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As it happened: Higgins and Gallagher criticised for 'no shows' at first TV debate

Claire Byrne hosted the first televised debate of the presidential campaign tonight.

LAST UPDATE | 15 Oct 2018

ELEVEN DAYS OUT from polling day, four of the six presidential candidates took part in the first TV debate of the campaign on Claire Byrne Live. 

Peter Casey, Gavin Duffy, Senator Joan Freeman and MEP Liadh Ní Riada took part.

Sean Gallagher and President Michael D Higgins, who declined invitations, came in for criticism from the rest of the field. 

Here’s how the night played out. 

Okay, so we’re almost ready to go. 

The hour-long debate goes to air at 9.35pm. 

Four candidates, Peter Casey, Gavin Duffy, Joan Freeman and Liadh Ní Riada, are taking part – but all six were invited.

RTÉ has said the invitation remains open for each of the candidates to join their fellow hopefuls in studio right up to broadcast time. 

This evening, President Michael D Higgins has reiterated, however, that he won’t be taking part. 

Sean Gallagher has said he won’t take part in debates where any other candidate refuses to take part. 

Gallagher made his policy known shortly after securing his nomination last month. 

There’s been a row brewing between the two candidates today in the wake of a letter Gallagher sent to Higgins criticising the incumbent’s decision not to appear tonight. 

More on that here… 

While we’re on the subject, here’s what Gavin Duffy had to say last month about the prospect of debates taking place without Michael D Higgins.

“It’s not a debate without the incumbent. It is people showing up to sort of explain themselves and the broadcaster or the media outlet trying to explain why the incumbent is not honouring them with their presence. 

I’m happy to comment on it – but I just don’t see it as a runner, you could not have a debate without the incumbent, particularly when as we’ve seen from the media yourselves you have so many questions that you want to address.
Duffy was answering questions from TheJournal.ie at the National Ploughing Championships. 

There are two more televised presidential debates scheduled to take place before polling day on Friday week.

All six candidates are expected to take part in a Virgin Media One debate hosted by Pat Kenny on Wednesday and in a Prime Time debate on Tuesday of next week.

RTÉ posted a run-down on how the debate will work earlier today.

There’ll be a live audience, and candidates can expect a few questions from them in addition to Claire… 

The Claire Byrne Live Presidential Debate will have a studio audience of approximately 200 people present on the night.

RTÉ partnered with Amarach Research for the audience selection process. 

Members of the studio audience will be asked to submit potential questions to Amarach Research and a panel including external experts will select the questions to be asked on the night.

It will be a live current affairs debate so there is no set number of questions or topics.

Interesting point here, in RTÉ’s run down of the debate format…

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Okay we’re up and running here. 

First of all, Claire gives the candidates a chance to say a thing or two about Michael D Higgins and Sean Gallagher not showing up. 

They all take the opportunity to put the boot in to a greater or lesser degree. 

First laugh of the night goes to Peter Casey, who says it’s a shame the Fianna Fáil candidate hasn’t turned up. 

“He’s not the Fianna Fáil candidate,” Claire Byrne says of Sean Gallagher. 

“Yeah, well,” Casey responds.

The candidates are taking an opportunity to run through a minute-long version of their stump speeches as the debate proper begins. 

Liadh Ní Riada says Michael D Higgins has been remiss in not addressing the Oireachtas. 

Joan Freeman talks up her involvement in Pieta House. 

Gavin Duffy promises better value for money from the presidency – and to bring energy to the role. 

Bit of a flare up of drama here … Claire Byrne reads a message from a spokesperson for President Higgins, taking issue with a claim Peter Casey made about Higgins’ expenses at the start of the programme. 

Casey had claimed Higgins was unable to defend claims about his dog-grooming expenses, during Saturday’s Radio 1 debate. 

The presenter said the spokesperson had sent a message to say Casey was inaccurate. 

Duffy took the opportunity to lay into Byrne: “It’s not your job to be a spokesperson for the President.”

Casey chimed in, saying Higgins should have shown up. 

It does raise a question though… Will Michael D Higgins (or his team) be sending in messages every time they hear something they don’t agree with? 

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Peter Casey says he would increase representation of women on his Council of State. 

He says he would appoint seven women to the advisory panel.

Asked by Claire Byrne to name specific women, he suggests (after a pause) Joan Freeman. 

Pressed again by the host, he suggests she might like to join the Council of State herself. 

Much laughter from the audience. 

All the candidates are being asked now who they would appoint.

If you need some more info on the Council of State, you might like to have a read of this piece from our archives

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A questioner from the audience asks if there are any world leaders any candidate, as president, would refuse to meet. 

Peter Casey says it’s not up to the president, and that the office-holder has to meet whoever the government invites. 

Casey describes President Trump “a national disgrace” in an answer to follow-up questions. 

Ní Riada manages to squeeze in a lengthy list of issues she has with Trump, but says she would also be willing to meet any leader. 

Freeman says we can’t destroy our relationship with the US by refusing to meet Trump.

Gavin Duffy says we need to be prepared to have “difficult conversations” with other world leaders – but agrees that he too would meet Donald Trump or a similarly unpopular leader. 

Interesting question here – the candidate are asked if they would wear a poppy on Armistice Day, which will coincide with the inauguration of the new president. 

Peter Casey says he would. 

Liadh Ní Riada also says she would – adding that it would offer a hand of friendship to unionists. 

Joan Freeman says would wear the poppy. 

Gavin Duffy says he would not, that he would not wear any symbol – but that he would lay a wreath on Armistice Day. 

The first round of applause of the evening greeted Liadh Ní Riada’s statement that she would wear a poppy on Armistice Day. 

The Sinn Féin candidate acknowledged in her answer that there would be some in her party who might not be enamoured with that gesture. 

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Someone shouting from the audience – but it’s difficult to make out what the woman is saying. 

Casey says the woman should not have been let in the studio and that he wants to address what she is saying. 

Byrne cuts Casey off, and goes to a commercial break. 

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Best zinger of the night goes to Joan Freeman. 

The presenter, during a wider discussion about how invasive presidential campaigns can be, says that Michael D Higgins maintains he no longer has any privacy. 

Freeman: 

“Well I think he does because he’s not here tonight.” 

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It’s closing statement time. 

Gavin Duffy takes another opportunity to take a pop at Michael D Higgins and Sean Gallagher for not showing up. 

“Please turn up and ask the people of Ireland for their vote. We are.”

Well that’s it for the first TV debate. 

The only real surprise of the night (heckler aside) was Liadh Ní Riada’s statement that she would be prepared to wear a poppy

Otherwise, the candidates played to type with Joan Freeman talking up her experience at mental health charity Pieta House, Peter Casey taking another opportunity to bring up his ‘Birth Right’ programme for children of emigrants and Gavin Duffy insisting the country needs a president with energy. 

The fact that it all played out without the presence of two of the candidates – including the incumbent – meant there was a bit of a sense of anti-climax about the whole thing. 

We go again (as they say) on Wednesday in the Virgin Media One studios, where Pat Kenny will host the first TV debate to feature all six candidates. 

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    Mute Justin Barrett
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    Dec 14th 2017, 11:34 AM

    One of the greatest opportunistic strokes of the last decade by Alan Kelly. Hopping on the McCabe bandwagon in the final weeks when it looked cut and dried, 2 years after Clare Daly & others raised the issue, when he himself was in government and did nothing. A slew of photo opportunities and TV appearances followed for the Knight in Shining Armour, the biggest ego in Irish politics.

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    Dec 14th 2017, 11:39 AM

    @Justin Barrett: at least he challenges politicians and has fought a lot of battles on this. I admire him

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    Dec 14th 2017, 11:48 AM

    @Chris Finn: Is that you Alan?

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    Dec 14th 2017, 11:49 AM

    @Chris Finn: The only one who admires Alan Kelly is Alan Kelly. Hi Alan?

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    Dec 14th 2017, 12:37 PM

    @Chris Finn: seek help

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    Dec 14th 2017, 1:02 PM

    @Chris Finn: “power is a drug” Kelly? Narcissistic megalomaniac

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    Dec 14th 2017, 1:28 PM

    @Chris Finn: If you admire him I’d say you need to go somewhere and have a good chat with yourself.

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    Dec 14th 2017, 1:32 PM

    @Misanthrope: it is incredulous that somebody that loves himself so much and everything is all about him that people wasted their vote on him thinking that he would represent them instead of just himself. Fools.

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    Dec 14th 2017, 5:19 PM

    @Chris Finn: he had no problem imposing an unjust property tax on us she minister!

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    Dec 14th 2017, 5:19 PM

    @Liam O Connor: when he was minister!

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    Dec 14th 2017, 5:20 PM

    @David Dickson:
    You are a good judge DD. Spot on.
    I know the man.

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    Dec 15th 2017, 7:58 AM

    @Chris Finn: we have a groupie on our hands lol

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    Dec 14th 2017, 11:35 AM

    This guy just loves publicity!

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    Dec 14th 2017, 11:40 AM

    @iohanx: would you prefer this guy wasn’t challenging politicians and keeping them honest

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    Dec 14th 2017, 11:51 AM

    @Chris Finn: I’d prefer a different guy.

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    Dec 14th 2017, 1:36 PM

    @Arnold Alley: I know, I still have three shirts and a blouse to do.

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    Dec 14th 2017, 2:18 PM

    @Chris Finn: Wow, honesty and Alan Kelly in the same sentence. That’s a first.

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    Dec 14th 2017, 11:35 AM

    Imagine the boredom of the poor fecker that has to endure Alan Kelly’s conversations.

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    Dec 14th 2017, 11:52 AM

    The labour party dont like being insignificant in politics . they’re jumping on any bandwagon for publicity.how can journalists get it so wrong,he did nothing for whistleblowers when in government, the labour party backed the commissioner 100% so they could remain in power.

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    Dec 14th 2017, 12:02 PM

    This guy will stop at nothing to keep his name in the spotlight. The only thing this man should be remembered for is the absolute shambles that was Irish Water and water charges.

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    Dec 14th 2017, 12:46 PM

    @Tommy Roche: he doesn’t bother even pretending he gives a sh¡+€ about homeless or poverty because there’s no decent photo opportunities or media spotlight in it but conspiracy &phone tapping is sure to get him on the front pages.. he’s a cu..

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    Dec 14th 2017, 1:41 PM

    @Tommy Roche: remember he said it would be his “legacy”? Well that is it, that is all I canremember him doing, how did that go for him?

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    Dec 14th 2017, 5:58 PM

    Funny how he’s criticising the legislation. Who makes our laws? Did he spend his entire time as a Minister on the phone doing deals?

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    Dec 14th 2017, 11:33 PM

    @Tommy Roche: Very true. And more besides. what is he so afraid of and who is giving him information?

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    Dec 14th 2017, 11:39 AM

    Arrogant bàstard. I’d love to see voted out.

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    Dec 14th 2017, 11:28 AM

    O God, this buffoon will doing anything to raise his profile.

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    Dec 14th 2017, 11:38 AM

    @Joseph Dempsey: eh he exposes politicians and keeps them honest. You have just won dumbest comment of the year

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    Dec 14th 2017, 11:55 AM

    @Chris Finn: I’m with Joseph on this one

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    Dec 14th 2017, 11:56 AM

    @Chris Finn: Agree. I was never a fan of his but he is doing good work on the PAC committee.

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    Dec 14th 2017, 12:46 PM

    @Chris Finn: would this be the other politicians who have been raising the very issues this clown to take notice of only recently, I recall he also had plenty of opportunities to raise issues when he was in government, a little late in the day for crocodile tears I’m afraid. Kelly is an opportunist , nothing more, nothing less apart from also being an irrational loud mouth

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    Dec 14th 2017, 3:24 PM

    @Chris Finn: you have to see that he is a bandwagon jumper

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    Dec 14th 2017, 11:39 AM

    Does it not cross his mind that if the gardai have tapped his phone it indicates that they think he’s involved in criminal activity, and that this would reflect poorly upon him?

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    Dec 14th 2017, 1:20 PM

    @Lurfic: Ridiculous comment. Obviously he has good reasons to believe that he is being monitored for political reasons. He clearly said that this is something to be aware of from people who advise him on the matters.

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    Dec 14th 2017, 11:34 PM

    @Lurfic: so true

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    Dec 14th 2017, 12:00 PM

    I find Kelly to be insufferably obnoxious. However, I get the impression he has a sniff of something here. His public perception is almost as important to him as his self perception. As one poster above said, he jumped on the McCabe bandwagon in the last two weeks of the shitshow that ended Fitzgerald as minister, once all the long hard work had been done. I get the same feeling here. Seems like he’s jumping out in front of something so he can be first to say he brought it up.

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    Dec 14th 2017, 12:14 PM

    Who in their right mind would want to know what Labour are doing .

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    Dec 14th 2017, 11:53 AM

    I have no time for his politics .. however Kelly’s work on the PAC has been great … his questioning was critical in the exposure of the dept of justice and Garda collusion to smear McCabe … he has been very bullish in not taking vague answers from the HSE in relation to the whistleblower and grace case.

    But unfortunately due to his Irish water calamities he will not get the credit he deserves on these matters

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    Dec 14th 2017, 12:45 PM

    @Gggordon: I agree with this. I think he’s been excellent in opposition. I’d never want him anywhere near government again though.

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    Dec 14th 2017, 1:42 PM

    @Conor: You sum up Kelly and liebour perfectly Conor, great in opposition, liars and turncoats in power.

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    Dec 14th 2017, 11:28 AM

    What does he think the Gardai are after….The mole who leaked government documents to him….Is that not their job under official secrets act hunting moles….

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    Dec 14th 2017, 11:56 AM

    There may have been a leak, Alan.

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    Dec 14th 2017, 12:06 PM

    He’ll do anything to get his name up in lights….this is not show business Alan.

    The Justice department have better things to do – stop wasting their time – and stop costing us money, in other words…get lost!

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    Dec 14th 2017, 12:34 PM

    Between tapping and leaking I think he should call a plumber

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    Dec 14th 2017, 12:34 PM

    Next weeks headline…..

    “Alan Kelly seen out on a date with Amanda Brunker”

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    Dec 14th 2017, 12:44 PM

    @Larry Fitzwell: Following weeks headline….

    “Amanda Brunker reveals why she is emigrating”

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    Dec 14th 2017, 1:05 PM

    @Tommy Roche: Week after interview with Hello magazine……

    “Amanda Brunker on how the Maurice McCabe scandal has affected her, and how she was once a whistle blower too”

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    Dec 14th 2017, 11:53 AM

    What do he r any of the other Labour mouth pieces Di when in Government Nothing. They should have been wired out at last election

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    Dec 14th 2017, 12:11 PM

    I don`t doubt the capacity of AGS for dirty tricks, that has been well proven over the years. But AK is just an insufferable attention seeker.

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    Dec 14th 2017, 12:29 PM

    Regina doherty wil be kicking herself she didnt think of this! Makes a change from the old death threat yarn!

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    Dec 14th 2017, 12:20 PM

    I once walked past Alan Kelly while he was talking a phone call in the street. Should I be expecting a visit from the guards?

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    Dec 14th 2017, 2:05 PM

    Have we an honest politician in this country at all, anyone? Anyone?

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    Dec 14th 2017, 4:27 PM

    @Horace: William Wallace, Wexford Braveheart. Connoisseur of everything Italian,…. or maybe not, forgot to pay his taxes.

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    Dec 14th 2017, 12:33 PM

    What a clown

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    Dec 14th 2017, 3:45 PM

    The only tapping he is concerned with is water taps!!!

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    Dec 14th 2017, 12:31 PM

    Of course Alan Kelly’s phone calls are being monitored. I’m not sure, though, why he is making such a fuss over it. It’s just reality.

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    Dec 14th 2017, 1:29 PM

    Bomb Squad called in, death threats, phone tapped. Who would be a TD? Having to continually invent b/s like this. Hard work!

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    Dec 14th 2017, 1:07 PM

    If he has been tipped off by a Garda mole and it turns out his phone was tapped this would trigger an election.

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    Dec 14th 2017, 12:16 PM

    The opposition parties in the Dail are making the Government look good at this stage. Bunch of attention seeking clowns.

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    Dec 14th 2017, 2:08 PM

    I hope it’s not a frivolous accusation ,if their is any truth in this allegation then it doesn’t bode well for the high ethos and rigorous accountability the organs of the State now uphold.

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    Dec 14th 2017, 1:35 PM

    Who uses landlines anymore?

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    Dec 14th 2017, 5:07 PM

    He is slowly becoming the biggest pain in the arse in the country.

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    Dec 14th 2017, 2:34 PM

    It has..by his Ego

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    Dec 14th 2017, 2:29 PM

    This Guy and his Colleagues should be Shot for Treason

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    Dec 14th 2017, 4:51 PM

    This poor man could get counselling and I’m sure some medication for his unfortunate condition..

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    Dec 14th 2017, 7:57 PM

    Has to be the biggest Dick head in Irish politics

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