd abortions, and it may be far from women not “learning their lesson” the first time.
Contraception may be free in many circumstances in the UK, but it’s not infallible. Even with perfect use, contraception still sometimes fails. With typical use, contraception fails even more often. And just because it has happened to you once, doesn’t mean it won’t happen again. Over 50% of women accessing Marie Stopes services in 2015, for example, were using contraception when they fell pregnant. Over half.
Leaving aside the fact that contraception is not the perfect answer which it is held up to be, there is also the fact that women with an increased risk of particular genetic conditions will continue to be at risk no matter how many pregnancies they have had. If you and your partner are carriers of certain genetic conditions, the chance of a baby having one of these genetic conditions could be quite high. And that chance doesn’t change with each pregnancy. It’s entirely possible that many of those accessing abortion for the 2nd or 3rd (or more) time have once again found themselves in the difficult situation of having a wanted child diagnosed with a fatal foetal abnormality.
I’m tired of people being judgemental about women who have more than one abortion, implying that they lazily just didn’t keep their legs closed or use condoms. It’s not fair or accurate.
I will not for a moment concede that a statistically significant number of women abort because they just couldn’t be arsed with parenthood. However, if there was such a group they are BY DEFINITION the sort of people who should not be parents. Parenthood is an enormous undertaking, and should only be embarked upon by those of us who are willing and interested in doing so.
@Francis Mc Carthy: There is no such medical diagnosis a FFA. The correct and most appropriate medical term is Life Limiting condition.
@Greg Kelly: This is the supposedly modern and progressive model Ireland is supposed to look up to and feel embarrassed for not following, according to the activists, celebs and media. How sad and surreal.
What a pie in the face for the pro-abortion crowd.
It would be if they were disputing any of the information in the leaflet. The anti-choicers miss the point (as usual),none of the points covered in the leaflet are part of the debate,that women should have a choice over whether they continue with a pregnancy or not. Pointless leaflet really that will only be of interest to the Holy Joe brigade.
@Tariq “holy Joe” says you
Yeah,says me.
@Tariq ibn Ziyad: And they keep on citing a flawed Finnish study as the women’s mental health history /poverty/living conditions is not taken into account ..Oh well..
@Dan Keane:as a pro choice person, I have no issues with this fact check. Pro choice is not pro abortion
@Tariq you were very quiet on the khalid kelly article I expected you would have had an opinion on it
i think tariq forgot to logout and log back in to whatever pro choice account he/she/it has
@Anne Marie – what choice is being sought? The choice to kill unborn babies.
OonaghPoo no idea who he is,never heard of him. I’m flattered that you think of me round the clock though. I know you’ve had your comments torn to shred here,but you should try and stick to the topic at hand instead of manically waving your arms in the air and shouting ‘look over there!’. Maybe the whole online comment section thing isn’t for you.
@Niall O D I think so, Petr was there yesterday banging Tariq’s drum.
@Tariq you’re a walking contradiction. A very confused individual.
Oonagh .. he did comment a little on Khalid Kelly. . Under his other account Petr …
@Dan Keane: Unborn baby is an oxymoron. Like undead pensioner.
@daisy chainsaw not in the slightest. Babies born today were babies in the womb yesterday
@suzie sunshine I know he’s a nutter. Who would be bothered switching accounts??? And why??
@Daisy – deflect much!
In case anyone isn’t aware,Suzie Sunshine is the pseudonym for radical Islamist Liam Egan from Wexford,to find out more about Liam / Suzie,read Mark Humphreys excellent research here http://markhumphrys.com/liam.egan.html
Tariq .. you’re a gas man …
@Dan Keane: Nah it’s a made up slogan which has no bearing on science and reality.
@Daisy – the bit that’s not made up is that abortion ends innocent lives.
Nobody can deny that fact.
@Dan Keane: Nobody does deny that fact. Miscarriages also end “innocent lives”.
@Dan Keane: Abortion ends a pregnancy :)
Nobody can deny this FACT :)
@daisy chainsaw why are you comparing abortion to miscarriage? That’s like comparing someone dying of a heart attack or stroke to murder…
@Oonaghpoonagh: You still whining away about a woman’s legal right to procuring an abortion..
5. “It’s estimated that 250,000 Irish people are alive today because abortion wasn’t available in Ireland”
Is this necessarily negative?…would these children have suffered neglect, rejection, poverty, suffered from sever physical or mental disorders….?
@winston smith: It’s a funny estimation, one that assumes that those 250.00 pregnant women would have preferred to have abortions. Maybe they all did, maybe some didn’t – in which case some of those 250.000 aren’t alive because of lack of abortion access at all.
I’m pretty sure if you ask them now or their grand children, then yes it would be a positive…
@Lad: How they feel now would be irrelevant to how the felt while pregnant.
Exactly and luckily we have this thing called hindsight which we learn from
@Lad: What is that supposed to mean in what context?
@Lad: “If” is a load of poppycock :)
The women got an abortion (which is their legal right )and the majority of them go on to live extremely happy & contented lives afterwards :)
@Lad: My mother had an abortion as a teenager, and if she had not, neither I, nor my sisters, nor any of our children would have been born. The foetus she aborted didn’t even notice that it didn’t get born, and her life was better for it. Abortions happen, life goes on, and other lives may come about as a result. Think of all the lives that didn’t happen as a direct result of the lives that were ‘saved’ due to lack of abortion access in Ireland (i.e. babies born subsequent to an abortion, who weren’t, because the abortion didn’t happen): doesn’t really make sense to mourn for them, does it? Same for aborted foetuses. They will never notice the difference.
That foetus was a brother or sister of yours. That is a fact.
@Chris Martin: if it had been brought to term, it would not have been her sibling, though, as she would not have been conceived.
They have the same parents..they are siblings.
@Chris Martin:
They would not have been siblings had the first pregnancy been carried to term, unless you consider every separate egg/sperm of your parents your siblings.
There is every possibility she still could have been conceived. The definition of a sibling is one of 2 or more individuals having at least one parent in common. That makes them siblings.
@Chris Martin:
I’m sure you know better than she does.
Facts are facts.
@Chris Martin: Of course they are. A question, though, what kind of use does this one have other than giving you something to post?
Ditto.
@Chris Martin: So totally pointless then.
@Krsitine Wahl if it makes you feel better then go ahead and think that. Otherwise stick to the discussion at hand.
@Chris Martin: Exactly what is the discussion at hand? The facts are facts bit, the foetus sibling that wouldn’t have had her as a sibling had it been carried to term or the ditto, whatever that was supposed to mean?
The discussion is about abortion/the unborn/choice/possibly repealing the 8th, not how you feel about certain comments that are posted. If you feel it was pointless then good for you but you are making a mighty deal out of something that you apparently think was “pointless”.
@Chris Martin:
Was there a point?
@Chris Martin: My point was that if my mother had carried the first pregnancy to term, my father (who came along a bit later) would not have dated, married, or fathered me and my sisters with her. We would not exist. Sure, if we had never been conceived, we would not know the difference. My point is that it is virtually the same for the foetus, in the sense that it is not aware of its existence and therefore unable to feel existential angst at its loss of a chance to develop into a person.
It would do immeasurably more good if anti-choicers would focus their deep concern on babies and children who ARE aware, who suffer from lack of food, inadequate housing, access to education, etc. These children suffer. It is actual, living, breathing children who should be taken care of and properly provided for.
Another fact check victory for the pro life crowd.
How so? It doesn’t address any of the main points of the debate around FFA,TFMR,rape,incest and other scenarios,it’s actually a pointless leaflet that won’t influence anyone.
90% of potential babies with down syndrome aborted , that’s very disturbing if figure is correct. But I guess you can’t argue if it’s her choice
Is it very disturbing?
@winston smith do you not think Down syndrome people have anything to offer? Of course it’s disturbing when 90% are aborted. They live a decent quality of life and are loved and adored by their family members.
I think it’s revolting that the Anti-Choice fascists use Down Syndrome babies as a tool for their propaganda,shameless manipulation and arrogance to speak on behalf of people with the condition.
@Tariq oh right so you think mentioning the fact that 90% are aborted is disgusting but not the actual fact that 90% are aborted because they’re not quite perfect. Ye that’s totally fine. It’s the statistic that’s disgusting.
Oona I would not find it disturbing at all if a woman choose this option.
It’s not the propaganda I’m concerned about we aren’t talking about a leaflet here I’m a human being and I find it disturbing to think people decide to abort their child when they find out they will have down syndrome. I know of many of them and they are pleasant loved individuals. I’m not thinking of propaganda or leaflet. It just doesn’t seem right and that has nothing to do with choice or anti choice boll”X you come out with.
@Jake Gunnderson 100% agree with your comment. I don’t understand how the idea of choice takes precedence over everything else.
@Tariq ibn Ziyad: Rolling out the DS kids like they’re andrex puppies. Disgusting.
@oonagh exactly it’s just treated too black and white while no choice in life is ever that simple especially one like this. And what sort of message does that statistic send out to people if it’s accurate irregardless of whether it’s a legal choice or not
Oonagh , people with Down syndrome. ..
@suzie sunshine I said it in reverse my mistake
I think Oonagh’s description of people with Down Syndrome as ‘Down syndrome people’ quite telling. Exactly Daisy,just like Andrex puppies,they are truly disgusting to use people with the condition as pawns.
The usual rabble Con led by Sherlock,O’Brien and Quinn.
I don’t know any Muslims Con but you seem to be fond of making disparaging comments about them,par for the course I suppose.
@Tariq ye you can tell a lot alright from that. You can also tell a lot about a person who thinks it’s ok to abort a baby because they have Down syndrome. On balance I think I know which one is worse…
@Tariq are you well Tariq? You don’t know any Muslims? “Proud Muslim from England, my heart is in Córdoba”.
Bravo to the women & their families who can bring up any child with a severe disabilities
Bravo to the women & their families who accept that they cannot bring up any child with severe disabilities
Bravo to the “pro life” people that have put their name forward to look after & pay for the child’s costs right up to their passing.Bravo!
Is it me or is this article skewed towards pro abortion ? Every mostly true or true answer came with a “however” like they were trying to disprove it.
@Mumpsimus: Strange that, it’s as if the leaflet’s sources aren’t generally agreed upon or don’t show the whole picture.
@Mumpsimus: I’ve never met a pro-abortion person. Jaysis, imagine if someone had the view that all pregnancies should be terminated. Could you explain?
Is my maths correct here? 85 percent of it is not 100 percent correct?
@Barry C Mc Govern: The “Prolife” faux “Institute” is the Sex Panther of Information Leaflets.
First I am tired of people who not from Ireland don’t know the grassroots of Ireland the real struggles of been Irish now in Irish society telling us how to decide the life of the next generation.
Secondly anybody who studied logic in university knows its either true or false .A one percent deviation from above factcheck it is reasonable to assume its VERY VERY true and very real.
Thirdly I have seen first hand over 5 year period women in great distress with dealing with emotions of after having an abortion noone should go through this if even one woman goes through this then we should discourage it beyond any reasonable doubt .
Lastly its just sad to see life and death been brought down to statistics have we got to this 1984 orwellian society where stats determine how guilty we feel mostly true or mostly false or maybe so guilty we cause even ONE more unnecessary suicide amongst Irish society.The true control on women is giving them unnecessary choice to cull population the masons and freemasons of old and new laugh uncontrollably at Irish society debating this issue
@Pat Healy: What about the women who aren’t in great distress after abortions? Or the ones in great distress after having babies? What are we going to do?
What are you talking about? Your grammar and syntax is appalling
After reading that nonsense I find it hard to believe that you studied logic, or anything else for that matter, in university.
@Kristine Wahl: The point of this debate is to protect both mother and baby having an abortion doesn’t protect mother all you have to do is read testimonials from women with horror stories in abortion clinics .If even one mother and/or one baby is lifeless because of changing the 8th amendment then it is reasonable to assume it should not be changed one word .the ones in great distress after giving birth ? then people and families are not giving required support something is wrong in our society maybe lack of love and compassion .
@Gareth Murphy: Relativity solves every confusion :)
@George Salter: that could be fatal foetal abnormality thank God my family were ignorant of necessity to succeed in society based on grammar :)
@Pat Healy:
The majority (92%) of women procured an abortion in the first trimester
The majority (95%) of women that procured an abortion do not regret their decision :)
The majority (99%) said that it was the right decision for them at that time in their life :)
The majority (61%)of women were already mothers :)
The majority (57%) of women were using some sort of protection when they got pregnant :)
The majority(100%) of these women procured a safe,legal abortion
No need to thank me for these facts :)
@Pat Healy: “the true control on women is giving them unnecessary choice to cull the population…” do you have any idea how ridiculous that statement is? Also where you have experience of a few who regret abortions, I know many who do not.
@Pat Healy: Do you mean “Protect women from making the wrong decision” or “protect women from having control over their own lives and bodies”? The former can be remedied with access to unbiased counselling, the other is just condescending. Women and babies have already died because the 8th was inserted and inform hospital policy more than best practise does. Removing the legal need for a real and substantial threat to life is not going to make it worse.
No, the women who deeply regret having children and becoming mothers. If they can be supported by family and society in their regrets, so can women who regret having the abortion.
I don’t see how “look at all the abortions that happen” is an argument for anything. Yes, if abortion is legal there will be more abortions than there would be if it were illegal. Unless I’m missing something here O.o
@joanna I think the point is that they are done willy nilly and not as a result of FFA etc which is what the abortion bill in the Uk was meant to allow for. The suggestion is that the same will happen here. I can’t imagine anyone would think a lot of abortions is a positive thing
@Oonaghpoonagh: “Willy nilly”? Jesus.
@daisy chainsaw sorry daisy is there something wrong with the phrase “willy nilly”
Yes,it’s a disgusting slur against women you have to make tough and heart-breaking choices,and have to go to England because of the fascists on the Anti-Choice campaign.
@Oonaghpoonagh: In the context of reproductive choices “willy nilly” seems a bit out of place. Are woman also having babies willy nilly?
@Tariq ibn Ziyad: But your friend in ISIS are murdering women and raping women each day.
You’re making very slanderous connections Con accusing an Irish citizen of being associated with a listed terrorist organisation,I hope you have a good lawyer.
@Tariq ibn Ziyad: why don’t you head off to the middle east to help your ISIS friends, we don’t need your opinion about the laws in our country. Mind your own business ok!
My family line in this country goes back centuries Jeremy and I’m a fluent Irish-speaker,as for you,an American Youth Defense troll.
@Tariq ibn Ziyad: why the ridiculous handle and logo u o#f? Pray explain, just to annoy ppl?
Says ‘Jeremy DeChad’ LOL!
@kristine wahl ye some are actually Kristine. Only the other day heard a woman on the radio with 16 kids. Was contemplating another if the husband wanted one when he got out of prison. 16 kids and counting is willy nilly in my opinion. No question of can I afford it. Who will pay for another child etc
@Tariq if you’re family are Irish why do you have “proud Muslim from England, my heart is in Córdoba” on your profile?
@Oonaghpoonagh: because he can :)
@rosie @ Tariq he has multiple personality disorder I guess
@Oonaghpoonagh: So 16 kids = willy nilly, and 1 or 2 abortion(s) = willy nilly?
Willy nilly is anything that is done without contemplating the gravity of ones actions and consequences
@Oonaghpoonagh: And you think women have abortions willy nilly? Why?
@kristine wahl well it’s hard to generalise that many women as you and I both know not everyone is built responsible and not everyone is irresponsible. Some do get abortions willy nilly but others don’t. I wouldn’t try and generalise that many women into all being the same. I know of friends that have gotten abortions coz they didn’t use protection and decided they wanted to wait another year or two as they hadn’t gone travelling etc to me that’s not a good enough reason to get an abortion.
but your friends in isis are murdering and raping women every day .are you going to deny that MrTariq ibn Ziyad
@Oonaghpoonagh:
I thought your willy nilly was as per definition “not having thought it through”, and now all of a sudden it’s about what you consider a good enough reason?
@Tariq ibn Ziyad: is that the ibn ziyads from Thurles or Gorey, or maybe the ibn Ziyads from the Aran Islands
@kristine wahl …without considering the gravity or consequences of what it is they are doing. Not considering it to be a drastic option which should really only be considered in the most severe cases. In my opinion. Nit picking much Kristine?
@Oonaghpoonagh: Of course,your “friends” have gotten “abortions.” Always amazes me how antis have “friends” that confide in them about their “abortions” Hilarious stuff.
@Oonaghpoonagh: Nope, no nits. Just pointing out that not sharing your views and opinion does not equate to not thinking things through. I know for certain that considering the consequences is the one thing women do do when faced with an unplanned pregnancy, what else could they possibly be doing?
@francis McCarthy why would you disbelieve me? You presume I’m going around banging a drum shouting and condemning people on their abortions? I can assure you my friends confided in me zany no I didn’t lecture them. My thoughts are my thoughts. I happen to have a problem with it outside of FFA and other extreme circumstances.
@Oonaghpoonagh: Yeah,right…Look,I really don’t care if you have a ‘problem’ with it,as that is your right.But,women have a right to procure an abortion in the UK & this gives me great delight.And,it will stay that way,too .Whine away.
@francis McCarthy whine away?? Right. You’re amazingly talented at arguing your point. My mind has been changed.
@Oonaghpoonagh: I could never change your mind,so I dealt with a fact.And that fact is,is that you whine constantly about women who procure abortions. Simples.
Just on point 3: You appear to have omitted miscarriages. I doubt that stats are in any way accurate if they exist at all, but the rate of miscarriage as identified by some studies (approx 25% is one I have seen) would halve the percentage in the UK.
As a person who has had an abortion, I can say that 100% of any psychological trauma I might have felt in the aftermath is entirely due to the horrible attitudes, name-calling, shaming, and misinformation campaigns that permeate Irish society. I know many women who have had abortions, and not a single one among my acquaintances regrets her decision.
They may not regret them now but whos to say they wont regret them tommorow, or in a year or in 5 years. There is a lifetime to be lived before you can say you never regretted something.
@Chris Martin: I know people who had abortions over 20 years ago, still not regretting it. Whose to say that those feeling regret now won’t feel later that it was the best choice for them.
@Dell: Antis want the woman who procures an abortion to feel huge guilt,they want her to have serious psychological problems,too.This would bring them great pleasure..
@Chris Martin there is nothing that could happen, not a single thing, that could possibly cause me to regret my choice. I can say this with certainty, because I am intimately familiar with all the circumstances that led to my decision. These circumstances will not change in the future, they’ve already happened! The only person who has to be satisfied that I’ve made the right choice is me, and I am.
Virginia the circumstances of why you had the abortion will never change but how you feel about it may…there is no guarantee it wont.
@Chris Martin : She is telling you that she has no regrets,but yet you persist with your belief that she will show regret in the future..I find Virginia to be a breath of fresh air on here,,And, she is very like the majority of women that I hear of online that have had an abortion-they show absolutely no regret.Good luck in your future, Virginia.
Not a belief..just a possibility is all.
Thank you, Francis. @Chris Martin: The fact that you seem to feel the need to mansplain my feelings gets at the heart of what is wrong with this discussion. WOMEN ARE PEOPLE with complex thoughts and emotions. You do not seem to trust that a woman can think something through thoroughly enough to make a decision that she believes will be best for her.
So okay, playing along: Say I have regrets later. a) that does not mean it was not also the right decision. b) it does not follow that the regret will be of the crippling, stay-in-bed-all-day-and-cease-to-function variety. As a rational person, I can examine any regrets and feel my feelings, and if I need to seek counselling that is available. c) I can state categorically that, while I may (in your future) feel regrets, I can guarantee that had I been forced to carry that pregnancy to term I would experience regret and despair every day of my life. and finally, d) any future regret I might feel would be offset by the knowledge that I made use of my free will and agency to take control of a terrible situation, and I can own any potential regrets fully.
These facts are true, but only have significant impact when one ignores the facts omitted : 1# Women don’t travel to England for an abortion just for the sake of it. #2 Women aren’t vessels. #3 a fetus =/= a baby
Where’s the Pro-Choice FactCheck article?
There’s nothing like the Eighth to bring out messenger shooters.
The Pro-Life brigade were the most unchristian people I have ever met in my life!! And I’ve met a lot of people!! They should be banned from opening their mouths. No real compassion in their hearts!! I am and always will be pro-choice!! Of course abortion is a very emotive subject and a last resort. But the choice is for the mother to decide. And those people (PL)should know as Christians, that you can’t kill the soul!!
@june rose-sommer but June from the uk stats you can see it’s not being used just as a last resort. 1 in 5 is outrageous when you think about it.
@Oonaghpoonagh: Its a magnificent stat & what it shows,is that women are using their right to their bodily autonomy .Suck it up.
@francis McCarthy yay let’s celebrate it. Come on girls lets all have abortions just coz we can. Brilliant.
@Oonaghpoonagh: Damn right,I will celebrate a woman’s right to her bodily autonomy. You’re right,it is brilliant!
@francis McCarthy do you see any other factors besides the women’s right to chose? Also are you male?
@Oonaghpoonagh: As long as people will be having sex,women will be procuring abortions.And,as illegal abortions kill up to 78,000 women a year worldwide,then I am only too happy that they can procure them in a safe environment.I put the woman who has contributed to this society a way ahead of an embryo & foetus.
Yes,I am male! So what?
@francis McCarthy thought so. Well that’s the crux of it right there Francis you put the women first I consider both.
@Oonaghpoonagh: Well,that is the crux of it right there with you,you put the ZEF above the human being. I respect her choice.
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