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SPEAKING YESTERDAY TO TheJournal.ie, Taoiseach Leo Varadkar stopped short of saying the UK should have another Brexit referendum, but said that he would be pleased if the UK ultimately stayed in the EU.
The six month Brexit hiatus has led to suggestions that the UK has time to hold another referendum or a general election. But what about here?
Fianna Fail has said it will continue to adhere to the confidence and supply agreement with Fine Gael into 2020 and until clarity is brought to Brexit, but does this delay mean there’s time for an Irish election before 31 October?
Poll: Does the Brexit delay mean Ireland should hold a general election?
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If it meant cleaning out the current puppets yes.
@TechBuzz Ireland: Because the Sheeple of Ireland are likely to not re-elect the majority of them. Elections are a sport to see which elites get the Crown and nothing more.
@LD: exactly. Logic would dictate that Harris and Murphy both lose their seats, but in reality they will be re-elected and most likely receive different ministerial portfolios as I see FG keeping the highest number of seats.
@TechBuzz Ireland: and what difference will the others make
@LD: Sheeple….So you are standing out from the crowd and setting an example?
@Mushy Peas: lol! Murphy and Harris only ? What about the highest position in government, liar Leo? Isn’t he ultimately responsible? He should be first out the door!
@LD:
Elections are the most important part of the democratic system. The part where ordinary people elect the people who they want to represent them. Do you object to people having a say in who runs the country? Do you think we should let you pick the next group of TD’s.
“Sheeple”, wow! you are so grown up.
@Shane Murphy: yeah fair point. I suppose I just don’t see a sitting Taoiseach not being re-elected in this country. Not saying he is fit for the position.
@Mushy Peas: that to me , is probably the easiest fix. If a good job wasn’t being done. Don’t vote for the person holding Taoiseach position next time round. That would end their “ do as little as you can get away with “ agenda!
@Martin Clougher: Well in any election I vote for a candidate that I share the majority of my own ideology with and that I believe is most likely to be true to their word. I am willing to study up on the candidates in my constituency. It happens once every 5 years so not really too much to ask.
@TechBuzz Ireland: F88k Brexit – need a general election NOW regardless!!! If Delaney can be ousted from the FAI over a €100,000 loan – then surely we can oust this government spending €2bn on a hospital originally quoted at €500,000 – surely! This country is in ribbons and nobody cares! There aren’t enough homes, house prices on the rise again, homelessness, current hospitals with patients on trolleys in hallways and the list goes on. We just sit here, on the journal, bitching to each other, and nobody does anything.
@LD: that is because conservative irish people vote fianna fail and fine gael and wont charge untill this changes you get same incompetent run governments
@CrabaRev: In theory we live in a democracy where elections are the most important instrument of expressing free will. In reality people have been constricted in an economic stranglehold where most of the benefits stay with the elites. You can disagree all you want but ask people who are saddled with massive mortgages and working all the waking hours they have just to survive and tell me we live in a lovely free democracy!
@TechBuzz Ireland: Unfortunately the same puppets will be reelected.
@Mushy Peas: This is proof of the levels of disengagement that exist. If people took the time to weigh up the facts and to put traditions to one side, there is no way anybody with 2 brain cells and even an ounce of moral fibre would actually choose to re-elect people like Varadkar and Harris, not to mention the likes of Lowry!!
@LD:
As seen on a poster on a door in the last GE…
” Everyone knows FG, FF and Lab don’t keep their promises, but most people are afraid SF, PBP etc might try to keep theirs.”
Everyone knows FG and FF are corrupt and incompetent, but what do you suggest for all the voters who don’t believe in socialism?
@LD: Or just people with different political views than yourself?
@CrabaRev: ‘sheeple’ is a word used by the looney fringe to explain to their little band of followers why the majority never seem to support them. The correct term is ‘majority view’, but they live in hope of the next Soviet.
@Patrick Nolan: You won’t find me disagreeing with that. This is the problem with political party systems. What a real democracy would look like would be governed by a people’s assembly and not a protected political elite! The role should be about governing for all not lining their own pockets. Nothing should be dictated solely by ideologies like socialism or capitalism, we need to accept that all ideologies have pluses and minuses and we need to find compromises!!
@John Mulligan: My use of the word Sheeple is in reference to what I see as a majority of the electorate voting for corrupt incompetence. It is not about people following a preferred ideology it is about holding those in power to account. By any measure the HSE is a shambles and so is the handling of the crisis housing. Therefore, Harris and Murphy are responsible as the ministers in charge. They miserably fail people like those women caught up in the Cervical scandal and then people will re-elect Harris. That to me goes beyond ideology to just being completely unacceptable
@Eugene Tyson: Go on then. Tell us how we oust them?
@TechBuzz Ireland: Stop codding yourself, there is no alternative government in waiting.
@TechBuzz Ireland: seriosly!!! Who could possibly replace minister Harris,minister murphy,Regina the great to mention but a few
Polls is not working. But yeah get rid of ff/fg
@andyearley: not gonna happen
@andyearley: yeah it would be nice, but I don’t see it happening.
@andyearley: and bring in the army council, who select rather than elect.
Well, it worked in Venezuela, I suppose
@andyearley: …not to mention Messrs. Healy-Rae
@MurtyMac: love to see them turfed out
Definitely, end this “vaneer “ of a government now. Very disappointed with the treatment of the sick, elderly and the homeless.
@Paddy Morton: you forgot the “homed” paying over fifty percent of their income for a roof over their head. Along with the fifty percent marginal rate of tax they pay. For nothing in return!
@Paddy Morton: what’s a vaneer?
@Shane Murphy: well said, this government rose the vat on hospitality sector not to give a break to the working poor NO it was given to people who don’t want to work!
@Jon Snow: ya know nuttin Jon Snow
@Liam O Connor: spot on Liam. Just to recap, a worker on roughly 34,000 the last few budgets has benefited e1.50 a week. To benefit the same fiver , as someone who never worked in their life welfare warrior, you have to earn 55,000 a year! And yes you did read that right! Varadkar is a fraud. Worryingly hundreds of thousands still think he’s a man for the working people ! When he said “a recovery for all” he meant a recovery for all his cronies!
@Martin Clougher: He has more than a veneer of understanding.
@Paddy Morton: FFG have held the country to ransom with secret confidence and supply deals to the extent that Martin and Varadkar can TOGETHER decide whether and if we have elections. This effectively eliminates the opposition and this is neither democratic nor constitutional. People need to grow up and vote for anyone else with no transfers or the next election will be in hell, if the devil lets us have one.
@Shane Murphy: https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/top-10-own-over-half-of-irish-wealth-330046.html
Yeah it really is the fault of the €5 or so on social welfare.
@Shane Murphy: https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/top-10-own-over-half-of-irish-wealth-330046.html
Yeah it really is the fault of the €5 or so on social welfare.
@Shane Murphy: https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/top-10-own-over-half-of-irish-wealth-330046.html
Yeah it really is the fault of the €5 or so on social welfare. Read above and learn where the real problem is with FF/Fg policy.
@Paddy Morton: U have to remember terms of loan to ireland not laid befre dail for its instructions on behalf of tax payer to get better terms .. eg term for merger of Anglo and INBS with Anglos debt removed then p note gone.
Under S6.3 The Credit Institutions Financial Suppoer Act 08 08 min for finance has power to make an order making bank debt our debt for period nominated by him or her in an order and to pay out of central funds during that period with NO NEED TO GO TO DAIL . How can TD make promise out of public fund for as long as that act on statute books or terms of laon not before dail ?
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No TD gone to the high court challenging the min authority to pay three billion euro to IMF ( deal made by min with eu and imf ) ANOTHER term .
Think TD need to be asked Who gave them mandate to give POWER TO ONE PERSON to pay out of fund for banks at any time AND who gave min authority to pay three billion to IMF pursuant to his deal with EU/IMF. Did Dail? If not what are TD going to do about it or do they just think central fund not of ther busienss and dail business ?
Think a that thirteen billion to buy them bonds CBI hold cld be put to a lot more use if DAIL ENGAGED in those terms of laon to ireland.
@Paddy Morton: cut social payments in half .it would quickly solve alot off problems.if people want a free house let them earn half price off it .
@John Gleeson: and I the meantime become homeless therefore putting more pressure o the welfare state. Well done you!
This country needs a general election ASAP! Fine Gael, Fianna Fáil etc….. cannot continue to hold governance in this country while they slowly destroy it and while Varadkar’s failed ministers systematically fail to afford every man, woman and child equal, fair representation!
@Niall Binéad: One of FG or FF will be the leaders of the next government. Only difference a GE might bring is a smaller party goes into power with them.
@Niall Binéad: we don’t need an alternative that will make the working poor even poorer if that’s even possible, but it would be a good idea to ask some of these alternative PC parties their position on the USC.
@Niall Binéad: The problem is who do the people vote for? As both Fianna Fáil and Fianna Gael are one in the same and I would bet my life that support agreement works both ways. The labour party is non existent and rightly so as it sold its voters out for political profit. Shane Ross and the Healy-Rays give independents a bad reputation. And the solidarity hasn’t got enough candidates but also needs balance within. So who do the people vote for?
@Jean Byrne: working people ? Renua
@Jean Byrne: How about the third biggest party in the country ie: The one that you and every other ostrich won’t get your heads out of the sand to see. SF.
@Shane Murphy: they want the USC to stay!
No fan of FF but the current ‘arrangement’ isn’t healthy at all.
@John Quill: it’s effectively a one party state run for the benefit of FGFF. There is no real opposition. That’s the fact of the matter.
I don’t think we need to use Brexit as an excuse to call a General Election, The current government have had a lot of mistakes, its time to give us a chance to elect people who are actually capable!
@Jenny Kelleher: I don’t know if there are any more capable. BUT they have had over EIGHT years in power. Things are getting worse for many people and the economy is performing strongly. People aren’t feeling it though! I’ll be voting for an alternative , I’ll give someone else a chance. I’ve seen what proven failure looks like. Ffg, that’s proven failure!
Please advise if there is an alternative…I don’t see one.
Yes, now. Just one of many reasons, In new Zealand, they introduced a law banning any foreign investors from buying houses. In ireland our idiot gov are doing the exact opposite, incouraging foreign investors to buy housing making thousand homeless and displacing many more. Then adding insult to injury, they’re squandering all the tax intake in projects like the overrspend on the childrens hospital.
They will wait until there pensions are safe and no other reason
@pat seery:
They got that last May. (2 years)
Seriously though, what’s the point? The reason why we have our two biggest parties sharing government at the moment is because there is no, or very little difference in their policies. For the first time in my life I won’t be voting for either in the next election, but you know as well as I do most people will put the same people back in again. The best we can hope for would be Coveney instead of Leo as fine gael leader, being realistic.
@Ger: you are right. But also because people don’t see a viable third choice. A viable third choice and those ffg rats would be numbered. And a mean a viable choice that will look after workers! No hammer them!
@Shane Murphy: I agree but I don’t see an alternative really. I’ve been thinking of voting Sinn Fein because they have been good to my family and others in my home town but I would rather give it to a viable 3rd party, but we just don’t have that at the moment. It’s depressing knowing that the make up of the next government will most likely be similar if not the same. What makes it worse is that they know this too.
@Ger: @Ger: I and many others are with you. Ffg aren’t getting a vote. No point in voting those morons back in and then complaining about it. Renua would at least be a voice for workers in the dail and I’ll possibly give sf a vote. They aren’t changing , because the duopoly don’t have to. Short of a new party , they only thing that will make them change , is the fear of or actually losing votes
@Shane Murphy:
I voted Renua way back in the first by-election they ran in (they came third) but since the last GE they have moved too far towards the religious right and are pretty toxic at this stage, wouldn’t touch them with a large poll.
Wind of change is blowing and FFG have the fear…
There are no candidates or parties capable of delivering change, so it makes no difference if we have an election because the same muppets and family dynasties will still hold the power. The Irish public are mice and lack teeth. In any other country the Smear test scandal and Children’s hospital would be enough to bring any government down, and any decent opposition would demand it.
the sooner the better – get rid of this pox of a government !
Absolutely….
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@iohanx: What a baffling article. I’m as confused as you.
@iohanx: The question mark [ ? ] (also known as interrogation point, query, or eroteme in journalism) is a punctuation mark that indicates an interrogative clause or phrase in many languages. The question mark is not used for indirect questions. The question mark glyph is also often used in place of missing or unknown data
@Greg Ward: or in this case, a majority of people will take it to mean…what the hell is this article saying…just for next time you see it.
Where is the “NO. Give us an election now.” option?
I wonder what plans Splinter is dreaming up today to make the “early risers” life more difficult? Life time surfs to the likes of Kennedy Wilson paying no tax , when the working poor are hit with a marginal rate of FIFTY percent. Disgusting! Lying! Thief!
@Shane Murphy: Did you mean serfs?
@Brian Carroll: correct. Surf marketing department obviously did a good job. Varadkar could give them a lesson on Spin I’m sure!
Michael Martin ,Richard Bruton, Shane Ross, Simon Harris and Marylou McDonald should get no votes, they have failed the electorate. Varadker will probably have himself set up for an EU job before the election
@Cathal: Why is McDonald there. SF in opposition have been stymied by FFG’s confidence and supply, so she hasn’t had an opportunity to do anything good or bad.
@Denis McClean: SF, too immature a leader for starters given her display on Patricks Day.
@Gus Sheridan: And Varadkar’s displays since he shoots from the hip (badly) and was elected by a crony party minority with zilch popular mandate, are somehow acceptable to you on what basis???
Lots of people on here want change, but yet wont vote for change.
That’s why these muppets keep getting re-elected you know.
@Logan Shepherd:
True.
We want change but don’t like the alternatives we are been offered.
@Patrick Nolan: Spoken like an obedient FFG clone.
@Patrick Nolan: Well if you want change then all you have to do is vote for someone else.
Yes please, the time is now.
Apart from the odd seat it’d just be the same wnakers in government
What’s the point.
Same heads in a different cushy number
Every article we can comment on is filled with “lets get rid of the gov.” without any alternative being suggested.
Who do you guys want running the country? Or is it just senseless complaining.
Maybe we need a poll…
Time for Leo and co to start their engines rev up and piss off
It would be great if they were all decent enough to be trustworthy given that, that trust is willingly given to people most of us voting dont know.
Not go to make a blind bit of difference until the
Credit institutions financial support act amended or repealed
Or
term of loan to Ireland on Dail with dail acting for taxpayer seeking better terms for taxpayers. such as the removal of the merger of Anglo and IN as s term then.
Change mean telling TD that minister not be given power to access to public fund without going to dail no minister cos of deal done with eu by min
hard to call
Yes please
I intend to give them all a mention on the next ballot paper I get – I’ll be writing ‘NONE OF THE ABOVE’ on it and placing it in the ballot box. A plague on ALL their houses.
@Ceclia Lynch: In your case, the best protest vote is one for the candidate who you think will do the least damage but make the most noise, with no transfers for anyone else. Don’t waste what people died to give you … use it as best you can.
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