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A woman is led away for questioning as part of Operation Quest in Belfast. Julien Behal/PA Wire

Over 100 properties searched in joint Garda and PSNI anti-prostitution operation

‘Operation Quest’ is being coordinated on both sides of the border to tackle organised prostitution and brothel-keeping.

DOZENS OF PROPERTIES have been searched as part of a coordinated cross-border operation carried out by gardaí and the PSNI targeting prostitution.

‘Operation Quest’ focuses on securing convictions against people involved in organised prostitution, brothel keeping, and associated offences including money laundering.

Over 100 premises were searched in the Republic yesterday and three people were arrested. A man in his 40s and a woman in her 20s are being held under Section 4 of the Criminal Justice Act at Dundrum Garda Station, while a second woman aged in her 20s is being held at Store Street Garda Station under the same section of the Act.

Documents, cash, computers and mobile phones were also seized during the operation.

Gardaí say that those involved in investigating these crimes are given specific training and liaise closely with support groups who work in this area. Garda police is to treat women involved in the operation as witnesses or victims unless significant evidence comes to light which suggests their direct involvement in organising prostitution or brothels.

Over 200 gardaí from around the state, including members of the Organised Crime Unit, were involved in the operation in the Republic of Ireland.

In Northern Ireland, PSNI officers visited more than 20 addresses across the six counties and say they believe that ten of them were being used for prostitution.

Under ‘Operation Quest’, five people have been arrested in Northern Ireland and three suspected victims of human trafficking have been located by the PSNI. Officers also say that a “significant number” of documents, phones, computers and cash have been seized as part of the operation.

Detective Superintendent Philip Marshall who is heading the PSNI operation said that the scale of the joint operation shows “the extent of the problem on the island of Ireland”.

“Our enquiries have established that prostitution was being organised on a cross-border basis so we have adopted a cross-border approach to tackle those organised criminals who are intent on making profits from vulnerable members of society,” Marshall said in a statement.

“Police officers, and colleagues in a number of partner agencies, will also work to gather information and evidence in relation to human trafficking, given the exploitation of vulnerable individuals within the so-called sex industry.”

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    Mute Jackie Crowe
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    May 30th 2012, 12:20 AM

    dont know why they dont make it legal, they are in every town in ireland now, we have 2 or 3 places in tralee, and the men are paying, usually older men , and the girls are all non nationals and happy at what they do, they drive fancy cars, dress well, under dress for daytime attire, but do no harm to no one,,, if it was legalised i feel they would be all above board, have regular doctor visits and not pass infections, they are only women doing the oldest profession in the world, and should be looked up to for looking after some of the men that enter their buildings, if they raided the drug houses that would be more like it, yes we have those in our town to,,, think they are worse as its kids hanging out, the weed stuff is sold by irish lads, and heroin and stronger by non nationals again,,, but they make good money as they can shop in boutiques and i cant, wish i could be dishonest and have a few more euro , but honesty does not pay,, ask our tds,,, they are def not honest,

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    Mute Briain O'Dochartaigh
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    May 30th 2012, 12:30 AM

    Well said jackie

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    Mute Kelly O'Brien
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    May 30th 2012, 12:40 AM

    This comment is outrageous, unbalanced and extremely offense imho. Dignifying prostitution as work doesn’t dignify the women, it simply dignifies the sex industry. Contrary to your belief, legalisation would not control the sex industry. It would expand it. Prostitution would become an accepted sideline of casinos, massage parlours, clubs and pubs. Women and their rights would be set back decades – the young men of this country would be encouraged to see women as mere objects.

    With the advent of legalization in countries that have decriminalized the sex industry, many men who would not risk buying women for sex now see prostitution as acceptable. When the legal barriers disappear, so too do the social and ethical barriers to treating women as sexual commodities. Legalization of prostitution sends the message to new generations of men and boys that women are sexual commodities and that prostitution is harmless fun.

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    Mute Andrew Eager
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    May 30th 2012, 3:06 AM

    Am always intrigued by the men and women who advocate for the legalization of prostitution – they in the main wouldn’t do it themselves or like their wives, daughters or sisters doing it, but apparently the same doesn’t apply for somebody else’s wife, daughter or sister. The day I see a husband, father and brother being pleased that their family members are on the game is the day I might consider rethinking my position on the issue – that prostitution is the same as all crimes against a person – they happen every day, but legalizing them isn’t going to make things any better for anyone other than the perpetrator.

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    Mute Gis Bayertz
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    May 30th 2012, 5:30 AM

    Completely agree Jackie

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    May 30th 2012, 7:30 AM

    @Jackie
    I didn’t realise the Limerick gangs were classed as ‘non-nationals’ when it comes to selling heroin and other hard drugs in Tralee…

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    May 30th 2012, 9:11 AM

    That was in reply to Andrew.

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    May 30th 2012, 9:48 AM

    @ Jackie: they’re still ‘working’ here illegally. so well they can swan around with their temporary materialistic gains through tax evasion. they may well enjoy it now but in later life the vast majority develop serious health and social problems. it damages not just themselves but the clients mindset as well. all addictions catch up with you eventually.

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    Mute Eileen Lang
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    May 30th 2012, 5:04 PM

    Andrew, though I hate sex work,. I have been a sex worker, and may have to be again.

    All I advocate for is for women to be given the right to make their own, individual choices, related to their own lives and situations, about sex work as the intelligent adults they are.

    Coercing a woman *out* of sex work is just as bad as coercing her into it, and in a recession as deep as this may yet become could even be far worse.

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    May 30th 2012, 5:07 PM

    Johnny, I am not too sure about women who proclaim that they know more about how sex work will affect other women than those other women do for themselves, but I am fairly certain a man hasn’t got a clue.

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    May 30th 2012, 7:25 PM

    To be clear Eileen, I don’t think men should be prostitutes either, so this is not some battle in a gender war, at least from my perspective. Some of us believe that humans have an intrinsic worth and dignity that cannot and should not be violated by people abusing others’ economic imperatives. It’s one of the reasons why I’m happy to pay tax into a social welfare system I have fortunately not needed to use for 20 years.

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    May 31st 2012, 11:19 AM

    Andrew, I did not get the impression that you see this as a gender issue at all, however some of us believe that humans have an intrinsic worth and dignity that means they should be left to make up their own minds about how to address their economic imperatives, as well as minor details like whether they would rather survive and develop – or remain inviolate in terms of somebody else’s opinion and belief system. Simple as that.

    During the boom we forgot just how bad an “economic imperative” can be, but look at Greece, right now, people are taking their lives or signing their children intro car rather than live by rummaging in bins, homeless.

    Do not delude yourself, as robust and compassionate as the Irish welfare system is, that can happen here, at least to some people, and may already have done so. It is an insult to human dignity to aspire to impose the moral and ideological preferences of other, more fortunate people in the face of that calibre of economic imperative.

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    May 30th 2012, 1:08 AM

    How ignorant are some of u. Do u know that thousands of young women and teenage girls are forced into prostitution every year against their own will some threatened and beaten on a continual basis to keep their mouths shout and you think it is a waste of tax payers money!!!!

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    May 30th 2012, 9:43 AM

    Dearbhla, the violence comes with the criminal underworld involvement and the criminal underworld involvement comes with it not being legalised. If anything should remain illegal, it is the pimping and human trafficking that are the primary causes of such violence.

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    May 30th 2012, 10:02 AM

    There is an enormous difference between adult prostitution and child prostitution. I condemn child prostitution and favour chemical castration for those who use them. The separate issue of what consenting adults get up to is their own business. The fact that some women are forced into prostitution does not mean all are. Also, the role of the Catholic religious orders on the board of Ruhama e.g. Sisters of Charity/Mercy suggests an agenda other than simply a human rights one. Given the role of such of these orders in ther Magdalene Launderies it’s a bit much for them to pose as defenders of human rights.

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    May 30th 2012, 11:43 AM

    Tom, where are you getting your figures from? Prostitution is out in the open in Amsterdam but many of the women are trafficked there.. I’d guess that most people don’t realise that though and believe that Holland is full of happy hookers and wouldn’t it be great if all of our hookers were happy too.

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    May 30th 2012, 5:27 PM

    Dearbla…there are at least 1000 sex workers in Ireland, certainly no more than 2500, which doesn’t really allow for “thousands” per annum. I have spent much of the past 5 months trying to find some kind of line on a sex worker who has been trafficked and coerced, but, so far, even with access to many areas within the sex industry a journalist could not even dream of, I cannot find a single coerced sex worker.

    The results of yesterday’s raids, where not ONE SINGLE SUSPECTED VICTIM OF TRAFFICKING was found in the south tend to support that.

    Throwing money at fruitless operations against a heavily hyped fiction like that most certainly *IS* a waste of taxpayers money.

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    May 31st 2012, 11:13 AM

    There were suspected victims of trafficking found in the North, which you’re ignoring. You know, I am incredibly sympathetic to pro-legalisation arguments, but denying that any trafficking or exploitation exists turns people away from your arguments.

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    May 31st 2012, 11:54 AM

    Well I cannot help that Nick…the trouble with being a truthful person, as I am, is that you are stuck with the one version of the facts whether it is deemed the most convincing story or not.

    Only a purveyor of high grade b*l*xology is in a position to spin what they say to accord with what people most want to believe.

    Even so, given the breadth of our definition of trafficking, until it is subject to some case precedents, it is pretty extraordinary that they did not find even one *suspected* victim of trafficking, even if only on a technicality.

    In all the tears I have been aware of the sex industry, and that goes back a very long time, I have never, personally, seen a shred of evidence to support the existance of trafficking at all let alone in any widespead way.

    I know what you are going to say, but it has always been my firm belief that “there is nothing new under the sun” and if there *WERE* it probably wouldn’t be in the sex industry. If trafficking really occurs as it is hyped there should have been, if not the same thing, then a similar equivalent all along and there was not.

    However, I have tried everything I can think of to get a line on a bona fide victim of trafficking – to no avail. But I have come across any number of women bringing themselves into Ireland from abroad to work for short periods.

    As far as the North of Ireland is concerned. The last conviction I am aware of for *trafficking* was for arranging flights and accommodation at the request of the ladies in question, the judge even specified that no coercion was involved, so pardon me if I do not see 3 *suspected* victims of trafficking in NI as a good enough reason to get hot under the collar, particularly with a campaign around that insists most (up to 97%) sex workers in Ireland are trafficked and coerced without doing them the courtesy of checking that with any of them first, or listening to their objections afterwards.

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    May 30th 2012, 12:54 AM

    Consenting adults should be left alone by the State, whether money is involved or not. This is a waste of taxpayer’s money.

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    May 30th 2012, 7:51 AM

    They left the grown up bankers to do their own thing… It didn’t work out to well! I don’t think that’s a valid justification for legalising it!

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    May 30th 2012, 9:53 AM

    @ Irish: whether tax is paid or not? oh ok leave them alone

    just cos he/she is a prostitute doesn’t always mean they’re willingly consenting to paid sex, some are forced into it.

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    May 30th 2012, 9:58 AM

    Yes I do believe the industry should be taxed, and the revenues used to promote education to combat the spread of STDs.

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    May 30th 2012, 11:46 AM

    A lot of these women were identified as survivors of trafficking. People who support legalisation of prostitution make decent points, but I don’t think anyone should be pro legalisation in this specific instance.

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    May 30th 2012, 5:13 PM

    370 Officers were deployed in 140 raids during the course of which two women were arrested and charged in Belfast with keeping a brothel, with the rider that there was no suspicion they were involved in trafficking at all. Six other people have been charged with details, as yet, unavailable. 3 women in the north of Ireland are *suspected* to have been trafficked, there are none in the south at all.

    That really isn’t my idea of a lot of people being identified as survivors of trafficking.

    Consenting adults really should be left in peace to make their own choices.

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    May 31st 2012, 11:11 AM

    “Under ‘Operation Quest’, five people have been arrested in Northern Ireland and three suspected victims of human trafficking have been located by the PSNI.” – Funny, I would consider suspected victims of human trafficking to be victims of human trafficking.

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    May 31st 2012, 11:22 AM

    Why Nick?

    Despite the staggering breadth of our current legal definition of trafficking, any crime must be proved before it ceases to be an allegation or suspicion… that is an integral part of our judicial system.

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    May 30th 2012, 1:06 AM

    @Kelly, thank god u commented otherwise I would have spent half the night ranting – what an utterly mindless comment jackie! its disgraceful how your perception is so far removed from reality. please research the topic using key words like sex trafficking and survivors of prostitution, looking out your bedroom window in tralee does not suffice!

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    May 30th 2012, 2:06 AM

    I do not agree with prostitution but I certainly don’t agree with human trafficking, introducing legislation for the legalization of prostitution goes a long way to stop it from happening. legalizing does not encourage prostitution when its regulated but it does stop trafficking and the trade will continue to boom with both consenting and forced prostitutes “working”. this isn’t an argument about the perception of women but the preservation of innocence

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    May 30th 2012, 5:21 PM

    Judith, I am afraid you will learn little or nothing about reality by googling “key words like sex trafficking and survivors of prostitution” as so much of the former is very misleading, calculated propaganda, aimed at furthering the agenda of a few fanatical and/or exploitative individuals and organisations internationally and “survivors of prostitution” are often fictions riding a new ideological fad in search of fame and fortune.

    I was a sex worker, I know.

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    May 30th 2012, 6:53 PM

    Eileen, i respect your opinion and experience but it is one side of the coin – I will not ignore or justify the negative side others have experienced just because your experience was a healthy one.

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    May 31st 2012, 11:35 AM

    That is where assumption gets you into trouble Judith…because I hated sex work…but it was my only realistic survival option for some time, so I thank heaven it was available to me, and fight for it to remain available to anyone else like me, so that they too get a chance to stay alive and find some kind of life.

    I have also, lately had to accept that my, extremely negative, reaction to sex work was just that – my reaction. Not everybody feels the same way, and I am not entitled to inform intelligent women that they do not know themselves or how they feel just because I felt differently.

    Despite my negative reaction to sex work, I have not experienced and of the abuse, nor suffered any of the after effects these “online survivors” go on about in more than 20 years, and I have never met another sex worker or former sex worker who has suffered them either…so they mustn’t be very widespread or representative.

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    May 30th 2012, 12:57 AM

    I hope they arrested the customers as well, If there was no perverts there would be no brothels.

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    May 30th 2012, 8:38 AM

    There are no ‘perverts’ in Ireland.Just people suffering from years of Catholic guilt.

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    May 30th 2012, 11:48 AM

    I think people having sex with trafficked miserable women certainly have issues.

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    May 30th 2012, 1:24 AM

    Legalise prostitution, instead of wasting money investigating it, the state could make money by taxing it, and taxing the earnings of the people involved. It does not objectify women, it does not make us men see them as mere commodities, if 2 consenting adults are willing to engage in sexual activity and if one is willing tonpay for it and the other is willing to accept payment then I cannot see what the problem is. It would be worth millions to the state. The legal brothels would be able to finger and pin-point the illegal ones, it would cut down on human trafficking in this country because again, the legal brothels would be able to help with investigations, it would save on time snd money being wasted on prosecuting someone of sound mind for committing an offence, then go before the courts, then possibly be sent to prison in our already over-crowded prisons. If they legalised it, then maybe they could reduce the amount of tax we pay on fuel, as they could make that money elsewhere. It would be nothing but a good thing for this state, but guaranteed it will not happen in my lifetime, because of the backwards thinking government that we have running this country and the funny thing about that is, I would vote for them next time around because the other parties in this state are nothing but criminals which has been proved by all the millions we wasted on the findings of countless tribunals. And to top it all off, would I use the services of a prostitute? no, but I am an open-minded person, and feel adults should be allowed make their own decisions with regards to sex.

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    May 30th 2012, 2:48 AM

    All I see here is a selfish mentalility.

    Tax the prostitutes, make millions for the state, lower my taxes as a result.

    Perhaps you should take the time to research prostitution and the places where it has already been legalised. Then come back and comment. Your notion of a prostitute and a cistomer both being consenting adults is a pipe dream.

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    May 30th 2012, 5:32 PM

    Kelly, I have researched all those things in great depth from real academic sources, not just anyone who wants to make a name for themself online, or biased NGOs in search of continued funding, and, as a result, can confirm that Brian is largely correct and you honestly do not seem to know very much about the reality of sex work at all. Not your fault, publicly funded NGOs have no right to misrepresent things like that, but they do.

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    May 30th 2012, 1:26 AM

    “Garda police is to treat women involved in the operation as witnesses…” The wording of this sentence is one of the more shocking things in this article…

    Not as shocking as the fact that only 3 arrests from the over 100 premises searched in the 26 counties.

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    May 30th 2012, 8:10 AM

    Think they meant “Garda policy” so it’s spelling, as usual on here, that’s letting it down.

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    May 30th 2012, 1:34 AM

    trafficking is an easy way of being kept in this country, excuse, i am sorry, each day in our town they are out flaunting, they take in the oldest dirtiest men that would not get it anywhere else only to pay, i am sorry but these are legit prostitutes who flaunt it, prostitution is legal in alot of countries and would stop the trafficking if they all had to pay tax, we do need to get ahead of problems and not just shut doors on them, prostitution has been in ireland for ever, so make it legal for gods sake, you can go to so many countries and see it work, you can go to others where it is illegal and see the crap that follows it, if a man wants sex let him pay, if a woman wants it let him pay,,, his going to pay anyway,, if there were laws put in they would not have trafficking and thats the truth, go to any country its legal and they are treated like any other tax payer, it is a profession that many of us women could not do, as in other professions, sorry but i think we help the trafficking problem by looking at it from behind closed doors, and think the government may like getting more tax, and they make a lot of money, and dont pay tax, hmmm think i could change my profession,,,

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    May 30th 2012, 2:41 AM

    I don’t think you’ve thought through the consequences of legalizing pimps as legitimate sex entrepreneurs or third party businessmen, or the fact that men who buy women for sexual activity are now accepted as legitimate consumers of sex.

    Legalized or decriminalized prostitution industries are one of the root causes of sex trafficking. One argument for legalizing prostitution in the Netherlands was that legalization would help end the exploitation of desperate immigrant women trafficked for prostitution.

    In 2000, the Dutch government sought and received a judgment from the European Court recognizing prostitution as an economic activity, thus enabling women from the EU and former Soviet bloc countries to obtain working permits as sex workers in the Dutch sex industry.

    Over the last decade, as pimping became legalized and then brothels decriminalized in the Netherlands, the sex industry expanded 25 percent. At any hour of the day, women of all ages and races, dressed in hardly anything, are put on display in the notorious windows of Dutch brothels and sex clubs and offered for sale for male consumption. Is this the kind of environment we want our children growing up in? Do we really want to say that “yes, women can be bought and sold”, “yes, women exist only for male gratification”, “yes, it’s ok to pay for sex”??

    In the Netherlands, women in prostitution point out that legalization or decriminalization of the sex industry cannot erase the stigma of prostitution but, instead, makes women more vulnerable to abuse because they must register and lose anonymity. Thus, the majority of women in prostitution still choose to operate illegally and underground. Members of Parliament who originally supported the legalization of brothels on the grounds that this would liberate women are now seeing that legalization actually reinforces the oppression of women.

    Legalisation of prostitution is unacceptable. I don’t think it’s ok for a body to be bought and sold.

    Most women in prostitution did not make a rational choice to enter prostitution. They did not sit down one day and decide that they wanted to be prostitutes. Rather, such choicesare better termed survival strategies. Rather than consent, a prostituted woman more accurately complies to the only options available to her.

    When a woman remains in an abusive relationship with a partner who batters her, or even when she defends his actions, concerned people don’t say she is there voluntarily. They recognize the complexity of her compliance. Like battered women, women in prostitution often deny their abuse if provided with no meaningful alternatives. Rather than accept this horrendous practice, we should be behind those snuffing it out. If we start making excuses such as ‘but it will generate revenue for the country thus lowering MY taxes” then we’re no better than pimps ourselves. It’s a very selfish mentality and one I certaintly wouldn’t be comfortable with.

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    May 30th 2012, 3:15 AM

    So if you’re only thinking of going on the game Jackie, then we can take it you haven’t done so yet. I’d be intrigued as to why this is the case, if you think it’s such a delightful career move.

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    May 30th 2012, 9:48 AM

    @Kelly

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    May 30th 2012, 9:56 AM

    @ Kelly: Very well said, a smart lady!

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    May 30th 2012, 6:53 AM

    Surely there are women/men who will have sex for money of their own free will it would be naive to think otherwise. Why should these people be considers criminals? If you feel a woman has the right to an abortion spouting “it’s her body its her right” is this right some how suspended because sex and money are involved? This is not a question of morality its a question of choice. If prostitute were legal and regulated correctly people would chose to be or not to be. How ever for it to work I think it would have to be legal everywhere in the EU. A good comparison is the porn industry in the US, pre-legalization it was controlled by the mafia, people were forced into ect…. now its a legitimate industry, no sex slave’s, they get regular health checks ect

    Also not all people who go to prostitutes are perv’s, I was a heart wrenching doc on 4OD about 25 yr old disable guy who’s big brother takes him to Amsterdam once a year on his birthday. At the end I thought “you know what there is some honor in being a prostitute she give this poor crippled guy a fundamental human experience that he would other wise never have had”.

    Bottom Line: As long as men have money and women have vagina’s prostitution will continue. With this knowledge as yourself which is the safer option for the prostitute a Legal, Regulated Market or a Black Market?

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    May 30th 2012, 6:56 AM

    I saw* not I was…. Freudian lol

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    May 30th 2012, 7:18 AM

    Not all sex-workers are victims, not all sex workers are women, not all sex-workers sleep with any man that phones them, the majority in ireland have dignity, are independent and choose there clients at there discretion and earn up to the average industrial wage working 3-4 hours a week, and they are organized,
    they have a website in ireland and every other country on the planet, you people most of you don’t know what you are talking about, do some research seriously, there is a difference between a sex worker and a trafficked sex slave.

    http://www.turnoffthebluelight.ie/

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    May 30th 2012, 2:54 AM

    I think legalizing is in essence normalising it, no they dont sit at home dreaming of doing it but may consider it as an easy option for quick money yes, do u not see the increase in young women using their bodies to make money? webcam, call centres, glamour modelling are all becoming more normalized, referencing recent article regarding ex nuts editor. this is already influencing young people, there is a stigma attached to drugs also which does not stop people,

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    May 30th 2012, 3:10 AM

    Most people over a certain age have tried drugs at one point in their lives so it in no way compares to the stigma of being a prostitute or stripper.

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    May 30th 2012, 3:33 AM

    so what your saying is drugs arent the same because most habe tried it so when brothels are legalized and in a couple of years say when most have tried them then is my point valid, do u think? it will be normalized therefore a more acceptable profession

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    May 30th 2012, 3:44 AM

    Judith, drugs are not legal.

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    May 30th 2012, 4:01 AM

    There are two sides to coin when it comes to the legalisation and the criminalisation of prostitution. If you heavily criminalise prostitution, it pushes it deeper under ground and when it’s at that level, the sexual exploitation of women becomes far greater and dangerous for the women involved. There is no simple answer to this, but while I don’t advocate prostitution, I’d rather see it legalised and heavily regulated than allow it go completely underground. It is incredibly naive to think the criminalisation of prostitution will make it go away.

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    May 30th 2012, 10:10 AM

    the more dangerous it becomes the less attractive it becomes, so all the doo gooder hoors can start to live a normal working life or is that too hard to grasp? Forget the bmw, the €300 per month cosmetics for the moment, just be normal and leave that to the celebrities and super models who work a normal life. get it?

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    May 30th 2012, 11:51 AM

    Johnny, I think you’re incredibly ignorant as to what the lives of prostitutes actually entails. I myself am not pro legalisation (although there are some really good arguments to be made in favour, honestly), but I think we can all agree on the need to help women who feel exploited.

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    May 30th 2012, 1:33 PM

    @johnny I’m not really sure what point your making? Alot of people dont know this but Presently in ireland, it is not illegal for a single prostitute to operate in his/her own private dwelling. The law is aimed at brothel keeping which involves two or more in the same premises or where a third party makes money from the exploitation of it. I just think legalisation has to be thoroughly explored and discussed as a viable option to dealing with this. We can’t simply heavily criminalise it, put our heads in the sand and believe it will go away! It will never go away, we live in a world that is far from perfect

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    May 30th 2012, 1:52 AM

    they normally dont arrest the prostitute, its the paying thats illegal and the client pays, thats why the lady in the article is a witness, they know the laws better than the police, so you better keep your money in your pocket,,

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    May 30th 2012, 2:15 AM

    tell me would u be happy if ur daughter just finished leaving cert came hone and said “mam delighted just got a great full job will pay for my college in no time, I make 1000e a week!” u say “wow thats brilliant what is it?” daughter replies “I have sex with different men throughout my shift (dirty old men that cant get it anywhere else as u put it yourself jackie) ” this is way forward for Ireland alright legalize prostitution surely…. oh yes they also had sex with young boys back in Roman times also, does that make it ok now too??!

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    May 30th 2012, 2:28 AM

    Judith, do you really think there is many girls sitting around thinking if only prostitution was legal they would prostitute themselves? Like stripping there is a social stigma attached to it that no matter if it is legalized it would not be seen as a regular type job. I probably would never use a prostitute whether it was legal or not but I have no problem with two consenting adults doing what they want in private.

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    May 30th 2012, 2:44 AM

    @rdx – you are putting forward a preconception that it will ONLY be two consenting adults. More often than not, this is not the case. Minors get wrapped up in prostitution as do unwilling participants.

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    May 30th 2012, 3:03 AM

    Kelly, don’t try to interpret what you think I mean because what I said had nothing to do with minors or vunerable people getting taken advantage of. I do not condone taking advantage of minors or vulnerable people but if that is the criteria for determining what should be illegal then there is many other products/services/jobs that should be made illegal.

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    May 30th 2012, 7:31 AM

    Not all sex-workers are victims, not all sex workers are women, not all sex-workers sleep with any man that phones them, the majority in ireland have dignity, are independent and choose there clients at there discretion and earn up to the average industrial wage working 3-4 hours a week, and they are organized,
    they have a website in ireland and every other country on the planet, you people most of you don’t know what you are talking about, do some research seriously, there is a difference between a sex worker and a trafficked sex slave.
    http://www.turnoffthebluelight.ie/

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    May 30th 2012, 8:01 AM

    Well said Sarah. Done a little research into this after the excellent RTE documentary. There were 682 advertising services on one night. 16 were male. The garda had asked me to keep an eye on a brothel near my place of work. The women arrived on a weekly basis. I spoke with some of them as they came in to dine. They all seemed very happy with the money they make and said they were in control. It’s not up to do gooders to impose there morality on others. When the Garda closed it down the two women arrested had 5700 in cash. It was given back to them provided they returned to Spain. From the evidence I have seen, there is very little if any trafficking in Ireland. Once it’s a voluntary decision between two adults it should be nobody else’s business. Those of you who keeping posting here obviously have a problem accepting other people have different opinions.

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    May 30th 2012, 8:09 AM

    http://www.stop-the-lights.com/
    another sex-worker run site supporting the post i made above,

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    May 30th 2012, 10:04 AM

    and getting dole?

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    May 30th 2012, 9:38 AM

    If only they were as proactive about routing out the organised criminality in the financial sector…

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    May 30th 2012, 8:08 AM

    Just did a quick search. There are currently 605 women, 28 men, 38 transgender, 30 transvestites and 5 duos advertising there services online.

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    May 30th 2012, 9:50 AM

    Good work….keep it up!

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    May 30th 2012, 9:48 AM

    Someone people here think we are selfish for wanting it legalised, in fact it is quiet the opposite, I mentioned fuel prices because they are at the forefront of everyone’s mind at the mo. I really don’t care what the state would do with the revenue from prostitution, they could put it back into social services which I have no need for or give it to Crumlin hospital, which I hope I never have to use. Can ye people not open yere eyes and open yere minds,,prostitution is going to go on whether ye like it or not, why not legalise it. I have yet to see one comment here that would make me think otherwise. I understand there are people forced into it, trafficked into this country for it, and I would be sensitive to these peoples stories, but having prostitution illegal will never help these people,

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    May 30th 2012, 6:33 PM

    Brian, you are just posting common sense. :o)

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    May 30th 2012, 6:41 PM

    It would seem that reports of 140 “brothel raids” is much exaggerated as reports are coming in that, in many cases these were, in fact, just courteous welfare visits by the police to individual sex workers.

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    May 30th 2012, 11:14 AM

    Sweden – works , Germany (legal) doesn’t work. Please read
    http://www.prostitutionresearch.com/swedish.html

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    May 30th 2012, 8:26 AM

    Have to agree with jackie,the sex industry is booming in Tralee, every hotel has it’s regular hookers.
    And they all seem to love their work,big cars and designer clothes,many are mothers and collect lone parents payments also.

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    May 30th 2012, 10:02 AM

    collecting lone parents hahahahaha that is a problem indeed. kick them out and stay out. i’ve zero sympathy for these people coming in here, we’ve our own messers to deal with it which is enough thanks very much. god help the children.

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    May 30th 2012, 6:31 PM

    Really Mairead? And I suppose they tell you all about their big cars and claiming lone parents when you join them for morning coffee?

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    May 30th 2012, 3:36 PM

    Couple of points to note
    Over 100 raids and only 8 arrests
    That seems abit off
    I assume most properties were empty which makes you wonder what the point was.

    Of those arrested 7 were women aged in their 20′s
    I dont think I am going out on a limb in saying they are probley sex workers
    Ineed 3 have already been prosecuted as such in Northern ireland
    How that fits with the comment

    Garda police is to treat women involved in the operation as witnesses or victims unless significant evidence comes to light which suggests their direct involvement in organising prostitution or brothels.

    At kelly: You said
    With legalisation “Women and their rights would be set back decades ”

    One word for you Germany
    They have a female PM (you may have heard of her) who was elected in a country with legalised prostitution and with no gender quotas
    Also Australia had a female PM

    New Nealand also finishes above ireland in gender equality league tables

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