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Members of Magdalene Laundries welcomed to the Mansion House in June of this year. PA Wire/PA Images

'Nobody will be left short': Magdalene Laundry redress to be extended to survivors blocked from compensation

Lump sum and pension payments will be made to the women affected.

MAGDALENE LAUNDRY SURVIVORS blocked from receiving compensation because they were officially placed in “adjoining” facilities will be given pay-outs under new legislation which received government approval today.

Justice Minister Charlie Flanagan sought Cabinet approval for the priority drafting of a short technical Bill to make changes to the Magdalene Redress Scheme.

The Bill, which should not take long to draft, will ensure women who were originally blocked from receiving payments under the scheme will now be eligible.

Such payments were recommended by Mr Justice John Quirke in his report last year.

The minister said the legislation, which will have to go to the Justice Committee for pre-legislative scrutiny, should be fast-tracked due to the age, and in some cases frailty, of the women.

The changes to the Redress for Women Resident in Certain Institutions Act 2015 will ensure that certain women who were not able to get compensation will now receive payments. 

The original scheme applied to women who were admitted to and worked in Magdalene Institutions. This resulted in a number of women not being eligible to receive payments under the redress scheme.

Following a report on the scheme by the Ombudsman, a decision was taken to apply the scheme to women who worked in the Magdalene Institutions but also to the women who resided in certain adjoining institutions.

Sinn Féin’s Mary Lou McDonald said while she welcomed the decision today, she was critical of the department’s “push back” against the report’s recommendations that the redress scheme be extended.

“At the Joint Committee on Justice and Equality earlier this year, Mr Peter Tyndall told members that, in his ten years as ombudsman, he had never reached a point where a Department had, prior to publication of a report, absolutely and categorically refused to engage in the process of accepting and implementing the recommendations made.

“While I welcome the belated decision to accept in full the recommendations made by the ombudsman, I am utterly disappointed at the amount of time it has taken to do so and, more to the point, so are the women involved,” she said.

The Taoiseach said today that he was struck by the Ombudsman’s evidence to the committee.

“He is a mild-mannered man, not given to condemnation, and when he criticises in a Government Department in the way he does, while many people criticise them daily, one wants to listen his criticisms because he is very measured and a very competent public servant. On foot of that appearance at the joint committee, I asked to meet him, with the Minister for Justice and Equality. We considered his report and have accepted it in full.

“That report recommended that we extend the Magdalene scheme to women who were not resident in Magdalene laundries but lived nearby, often in adjoining institutions, and were required to work, unpaid, in those laundries,” he said, adding:

We are currently paying compensation to those women. That is based on being paid for work that they were not paid for in the past. That is why there is a question about how many hours or days they worked. It is only there to make sure that we can maximise the amount of money paid to women who are making an application.
It is not there to try to restrict it in any way. We fully appreciate that, given the passage of time, it could be very difficult for anyone to remember how many hours they worked 30 or 40 years ago in some cases. That is not there to catch people out but to work out how many hours and days people worked in laundries for so we can calculate how much they are being compensated. I guarantee that nobody will be left short. We are trying to give people the payment they deserve.

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    Mute Johnny 5
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    Apr 8th 2020, 12:23 PM

    If you’re against these temporary measures then you obviously have no problem with the small percentage of eejits that think this doesn’t apply to them and won’t be complaining when our ICUs can’t cope with the influx of seriously ill people.

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    Apr 8th 2020, 12:37 PM

    @Johnny 5:

    Not against the law, but I’m glad to have people like the ICCL keeping the government in check. Debate and questioning is always necessary with big issues like this. I reckon they’re largely just playing devils advocate on this.

    Important to question the government and watch this carefully to make sure it’s only temporary and not extended indefinitely when it runs out.

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    Apr 8th 2020, 12:47 PM

    They are placing civil liberties before protecting life.. complete BS ..

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    Mute Mark Kelly
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    Apr 8th 2020, 12:50 PM

    @Johnny 5: If only I could be naive enough to believe these are temporary. The current strategy is going to lead to lockdown/opening/lockdown/opening cycle. HSE has already talked about surge 1, surge 2, surge 3. Prof Luke O’Neill has talked about multiple lockdowns. One case in a population with no immunity will, every time, lead to exponential growth.

    It’s a bit harder to accept these draconian measures and the destruction of the economy when you read the science and realise they are not temporary.

    There are scientists calling for much more honesty on current models and measures: https://medium.com/@wpegden/a-call-to-honesty-in-pandemic-modeling-5c156686a64b

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    Apr 8th 2020, 12:53 PM

    @Johnny 5: it may well have to be extended……but only until the end of the viral epidemic here. The only mistake made was that it wasn’t introduced 2/3 weeks ago…….and for all those civil liberty folk you can all take deep breath we are not going to wake up in China in the morning. It will all be ok. Your weekends away will not be curtailed indefinitely.

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    Apr 8th 2020, 12:57 PM

    @SFAnkleTapper:

    They’re arguing for the other side when nobody else is willing to. That’s the basis of our legal system, and it’s an important part of a healthy democracy too.

    It’s not like they’re telling people to go out and ignore restrictions, or keeping a business open, they’re just writing some letters and bringing up decent arguments against the law. We’re free citizens to say “no, this law is good” and tell our TDs to support it.

    I am personally in agreement with the law, but I’m hoping that citizens watch this carefully and make sure our government doesn’t take any permanent powers that can’t be rolled back easily.

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    Apr 8th 2020, 1:04 PM

    @Johnny 5:

    Where were all these special measures when thousands of people urinate defecate outside peoples doors and in peoples gardens after the All Ireland Football Final ?

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    Apr 8th 2020, 1:05 PM

    @: arguing the other side??……decent arguments against the Law?…..Such as what…..

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    Apr 8th 2020, 1:13 PM

    @KEN L: that killing ppl yeah??

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    Apr 8th 2020, 1:31 PM

    @KEN L: That’s tradition Ken.

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    Apr 8th 2020, 1:46 PM

    @Will:

    tradition to leave urine and excrement outside peoples doors ?

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    Apr 8th 2020, 2:17 PM

    @KEN L: Think that might be a slight exaggeration there Ken. One a two have a leak, sure, but I’ve attended 10 all Ireland football finals and have never seen anyone taking a dump in someone’s garden.

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    Apr 8th 2020, 5:33 PM

    @Mark Kelly: when I said the other day that the gov is not clear on anything and that we don’t know what and when to expect, I was told that we know everything and that I was grumpy. Rules are here, timelines are not. They will extend it every 2 weeks, although they must have some idea of progression of virus and economy. But every 2 weeks sounds better to people, just 2 more weeks and then we will see. 2 more weeks ppl, we can make it! :D

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    Mute Mike Ryan
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    Apr 8th 2020, 12:29 PM

    Liam Herrick telling the TheJournal.ie that these new laws give gardaí “powers over areas of our lives that have never been regulated by police here before”.

    We have also never dealt with a pandemic like this in our lifetime before. If you are abiding by the common sense recommendations regarding social distancing and limited movement, this will have no effect on you whatsoever.

    This is in place because of the small percentage of people that have no common sense or decency that could worsen our situation.

    As a country, we are playing a blinder. We are on track to get through this in a much better fashion than anybody expected. if these measures help with that, then I’m all for them.

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    Apr 8th 2020, 12:33 PM

    @Mike Ryan: I would also have no problem with the French way of naming and shaming the people stopped by Gardai for non essential travel from today.

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    Apr 8th 2020, 12:36 PM

    @Ricky: Absolutely agree.

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    Apr 8th 2020, 12:38 PM

    @Ricky: they should be done for endangerment, because that’s exactly what they’re doing, ok if they have no regard for their own lives or the lives of their loved ones but they are endangering the lives of others perhaps more vulnerable people….

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    Apr 8th 2020, 1:08 PM

    @Mike Ryan:

    Last night there was a super moon so simon harris gave the guards “super” powers

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    Apr 8th 2020, 5:44 PM

    @Mike Ryan: While I agree generally with your sentiment Mike in think the possible sanction of a 6 month jail sentence is totally ridiculous at a time when we’ve had to release 250 prisoners back into society…Like really…What master brain thought that to be a deterrent ..quite obviously when Tony Holohan isn’t calling the shots the level of aptitude drops drastically.

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    Apr 8th 2020, 12:28 PM

    Of course these do gooders are out again with their concerns. The vast majority of people are complying but it’s the usual underclass element of society that will not in any way contribute to doing their bit for the country at this time. Need sanctions for these folk and actually follow through with them.

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    Apr 8th 2020, 12:36 PM

    @Longlin: underclass idiots going to their second homes while the plebs die trying to keep them alive

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    Apr 8th 2020, 12:38 PM

    @Longlin:

    “these do gooders are out again with their concerns”

    Yeah… that’s part of living in a free and open society. Healthy democracy means we question our leaders. If we let things like this pass with zero debate it sets a bad precedent. We don’t want to end up like China where criticising the government automatically makes you the bad guy.

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    Apr 8th 2020, 12:48 PM

    @David Dineen: I don’t discriminate about anyone who thinks they’re above the law and what’s good for society. The ones I’ve seen congregating in groups in parks and not moving out of the way of people, are in the main the bottom feeders in our society but I’d have equal disdain for someone hopping in their Range Rover and heading off to their second home.

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    Apr 8th 2020, 1:06 PM

    @Jason Ebbs:

    Last night she called Simon Harris a satanist

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    Apr 8th 2020, 12:32 PM

    The Council have got this totally wrong and damaged their credibility. And failing to gauge the mood of the nation in this crisis.
    Rules cant be strong enough for me as people are dying daily.
    Full support for Gardai and eternal gratitude for protecting us in the frontline.

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    Apr 8th 2020, 12:41 PM

    @David Glynn:

    They’re arguing for the case of civil liberties, and that’s their purpose in society. If they don’t play devils advocate from time to time, then who will?

    Our legal system is based on the idea that everyone has somebody to defend their case. Lawyers defend their clients even when they know they’re guilty as sin and deserve far worse. Similarly, groups like ICCL argue the case for civil liberty even when it’s unpopular.

    Debate and questioning is a feature of a healthy democracy, I agree with these laws, but I wouldn’t want a big measure like this to be taken with no debate, criticism, or concerns voiced.

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    Apr 8th 2020, 12:48 PM

    Thanks for the lecture. I am fully cognisant as to their role.
    They could have said that they understood the need but would be vigilant to ensure that rights would be protected in the aftermath of the pandemic.
    They didn’t. They got it wrong.
    I stand by my comment 100 percent.

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    Apr 8th 2020, 12:59 PM

    @David Glynn:

    I don’t think you understand the concept of “devils advocate”, otherwise you wouldn’t be bashing them for taking the role.

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    Apr 8th 2020, 1:46 PM

    @: I will be keeping a watchful eye pal…. ;)

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    Apr 8th 2020, 2:53 PM

    Who are they to decide what’s needed. We dont need a devil’s advocate on decisions driven by medical and scientific expertise.They are out of their depth here.
    But we’ll agree to disagree.

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    Apr 8th 2020, 3:05 PM

    @David Glynn: Absolutely…. Its about stopping the spread or the virus and saving lives…… I’m sure the civil liberty groups can give it a rest for one day….. There are more important issues than playing “Devils Avocate” with the Nations health and safety.

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    Apr 8th 2020, 12:26 PM

    Personally, I don’t give a toss about these being ‘extreme measures’…. Extend them. I’m going nowhere so it doesn’t affect me. Neither should any of you if you aren’t an essential worker. The people going out on little breaks this weekend, why? Where is there to go, what is there to do? The same kind of people that will get symptoms and not self-isolate either. Covid-19 isn’t the only plague on society.

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    Apr 8th 2020, 1:11 PM

    @Ricky:

    will someone please tell me exactly where they could be going ?

    the pubs are closed
    the cinemas are closed
    the chippers are closed
    Easons are closed

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    Apr 8th 2020, 1:21 PM

    @KEN L: nature is open

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    Apr 8th 2020, 1:23 PM

    @KEN L: It’s a BIG F-you to us,the law and law abiding society. Nobody will tell them what to do, where to go and Covid-19 won’t affect them anyway. Happy days.

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    Apr 8th 2020, 1:48 PM

    @Ricky:

    - buy groceries
    - go to work
    - got to hospital

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    Apr 8th 2020, 12:35 PM

    Is it possible that joggers could actually leave the footpaths to people walking and observing social distancing? Coughing and sweating isn’t a good look these days.

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    Apr 8th 2020, 12:24 PM

    Living on the Southside of Dublin can only comment on what I’m seeing but I think for the most part people have abided by restrictions

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    Apr 8th 2020, 12:26 PM

    @Donnacha Bhoicaire: there’s the issue ‘for the most part’…these laws are for the rest … If your indoors and or obeying the rules then no Garda will be bothering you.

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    Apr 8th 2020, 12:32 PM

    @Donnacha Bhoicaire: Living on the northside of Dublin, people are also abiding by the restrictions. Few eejits everywhere I’m afraid.

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    Apr 8th 2020, 1:00 PM

    @Donnacha Bhoicaire: yeah that’s why South Dub CoCo reported people taking ‘Closed’ signs off a playground yesterday and letting their kids play.

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    Apr 8th 2020, 7:40 PM

    @Donnacha Bhoicaire: Everyone except joggers.

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    Apr 8th 2020, 12:31 PM

    How can a health minister sign a measure into law giving powers to Gardai? Surely that’s the job of justice minister.

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    Apr 8th 2020, 12:33 PM

    @MollyMsalone: because the law says he can ..a law passed by the Oireachtas.

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    Apr 8th 2020, 12:40 PM

    If the public is so good at complying with the instructions, then these powers will never be used, and so surely it is irrelevant whether they are introduced or not.

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    Apr 8th 2020, 7:42 PM

    @Deirdre O’Byrne: because there will always be a cohort of selfish idiots who don’t give a toss about the people around them. These people require force to follow the law

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    Apr 8th 2020, 12:56 PM

    With all of Leo and Simon’s spin unit clogging up the message boards back slapping and up-thumbing all around, virtually accusing those who disagree with them as condemning vast swathes of the population to death, here is someone with a different perspective.
    Can’t say that I agree completely, but he makes a good argument.

    https://gript.ie/lets-face-it-these-new-garda-powers-are-absurd/

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    Apr 8th 2020, 1:53 PM

    Wouldn’t we be nice now if Sinn Féin were in power??

    We all know what their “comrades” did to our Gardai

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    Apr 8th 2020, 12:58 PM

    PERSONALLY I’M DELIGHTED THESE NEW POWERS HAVE BEEN ENACTED AND I SINCERELY HOPE THEY ARE ENFORCED.
    THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE ARE VERY RESPONSIBLE AND LAW ABIDING AND WILL HAVE NO PROBLEM ADHERING TO THESE NEW LAWS. THE ONLY PEOPLE THESE NEW LAWS WILL EFFECT ARE THE MORONS THE KEEP GOING OUT WHEN THEY HAVE NO LEGITIMATE REASON TO BE OUT. THE DO GOODERS AS USUAL ARE UPSET AND ON THEIR HIGH HORSE GIVING OUT ABOUT ANYTHING THAT EFFECTS THOSE WHO FLOUT THE LAWS OF THE LAND. THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WILL HAVE NO ISSUE WHAT SO EVER WITH THESE NEW LAWS BEING ENFORCED BECAUSE WE ARE ALREADY ABIDING BY THE RESTRICTIONS PLACED ON US, WE KNOW AND UNDERSTAND THAT THESE RESTRICTIONS ARE FOR OUR OWN GOOD, AND FOR THE GOOD OF OUR COUNTRY.

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    Apr 8th 2020, 1:17 PM

    @James Lane:

    PERSONALLY I’M DELIGHTED YOU TYPE IN BLOCK CAPITALS AND I SINCERELY HOPE YOU KEEP DOING IT. THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE ARE VERY SLEEPY AND WILL A PROBLEM NOTICING COMMENTS HERE UNLESS YOU TYPE IN BLOCK CAPITALS.

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    Apr 8th 2020, 1:18 PM

    @James Lane:

    HAVE *

    WILL HAVE A PROBLEM

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    Apr 8th 2020, 12:33 PM

    One, it will at least protect the guards from those horrid “Irish patriots” from their sovcit nonsense. On the other hand, there needs to be a sunset clause as there is potential to use these as section 40 have been misused in the past. While (almost) everyone is onside now, we don’t have a particularly good history of holding misuse of power to account.

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    Apr 8th 2020, 12:38 PM

    @Brynþór Patrekursson: There is a sunset clause – it expires in a few days

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    Apr 8th 2020, 12:39 PM

    Does the Teapot not have to sign it before it can become law……

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    Apr 8th 2020, 3:22 PM

    These check points and stops on the streets pose the biggest treat to people catching/spreading this virus as guards seem to still lean into windows touching vehicles and are very close to people when stopping them on the street while they are making essential trips in most cases….my closest contact to anyone so far was with a garda yesterday when she stopped me returning home from a supermarket….they really need to give these guards training to protect themselves and people they are speaking to about this.

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    Apr 8th 2020, 8:16 PM

    The wealthy brought the virus in from their winter holidays and now they’re spreading by travelled to their big fancy holiday homes.

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    Apr 8th 2020, 12:23 PM

    It only takes one idiot to infect many…ICLU are fools…this is about protecting LIFE

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    Apr 8th 2020, 6:24 PM

    Charlie “RIC” Flanagan
    I wouldn’t trust a word out of that mans mouth. We haven’t forgotten Charle.
    No matter how long this pandemic lasts. We will never forget.

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    Apr 8th 2020, 7:34 PM

    The new measures last for just a few days. Such half arsed pussy footing about. These measures need to be enforced until the pandemic has cleared.

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    Apr 8th 2020, 8:13 PM

    There are very selfish people out there that need to a toe in the hole

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    Apr 8th 2020, 6:00 PM

    They’re behind you!! Lots of folk in the distance behind these three protectors of the law. Did they turn around or are all of those folk out with good reason!

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