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The Irish For Let's settle the 'crack' versus 'craic' debate by looking at the evidence

The word appears to originate before 1900 in parts of Ireland where spoken Irish was high and literacy was low, writes Darach Ó Séaghdha.

This is the latest dispatch from our columnist Darach Ó Séaghdha, author of the award-winning and bestselling Motherfoclóir. Every Sunday morning, Darach will be regaling (re-Gaeling?) us with insights on what the Irish language says about Ireland, our society, our past and our present. Enjoy.

DO YOU HAVE a least favourite word?

Chances are that you, like me, have a hard time just picking one.

For example, abbreviating the word body to ‘bod’ annoys me so much that my hand unconsciously forms a fist when I hear it.

How much time are you saving by dropping the ‘y’ and what are you using that time for? Press ups? I doubt it.

I could spend the rest of my days without hearing ‘hubby’ (or worse ‘hubs’) and not miss it once.

I do not care for the notiony ‘methinks’ either and cannot recall it appearing in a sentence whose meaning would’ve been changed without it.

It is in this context that I want to discuss the ‘craic’ vs ‘crack’ debate which resurfaced on Twitter this week.

I am resigned to the fact that it will resurface again in a few months time with the same old arguments thrown about again, but will still quixotically attempt to settle it forever.

Some people dislike the word craic (particularly the spelling) and they are perfectly entitled to do so, just as I dislike hubby.

However, what really grinds my gears is when they attempt to justify this dislike by claiming the word is inauthentic, coined recently and cynically and that it isn’t even Irish.

A distant Middle English origin is occasionally suggested yet no evidence of a direct connection between the two cracks is ever attempted.

They insist on spelling it crack – which is fine, if you must- but are weirdly proud of themselves for doing so, as though they are little Dutch boys bravely fingering the holes in a dam, stopping a deluge of slang, tautologies, Americanisms, split infinitives, grocer’s apostrophes and other linguistic floodwater.

My reservations about ‘crack’ are no less valid than their disdain for ‘craic’.

I don’t call craic crack for the same reason I don’t call cigarettes fags or cats pussies, even though I accept that others do so in good faith. There’s a double meaning there which doesn’t serve my purposes and I’m taking precautions against it.

But does craic have an authenticity problem, you ask?

Even if we were to accept that the spelling was coined in English in the late 1980s as some crackers suggest, this would still make it no less authentic than English terms such as Eurosceptic, single malt and meta, all of which formally entered dictionaries during Ian Dempsey’s tenure on The Den.

Craic would be an ancient word compared to the use of text as a verb. Do you consider these word formations too recent to be fit for use?

Besides, the Irish word craic is in Ó Donaill’s 1977 foclóir and there are plenty of examples of it in the preceding years in Irish language journalism and other writing, frequently as part of an alliterative three word run with ceol and céilí.

Its meaning is poetically enriched by its similarities to craiceáilte (to be crazy) and ag bualadh craicinn (having sex), states of being which might be attained while having the craic.

Even if it had never appeared in English before, I’d happily bring it in as a loanword in 2019.

And what about the legitimacy of the crack spelling? I did a trawl through Irish Newspaper Archives for the phrases ‘good crack’, ‘having the crack’ and some other variations.

It seems that people weren’t ‘having the crack’ until 1966, at which point ‘craic’ had already appeared in print. As for ‘good crack’, this phrase occurred (in the right context) in court reports of regional papers as far back as 1900.

However, two things must be noted about these earlier incidences: that they are transcriptions by a journalist of defendants’ testimony (the verbatim quotations were frequently presented for stage Irish comic effect) and that these defendants were from rural Ulster or Connacht locations – where spoken Irish was high but literacy was low.

I’d like to give those illiterate rustic criminals the last word in this discussion – they could not spell and would find this whole discussion to be hare-brained nonsense and a distraction from what really matters – taking the time to make mirth with friends, have a few drinks, dance to some good music and laugh so hard that no sound comes out.

If only there was a word for that. 

Darach’s new book Craic Baby is the follow-up to his acclaimed Motherfoclóir and is out now under the Head of Zeus imprint.

He runs @theirishfor Twitter account and the @motherfocloir podcast.

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    Jul 18th 2017, 5:40 PM

    She should have been thrown out ages ago along with a lot of other Senior members

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    Jul 18th 2017, 6:10 PM

    @Mark Walsh: nothing is going to change, the next lackey will tow the line like last & the one before

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    Jul 18th 2017, 6:29 PM

    @Richard Cronin: they should push her now, because there is even more to come in Noirin and it is not any better.

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    Jul 18th 2017, 9:42 PM

    @Mark Walsh: not thrown out, arrested and prosecuted, those who enforce the law and break the law should be subject to the maximum extent of the law, no extenuating circumstances plain simple maximum sentence available! But there is a problem, a guard investigating a guard!

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    Jul 18th 2017, 10:08 PM

    @Mark Walsh:
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    Jul 19th 2017, 1:42 AM

    @Richard Cronin: The next Commissioner needs to be from overseas in order to be credible. Otherwise they’ll be seen as coming from the same club of cronies.

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    Jul 20th 2017, 6:34 AM

    @Mark Walsh: anyone of us does anything wrong in a job we get sacked this lot are immune to anything along with bankers politicians anyone rich really

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    Jul 18th 2017, 5:38 PM

    Exposed at last. Now what ? Carry on FFS

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    Jul 18th 2017, 7:40 PM

    @Peter Higgins: What do you mean “at last”? At this stage it’s like the Donald trump saga, how incompetent/corrupt does she and many (at the to level) in the organisation actually need to prove themselves before they’re removed. They need a hard nosed person from outside Ireland to come in and clean house. Cooperate and do your job, or walk the plank.

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    Jul 18th 2017, 11:35 PM

    @Joseph Blocks: don’t see where you got corrupt from??

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    Jul 19th 2017, 1:44 AM

    @Andrew Dillon: There’s willful corruption and there’s incompetent corruption. She definitely incompetent and I’d be very surprised if it’s not both.

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    Jul 19th 2017, 6:38 AM

    @Patrick Kearns: so you wouldn’t consider the collusion to slander and discredit Maurice McCabe which she took part in corrupt? Which stemmed from part of a larger coverup McCabe was trying to expose. I consider it worse then corruption what was done to McCabe.

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    Jul 18th 2017, 5:45 PM

    Hopefully this will bring down the government into the bargain.

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    Jul 18th 2017, 5:54 PM

    @Mark DeFriest: agree – there could be an election in August.

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    Jul 18th 2017, 6:19 PM

    @Mark DeFriest: no chance FF will huff and puff as usual but do nothing and it will back fire on them so move along now nothing to see here

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    Jul 18th 2017, 7:41 PM

    @John Ryan: she is not standing for Election,.

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    Jul 18th 2017, 11:36 PM

    @John Ryan: during the Dail holiday… don’t think so.

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    Jul 18th 2017, 5:54 PM

    She didn’t inherit a mess, she was part of it! Or was she just whispering sweet nothings in Callinans ear when he was being investigated?

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    Jul 18th 2017, 6:16 PM

    @Mistawez:

    Yes and that’s the worst part of her appointment.

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    Jul 18th 2017, 6:18 PM

    FG have dined out on being the party of law and order it seems it’s only law and order when it’s doesn’t affect Their political appointees. Well Leo what about the thuggery involved here

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    Jul 18th 2017, 7:44 PM

    @Tim Brennan: they fina gael were always mouthing on morals , flanagans and cosgrave and fitzgeralds but never achieved anything for the average guy,,

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    Jul 18th 2017, 5:43 PM

    Fianna Gaols “Bouncers” are bent so?

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    Jul 18th 2017, 5:49 PM

    @Frank Cauldhame:

    Serious question. Is Fianna Gaol a play on the joint Fine Gael and Fianna Fáil government or a typo or maybe a bit of both?

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    Jul 18th 2017, 5:51 PM

    @Nick Allen:

    Jog along Nick !

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    Jul 18th 2017, 5:54 PM

    @Frank Cauldhame:

    Does that mean you don’t know?

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    Jul 18th 2017, 5:57 PM

    @Nick Allen:

    Are you upset with how things are panning out?

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    Jul 18th 2017, 6:04 PM

    @Frank Cauldhame:

    Why would I be upset? She was a bad appointment and the Gardai is rife with corruption at a very senior level. She needs to be removed from her job ASAP.
    You jump on the blue shirt bandwagon all too quickly and assume you know people’s political ideologies.

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    Jul 18th 2017, 6:06 PM

    @Frank Cauldhame: Shock horror, what a surprise.

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    Jul 18th 2017, 6:09 PM

    @Nick Allen:

    Its just t’internet, don’t allow yourself to get so wound up, is it actually worth it?

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    @Frank Cauldhame:

    I am not at all wound up, just sitting in the back of a taxi passing the time. The joys of mobile technology.

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    @Nick Allen:

    Glad you are ok, safe home.

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    Jul 18th 2017, 6:27 PM

    @Frank Cauldhame:

    Thx

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    Jul 18th 2017, 6:41 PM

    Low standards in high places is what we Irish excel in.

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    Jul 19th 2017, 5:12 PM

    @Tony Daly: This country in not a fully functioning Democratic Republic, as evidenced by the countless Tribunal’s, inquiries, and commissions, mostly caused by the incompetent , cover up cute hoor state apparatus, who are then rewarded with tax free lump sums and golden pensions some at 50 years of age. It could only happen in Paddy fairy land.

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    Jul 18th 2017, 7:01 PM

    Why can’t politicians ever admit they backed the wrong horse? Once O’Sullivan was given her first (of now umpteen) expressions of ‘full confidence’ by our elected politicians in government, to have to admit as scandals trip over themselves being unearthed that ya know what – we were wrong, she’s part of the problem and definitely NOT part of the solution is beyond them & they stick to the original script
    The very fact she’s still there at all even after yet another scandal, indicates to me at least that she’s waiting for the golden handshake that she wouldn’t get if she resigned or she’s not being allowed to go by her political masters.
    Seriously, this has been going from crisis to crisis and now the EU are investigating as European funds were slushed around in the Templemore gravy boat.

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    Jul 19th 2017, 2:13 AM

    @Gerry Carroll: mary harney had a long run at abusing her powers with a piano in her hotel room in south africa and still she clung on , same with cowen and bertie, seems a very irish thing ”never letting go of the gravy train” ..
    no wonder the main parties will suffer,,

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    Jul 18th 2017, 6:18 PM

    The golden handshake is coming, only the select few.

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    Jul 18th 2017, 7:04 PM

    A corrupt government needs a corrupt police force or neither will thrive.
    There’s no point in simply sacking Noirin. many of the top Garda management have been there with both her an Calinan all along.
    A whole sale purge of the Gardai is needed from top to bottom. The inherent culture has to change.

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    Jul 18th 2017, 7:27 PM

    Well done PAC again. Another good report. You would have to wonder what kind of dirt she has on a lot of the politicians who continue to support her??

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    Jul 18th 2017, 9:23 PM

    @Grainne Kelly: Thats the 64 billion question Grainne.

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    Jul 19th 2017, 5:14 PM

    @Grainne Kelly: Nail on the head.

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    Jul 18th 2017, 6:16 PM

    Put the whistleblowers in charge and give them Carte Blanche!!

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    Jul 18th 2017, 5:54 PM

    What do you have to do to get fired from a public position in Ireland? A grubby corrupt little country which could not give a damn about the ordinary citizen and yet justifies and excuses the crimes of the elite. Feck parochial politics and throw this useless woman and her cabal out of the gardai and re-structure the service.

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    Jul 18th 2017, 6:03 PM

    And who will take her place? Replacing the wrapping doesn’t hide the fact the the package is damaged and rotten.

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    Jul 18th 2017, 6:37 PM

    @Brian McDonnell: Sadly I agree with you. It will take along time for trust to be restored after this episode and the previous commissioners “decision” to resign…….

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    Jul 18th 2017, 6:14 PM

    Quiet for ten months? What was she thinking or she decided to report the theft after money wasn’t transferred to her account possibly in Cabra as she was promised……how so unfortunately!

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    Jul 18th 2017, 5:37 PM

    If ever an article required a ban on comments. This is it. The can of worms that could be opened.

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    Jul 18th 2017, 5:42 PM

    @Seriously:
    The can of worms SHOULD be opened

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    Jul 18th 2017, 5:45 PM

    @Seriously: if the “can of worms” were not opened, then this would not have come to light. I’m all for cans of worms.

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    Jul 18th 2017, 6:20 PM

    @Tweed Cap: I am all for the can of worms to be opened, but this Ireland. We don’t do accountability, honesty or value for money in high office or any public office. It was briefly mentioned today on Newstalk that Charlie Flanagan came out immediately to back the Garda Commisioner. The reason being, to do otherwise would set in motion a case for constructive dismissal. The mantra I’m sure will be Nothing To See Here.

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    Jul 18th 2017, 10:19 PM

    @Seriously: The Cabinet has the power to dismiss the Commissioner for any reason it likes, to the best of my knowledge.

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    Jul 18th 2017, 7:09 PM

    Que : FF reps saying that they she should step down, then voting down a motion of no confidence in her and then backing another motion of confidence in NOS, from FG!

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    Jul 18th 2017, 7:25 PM

    The whole structure of the gardai needs to be completely overhauled. Recruit people from top international law enforcement agency’s from around the world i.e. Interpol, Scotland yard, FBI. Set up a panel of these professionals to devise a new policing structure and training regime in Ireland and let them head it for the next 10 years, recruit and train their replacement until the existing incompetent lot are gone and replaced.

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    Jul 18th 2017, 5:41 PM

    Will Leo send the head of his Department too ask for her resignation like Enda did. Or will he ask her to resign properly.The Garda Commissioner tenure is becoming a joke and her pussy footing around things is not helping her, any situation or the Government.

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    Jul 18th 2017, 5:43 PM

    @Mick McGuinness:

    TBH it doesn’t matter how he does it, send her a text for all I care. The result is the most important thing and it just has to be done.

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    Jul 18th 2017, 8:20 PM

    Hard to believe Alan kelly is leading the PAC when he blatantly and continually lied about the Irish water figures.

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    Jul 18th 2017, 6:55 PM

    Clean it out to have any hope of change,if there are no consequences there will be no change.

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    Jul 18th 2017, 7:04 PM

    @@mdmak33: totally agree. They’ve been operating outside and above the law well over a decade now. Chris Patten totally restructured the old RUC which had its own issues but here it’s endemic and part of a long standing ‘we ARE the law, the rules don’t apply to us’ that’s brought this sickening saga to go on and on no matter what!

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    Jul 18th 2017, 11:24 PM
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    Jul 18th 2017, 7:43 PM

    She should be gone . When she does take fn Joan, an Kelly with you please

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    Jul 18th 2017, 6:34 PM

    What a farce though I do feel sorry for the rank and file who will be those carrying the brunt of this report.

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    Jul 18th 2017, 6:19 PM

    She should be throwing put months ago

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    Jul 18th 2017, 6:10 PM

    If everyone in opposition wants her gone Pippy polka dot socks will keep her on in defient arrogance.

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    Jul 18th 2017, 7:29 PM

    If she does go ,she goes with a Golden Pension,and even when that happens it will be costly ,but the cost if she remains can not be calculated,go and may your God go with you

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    Jul 18th 2017, 7:48 PM

    If it was any other job she would be fired.. why wait for her to step down… fire her

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    Jul 18th 2017, 6:57 PM

    The Irish voters are the real culprits, voting for politicians they know are corrupt. Stop complaining and stop stealing my money in taxes.

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    Jul 18th 2017, 9:21 PM

    Quickest way to get sacked in this country is to be honest or competent.

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    Jul 18th 2017, 6:10 PM

    Only in this cesspit of a country corrupt to the core could someone like this survive so many scandals, the garda from top to bottom are absolutely rotten and not to be trusted whatsoever under any circumstances.

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    Jul 18th 2017, 7:04 PM

    not sure getting rid of her will solve anything a lot of this is deep and historic..the gardai need a long slow culture change, maybe she could begin the process as good as anyone else….

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    Jul 18th 2017, 8:14 PM

    Should have been sacked a long time ago

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    Jul 18th 2017, 7:25 PM

    Call in thr Guards..

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    Jul 18th 2017, 9:41 PM

    Only in Ireland do heads not step down for a scandal on their watch. instead they want to remain in power and do the reform themselves. Country is as corrupt as it gets.

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    Jul 18th 2017, 9:44 PM

    Catherine Murphy out on your own

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    Jul 18th 2017, 7:58 PM

    I’ve a question if this is going back 2006 2008 2011 2013 and she was commissioned in November 2014 is it an inherent problem for the previous commissioner’s ?

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    Jul 18th 2017, 10:46 PM

    Noirin: ……..To paraphrase the immortal words of Oliver Cromwell………’You have sat too long for any good you have been doing lately……Depart, I say, and let us have done with you….. In the name of God, Go’….

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    Jul 18th 2017, 8:32 PM

    It seems to be one scandal after another with the guards. The level of corruption that is going on the bullying and The lack of accountability amongst all grades of guards is sickening.
    Is it time we started to take a serious look at the caliber of people we take on as Guards. Its very rewarding knowing where my taxes are going in this pathetic country.

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    Jul 18th 2017, 7:29 PM

    This sorry little affair tells us all we need to know about our little republic of democracy ,one rule for those that have leverage on power and the other unfortunates who have to take all the shit .enda kenny and his democratic revolution ,our patriots would take the lot of them out the back and put a bullit in their hear .We demand wholesale change now .i dont blame o sullivan this is being part of the system and you must participate .

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    Jul 18th 2017, 11:20 PM

    Each scandal tarnishes the Gardaí that bit more, F.G. and her have to think about history and image of the Gardaí or does one person mean more than the organisation???

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    Jul 18th 2017, 8:46 PM

    She’s useless

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    Jul 18th 2017, 11:20 PM

    @Phil Keenan: What was her work in Dundalk???

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    Jul 18th 2017, 11:33 PM

    @Mark Walsh: the problem with that is that it’s becoming obvious to many that the DPP office has also been corrupted, so where do you go with it?

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    Jul 19th 2017, 9:15 AM

    How much does it cost the tax payer to fund her resignation?? I’m guessing it won’t be cheap. This country is shocking lately. We need complete reform.

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    Jul 19th 2017, 12:08 AM

    As I’ve said before, this is why we are a neutral country with a part-time defence force. In any other civilised western country, the army would have stepped in ten years ago and told the politicians that its time to start again. In 100 years of independence we have managed to destroy everything and torn up the constitution time and time again. I hope she is kept in place until she is given the opportunity to lie to a tribunal

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    Jul 18th 2017, 5:38 PM

    Leo, time to show you have some balls and sack her

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    Jul 18th 2017, 5:40 PM

    @Nick Allen: Leo, time to pull up your multi-coloured socks….

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    Jul 18th 2017, 5:43 PM

    @Nick Allen: Show some balls? Hahaha this just makes a further fool of him. Proclaiming full confidence before finding out the facts. Well done Leo, another huge mess for you to try and BS your way out of.

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    Mute Frank Cauldhame
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    Jul 18th 2017, 5:45 PM

    Fianna Gaol fully supported her up until a few minutes ago.

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    Jul 18th 2017, 5:46 PM

    @Dante Marquinhos:

    It takes a lot of balls to admit you got it wrong. Yes he gave her his support which at the time appeared a stupid thing to do and now it is proving to be so. If he sits on the fence he will lose credibility, if he takes it on the chin and admits he was wrong then he will gain some support for people

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    Jul 18th 2017, 5:48 PM

    @Nick Allen: Or go one better and admit that O’Sullivan was a political appointment and the Gardaí are not as independent as he likes to claim. Too much to ask maybe?

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    Jul 18th 2017, 5:50 PM

    @Dante Marquinhos: Just to add, we are stumbling from one Gardaí scandal to the next while the government have given full support and turned a blind eye, all the way to the Martin Callahan scandal. There is no coming out of this looking good, Fine Gael are to blame for allowing these scandals continue.

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    Jul 18th 2017, 5:51 PM

    @Dante Marquinhos:

    In fairness it wasn’t his appointment so he should not be party to all of the reasons behind her appointment.

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    Jul 18th 2017, 5:54 PM

    @Nick Allen: He has given full support throughout, his hands are dirty.

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    Jul 18th 2017, 5:55 PM

    @Nick Allen:

    Ah so poor Leo finds himself in a “Pontius Pilate” scenario?

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    Jul 18th 2017, 5:58 PM

    @Nick Allen: “In fairness it wasn’t his appointment”

    “Ah it wasn’t his fault, it was the guy before him”. How Fianna Fail of you LOL

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    Jul 18th 2017, 6:00 PM

    @Frank Cauldhame:

    No Pontious Pilate whatsoever. Leo needs to be seen as the person to yield the axe.

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    Jul 18th 2017, 6:22 PM

    @Dante Marquinhos:

    I don’t like FF but it’s a better excuse than defending murder with an excuse of the phone wasn’t working

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    Jul 18th 2017, 6:34 PM

    @Nick Allen: I didn’t say you liked Fine Fail, I said you sounded like them because they used the same excuses too. Secondly, your reference to Sinn Fein doesn’t apply to me as I have no connection or support them in any way or ever have.

    How is it that you Blueshirts find that concept hard to comprehend? Oh I don’t support any of the other parties neither, so now what?

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    Jul 18th 2017, 9:05 PM

    @Nick Allen: or ‘wield’ it even!

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    Jul 19th 2017, 12:20 AM

    @theupsidedown:

    Indeed Sir, you are correct

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    Jul 19th 2017, 3:40 AM

    You’d love to know what “interesting” information the garda hold on fg politicans. We won’t fire you if you say nothing and shamelessly stand your ground.

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    Jul 19th 2017, 7:27 AM

    @Roger Clarke: you wouldn’t be far wrong there Rodger make no mistake the cops in this country know more than you think and is in no way a dumb dumb police force

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    Jul 18th 2017, 11:55 PM

    The only party to get rid of 2 commissioners, guess we get what we vote for.

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    Jul 18th 2017, 11:31 PM

    she should tell the politicians that she “has a job to do” and give two fingers to them and the public just like Edna. Sure they have no power, and what useless politician would walk out of a high paying job because of “integrity” “honesty”…. pffft. Who will pay fintans private tuition fees??? Move along, more tribunals/enquirys to entertain the monkeys.

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    Jul 18th 2017, 8:41 PM

    Welllllll- maybeeeeee

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    Jul 18th 2017, 9:07 PM

    Do we not believe any more in heaven and hell what’s happening in this country one scandal after another I am mesmerised with all of this or am I a fool is every one at it telling lies and cheating.

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    Jul 18th 2017, 6:29 PM

    Alan Kelly spouting off again on the 6/1. What a mouth, and he just scraped in after his “wonderful” tenure in Government. A bit of an idiot alright.

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    Jul 18th 2017, 11:58 PM

    The same auld warriors are out again for Noirin, you can always depend on SF, and the other renegades to come out guns blazing, good for nothing louts, that’s what they are . Stick tight FG, stand firm FF now when you are needed, against the looney left ant that clown Kelly from Labour. Let’s back Law and Order now and put down this rebellion for good.

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    Jul 19th 2017, 10:05 AM

    @Eugene Comaskey: well said. Stay put noirin. AK lucky to be elected, now judge and wannabe executioner. Ffs.

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    Jul 19th 2017, 10:14 AM

    @Eugene Comaskey: I read an interesting article yesterday about Fianna Fail covering up for pedophile Bill Kenneally in Waterford.

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    Jul 19th 2017, 4:02 PM

    It needed a fresh broom after Callinan left, an outsider. Noirin was cut from the same cloth as Callinan and needed to really show from the onset that she was going to run a different show. Instead it appears to be business as usual and scandal after scandal. They’re not even competent at being incompetent. They line up behind positions that are later proven to be untrue and show no remorse at having done so – think McCabe with his hidden tape-recorder which contradicted what they were alleging or the Jobstown video evidence debacle but it stretches back much further than that to the McBrearty affair and before.

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    Jul 18th 2017, 8:41 PM

    Welllllll- maybeeeeee

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    Jul 18th 2017, 10:09 PM

    As I understand it the Commissioner is only just over two years into a seven year contract. So unless she has broken the law if she is sacked will she not be able to sue for unfair dismissal? Who would pick up that tab folks? Would it be the TD’s calling for her head or us muggings the poor old taxpayer? Don’t take too long mulling that one over people!!!

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    Jul 18th 2017, 6:14 PM

    It’s only now they’re calling for her to go. What a shower of useless parasites.

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    Jul 18th 2017, 7:49 PM

    It’s time for a lot of our gombeen idiot politicians to go too.

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    Jul 19th 2017, 4:29 PM

    For an organisation with such experience in covering-up, they’re not very good at it.

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    Jul 19th 2017, 1:22 PM

    I hope new legislation is introduced to delete old minor convictions as a result of all controversies to restore public confidence in the guards.

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    Mute Adrian
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    Jul 18th 2017, 8:15 PM

    Looks very like a lynching mob to me!

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    Jul 19th 2017, 1:54 PM

    This is hilarious, we believe you have been in the wrong presiding over scandal after scandal so if you wouldn’t mind, only if you feel like it, have a lollipop and ice cream first, then if you still feel like staying that’s grand but maybe going is the best thing. She should be fired, pensionless and thrown in jail for good measure, the pussy footing around this subject is ridiculous.

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    Jul 19th 2017, 9:52 AM

    Don’t let her step down, sack her!

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