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SINN FÉIN WILL table a motion of no confidence in Housing Minister Eoghan Murphy in the coming weeks, according to Mary Lou McDonald.
However, Fianna Fáil’s Micheál Martin has said his party won’t support it.
Speaking to her party members at this year’s think-in in Cavan, the Sinn Féin president said it will be “decision time for the government and for Fianna Fáil”.
“Does the government and Fianna Fáil stand over the Minister and his appalling record or do they stand with us and say it’s time to go? Do they stand with the people or not,” she said this morning.
“We have 10,000 people homeless, the population of Longford town homeless, on his watch and things are getting worse.
“This is a national crisis. This is a scandal. It is time to call a halt. It is time for the Minister to go,” said McDonald, with her words sparking applauds from the crowd.
The motion of no confidence, which indicates the political will within the Dáil to pursue certain issues, places pressure on Fianna Fáil to either support the government, or go against them, risking a collapse in the current set-up. Fianna Fáil’s pledge to support a Fine Gael minority government is due to end after the next Budget in October.
Speaking on RTÉ’s Sean O’Rourke programme, Martin said he had an obligation to support the government on certain issues as part of confidence and supply.
When asked about whether his party would support the Sinn Féin motion, he said:
No. I’ve said this before the summer. Motions of no confidence are not going to build a single house. We’re going to focus on the budget to get a priortisation around housing.
This is not the first time that Sinn Féin has threatened to put down a motion of no confidence in the housing minister.
The threat of a motion of no confidence was raised after earlier this year when Murphy was criticised over his handling of the homelessness crisis and the government’s efforts to tackle the housing shortage.
But it was announced at the Sinn Féin Ard Fheis in June that the party would drop the motion of no confidence in Murphy.
In her address today, McDonald said Murphy “is failing and out of touch”.
“Sinn Féin would make the difference in housing. The policy of this government is failing the homeless, failing those renting and those who strive to own a home. We now have a generation of workers who will never afford to own a home,” she added.
Speaking to the media in Cavan, McDonald said Fianna Fáil have sat on their laurels and kept Fine Gael in government.
“Shame on Micheál Martin. Shame on Fianna Fáil,” she said.
Stay with @TJ_Politics for all the latest from the Sinn Féin think-in in Cavan.
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Fianna Fáil, fake opposition.
@Ryan Kelly: Fainna Fáil will join labour in the 3 % club after this self serving display propong up this government
@Ryan Kelly: Its actually comical they talk as they are not part of the government but they are in a coalition….only in this country would this go on, nothing but a total bananna republic.
@Ryan Kelly: spot on, Norway and Finland are now homelessness free due to some radical but joined up thinking. But in Ireland a solution means it’s impossible to justify pointless committee’s and special advisors. It’s an industry of Misery’s
@Ryan Kelly: Puppets run by the puppet master so very sad
@Genius 80s+: would you like to see a different govt and if so who??
@Genius 80s+: if they didn’t die off after the 2011 election they never will
@James Gorman #FBPE: Sinn Féin and the Social Democrats and a few Independents like the ones who ran as Independents4Change, if they could get the numbers that’d be the Government I’d like to see get a shot.
FF will retreat to their burrows and abstain. No surprises there.
Come on Journal let’s have your article version on Leo Varadkars new book. Especially on the part where he suggested to create fake spin profiles on line in a concerted effort to hoodwink the public and spread positivity about Fine Gael. Wouldn’t be right to sweep it under sofa.
@Tweed Cap: so, like what they are already doing
@Tweed Cap: exactly. Journal only does approved Leo PR. Never does any investigation of his broken promises and lies or his very long list of failures in a short time
a there will be a reshuffle, new housing minister, same problems, he’ll moan baout how he’s only in the job 5 minutes hasn’t much time to do anything then he will be shuffled, same oul same oul
@Lisa Byrne: i think the problem is with the Department of Finance. Every organ of the state seems to be geared towards ensuring the Banks and NAMA make bigger profits. The only way they can is to increase the price of land and houses. A very short sighted view, its just another tax on young productive workers. Having a Housing minister who wants to solve the issue would be a good start though.
Just like the last two coalition government junior partners, the Greens and Labour, Fianna Fáil are heading straight for the dustbin of history. I often test folk to see if they remember the name of the Leader of the Greens supporting Biffo’s government. Most can’t remember! So it will be with Labour and Fianna Gail and the sooner the better!’
@Niall Sheridan: Fianna Fáil aren’t dying out quite th opposite in fact because A) they have an unshakeable support base and B) they aren’t in a traditional coalition, at least as we know it.
Your point about junior coalition partners is actually very interesting and is a fact of Irish political life as long as I can remember. The rainbow coalition ™ of the early to mid 90s resulted in the destruction of the Democratic Left, the FF majority government of the Celtic Tiger years ended up wiping out the PDs (while their bigger partner actually made gains). There are only 3 parties, maybe as little as 2, that can endure a period of government without ceasing to exist. It doesn’t seem to be an exclusively Irish phenomenon either, look at the LIbDems in the UK. Coalition government invariably benefits the larger party.
@Shane McGettrick: they aren’t in a traditional coalition?, so they did not agree with FG a programme for goverment before forming the coalition that is not a coalition?……one word, comical.
@Peter Hughes: its not a traditional coalition, its a confidence and supply agreement. Basically the same thing by a different name, it’s the same deal that tbe tories have with the DUP. FF wield some power while still being able to sit on the fence and fling crap at all and sundry. To use a well worse phrase FF and FG are 2 cheeks of the same arse anyway, but the trivial differences between the parties run so deep that it’s impossible for them to merge. It’s somewhat hilarious that the 2 largest parties in the state are ideologically identical.
It’s very clear now f f are in defacto government. It’s an affront to democracy when the opposition share power with government.It’s basically two finger’s to the people’s mandate .
@Greedylocks:
The people being SF’s 14% I suppose?
How very democratic.
@Brinster: That’s an interesting extrapolation from his comment. Care to share how you came to the conclusion that he was saying what you infer?
@Brinster: laughable comment,let you keep on shaking your fist at the moon
@Greedylocks: they wont get away with another typical Irish “supply and confidence” fudge again anyway! will be interesting to see what off these bullshitters do when it comes to forming the next government…
@Shane Zerbe: totally agree, setting up my own political party- the gobsh*teary and amnesia after election movement . Reckon I will be in the aras after two failed tenures in the Senate
@Brinster: What’s going on in Dail Eireann is making a mockery of democracy. There has to be meaningful opposition or there is no democracy.
If sinn fein included working people in their housing plan and advocated public housing open to all at sustainable rents instead of free social housing only for the work shy underclass at the cost of descent hard working taxpayers they would garner the support of a high portion of the working public, but no their voter base is the free hand out brigade.
@Sir fartalot: is that so now. Well FG got a lot of the younger working people vote last 2 elections. Wonder will they vote again for FG when they cant afford to buy a house or to rent. Any housing that’s built whether social or not helps. And if we could have the state build all types of housing it would be a buffer to this crazy boom bust cycle
@Sir fartalot: Are you one of Leo’s anonymous accounts?
@Irish Bob: Seriously? The PS has given us the outrageously expensive disaster that is the HSE, any infrastructure project the state does is usually double or triple the initial costing and years late, the social housing that already exists is poorly maintained and a large proportion of rents are in arrears (by years in many cases), try and get the council to do something as simple as fill a pothole, you’ll be waiting! and you expect the state the build houses for vast swathes of the public? Come on
@Irish Bob: I stated that the state should build public housing at fair rents open to working people not just social housing for the underclass. My polutics is no where near fine gael.
This is about far more than Eoghan murphy. You think if there was a will to solve this from all involved, that Eoghan Murphy would make much difference, that SNAKE Varadkar, should convene an emergency meeting, get the key figures together and put a plan in place, that is if you believe that those SNAKES have any will to sort the “problem” because the only problem it creates for them, is having to look like they are doing something and paying out false platitudes! Its a fantastic opportunity for them and their mates. Even if you look at it on a basic level and not just how many of them are landlords, how many are homeowners? delighted with the increasing prices? all of them?
@Shane Zerbe: They are actually complex issues involved here. The housing crisis is an EU wide issue (same in Australia, Canada etc as well). Jumping straight to ill intent as an explanation is actually fairly childish. Give us your solution for fixing the problem if its so obvious.
Another I turn from SF. What about the 12000 homeless in NI under SF watch
@Patrick O Connell: 12,000 homeless in the north? Care to back up that wildly inaccurate claim?
@Dreyfus: it’s in black and white, SF had to do something popular after refusing to condemn Trumps visit which they can’t do because of the dollars they receive every year from the yanks for the cause
@Dreyfus: what’s your reply dreyfus??? You’ve gone quiet!!! Do you not like being presented with the facts.
@Mairtin Antaine O Conaill: no, not gone quiet, just busy doing other things, like working. I dont dispute the 12,000 homeless figure. Its the way Patrick has used it without differentiating between homeless and living in the streets The vast majority of those 12,000 homeless in NI are provided with the safety net of social housing by the state in Northern Ireland. So there you have it, successul support provided by the public authority of which you accuse Sinn fein of playing a leading role. unlike in the republic where the state has turned its back and closed its eyes to an ever worsening housing crisis. So do you give SF credit for anything or only selectively state statistics to cast blame?
@Mairtin Antaine O Conaill: If you guys bothered to even read the BBC link, it states clearly It says “NIHE deals with those who are homeless almost exclusively by providing them with a social rented home.
As a result around 80% of social homes that become available across Northern Ireland are allocated to households designated as statutory homeless.”
Our homeless are people who dont have social housing or otherwise. B&Bs and hotel rooms can never be classified as providing proper accomodation.
@Patrick O Connell: it actually says in that article you didn’t bother reading that “homelessness is not equated with rough sleeping” and that the majority of social houses in NI are given to those classed as homeless. I think you read as far as the part with a big number in it and got a wee bit too excited.
@Mairtin Antaine O Conaill: what’s your reply Martin??? You’ve gone quiet!!! Do you not like being presented with the facts?
@Patrick O Connell: You talk about homelessness in the north “under SF’s watch”. Perhaps you are blissfully unaware that the issue has been under the remit of a DUP minister for almost the entire time since the GFA, with only two SDLP ministers also ever having held the role?
@Dreyfus: jaysus you wouldn’t even get that in Leo’s propaganda…12,000 homeless in the north..they kept that quiet
@Paul Gurney: Under a DUP minister, Paul.
If Mary Lou and SF could scratch their heads and bring forward proposals facilitating the release to market of reasonably priced development land throughout Ireland, which would facilitate delivery of affordable homes, it would be much more beneficial than the posturing in calling a Dail VOC on the housing minister.
This is the horns of the dilemma in housing upon which a Government is impaled.
So come on Mary Lou, let’s hear it!
Just why do the Irish people vote FG and FF??
Just why??
@Jonathan Yeo: Because we have a nation of hypocrites, moan for years about how bad they are but when election time comes we still trot along and give them our votes… embarrassing really…
@Jonathan Yeo: I would say this, the independents only care about themselves, if you wanted to effect societal change, you wouldnt run as an independent. Its easy to canvass saying “the parties are rubbish” vote for me. FF are a joke, SF what are they going to do? make it even harder for workers? FG, they are grand for all of them “I’m alright jacks” in society, probably wont result in any where near as many boom / busts with them and there is far more restraint on PS pay and pensions etc. BUT they are doing outrageous societal damage on the housing front to the young and youngish, primarily.. A 1.50 a week tax decrease if you earn 30,000k a year V what property and general inflation will cost you per week? LOL! FG, “rewarding the tax payer”, its comedy!
@Shane Zerbe: Better than voting for a shower of left wing, socialist, civilian killing apologists/
@Ros Aodha: look SF I believe control Dublin city council, all the are, is anti development, low density as possible. They could massively reduce the cost of apartment building. That is at local level, so the hilarity that SF at a national level decrying Murphy and his efforts! SF can do a lot to improve the situation for many , but they wont, because they think it will cost them seats at local level from the OTHER MANY who are property owners in that constituency or anti development! Are we all starting to see the bigger picture?
@Shane Zerbe: I think its a bit harsh to blame the the housing mess in dublin on SF ….. Could they do more to help, Yes Im sure they could, but the blame lies with FF/FG more so surely, the ones in charge….
@Jonathan Yeo: It’s madness to repeat the same thing over and over again in any situation but people do it when it comes to voting. If you told me 20 years ago I would be voting for Sinn Fein now I would have laughed at you. Back then I was like the clueless idiots on here now saying hur durr SF/IRA… But they haven’t been given a chance so what’s the worst that can happen? Surely they can’t be worse than what we have now.
Fianna Fail should rename the party as FINE GALE 2 and be done with it,I for one will never vote fopr them ahain as long as Martin is leader
@James Mc Loughlin: FF are going to playing second fiddle for a very long time to come unless they get a new, probably young strong leader in, who will sort out issues like housing , health etc. But they they will have to have credible plans in place & INSIST they are red line issues when forming government talks start. Talk is cheap!
What about the 12000 homeless in NI under SF watchp
@banimovie: 80% are in social housing. Hardly the same.
Its time for Michael Martin to step aside..finna fail were always fr the working man and familys.. But Michael seemsto be blind to their Fate
As long as we keep paying off our bank loan to the EU things won’t change. We need some sort of bank forgiveness or a restructuring of our debts in order to correct our economy. This won’t happen with a FG/FF government because they are alright and screw the rest of us. GE NOW PLEASE LADS AND LASSIES.
Bye Bye Eohan..
Our politicians are a joke, especially the FF and FG ones!
@Adrian: and the SF ones too
@Patrick O Connell: dragging everybody else through the gutter with them. As FF and FG would says, its everybody’s fault, except FF and FG, but FF and FG are running the country, not everybody else.
Good
Since Eoghan Murphy was appointed housing minister, the number of homeless people has risen by 24%. Furthermore, shortly after Eoghan Murphy came in to office, FG pledged to build 1000 rapid-build homes – yet they have built only 208, despite currently owning 334 vast vacant sites across the state. Furthermore, last July, FG promised to get families out of emergency accommodation, including hotels and B&Bs. Here we are over a year later and latest figures show there are almost 9,872 people living in emergency accommodation. This is a story of gross ineptitude and gross callousness and is being facilitated by FG’s partners in FF. And the sheep will continue to vote for them.
Another I turn from SF. What about the 12000 homeless in NI under SF watchp
@Patrick O Connell: u turn
@Patrick O Connell: you may have just coined the phrase “I-turn”. Making a decision to Benefit yourself while giving the impression of benefiting someone else.
@Patrick O Connell: Under SF’s watch? Stop showing yourself up as such a spoofer. Housing has been under the remit of a DUP minister for almost all of the 20 years since the GFA. The only other two ministers to have had held the role were SDLP ones.
Populist bull
@Martin Brennan: Do you think he is doing a great job or even a good job?
@Niallers: not a supporter of any politician they are all on the gravy train and tax payer is robbed blind.
There is no magic solution to the problem and the amount of political landlords publicans holiday home owners the list goes on and contributors to the journal thinks sacking the posh boy will make a difference- come on – new broom same problem
@Martin Brennan: your right there no magic solution. Its an easy one to solve, build houses. Leo, Murphy and Harris for starters need to be put out to pasture
@Martin Brennan: Another of Leo’s anonymous accounts.
Shame on FF albeit perhaps it suits them to leave the clown Murphy in situ, after all he’s a legend in generating bad head lines
*Fianna Fail
The difference between FF & FG ?
@MickNev: very little, but I definitely believe that IF you had a gun to your head and had to vote for either, FG is the lesser of two evils…
What do you expect, its all about ME ME ME or in this case FF FF FF. They dont want to go to the polls now, FG are riding high, not one competent party to challenge them. They are all self serving snakes!
Ah it’s good to see the Fianna Fail party haven’t lost their cute hoor tag and talking out of both sides of their mouth. It be nice for once in their inglorious history and put the interests of the country first and support the no confidence motion of the spoofer Murphy and FG.
One guy wayyyyyyyyyyy out of his depth.
She knew months ago FF wouldn’t support this, PR won’t build housing. Now if the councils were given money to build corporation houses it may work.
@wattsed: the councils are probably the most guilty of inaction! They want to build as little as possible in their areas to appease local residents. Insist on apartment standards that are way to costly for average workers. They own masses of land and are sitting on it! The councils are a far bigger issue in this farce than Eoghan Murphy! Eoghan Murphy is a PAWN in this game. There are far bigger things at play and the establishment, dont want change, that includes, FG, councils and councillors. If they wanted change, we would have it. IF the people demanded change, we would have it…
FF needs to be wiped out if they side with FG,it will truly show they have no concern for citizens of this country.
whats the difference between fg ff sf and lab ?…none
Let the political games begin.
FG FF disgraceful and Unnaceptable
That’s all mary Lou is good for tabelling motions of no confidence . New leadership but same auld sh-te.
Homelessness increased by 81% from 2011-2016.
From 2011-2016 total housing stock increased by just 0.4% despite increasing population and up to 100,000 on social housing waiting lists.
Child Homelessness increased by 447% from 2014-2018.
Experts say child development has been delayed in homeless children and also stress levels increased.
Ireland just uses 3/7Categories of ETHOS Light Categories of homeless so
eg:excludes 4/7 including children and women in Safe refuges which were 2349 children in 2016&1658 women in 2016.
CSO estimates that by 2051 the population could increase to 6.69m,an 1.85m of an increase from today’s population.Ireland has National emergencies in Homelessness and Housing and I can’t understand why Government don’t have an URGENT hunger to take EMERGENCY ACTIONS to ADEQUATELY tackle the emergencies.The people affected can’t wait decades,their children can’t spend their childhoods in emergency accommodation, people’s mental health being badly affected,workers and students need affordable accommodation,there needs to be real security of tenure re private rented accommodation and affordable rents.
These are the reasons I don’t have confidence in FG policies and I can’t understand why FF has confidence in FG policies!What is more important : the people interests (affected by these homeless and housing emergencies) or political interests?There are good people in all parties,now’s the opportunity to show backbone!
@Nuala Mc Namara: So what’s your solution?
@Damon16:
1)First of all recognise the true extent of the homelessness and housing emergencies and that means Ireland must start using all 7Categories of ETHOS Light or 13 ETHOS Categories to properly assess homeless and housing exclusion in Ireland.
2)Assess all reasons for (1) eg
April’18 DRHE detailed Report into families becoming homeless in Dublin Region 2016&2017 noted 2 major reasons: tenants losing their private rented accommodation after receiving Notice of terminations,etc or ‘family circumstance’relationship.Report highlighted that families may have moved out of private rented accommodation prior to moving in with friends or family following loss of private rented accommodation.It highlighted “Factors relating to the private sector may be UNDERSTATED as previous research reported many families DEFER presenting to homeless services by moving in with friends or family following loss of private rented accommodation”But this was not highlighted in July’18 Report.I can’t understand why!More detailed Reports need to be undertaken yearly like April’18 Report.
3)There needs to be emergency measures taken including legislation,not drip by drip solutions.
eg Census’16 stated there were 183,312 vacant houses and apartments:95,596 in urban areas and 87,716 in rural areas.These could be acquired by State /housing bodies purchase.
eg Significant vacant site taxes need to be introduced.It is shameful during homelessness and housing emergencies that there are vacant sites
eg Government were going to introduce fast tracking for digital centres,same could be done for social and affordable housing (it has reduced but still too long during an National Emergency!)
eg NAMA should be selling properties directly to Government agencies/AHB’s for same cost reductions vulture funds paying during this National Emergency (not Government buying them from vulture funds)
eg:there needs to be real security of tenure for private rented accommodation and longer tenancies
eg bring back bedsits
eg rents need to be affordable.54%workers earn €30,000& under.Plus even workers on higher wages find rents unaffordable.
eg Build real social housing (NOT private rented accommodation to be used as ‘social housing’!)and affordable housing(real average wage including all workers is around €27,000-€32,000) in adequate sufficient numbers. etc etc
3)With more social housing built ,the monies spent on HAP etc would reduce year after year and the savings could go towards further affordable housing construction.There was “€6.5B in subsidies paid to private rented sector over the past 12years”according to ML Taft.
With less demand on private rented sector after social and affordable housing construction ,rents should come Government could bring in legislation to make rental tenancies more secure and with longer tenancies
Also instead of private rented sector getting billions of euros in State subsidies,social housing tenants would be paying rents to LAs and those tenancies would have more security of tenure for low income tenants and workers.
Those are just a few ideas,I’ve plenty more!
@Nuala Mc Namara:
I agree with some of what you have said, however, you haven’t stated how it would be done? who would build the social housing (LAs have lost the skills and expertise for direct construction), there is a skills shortage in the construction industry in any event, should we begin hiring builders etc directly by the LA again – what would be the pension liabilities for this, local authority workers haven’t exactly got a stellar reputation for efficiency as far as i can see (a trip to your local council will show you that). How would all this be funded? It would require up-front capital expenditure,. The councils at present are unable to adequately maintain social housing to any decent standard. In fact much of the current social housing stock wouldn’t meet the standards demanded of private landlords under HAP. It would take several years to bring new social housing on-line in any event – what to do in the meantime. Its easy to lay out solutions, however those solutions are often not so easy to implement.
Btw the 6.5billion subsidy to landlords are not in fact subsidies, they are payment for services rendered. Landlords could charge the same rent to non-HAP renters without jumping through the bureaucratic hoops demanded by HAP scheme.
You’re right that more social housing is necessary – preferably avoiding the ghettoization of times past. But other measures are also necessary to boost supply, these include reducing taxes and charges on new builds, simplifying the planning process and the regulatory system, vacant site tax, reducing the tax burden on landlords and abolishing rental caps.
What a load of whataboutery from these socialist dreamers.
pity she doesn’t go… up north and form a government.
@Ros Aodha: SF have been trying to form a government in the six counties. In case you missed it, they came to an agreement witht e DUP back in February, only for the DUP to back out at the 11th hour because they couldn’t sell compromises to the Orange Order and the UDA. What sort of a silly deflection is that from the issue of FG’s record on homelessness anyway Ros?
@Ros Aodha: Maybe you should do some research as to why they wont , like them or not, they actually stick to their election promises , which is the complete opposite with Gov parties in the Republic.
Seriously S.F.. 30 years in demolition and now suddenly they are all about construction!
@Jams O’ Donnell: Would ya ever get a life and grow up. SF have been in peace for last 10 yrs .. A line was drwan in the sand .. Build a bridge and get over it .
why do you idiots vote for a housing minister who doesn’t even build houses?think about that
@Patrick McCann: It will be worse if the people who cant afford to rent or buy a house vote for them again.
@Irish Bob: You’re assuming there that voting in an alternative will mean that people will suddenly be able to afford to buy/rent. That’s nonsense. In fact what’s being proposed by the SF et al would likely make things worse.
FG got a lot of the younger working people vote last 2 elections. Wonder will they vote again for FG when they cant afford to buy a house or to rent. Any housing that’s built whether social or not helps. And if we could have the state build all types of housing it would be a buffer to this crazy boom bust cycle.
who cares about Sinn Fein?
when did they ever have a say?
who listens????
@Rob Doyle: If no one listened FFG wouldn’t give a flying one and FG fanboys like you would have no need to utter such rubbish.
Forgot to say that last year Northern Ireland Report measured homelessness and housing exclusion using 13 Categories of ETHOS typology! Ireland just uses 3/7Categories of the ETHOS Light Categories of homeless (shorter version)!
So why does Ireland exclude Categories?
Why doesn’t Ireland either use all 13Catergories of ETHOS or all 7Catergories of ETHOS Light?
ETHOS is European Typography of Homelessness and Housing Exclusion.
@Nuala Mc Namara: Brilliant comment Nuala.
michael martin will never run this country
What people don’t seem to get is that this is an issue everywhere in Europe atm. Its partly due to the quantitative easing by the ECB during the Euro crisis that has driven inflation of fixed assets and partly due to lack of house building during the great recession. Lack of housing is an issue now in every major EU city – Paris, Berlin, London etc. Thats just a fact. The mountain of regulation that has been put on developers and landlords over recent years here has driven up the cost of building/letting that’s just driven down supply even more. The answer is more social housing, land value tax and the removal of rent controls and the loosening of planning regulations. We banned bedsits a couple of years ago and now we have a phenomena of several people sharing a bedroom as that’s all they can afford. Typical example of do-gooder regulations making things worse not better.
@Damon16: The issue is FG’s neoliberal housing policy. Nothing else.
@Dave Doyle:
1. How do you explain the housing shortages in all the cities listed above then? Is that also a result of FG neoliberal housing policy?
2. You call rent caps, landlords being taxed to the hilt, onerous planning and construction regulations and taxes and charges adding another 50% on to the cost of a new build a neoliberal housing policy?
Bluff
Referendum on Housing .. badly needed … to utterly change the ground rules.
https://www.change.org/p/referendum-on-family-home-special-status-in-ireland
Michael Martin needs to get off the pot
Looks some tool in that helmet
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