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FactCheck: Who got it right between Higgins and Ní Riada in the debate over speaking rights?

The debate was over the rights of presidents to address the Oireachtas.

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SATURDAY’S RADIO DEBATE between the six presidential candidates threw up a whole host of interesting questions.

There were some hypothetical questions about what the candidates would do as president, but there were also some disagreements about how the presidency should be conducted.

One such disagreement was between President Michael D Higgins and Liadh Ni Riada MEP on the practice of presidents addressing the Houses of the Oireachtas.

The Sinn Féin candidate said she felt there has been “a failure to address the Houses of the Oireachtas” by the current president, adding that she would exercise this right more frequently.

Higgins defended not doing so during his seven years, arguing that any such address would require government approval.

“I’ve given many speeches in the last seven years, and I’ve put a lot of myself into them,” President Higgins said.

The one speech that you’ve no control over is in fact the one you give in the Oireachtas. Because it has to go through the Council of State.

Ní Riada said Mary McAleese and Mary Robinson had given speeches to the Oireachtas, claiming that they had “pushed the boundaries” in doing so.

Higgins then said: “The text of your speech to the joint Houses of the Oireachtas has to be approved by government. And that was the case in both of the previous presidents that were referred to.”

“I would dispute that,” Ní Riada responded.

hig President Michael D Higgins and Liadh Ní Riada MEP during Saturday's RTÉ debate. RTÉ Player RTÉ Player

The MEP also said that as president she would have addressed the Oireachtas on “the awful issue of homelessness” and “on Palestine”.

This prompted Higgins to interject once more and the two had the following disagreement:

Higgins: The government will have approved your speech.

Ní Riada: The haven’t always approved your speech.

Higgins: Yes they have.

So who was right in this dispute?

Claims: 1) The government is required to approve a president’s speech to the Oireachtas.

2) Governments have always done so.

debate 242_90556332 President Michael D Higgins. Sam Boal / RollingNews.ie Sam Boal / RollingNews.ie / RollingNews.ie

The facts

The right of the President to address the Oireachtas is contained under Article 13.7 of the Constitution and it has only been invoked four times.

Once by Éamon de Valera in 1966, twice by Mary Robinson (1992 and 1995) and once by Mary McAleese (1999).

Article 13.7 has three parts and it reads:

1. The President may, after consultation with the Council of State, communicate with the Houses of the Oireachtas by message or address on any matter of national or public importance.

2. The President may, after consultation with the Council of State, address a message to the nation at any time on any such matter.

3. Every such message or address must, however, have received the approval of the government.

Article 13.7.3 of the Constitution clearly states that any address given by the President to the Oireachtas must have received the approval of government.

Asked by TheJournal.ie about the dispute involving Ní Riada and Higgins, the Campaign To Re-elect Michael D Higgins pointed to this section of the Constitution.

Sinn Féin was also asked a number of queries but responses were not were received on time of publication. However, during the Claire Byrne Live debate last night, Ní Riada did seem to concede that the government would have to be given speeches prior to them being made in the house. 

debate 190_90556334 Liadh Ni Riada after attending the RTÉ radio debate. Sam Boal / RollingNews.ie Sam Boal / RollingNews.ie / RollingNews.ie

TheJournal.ie also spoke to Eoin Daly, constitutional law lecturer at NUI Galway, who agreed that there is no confusion over whether approval is needed.

“Common sense would seem to dictate that the third subsection applies both to addresses given either to the nation or to the Houses of the Oireachtas. Therefore, addresses given to the Houses of the Oireachtas must be approved by the government,” he said.

It may waive its right, it may decline its right to scrutinise or censor what the president says, and there have been a lot of variation over the decades of how closely it does exercise that right, but it does have that right.

“There’s certainly no ambiguity on the central point, that an address to the Houses of the Oireachtas must have received the approval of the government. The government might decline to exercise that right but it must be referred to the government.”

00007398_7398 President Mary McAleese addresses the Oireachtas on the eve of the new millennium in December 1999. RollingNews.ie RollingNews.ie

Without a response from Ní Riada on her claim that governments haven’t always actually approved such speeches, it’s difficult to surmise exactly what she is referring to.

“I couldn’t specifically address that point about whether the government approved every one of those but I would be surprised if those speeches hadn’t been submitted to the government,” Daly says when asked this question.

Whether the government actually exercises the right to scrutinise it, is another question. But if the president were to address the Oireachtas without referring the content of their speech first to the government I think then that that wouldn’t be consistent with Article 13.7.

Verdicts: 1) The constitution clearly states that governments must approve speeches by the president to the Oireachtas.

2) There is no evidence disputing that governments have always done so.

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    Jul 26th 2023, 11:28 AM

    Obviously it depends on who’s playing.

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    Jul 26th 2023, 11:49 AM

    @Conway Whitty: Richie Kavanagh & his yellow JCB.

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    Jul 26th 2023, 12:12 PM

    @Conway Whitty: Coldplay would have to pay me to attend.

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    Jul 26th 2023, 12:54 PM

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    Jul 26th 2023, 3:10 PM

    @Conway Whitty: Precisely, the last time I went to see a “pop star” was at the O2 Arena, it was Prince, I will never forget it, before that, it was Showaddywaddy, it was in Dunstable before Dunstable turned into Mogadishu, the tickets were about £1,75.

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    Jul 26th 2023, 3:40 PM

    @Stanley Marsh: the missus just paid €620 for 2 tickets…I’m gonna have to give an Oscar worthy performance pretending I care & I’m delighted we’re goin…Ah well, need must.

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    Jul 26th 2023, 3:57 PM

    @damien leen: the likes of him, Morrison and that Big Tom eegit could be seen at one point as like an Irish triangle of conservatives. If i liked blues or country, no way I would pay to listen to their $hite
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    Jul 26th 2023, 11:36 AM

    Anything more than 150 for a good spot is taking the mick being honest..

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    Jul 26th 2023, 8:07 PM

    @Butters: I flat out refused Springsteen tickets cos they cost 130. FFS got offered a coldplay ticket and figured why not.
    IIRC Iron Maiden this year was about 100 a ticket? Saw them in around 08 09 or so and they cost 50.
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    Jul 26th 2023, 11:50 AM

    I have decided to stick to upcoming local gigs, the amount being asked is madness and is pure greed, they are treating punters as atms and bleeding the cash cow.. All the while it’s pet names for fan bases to guilt them into spending.. It’s manlipitive and wrong to have 12yrs crying how poor they are while next door goes, wrong wrong wrong.

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    Jul 26th 2023, 12:07 PM

    Crazy crazy prices right now. Had a look the other day and it was €170 for a regular standing ticket for Depeche Mode next year! These kind of prices are especially hard to take in the current climate and also when you started going to gigs many decades ago. My first major gig going decade was the 90s. It seems comical the prices we used to pay to see so many bands and acts in places like the SFX. I know things change, acts get bigger and costs have gone up but the prices are just so out of whack. If you live outside of Dublin, need a hotel then add in food and drink plus ticket you could be looking at 500 quid to see Depeche Mode. Just using them as an example. Same with so many others.

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    Jul 26th 2023, 2:53 PM

    @SerotoninWars: I nearly passed out at the price of those tickets. I am lucky enough to live close by the venue. But I draw the line at €170 to stand in the Point Depot.

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    @geraldine lawlor:

    I hear you. It’s not not often I’m shocked these days but I took a double, make that a treble take when I saw them. I thought I had accidentally hit on on a VIP package section or something along those lines. But no €170 for a no frills standing ticket. Absolutely bonkers.

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    Hoping for Coldplay tickets in Budapest. Currently will be about a 1/3 of the price of going to Dublin. That’s for accommodation, flights and tickets. Rome also a good option.

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    It’s not the cost of the ticket that annoys me, it’s the charges that are added to it that really get to me!

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    @Fiona Wyse: ticketmaster closed its physical outlets partly because these are more expensive online. greed. also, now theyre cashless by default

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    Taylor Swift was made in a CIA lab. That’s just a fact. The Eras Tour is clearly a brazen attempt to infiltrate and brainwash the Swifties. This new ‘Era’ is an NWO WEF Marxist backed usurping of the populace and deepening of the swamp. These innocent Swifties will then pass on the Eras code/virus to their family and friends when they return. It’s all so obvious.

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    Jul 26th 2023, 2:53 PM

    It’s time to boycott the next few artists and send a message to them and their promoter’s that we are fed up being ripped off.

    Support local musicians.

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    Jul 26th 2023, 1:59 PM

    Better off going to festival somewhere else in Europe.At Hellfest in France a few weeks back.350 euro for 4 nights of bands starting at 1030 each day.
    Water taps,toilets,bars,good food everywhere.It’s the way to go for the true music fan.

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    A friend of mine wanted to treat me to front row seats at an Iggy Pop gig in Spain.
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    He is long past his prime and has not had a really good album in years.

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    Jul 26th 2023, 11:41 AM

    Free.

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    Jul 26th 2023, 11:58 AM

    I’d pay up to 200 to see Faith No More and cross em off the list.

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    Jul 26th 2023, 2:04 PM

    I saw Roger Waters a few years back in Three Arena and ticket was €99 or something. Well worth it.

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    Jul 26th 2023, 3:52 PM

    @Big Tuna: still a bit steep. id pay 75.

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    Jul 26th 2023, 12:54 PM

    €99 max

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    Jul 26th 2023, 12:02 PM

    Who’s playing?

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    Jul 26th 2023, 3:01 PM

    The gov keep introducing new regulations that keep driving up the cost of doing business in Ireland. This is an example of the many things we get as a result..

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    Jul 26th 2023, 3:52 PM

    €0.01 and that is too much.

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    Jul 26th 2023, 9:31 PM

    Most I’ve paid was €120. It was about 14 years ago so that was astronomical at the time. But it was Tina Turner in the 3 Arena and worth every single cent as she didnt tour again after that and Im so glad i got to see her.

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    Jul 26th 2023, 3:52 PM

    While it completely depends on whos playing, i just recently paid half the price of what the minimum price of these Taylor swift tickets were to go and see New Order. (a mate of mine did APPLY to see Swift but he got absolutely nowhere) anyway it isnt so much about that theres a big showcase to shows like the Swift ones, its greed and elitism driving those prices. How on earth did Kendrick lamar sell out when standing tickets in the 3arena were a hundred euro? Is he really that big in Ireland of Aslan and Damo Dempsey?

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    Jul 26th 2023, 1:38 PM

    If someone else is paying I don’t care lol

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    Jul 27th 2023, 11:59 AM

    The only time I paid in the 100-150 category was for Kate Bush. I don’t think there’s anyone else I would pay that for

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