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Fianna Fail's Eamon O'Cuiv says radical change is needed. PA Archive/PA Images

Ó Cuív: 'FF seems to be saying that even if we are in government, things wouldn’t change'

The Galway West TD said he was surprised to hear Micheál Martin had signed up to another 12 months of the confidence and supply deal.

NOT ONE TO shy away from criticising his own party, Galway TD Eamon Ó Cuív has said he was “very surprised” when he heard Fianna Fáil had renewed the confidence and supply deal with Fine Gael for another 12 months. 

In an interview with TheJournal.ie, Ó Cuív said:

“I was very surprised, I think everyone was, because our understanding was they were in a review of the last confidence and supply. I think it would be fair to say, even though it wasn’t discussed at the parliamentary party, the vast majority of TDs accept it.”

Ó Cuív’s comments follow harsh criticism from other Fianna Fail TDs who have questioned why – in the midst of health and housing crises – Micheál Martin would allow Fine Gael to keep running the show.

By signing up to another 12 months, Ó Cuív said his own party seem to be suggesting they could not do a better job of running the country. 

Do a better job

“My fundamental point, and I think this would be accepted and absolutely standard in politics, is that the reason you don’t belong, in this case, to the government party, is because you believe your party in government would do a lot better.

“Now we seem to be saying that even if we are in government, things wouldn’t change, and I would hate to think that that would be true. We need radical change,” he said. 

Martin said Brexit left him with no choice but to renew the deal, while also getting little in return for doing so, but Ó Cuív argues that an election at this time would not be destabilising – pointing out that the UK held its own election in the middle of all the Brexit drama. 

“I think it [renewal of confidence and supply] is a matter that needs deep reflection over the next four or five months to see what happened, but the reality is elections should not be destabilising, they are part of democracy,” he said.

Despite what the polls might say, Ó Cuív believes Fianna Fáil has a shot at being the largest party after the next general election. 

“The likelihood after the next election, if the present government did not get reelected, would be a Fianna Fáil-led government, that should not destabilise anything,” he said, adding that there is no reason to think that it would take two or three months to form a government again (last time around it took 70 days).

“I think parties that were reluctant to be part of government formation last time would be queuing at the door. At the end of the day, where I come from right across the spectrum I think this government are not doing a good job. I am talking about everyday things that people contend with,” said Ó Cuív, adding that he is in touch with “the realities of people’s lives”. 

He said people are still dealing with residual debt issues, housing shortages, hospital waiting lists and broadband provision.

The Galway TD said the current government is not a “good” government, adding that in his view, they are not competent. 

“I would like to see a change in government but Micheál has signed up, it seems the majority of the parliamentary party backed that and I accept the will of the majority.”

If an election was to be held and Fianna Fáil became the largest party, what other parties might it talk to? Ó Cuív rules out a grand coalition between Fine Gael and Fianna Fáil.

‘Fine Gael are a right-wing party’

“I can’t see a coalition with Fine Gael, it is nothing to do with historical issues, but in my view, they are very right-wing – right-wing economics, right-wing attitude to people, they lack, in my view, the acceptance of people, the way people really are with all their issues. I would feel Fianna Fail would do a better job. We are not compatible [with Fine Gael].”

He added that this was the view of the party membership also.

What about Sinn Féin? 

“Micheál has said they are off the table, so we’ll say no more about that,” adds Ó Cuív.

While Ó Cuív said he is not “privy” to the information as to why his party leader signed up for another year of the confidence and supply agreement, he said he hopes his party has solutions to some of society’s problems. 

“I think I have answers to some of the problems,” he said, however, he admitted he has concerns about the move towards centralised power within his own party, and other areas of society. 

“One of the things that fascinates me, in many organisations, not just Fianna Fáil, but including Fianna Fáil, is the centralising forces, it is a massive modern phenomenon.

“You see it in the health sector, but you also see it in Fianna Fáil and I don’t think that is good,” he said, pointing out that the GAA has managed to avoid centralisation with the county and club still being autonomous. 

“This is a challenge in Fianna Fáil but I don’t think we are unique with this problem.” 

While some might view Ó Cuív’s comments as the Galway TD sticking it to his party leader, he views it as voicing an opinion on Fianna Fáil’s path forward.

His relationship with Micheál Martin

There has long been talk over the years that Martin and Ó Cuív don’t see eye to eye on many subject matters, though Ó Cuív will not speculate as to whether the Cork TD will be forced to move on if Fianna Fáil fail in gaining more seats after the next election. 

So what is their relationship like now, particularly since Martin removed him from the frontbench for his role in launching a local election candidate in the North without Martin’s say so?

“I think we always got on okay, but I think it would be true to say that we hold different views on many many different subjects, but I tend to work with all sorts of people who don’t share my view on a whole range of subjects.”

Having robust debate on issues “is what makes life interesting”, said Ó Cuív, adding that people having different opinions is good, otherwise things begin to stagnate. 

One of the problems in modern politics is the lack of debate, the lack of challenging perceived wisdoms, the lack at looking at the thing that had validity last year or ten years ago and that doesn’t have validity anymore, because the world has moved on.

The full interview with Eamon Ó Cuív on what did happen with that local election candidate launch in North and why he says he did what he did for the “greater good” will be published at 9.30pm.

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    Jun 5th 2019, 12:23 PM

    ESB made an operating profit of €445 million last year.
    They can fix their own problems please.

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    Mute Peter Hughes
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    Jun 5th 2019, 12:37 PM

    @Leo Massey: Correct and this ripoff given the green light as usual by our wonderful government…..a country of 5 million making profits of half a billion…..unreal.

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    Jun 5th 2019, 12:48 PM

    @Leo Massey: They’re state owned. The profits go to the government. The money still comes from the same place in the end.

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    Jun 5th 2019, 12:49 PM

    @Leo Massey: you are talking about ESB Group and final profit after exceptional item, interest and tax was €60m

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    Mute Vincent #SaveDaredevil
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    Jun 5th 2019, 12:49 PM

    @Peter Hughes: Was at one point we had one of the cheapest electric in Europe then was increased to allow other companies to come into the market. Well done FF

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    Jun 5th 2019, 12:58 PM

    @Vincent #SaveDaredevil: and your proof for this claim?

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    Mute John R
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    Jun 5th 2019, 2:28 PM

    @Vincent #SaveDaredevil: Yes it was the cheapest electricity in the EU at one point. But “competition” was introduced. This resulted in the ESB as it was then being obliged to raise prices so that private competitors could undercut them due to the small scale of the Irish market. It also reduced the cost effectiveness of the then ESB due to reduced scale. It has delivered precious little to the Irish public except the illusion of price competition in a tiny market with a widely dispersed population. Thank goodness they decided not to privatise the national grid. Competition is usually a good thing but, in my view, electricity generation in a tiny market like Ireland is as close to a natural monopoly as it gets. So regulate the public monopoly and don’t introduce faux competition.

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    Mute Darren Byrne
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    Jun 5th 2019, 4:09 PM

    @John R: The market was opened to competition in 2009. The ESB were not allowed to lower prices until it had lost a significant amount of customers to other suppliers. This happened in 2011 and the ESB were allowed set their own prices. They also had to change their name to Electric Ireland at the time. https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/cheaper-bills-are-on-way-as-esb-sets-own-prices-26710661.html
    People saying we had the cheapest rates don’t seem to be able to produce evidence. It was a state owned company that generated revenue for the government. I’m sure they were nice however and rat it at a huge loss.

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    Jun 5th 2019, 12:20 PM

    Map and share data on any kind of pollution anywhere @ OpenLitterMap.com – the data is accessible to everyone as open data so citizens can make sure local authorities are doing their job.

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    Jun 5th 2019, 12:19 PM

    The ESB doesn’t have the money to change these oil filled cables which have given great service for a great many years. Newer PVC type insulation cables have no maintenance whatsoever and if the Regulator gives money to the ESB to change out these old cables, the ESB would do it no problem.

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    Mute Vincent #SaveDaredevil
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    Jun 5th 2019, 12:35 PM

    @Wild Goose: Sorry but they hit this for years. They made 445 million last year!!!!

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    Mute Darren Byrne
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    Jun 5th 2019, 12:44 PM

    @Vincent #SaveDaredevil: is that ESB networks that made that money or Electric Ireland which is a different company.

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    Jun 5th 2019, 12:47 PM

    @Vincent #SaveDaredevil: Also you do realise that since its state owned the profits are handed to the government. it doesn’t really matter if its the ESB or the government who pays for it

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    Jun 5th 2019, 12:50 PM

    @Vincent #SaveDaredevil: ESB Group made that figure. Also after exceptional items, interest and tax it was €60m for the Group.

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    Mute Vincent #SaveDaredevil
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    Jun 5th 2019, 12:51 PM

    @Darren Byrne: But will anyone be sacked for hiding this for years????

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    Jun 5th 2019, 1:58 PM

    @Vincent #SaveDaredevil: here come the uneducated, shouting ill thought out baseless statements.

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    Jun 5th 2019, 2:30 PM

    @Vincent #SaveDaredevil: They didn’t hide it. They reported it to the body they were obliged to report it to.

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    Jun 5th 2019, 12:49 PM

    FYI you can thank the Labour party for enacting the protected disclosures act 2014 which allowed Mr. McLoughlin his civil protections.

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    Jun 5th 2019, 1:37 PM

    This is disgusting. A semi-state knowingly polluting waterways but deciding that it’s not in the public’s interest to disclose such information. Wouldn’t it be nice to have government organisations that lead by example. If the government don’t care, why should anyone else? A case of “do as we say, not as we do”?

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    Jun 5th 2019, 2:33 PM

    @Shakka1244: The ESB has being reporting on this to the regulator for years. The reason this is in the news is that RTE picked up on it and the ESB are now taking to the EPA. whom they had not informed. The question is whose job was it to report this problem to the EPA? The ESB? The regulator? Or both of them? Or perhaps there is no statutory requirement to report it to the EPA at all which would seem most peculiar.

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    Jun 5th 2019, 3:19 PM

    I fail to see the controversy in this. They used the common practice of the time when installing these cables, with non toxic biodegradable oils, newer maintenance free options are becoming available and these will be changed out over the coming years. There is no secrecy, only non awareness by the non technical public. I’d be surprised if the EPA if had not always considered and counted this as known source of soil contamination. That is a question that needs answering.
    The continuous replacement at such a high level is surprising though, that might negate any biodegradability benefit. Have they worked out how much per year per cubic meter of effected soil? Or how low that needs to be effectively broken down? Or how flooding plays into it all?

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    Jun 5th 2019, 2:52 PM

    Expect whopping great increases in electricity bills, have to pay for the new cables.

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    Jun 5th 2019, 10:45 PM

    The oil filled cables are topped up from supply tanks at sub-stations.
    Oil leakage was no secret but the ESB were hardly going to go boasting about it.

    This looks like a flash in the pan sensation reporting.
    BTW 1,000 m3 over 20 years over the whole country.
    Does that count for much? I’d say there is more disposed into drains and back gardens every week.

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    Jun 5th 2019, 2:31 PM

    They claim most was mineral oil, but these are old cables from when PCB was commonly used for electrical insulation and cooling:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polychlorinated_biphenyl
    https://www.epa.ie/pubs/forms/surveys/PCB%20Information%20Leaflet.pdf

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    Mute Chemical Brothers
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    Jun 5th 2019, 6:16 PM

    Ha like the missing 100,000 litres of JetA1 from #IrishAirCorps fuel farm that EPA, kept quiet about.

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    Jun 5th 2019, 7:21 PM

    @Chemical Brothers: That be 3 Tanker loads very hard to hide 3 tankers.

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    Jun 6th 2019, 3:30 PM

    Perhaps they should investigate the utter waste of money at ESB. While charging customers increases they regularly spend outrageous amounts sending staff away, nights out and bonuses.

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    Jun 6th 2019, 12:40 AM

    Were we Irish born incompetent, or just blind to it?

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    Jun 6th 2019, 8:15 AM

    @Denis McClean:

    Olive oil has many uses but it’s is a fairly new phenomena here in cooking.

    The extra virgin variety is great for a massage, it has been reported.

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