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Calls to remove all maternity costs for women as abortion legislation introduced in Dáil

Simon Harris told the Dáil that in legislating for abortion services in Ireland, they are ‘making history’.

THERE WERE CALLS for all costs associated with maternity care to be scrapped due to the government’s intention to provide universal access to abortion services in Ireland. 

The Minister for Health Simon Harris introduced the Regulation of the Termination of Pregnancy Bill in the Dáil this afternoon.

It seeks to legalise abortion services in Ireland following May’s referendum result to appeal the Eighth Amendment from the referendum.

During the course of the debate, Harris said it is extremely important there be no cost barrier to termination services. 

Speaking in the Dáil today, Fianna Fáil’s Stephen Donnelly and Billy Kelleher said they supported today’s legislation. 

Universal access 

Both TDs said if abortion services are to be freely available to women, so should all costs and services associated with maternity. 

Donnelly said all costs including, appointments, specialised care, drug treatment and hospitalisation, which fall within the parameters of maternity care, should also be universally available. 

Highlighting one example, he said women who find they suffer from an extreme cases of vomiting and illness during pregnancy are often prescribed a drug called Cariban.

The drug is available in the Coombe, Rotunda and Holles Street maternity hospitals, but is very expensive and not available for women on the medical card. 

Donnelly told TDs it can cost from €1,500 to €3,000 for the medication. 

“Lets remove the costs in their totality,” he said. Kelleher agreed, stating that the issue of maternity costs has to be addressed “very quickly” if the Bill before the Dáil is legislating for universal access to abortion services. 

He said it makes “obvious sense” there be a move for free maternity services for all.

‘A new chapter on women’s health’

Speaking in the Dáil, Harris said: 

As Minister for Health, after all we heard during the campaign, after all I’ve learnt since I took this role, after everything we know of the dark past, I am determined we can begin a new chapter on women’s health. A chapter in which women are valued, their decisions are respected and they are cared for without judgment. This will be a priority for me in the time ahead.
Today we begin the job they have given us, of making the law that follows the repeal of the Eighth Amendment and after 35 years in our constitution, in doing so, we are also making history.

He went on to outline a number of sections in the legislation, such as how up to nine weeks gestation it is envisaged women will be treated by their doctor, but between nine and 12 weeks of pregnancy, women will be under the care of consultant obstetricians in hospital. 

Donnelly said politicians needed to question whether proposed amendments put to the Bill fall within the particular parameters of the Heads of the Bill.

The Heads of the Bill is what people based their vote on, he stated. 

Waiting period 

While he said there are aspects of the legislation that he did not agree with, including the three-day waiting period, he would be supporting it. 

He added that it is his understanding the inclusion three-day waiting period was political, stating that he understood it was added after a member of Cabinet questioned whether they could support the repeal of the Eighth Amendment. 

A number of TDs voiced their objections to the waiting period. 

Sinn Féin’s Louise O’Reilly said it was a “paternalistic” measure, stating that it assumes women are unsure about the decision they are making. 

Solidarity–People Before Profit’s Ruth Coppinger said the waiting period was not included in the Oireachtas Committee’s report on the issue, stating that such a measure is “unnecessary” and “patriarchal”. 

She said it would create a barrier for vulnerable women, adding that women from smaller towns and villages may have to travel to larger cities to see a doctor and would have to return there three days after the initial visit. 

Coppinger said the reflection period, which the minister said is used in many other jurisdictions, has been dropped in many countries, such as France. 

Solidarity–People Before Profit’s Bríd Smith said today should be celebrated, adding that she believed it was great that she was standing in the Dáil legislating for abortion. 

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    Mute John Campbell
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    Jul 28th 2017, 7:42 AM

    What a pity! The political class and the many chancers in public life have no one left who will challenge them. Time to circle the wagons.

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    Jul 28th 2017, 8:01 AM

    As television in ireland continues to go down the road of the bland leading the bland,I think it’s safe to say we will won’t see his likes of Vincent anytime soon. Unless Gene Kerrigan fancies turning his hand to TV?

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    Jul 28th 2017, 9:10 AM

    Vincent was the only one to ask the right questions and stick it to politicians and the like. Never one to be fobbed off. Well done

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    Jul 28th 2017, 7:41 AM

    A cantankerous contrary old git. Never though he got the best out of his guests because they were constantly on edge with him.

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    Jul 28th 2017, 8:14 AM

    @mickmc: like many of us he had a total aversion to the bullsh*t most politicians and media feed us with on a daily basis.

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    Jul 28th 2017, 8:36 AM

    @mickmc: Which is to say what? He upset the politicians who are used to being given a verbal lap dance by the likes of Miriam O’Callaghan or Pat the plank???

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    Jul 28th 2017, 8:37 AM

    @Martin Critten: Yes that’s true but I’m not sure his style of interviewing cut through it either. Sometimes you have to be clever about these things and tease the issue out unknowns to the interviewee.

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    Jul 28th 2017, 9:50 AM

    @mickmc: Put your money where your mouth is and apply to replace him, mick

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    Jul 28th 2017, 10:04 AM

    @Tony Skillington: If he was doing his job properly he wouldn’t be there to upset anyone, just give sensible debate to the issues of the day. VB was only interested in himself getting points across.

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    Jul 28th 2017, 10:11 AM

    @mickmc: hi joan !

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    Jul 28th 2017, 10:28 AM

    @Chris Kirk: I disagree completely, Chris. It was VB’s job to hold these people accountable, not just to give them another platform like they already had on RTE. If he wasn’t grilling them and making them squirm (knowing what we now know about the level of corruption in government), then he wasn’t doing his job. It was a very valuable service he provided in tandem with exemplary journalistic skills.
    It was his job to expose BS. If he never upset anyone, the whole program would’ve been pointless.

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    Jul 28th 2017, 10:38 AM

    @Joe Phillips: he held no one to account, he was making tv, nothing more nothing less. It was mildly entertaining but nothing more.

    Listening to you would would swear it was the public accounts committee he was running.

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    Jul 28th 2017, 10:46 AM

    @james connolly: no offence, james, but you’re not a reasonable commentator and I don’t know how to talk to you without paper and crayons.

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    Jul 28th 2017, 11:35 AM

    @Joe Phillips: Try balloons and buckets of confetti , he seems to like clowns .

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    Jul 28th 2017, 11:47 AM

    @Chris Kirk: RTE have been giving ‘sensible debates’ for 30 years and are frightened of upsetting the hand that feeds them. VB while acerbic in his questioning at times, does what any good journalist should do…shake up the political elite and cut through the horse $h1t that RTE seem only too happy to dole out. He is a breath of fresh air in public broadcasting and I applaud him for being so.

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    Jul 28th 2017, 10:00 PM

    @Joe Phillips: Did I in any way suggest I had the knowledge or the skill to do his job. You don’t have to be good at a job to recognise when someone else is doing a equally bad job too. I don’t think I ever make it as a premier league footballer at this stage, but that doesn’t say I wouldn’t recognise a bad one when I’d see him.

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    Jul 28th 2017, 9:41 AM

    Thanks Vinny for making politics interesting and being our cat among the pigeons.

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    Jul 28th 2017, 9:10 AM

    TheJournal.ie, how many articles have you published on this guy’s last show? I’m not sure you’ve got the finger on the pulse of the nation on this one.
    Yes, acknowledged it but you’re milking a very average news story over the past three days.

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    Jul 28th 2017, 11:37 AM

    Why did Glenda feel the need to capture the choir on her smartphone? Could she not have merely recorded the bleedin’ show? Yours, etc.

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    Jul 28th 2017, 12:12 PM

    @shouldweallbe: I agree! It just seems to be an automatic reaction for so many. They miss the actual core of what’s happening while trying to get a balanced photo on the phone! But what I couldn’t take my eyes off was Mary Lou smiling! She looked so different and quite lovely!!!!

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    Jul 28th 2017, 8:14 AM

    I didn’t bother watching it after his vomit inducing lovefest with the Leo the previous night.

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    Jul 28th 2017, 8:24 AM

    @Dante Marquinhos: That’ll show him who’s boss!

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    Jul 28th 2017, 8:37 AM

    @Honeybadger197:Oh I’d say you showed yourself who’s boss watching Leo the other night. That’s the thing about you Blueshirts, were other political supporters just follow their respective parties, you Blueshirts treat them like they are a boyband and you are a bunch of 14 year old girls with a crush.

    Extremely bizarre and disturbing behaviour from supporters of a political party.

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    Jul 28th 2017, 8:44 AM

    @Dante Marquinhos: Dry your eyes Dante. I’m sure in time you’ll forgive Vincent for talking to a Taoiseach and making you all upset and nauseous. I hope this helps x
    http://www.healthline.com/health/how-to-stop-vomiting-remedies

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    Jul 28th 2017, 8:57 AM

    @Dante Marquinhos: Talks about lovefest between presenter and politician, talks about sexual infatuation with politicians regularly… Methinks the Dante doth protest too much! Tell me Dante, how did this predilection for politicians first present itself?

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    Jul 28th 2017, 9:08 AM

    @Dante Marquinhos: “Psychological projection is a defense mechanism people subconsciously employ in order to cope with difficult feelings or emotions. Psychological projection involves projecting undesirable feelings or emotions ontosomeone else, rather than admitting to or dealing with the unwanted feelings”
    Its not your fault Dante. Its not your fault.

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    Jul 28th 2017, 9:14 AM

    @Honeybadger197: Good, the first step is admitting you have a problem. Well done Honey, you’re on the road to recovery. Best of luck!

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    Jul 28th 2017, 9:28 AM

    @Dante Marquinhos: Yes, would you please admit you have a problem.

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    Jul 28th 2017, 9:43 AM

    @Dante Marquinhos: Few things in life as funny as a triggered shinnerbot. You never disappoint.

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    Jul 28th 2017, 10:33 AM

    @Dante Marquinhos: Yep , disappointed with that one myself , perhaps if Vincent will do “one offs” in the future he can do a real interview with this smarmy git

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    Jul 28th 2017, 10:04 AM

    The underclasses though VB shows was about politics, everyone else saw it for the entertainment show it was.

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    Jul 28th 2017, 10:06 AM

    @james connolly: VB having a laugh at everyone elses expense

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    Jul 28th 2017, 10:20 AM

    @Chris Kirk: exactly.

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    Jul 28th 2017, 10:11 AM

    #gutted

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    Jul 28th 2017, 9:59 AM

    About as politically astute as my dead hamster, give me Andrew Marr and Andrew Neil any day of the week.

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    Jul 28th 2017, 10:30 AM

    I hope he still pops up on TV3 or somewhere else from time to time. It would help with the DTs!

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    Jul 28th 2017, 7:41 AM

    I liked his no nonsense couldn’t give a flying f*ck who you are approach.

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    Jul 28th 2017, 5:36 PM

    So apart from Gene Kerrigan what other journalist do we have that has the balls to take on the establishment .(Sorry ladies not meant to be a misogynist comment )

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    Jul 28th 2017, 8:05 PM

    Good riddance. A rude belligerent individual with no redeeming features. His interruptions made Cathal Mc Coille look like an amateur.

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