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PRO-LIFE PROTESTERS criticised for their recent demonstration outside the National Maternity Hospital are planning to return this Saturday.
The protest last Saturday was organised by Our Lady of Lourdes Protectors group. A member of the group, Charles Byrne, said they hold a demonstration every week.
A photograph showing protesters outside the hospital in Dublin city centre with three white child-size coffins drew heavy criticism on Twitter and on RTÉ One’s Liveline today.
“We believe that abortion is a sin and therefore requires public reparation,” Byrne told TheJournal.ie.
“It’s a stark message. We believe that 5,000 innocent human beings killed by the law so far is unacceptable,” said Byrne.
This figure is based on estimations from the START group, which represents around 250 medical professionals involved in abortion provision. They said its members estimate they are carrying out between 800 and 900 terminations a month.
These figures are unverified. No official figures have been released and none are due to be released until early next year.”
Catholic Arena / TwitterThe weekly peaceful vigil at Holles Street Maternity Hospital continued yesterday
— Catholic Arena (@CatholicArena) July 7, 2019
On this occassion
3 small baby sized coffins were placed on the ground to represent the thousands of babies denied the right to life in Ireland since January 1st#prolife #rallyforlife pic.twitter.com/nQiaB8B1C5
Speaking on Liveline, a patient at the National Maternity Hospital called Lindsey described seeing such protests as “horrific”.
“That’s not something you want to walk out of the hospital and see,” said Lindsey.
“Most women that do go through the loss of a baby, they’re leaving the hospital empty handed.”
Labour Senator Ivana Bacik said today in a statement that Minister Harris needs to tackle the issue of exclusion zones.
“The wide reporting of the use of insensitive props at a protest outside Holles Street recently validates calls for exclusion zones,” Senator Bacik said.
“We must pass laws as soon as possible to prevent the intimidation and obstruction of women in a crisis pregnancy who seek to access legal services.”
Minister for Health Simon Harris said this demonstration showed disregard for women availing of services at the hospital.
“Their so called ‘protest’ is grossly insensitive to women who may be in hospital after suffering a miscarriage or women who are receiving the devastating diagnosis of a fatal foetal abnormality,” the Minister told independent.ie.
Many people from both pro-choice and pro-life viewpoints spoke out against the vigil.
Eilis Mulroy from the Pro-Life Campaign said the PLC was not involved with the event outside the maternity hospital, but that she has concerns over exclusion zones.
“Democracy cannot function if in different areas of life we prohibit our opponents from protesting just because we don’t like their viewpoint or approach,” said Mulroy.
“The government are selectively seizing on a small number of incidents to justify the introduction of exclusion zones here. It is a totally disproportionate response to the reality of what is happening on the ground and is an attack of freedom of speech and assembly.”
The demonstration was not linked to the recent Rally for Life which also took place in Dublin last Saturday.
Despite the media attention and criticism of the group’s actions, Byrne said they are still planning to hold their next demonstration this Saturday outside the hospital. He estimated that 60 people attended last Saturday’s ‘Rosary of Reparation’.
Byrne previously tried to contend the result of the Eighth Amendment referendum in 2018 in the High Court.
The Department of Health and the National Maternity Hospital did not respond in time for comment before publication.
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I am largely prolife but I utterly condemn these actions.
@Daniel Dunne: for anyone who wants to know what Christian religious extremists look like in Ireland… It’s these clowns. They are no better than the vile Westboro Baptist Church
@Peter Cavey: Not true, They are not killing others in the name of their religion. They are disrespectful at most. I wouldn’t call them extremists
@Charles McGuire: using baby coffins as political props in front of actual parents who have to take deceased children past these doors. There are the most horrendously, nasty, extreme variant of religious culture and this is possibly the only case if legal avenues are not been followed up, where pacifism should be thrown out.
@Charles McGuire: The Westboro Baptist Church also don’t kill in the name of their religion. The comparison is apt.
@Charles McGuire: They are the Types that drive people to Despair, and in turn to desperate methods.!!
This is disgraceful this was voted on they should standout the Dail Eireann if they want to protest.
@Daniel Dunne: no you are not…
@Peter Cavey: we have our own Altar Rail Biters here , won’t change a thing.
@The Risen: sad person
@Peter Cavey: but it’s ok for unwashed repealers to stand outside the rotunda doing basically the same today? Pathetic, its nothing about religion and everything about a heartbeat….
@dindo nÜfin: Nice racist handle there, and I see you’re fond of the old homophobia too https://twitter.com/fugsticks/status/1148624693722845185?s=20
@Graham Wilson: Nice catch!
@The Risen: Bigots are easy to scoop up in the fishing net!
@Graham Wilson: Lord that twitter account is just a total regurgitation of white ethno-nationalist bile… I see GO’D features prominently too… Makes me wanna vomit.
@dindo nÜfin: I see that your grammar is as useless as your contribution.
@dindo nÜfin: LOL! You’re the one who spends his life on Twitter bawling his eyes out!
@Daniel Dunne: there should be a counter protest where loads of people just turn up and mingle into the crowd so the coffins can’t be seen. Maybe sing some nice songs to serenade the women using holles street and drown out any of this nonsense
@Motherofthree: You’re on to something there! Perhaps a choir! Or they could be surrounded by large photos of clergy abusing children?
@Peter Cavey: what has religion got to do with this
@RM: You asked the exact same question on another article about NI abortion laws. Firstly lets look at the clues shall we. ‘Our Lady of Lourdes Protectors group’, ‘Rosary of Reparation’ people on their knees praying. But you are right of course, religion has got nothing to do with this, they just can’t help themselves.
@RM: everything
@dindo nÜfin: Spot on buddy, protesting was fine for the repealers but people who dont want baby blood spilt are evil religious nuts. Go figure
@Ravensburger: why though? I’m not religious in any way at all but I am all for protecting the unborn. I also delightfully voted yes on the marriage referendum. Where do I fit in your agenda?
@A Cos: I heard a joke the other day. “What did the extremist Irish Catholic Pro-Lifer say in a debate on abortion?” “I’m not religous!” All those pesky atheists voting No to Repealing the 8th, amiright?!
@MaxDemons: listening to life line today it became very clear the loss of a baby is extremely upsetting so abortion must be upsetting nobody who has a conscience like me might not be very holy or religious. But the little coffins are an emblem of death and loss. Very sad for both.
I also heard 5000 abortions have taken place but not 5000 reasons were given. Protestors like the ones in Hon Kong will not stop until their point is put across and they are not religious fighting for human rights.
A man scandalised the Tuam babies as being over stated. Protestors got abortion through after Ireland rejected it twice. My point is people with fundamental convictions will protest. If you never protested do past judgement or criticise until you have.
@Graham Wilson: great point, tell me it again. So you’ve just sidestepped my question in proper a Leo and Simon way. Based on 1 comment on the journal you are able to out me as a catholic church religious nut? And I’m the one being unreasonable with my views. If you cant except that not every pro lifer is religious that says alot more about your head in the sand reasoning than it does mine. People like you have used the absolutely appalling and despicable actions of the utterly evil catholic church as a motive to murder unborn kids when in reality the church has nothing to do with the fact that it is now legal to kill a child in the womb.
@Robin Tobin: I personally wouldn’t be upset if I had an abortion, but i was recently left extremely upset when my cousin lost unborn twins after a fall. The difference? The twins were wanted and looked forward to. I on the other hand, never want to experience pregnancy, never want kids, and medically speaking, wouldn’t be confident or safely carrying to term.. at best pregnancy would mean long#term disability, including an inability to hold a baby (something I can’t do anyway for too long), and at worst, it would mean death.
Pregnancy is a roulette of all bad things for me, so is it really surprising that I wouldn’t be upset to end it, given that even the best-case scenario would mean an inability to hold a resulting baby? I have a conscience though.. my conscience is why I don’t engage in sexual activity, am on birth control, and remain a virgin in my 30s, whilst seeking sterilisation without success (my health is apparently unimportant when it comes to the subject of babies.. I’ve been told to ignore all the negative consequences of me becoming pregnant, and to instead focus on how much I want to have children.. after I stated I didn’t want them anyway. I was told that that wasn’t the right answer, and that I 100% wanted children.. I just needed to accept it.. um.. I decided at 7 I didn’t want to go through pregnancy, and in the 20+ years since then, my body has agreed wholeheartedly.. but that apparently means I know nothing, and someone who has known me for 5 minutes does..). But yeah, my conscience means that whilst I will never be upset at needing an abortion, I also do everything I can to ensure I don’t need one.
@Robin Tobin: not wanting to be pregnant is reason enough.
Hope that helps
@Mirabelle Stonegate: There you go Mirabelle, with your pity party. It is all about “me, me , me” ! with you. !
@MaeVic: Why the fffk should her story NOT be all about her?
There is nothing selfish about not wanting children.
@ÓDuibhír Abú: despair? Have you ever worked with people who had terminated their pregnancy? Let me tell you ..that’s despair
@Peter Cavey: you are the most hateful one on here, your bile will choke you soon.
Any farmers want to lend me a slurry sprayer for Saturday?
@AlanH -AFC: How very French or you! Haha
@ObsidianShine: oui oui
Damn I meant to say “of you” not “or you”… Anyway Nevermind… Get some Kerrygold on the spuds!
On behalf of the women and girls I care about, I would like to personally thank these extremists for completely toxififying their position…
@Joe O’riordan: There’s a reason the people 9f Dungarvan didn’t vote for you Joe!
@Joe O’riordan: I wholly disagree with abortion, but I find these action abhorrent and disgusting.
@Joe O’riordan: I wholly disagree with abortion, but I find these actions abhorrent and disgusting
@Joe O’riordan:
What good would shedding his anonymity do you exactly on this point or any?
While i don’t agree with The Risen on a lot of topics, i agree 100% when it comes to this – and i make no use of anonymity which clearly is an important factor to you when making a point – so is the point more valid now?
And it hardly makes him a coward to hold the same view point as the majority of the country. What’s cowardly is launching a campaign of intimidation against vulnerable women. They have enough going on clearly without the need to add this sort of nonsense.
@Graham Wilson: Graham, did you make a spelling mistake?
@Joe O’riordan: Joe, the risen is a known paid employee of the repeal campaign. He/She has the time to sit at home and comment on every single journal article regarding abortion and has been able to do so for well over a year now. We all know the media controlled the campaign and the risen is just another of their resources
@A Cos: Poor pet
Not a shred of humanity, have they?
@Laura Walsh: really? No humanity? You think killing a baby is humanity..stupid comment
@Celia Murphy: They’re not killing babys you absolute loolah. Foetuses. They’re terminating foetuses that are unwanted. Aka can’t survive outside the womb. You hypocrites couldn’t give a toss once it’s born. Internalised mysognist.
This is just disgusting and insensitive on a whole new level. I’m horrified. Speechless at how horrid this is! Why on earth would you put baby sized coffins outside a hospital where women may lose their pregnancy due to fatal abnormality? Where is there any righteousness in that? There isn’t. These protestors are just sick.
@Clare McAfee: maybe they think that standing outside displaying these horrific images might be the difference in changing just one woman’s mind, making her turn away and deciding to continue with her pregnancy. Women have spoken about changing their minds at the last minute for various reasons, so maybe that is the reason behind their behaviour. The pain and upset they cause to other women who have lost a child and have to witness these shocking scenes is very upsetting and can be rage inducing to the vast majority of our population. But I’m sure that these people will argue that all they are trying to do is save a life in the face of something that’s shocking and rage inducing to them. Unfortunately this was always going to be a nasty side effect when repeal was won.
@Devilsavocado: This is a nasty side effect because it’s coming from nasty vile people. Laughable that they consider themselves to be christian
@Clare McAfee: what about the woman who lost her baby with supposedly fatal fetal abnormality to abortion when in fact the baby hadn’t anything wrong with it, where is there any righteousness in that? There isn’t either. What’s sick is listening to you all talking about FFA’s as if all of these 10,000 abortions preformed were because of it, the very vast majority of these abortions are of healthy babies to healthy mother’s and not so called crisis pregnancies, you would swear to listen to ye all that being pregnant was like catching the Ebola virus, a slim to zero chance of survival.
@Devilsavocado: what gives them the right to even think they can change a person mind and using religion to do so is just wrong. This isn’t something that a woman will do lightly in her life but she has the right to make that decision with the help and support of professional people, not from the so called holy Joe’s thinking that they are doing gods work and full of there own importance. Stop pushing women around and thinking you know what’s best for them in the situation that they find themselves in because you don’t.
@Clare McAfee: @Clare McAfee: I am also disgusted. It is a sickening thing to do. My baby was stillborn and I remember leaving the hospital through the lobby which was full of well wishers with balloons etc. this added to my devastation. It is unimaginable what I would have felt having to pass those little while coffins.
@Thomas Troy: “the very vast majority of these abortions are of healthy babies to healthy mothers & not so called crisis pregnancies” <- please provide credible proof that those 'embryos' were healthy & that the 'women' were healthy too.
crisis ; a time when a difficult or important decision must be made.
aww bless
Since the 8th was repealed women now have choice. If a woman for whatever reason needs or decides an abortion is in her best interests, she now has the right to have an abortion. Those women who consider abortion a “sin” or don’t agree with abortion are perfectly right to exercise their choice not to have on. But they’re not right to force their beliefs, religious or otherwise, on anyone. Take your disgusting protests somewhere else.
@Dave Doyle: absolutely!
@Dave Doyle: Or, a religion that believes in free will doesn’t want others having it if they use it in a manner it disapproves of.
So these religious people use their free will to protest and order everyone else to do what they tell them and stop behaving badly. And if the people do, then it wasn’t free will, was it? So the religion is bogus, so they have to keep behaving badly to prove the religion is real… I think?
Or the religious people could just ‘eff off and stop trying to impose their religion upon everyone else, nobody’s imposing abortions on them.
I witnessed this protest after myself coming out of the hospital.
Thankfully our situation was positive but there are, and most likely were, women who were not as fortunate.
To witness this type of protest after a joyful moment was vile.
Life is hard enough for everyone. Let people have their babies in peace and be able to walk out happy.
Go else where and protest.
@Madra: Just imagine being a mother and entering the hospital with a suspected ectopic pregnancy and having to witness this.
It’s just so unchristian.
Why don’t they do the same to the mother and baby home in Tuam
@Do the Bort man: Perhaps they should also protest the Hse, they’re advising women to flush their dead babies down the toilet.
@Rachel O’ Meara: Babies would be too large to flush. Are you confusing them with embryos/foetuses?
@The Risen: Never mind Rachel, she still hasn’t figured out the difference between abortion and contraception, there’s a lot out there to confuse her yet.
@Diarmuid Hunt: As on a previous post I said the morning after pill was contraception not abortion, you were the one to confuse the two not me.
@The Risen: Let me clarify, flush small human bodies down the toilet regardless of age a body is a body.
@Rachel O’ Meara: Glad you finally admitted it’s not a baby.
@Rachel O’ Meara: You obviously didn’t read my reply where I explained how depending on the time it is taken it could be considered either.
@Diarmuid Hunt: I didn’t respond because your information is incorrect, what’s the point in trying to educate someone who thinks they know better than everyone, it’s like trying to make an anti vaxer see sense.
@The Risen: You tend to draw people into arguments and haggle with them on irrelevant points, just clarifying. I know when I was pregnant I carried a baby, foetus is a medical term although when I went for scans doctors talked about my baby and addressed it as such not my foetus.
@The Risen: You bring up a great point though, you repeatedly tell people it’s just a clump of cells, a foetus, not really a baby yet, yet here you are outraged about someone holding a coffin as a symbol for foetal remains. If it’s just a clump of cells as you say then why are you so outraged about it? Hypocrisy much!
@Rachel O’ Meara: It’s not too hard to educate me, give me your counter-argument. I will put my argument succinctly: You can’t advocate the use of the morning after pill as a contraceptive device, the morning after sex, during ovulation and be pro-life and believe in life at conception because there is a chance you are actually advocating inducing early miscarriage which is essentially what abortion pills are for.
@Rachel O’ Meara: But he is right Rachel – it’s a cluster of cells up until about week 8, and then its a fetus. This is not opinion, its fact. You can choose to believe that it is really a fully developed baby with brain function in there all you want but that won’t change the fact that it isn’t.
Until the brain has developed, its simply not alive In the same sense that we declare people dead when there is no brain activity.
The outrage with the coffins is there are parents coming out of that hospital after receiving some pretty horrific news and i don’t think then being presented with little white coffins as they walk out is a very nice thing to see.
@Rachel O’ Meara: Rachel, please link to any comment I made where I use the term ‘just a clump of cells’. Off ya go….
@Rachel O’ Meara: Diarmuid is also right if you coinsider conception takes place anywhere between minutes and hours of sex.
If you consider it a baby from conception, then the morning after pill would be serving as a abortion in that case.
Curious to hear your thoughts on that considering you seem to believe a cluster of cells is an actual baby.
@Diarmuid Hunt: https://onlinedoctor.superdrug.com/difference-abortion-and-morning-after-pill.html Or go to any other website about the morning after pill, they will all tell you pretty much the same thing. Who said I believe life starts at conception? That’s a religious argument and I’m not, I’m an atheist and I come from the school of thought that life starts with a heartbeat which is about 22 days after conception.
@Gavin Conran: Ah but abortion is legal from the start of pregnancy up until 12 weeks. At twelve weeks I had my first scan, doctors referred to the human life inside me as a baby not a foetus. It’s only a cluster of cells until day 22, then the foetal heat starts beating. When a baby is born healthy at nine months its very much alive and a human being yet in its first year of life it’s brain is still growing and developing. To say its not alive is an outright lie, to compare it to a brain dead person is horrible, the difference being one brain has shut down, the other continues to grow and develop even in utero. As for the white coffins I agree it’s not the nicest thing to be met with, the same can be said of the repeal crowd dressed as angels standing outside the same hospital.
@Rachel O’ Meara: So something is considered alive when it has a heartbeat? So when we pull the plug on patients that have a heartbeat but are brain dead we are murdering them?
What’s your take on when a heart is grown in a lab? Is it alive?
@Rachel O’ Meara: There is a difference between a brain continuing to grow and develop after birth, and a brain not existing yet.
@Rachel O’ Meara: That link does not disagree with my statement it says ‘Stops the egg being fertilised’ that’s not much use if the egg is already fertilised which can happen between the time of having sex and taking the pill during ovulation, in which case it is an early induced miscarriage. 22 days after conception, so you’re ok with abortion up to 22 days and ergo pro-choice?
@Rachel O’ Meara: “At twelve weeks I had my first scan, doctors referred to the human life inside me as a baby not a foetus.”
Doctor once told me i had the flu – turned out it was just a cold.
I see you are doing a lot on google to answer questions and providing the odd link – yet no link for me on this?
Ill hazard a guess as to why – is it because every result said the same thing, that from about 8 weeks until birth it’s a foetus?
@Diarmuid Hunt: Read the information again, if the egg is already fertilised it won’t have an affect on the embryo. It’s contraception NOT an abortifacient. You do realise that 22 day mark is after a woman’s last period therefore it’s before she even misses a period that her baby’s heart is beating. No I’m not pro choice, to be pro choice you have to abandon science and logic.
@Rachel O’ Meara: I have read it and re-read it. Nowhere does it say what you state. It says that it is designed to stop the egg from being fertilised. With regard to two different types of morning after pills it says “Both pills work by stopping or delaying ovulation in women. This means that they stop your monthly egg from being released so that it can’t be fertilised by a man’s sperm and you can’t get pregnant.”. The way it stops this is by drastically changing the hormones in a woman’s body, if a fertilised egg is present during this drastic change it will not be availed the opportunity to implant in the uterus and will be expelled. This is why in the shorthand argument I had specific circumstances. How are you not pro-choice? 1/2
@Rachel O’ Meara: If there is no life until heartbeat what is your argument against abortion up to 11 weeks as a choice? You can’t arbitrarily have it both ways.
@The Risen:
It takes a special kind of soul to destroy the most vulnerable and innocent.
Your thoughts?
https://www.lifenews.com/2019/07/01/three-babies-in-minnesota-were-born-alive-in-2018-after-failed-abortions-and-left-to-die/#.XRrXqwLeTAU.twitter
@Rachel O’ Meara: not necessarily and life begins with a breath Rachel just as a death happens with a breath. Life has to be sustained with oxygen and much as I love life and my children,if you can’t maintain an airway life is not sustainable. That is when a baby is viable and that is after 24 weeks.
@The Risen:
” Babies would be too large to flush”
You sure about that?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thejournal.ie/baby-flushed-down-toilet-china-927129-May2013/%3famp=1
@The Risen: I cant believe you are still on the repeal pay roll. They must have unlimited funds but then again every media Corp in the country are supporting them. You must be loaded by now.
@Candace: you can just imagine your search engine history :-) hahahhaha ,feckin’ China,eh
@Diarmuid Hunt: 22 days not 11 weeks, my bad.
Wow as if this isn’t already immensely inappropriate given the many parents in that hospital who may have lost babies or have babies possibly close to death, it is also the week where the death of an actual child has been in the news headlines. Absolutely disgusting
@Steph Ní Dufaigh: yes Steph, and in Charles Byrne’s home town too. Absolutely beyond words.
Speaking as someone who left that hospital carrying my son in a small white coffin that protest has made me sick to the stomach. Absolutely disgusting way to get their point across. I dread to think what I would have done if I walked past them today.
@Claire McDonnell: ah that’s heart breaking. I’m so sorry for your loss and that you had to walk past these horrible humans. I’m ashamed that happened in Ireland in 2019.
There should be a counter protest of people walking in amongst them to hide the coffins and singing to drown out their noise.
We had a referendum, they lost, it’s democracy get over it
@Gus Sheridan: there was also a referendum in 1983
@Donal: Always find it hilarious that while they are still reeling from the shock of their mountainous defeat, the deluded pro-lifers have now suspended reality and convinced themselves that they will be able to reverse the abortion laws in this country, merely because in a highly theocratic Catholic hell that was 80′s Ireland, they had their way before, so it will happen again! Do you also think the smoking ban, divorce and contraception laws will be reversed? If not, why not?
@Donal: You’re right – there was. And there may be another in 20 – 30 years time and the general consensus may have shifted again – or might be even stronger.
But for now, the majority of the country voted to allow women in Ireland the freedom to make decisions for themselves…..so here we are.
@Graham Wilson: Of course they will. And Repealers have made it easier. You se the referendum put the power to amend abortion laws firmly in the hands of Politicians. No need to convince “the people” any more. All that is needed is a few politicians with the balance of power to reverse it!
@Gavin Conran: I’ll say 15 years, and abortion will be restricted. 40 years and it will be banned altogether!
@MaeVic: “All that’s needed is a few politicians with the balance of power to reverse it!” Ha ha! The fantasies are strong in this one! Better chance of a snake talking or water being turned into wine my dear!
@Graham Wilson: @Claire McDonnell
@Graham Wilson: No fantasy. That is how democracy works in this country!
@Graham Wilson: Maria Mhic will be going to her deathbed with the thought of thousands of Irish women having safe,legal abortions in their own towns & cities.The thought of that actually makes me soooooo happy.
@Francis Mc Carthy: The thought of a complete stranger makes you happy? Really. Obviously I matter a great deal to you! Cannot say the same for you!
Besides Unless I have premature death, i will be around in 40 years when abortion is banned. And especially in 15 when it is restricted.!
@MaeVic: You are responding to me,pet .So,yes,I do matter somewhat to you ;-) The young people will not want something that they will take for granted to be taken away from them ;-) Ireland is not Alabama,or is like what goes on in your kitchen in Meath :-) Hows Marion ?
A grossly insensitive and disgusting act. Shame on them.
Pure evil as always.
@Keith O’Reilly:
Abortion, you said it.
@Candace: So when an abortion is used to save a woman’s life,you see it as evil? WOW!
The sad thing about this is that these people actually think they are justified in this protest. It borders on mental instability to a degree. I feel sorry for any parents that have to witness this.
Plain and simple, a shower of whack jobs.
So people on here have no problems with a foetus being torn to pieces with a forceps but get their knickers in a twist over small model coffin. Ah the poor darlings, if the maternity hospital is to be used as an extermination point and in time midwives with a conscience will be forced to carry them out, separate the process..
Protect our midwives from your choice.
@LUCY Thomas: such bolloxology in one paragraph! Count yourself lucky if you haven’t or don’t need to make a life changing decision like abortion services in your lifetime! Luckily I won’t judge others for what they deem best for themselves
@LUCY Thomas: Nearly all our midwives voted Repeal Lucy!
@LUCY Thomas: people like you are why I’m so glad that my cousin lost her unborn twins before these protests started. You probably would have blamed her for their loss!
Our whole family is hurting from this loss, as they were babies that were wanted, and everyone was looking forward to meeting them. Sadly, a couple of months ago, my cousin tripped as she was coming down the stairs, injuring herself, and causing the twins to be lost. She ended up at this same hospital, needing care. If she had had to face these monsters, and people like you, after suffering such an ordeal, I dread to think how it would have affected her.
Oh, and my family, including this cousin, we’re all pro-choice. She chose to have these twins, until they were ripped from her by a cruel twist of fate. Why should women like her be subjected to such disgusting protests, when all they are doing is seeking care at a difficult time? Or are women really so inferior that no one should care bout them??
@LUCY Thomas: So what’s your solution Lucy? You prefer we return to the dark ages of forcing women through childbirth against their will?
With so many women voting for Repeal – perhaps we should remove their right to vote also?
@LUCY Thomas: Not forgetting we will need to ensure their passports are also confiscated so they can’t travel aboard and abort there, you know, as they were doing anyway before Repeal.
And to be double sure, Pregnancy tests at all airports and docks in case some are trying to sneak off?
@LUCY Thomas: what is wrong with you.prochoice is not anti life stop with the hysteria and let people choose
@Mirabelle Stonegate: Oh what a terrible story. Your poor cousin. I how she finds strength in her loving family around her.
@LUCY Thomas: There is a lot of the force birthers who have a picture of ,” I Stand With Our Nurses & Midwives” as their profile pic- but of course there will be plenty of ‘terms & conditions’ attached to that
I really do adore the forced birthers :-)
let’s hope they’ll carry out the same protest outside their local catholic church as well. 800 born babies dead either willfully or of neglect, sold to drug companies for trials in Tuam. Possibly more in Bessborough. That is without mentioning the many, many more who were ripped from their mothers’ arms and sold for prophet
Get better hobbies. Plenty of living children who could do with help.
Poor Charles should be at home playing on his piano that us taxpayers paid for ;-)
The most inhumane and cruel form of protest ever witnessed in this country. Sick individuals.
@Graham Wilson: hyperbole
@Trust The Chalice: Your rosary friends will be glad to see you defending them.
@Graham Wilson: I’m not defending them. Wasn’t nice what the protesters did. I’m pointing out the hyperbole in your comment. Regards
@Trust The Chalice:
Not really, I mean can you imagine if you had to walk out of the hospital after your own son/daughter had died during childbirth or had been stillborn. To someone in those circumstances this would seem like the sickest act anyone could do.
@Colin Patrick Buckley: He’s one of the Holy Joe brigade, only likes white unborn babies, doesn’t like gay or immigrant ones.
@Graham Wilson:
“Only likes white unborn babies” You’re a racist too as well as a rabid pro abortionist.
But I thought you lot always bang on about that they’re not babies??
Lol
@Candace: What qualifications does one need to become an ‘abortionist’ ?
Talking about hyperbole
Lol
Oh pi**off. People voted get over it.
They’ll be very concerned about an unborn child until that child turns out to be gay, then they’ll hate that same child.
Exclusion zones needed asap so that these vile beings are kept away from hospitals. The only places the cult members should be welcome is the pysch ward seeing as they’re clearly deranged and unstable putting on a show like that.
@Ci: Why? What is so special about abortion, what is so special about mothers who obtain abortions, what is so special about places that perform abortions, that the normal rights and rules around protest should be amended specifically for them.?
@MaeVic: but maternity hospitals are not just places where abortions are performed. They are where women are treated for miscarriages and ectopic pregnancies. They are places where stillbirths happen. They are places where couples receive devastating news that their much wanted babies are not going to survive. They are places where pregnant women who have survived all these traumatic experiences go to have their babies. None of these people should be subjected to having to walk past little white coffins. Do you not see how horrifically insensitive these props are to people who are already traumatised and at their most vulnerable?
Did the babies in Tuam have coffins ?
Evil always looks better on its Knees.!!
Disgusting behaviour
Probably the 1st time I’ve ever agreed with Ivana Bacik.
Do you what; I’ve come to the conclusion with a long time that those guys suffer from: Massive Inferiority Complex Syndrome.!!
@The Risen: I think you might be onto something there!
But it’s ok for unwashed house hatched repealers to stand outside the rotunda provoking women like today? This is all about killing humans never forget that and an endangered one at that
@dindo nÜfin: For someone who is pretending to be ‘Pro Life’, you don’t seem to care about the lives of gay people, or going by the Poll who posted on Twitter “Who would you prefer to colonise your homeland – Jews or Muslims?” you don’t seem to value the life of Jews and Muslims much, could it be, that you are a hypocrite?
@dindo nÜfin: You might want to read the bible, it contains a lot of the same mad stuff that’s in the Koran… But that’s okay, cause its the bible…. Naaaahh… http://archive.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2009/03/08/dark_passages/
@dindo nÜfin: I find your description of protesters as ‘angles’ so obtuse…
@dindo nÜfin: ???
@dindo nÜfin: No – this is about not forcing women through pregnancies they don’t want like some sort of backwards nation. That’s no different than treating them like slaves – You can’t kill something that isn’t alive – Never forget that.
@Gavin Conran: all you hypocrites forget to comprehend that repealers did exactly the same thing yesterday dressed as Angeles promoting death how twisted is that? That’s alright then but not alright for pro lifers to do the same? Are you all challenged or something?
Listen when a heart is beating, pumping blood around the body it’s considered alive and when it flat lines it’s considered dead, ask any doctor. Wild I know…..
Aontú very quiet on this ‘peaceful protest’!!
@Eimear Ferguson Towell: Peadar wasn’t there in his Altar Boy outfit no?
That is the most vile act . What’s wrong with these people that think they have the right to traumatise women outside a hospital that’s there for their care .
@Mia Morrissey: They DO have the right to assemble outside the hospital. It is in the Constitution.
@Hi Maria Mhic ; where does it say that loitering is allowed ?
Heed bangers
In all of the media talk about abortion – to the best of my knowledge the procedure for the first, second, & third trimesters has never been shown by any National Broadcaster.
@Derek Kearney: Considering the second and third trimesters fall outside of the allowed timelines, i don’t see how that would be relevant other than to further the campaign of misinformation from the Prolife side.
The abortion pill takes care of the majority of first trimester terminations, and i personally would have been all for the national broadcaster showing this if for nothing else than to counter all the nonsense being thrown out by the prolife side
@Derek Kearney: Would that be something you enjoy watching often Derek? A kind of snuff video hobby?
@Derek Kearney: 67% of abortions happen during & before the 8th week of pregnancy.May I ask you,why would you want the National Broadcaster to show us a woman swallowing the abortion pills ?
just to add; before the disgusting 8th amendment was repealed,in the UK,Irish women were having %-wise(3%) more abortions after the 10th week of pregnancy than women in the UK were having.Why o why did the forced birthers who said that they wanted to ‘protect’ the “fully formed ” foetus voted ‘no’ for that to continue ?
To borrow a few lines from a famous song,
( And the young people ask “What are they marching for?”
And I ask myself the same question.
But year after year, the numbers get fewer
Someday, no one will march there at all)
Abortion, the biggest abomination in today’s world, legalized murder
@Jimmy Carroll: ‘Tuam Babies’.!!
@ÓDuibhír Abú: Good auld Holy Roman Catholic Ireland, when ‘Nuns’ kill Babies nobody kneels outside a ‘Convent ‘ with ‘Little White Coffins’!!
For those who are against these protests, it seems that they are putting the feelings of women over the right of the protesters. to peacefully assemble. I disagree. the excersise of rights is not contingent on how other people feel about it. Rights over feelings all the way.
Also it seems that they are trying to make abortion, mothers who have abortions, and facilities that provide them a “protected class” where the the normal excersise of the right to protest is amended in some way.
@MaeVic: feelings of women all the way, imo. These people can go protest somewhere less disgusting.
My cousin lost twins a couple of months ago, and had to attend this same hospital. I’m just glad it happened before she could be subjected to such vile demonstrating.
She lost the twins after tripping and falling down the stairs.
Why should women like her be subjected to this disgusting display? Surely their feelings SHOULD be protected?
@Mirabelle Stonegate: I disagree. Rights over feelings. So what that your cousin lost twins. There right to protest is not contingent on the circumstances of your cousin. And no “feelings’ should not be protected.
And quite Frankly Mirrabelle, from your supposed condition regarding pregnancy, to your “measles” episode and now to your “cousin” . It seems that you have a personal story for everything. You will be saying you suffer erectile dysfunction yet!
@Mirabelle Stonegate:
Very sorry to hear about your cousins sad loss, it must have been devastating for her and even more so as she was carrying twins.
@MaeVic: I’m in my 30s, with a large extended family (my dad is the 2nd youngest of 12), and a huge amount of medical issues on both sides of the family, so yeah.. kinda got a lot of life experience to pull from.
Since the middle of April, my family has endured the following:
Loss of aforementioned unborn twins;
Death of relatively recently reconnected relative (my dad got back in touch with her about 5 years ago after she had disappeared for a few decades after joining the Scientologists, whom I abhor)
Deaths of four close family friends
An uncle who suffered a stroke, but thankfully survived, but now needs 24/7 care.
At the same time as all this, I’m struggling with huge debt because my electricity company decided I wasn’t didn’t pay them enough for the past few years, so arbitrarily decided to lump me with thousands in debt, and now send emails, calls and texts daily saying I will be cut off if I don’t pay up. So… I’m forced into a position where I am having to go out begging at times, to have enough money to eat one meal a day. Despite a job, and despite paying almost all bills in a timely fashion (one got missed when I switched bank accounts, but was paid within a week of noticing the issue). I suffer depression, have done for years.. was doing great on medication. Had to give that up, because I couldn’t afford the €12 per month. The only reason I haven’t killed myself yet, is because my mums health is starting to suffer with everything going on in our family, and I want to give her a chance to get better again.
Btw, none of this is for sympathy, it’s just fact.. I have a lot of experience with a multitude of issues.
And yet, despite everything I’ve put up with in my life, (including a psycho cousin who tried to train her dog to attack me (and only me) on command), I still somehow have compassion for others, unlike you. Women, and men, going through lost pregnancies, should absolutely be protected from these types of protests. Why punish them, when they have done nothing wrong? Or do you believe that a miscarriage is somehow the fault of the pregnant woman? Because with how heartless you are towards women experiencing one of the worst things possible – the loss of a wanted baby – it wouldn’t surprise me if you were to blame them.
@Thomas Troy: thanks, luckily we’re a close family, so there’s a lot of support to be had for all.
@Mirabelle Stonegate: As I have said to you before Mirrabelle, Life does not revolve around you. You are such a notice box.
This is not about you ar your family, or any “issues” you claim to have. This is about citizens rights to protest and how those rights are not contingent on how other feel about them.
@Mirabelle Stonegate: Why should they be protected from these protests.?
And their right to protest is not contingent on whether a mother hashed a miscarriage or not!
@Mirabelle Stonegate: Maria Mhic,whom is in the minority,believes that her “morals” should dictate on how the majority will have to live :-) Poor pet
@Francis Mc Carthy: Irrelevent Francis.
@MaeVic: compassion and empathy, caring and understanding. All good reasons to protect people going through a devastating situation.
And hey, these people can protest all they want, just.. not outside a hospital. They should be outside the dail, if anything, not outside a facility that is providing a medically necessary service to already devastated women.
@Mirabelle Stonegate: Not a good reason to deny peoples rights though!
These people can protest where they want. Not where you tell them. That is all part of the right to protest.
There is nothing special about a “facility providing a medically necessary service” not is there anything special about “devastated women”. especially nothing that demands rights to be amended or taken away!
800-900 a month! Horrible!! Pro life!
@Patrick whelan: unverified claim. Did you not read the article? #prochoice
@Patrick whelan: So what to you would be an acceptable number then?
@Patrick whelan: How is it ‘pro life’ to force a woman/child to go through with a pregnancy that could have fatal consequences to her life ?
These people are absolutely unequivocally disgusting “humans”.
@Sirius: are you talking about the people who think it is okay to kill a foetus/embryo/unborn baby?
@Tom Mullally: I would imagine the comment was about men such as yourself who believe they actually have the right to force a women through an unwanted pregnancy against her will like some sort of slave or something.
We live in a nation Tom where the majority have moved out of the dark ages and turned up in droves to ensure women would never have to suffer the indignity of having to travel to another country away from there support structures to terminate or do so using illegally obtained pills at home, cross their fingers and hope for the best.
But let’s not worry about such things Tom, because what’s important is what Tom wants, and not the woman who would have to suffer though the pregnancy right?
It doesn’t matter if it’s absolutely none of Toms business whatsoever – Tom still wants a right to control what women across Ireland do with their own bodies.
Tom, if you don’t like the concept of abortions – then don’t have one mate and don’t worry yourself with what others are doing.
@Sirius: quite right Sirius ,people who murder their own are disgusting
@Jimmy Carroll: Right you are – let’s just enslave the female population of Ireland instead – nothing disgusting about that, what with you being male and all right?
@Gavin Conran:
What has being male got to do with anything?
Curious to know why you brought that into your response.
@Jimmy Carroll: & they are put away for murder.Oh,wait,you are another guy whom believes that “abortion is murder” That is sooooooo adorable.
I dont agree with the protest either, its a step to far! I do find the numbers of terminations per month disturbing
@Patrick whelan: unverified claim!!! Funny how you pick out the non factual statement in the article to moan about. #prochoice
@Patrick whelan: I wouldn’t be believing that figure at all. It’s unverified,and coming from a seriously biased source.
Idiots they should be arrested
@Shane Freeney: ah here I don’t like their carry on, but what about the right to free assembly and protesting?
In saying that, I’d be all for sensible exclusion zones.
@Mushy Peas: Fine so ling as it doesn’t cause trauma to others, a woman coming out of the hospital who has just had a scan and found out she has miscarried then sees these coffins and the ghouls with their signs? Enough to tip anyone off the scales.
Who or what gives those people the right to protest, judge, decide on very personal private matters of individuals. They are protesting based on their own personal opinion which is just an opinion and should not be forcing it down any other persons neck as their God given right. Live and let live, respect others opinions and let God be the judge. These people deserve the right to access medical attention without being confronted by people who are acting on their own selfish opinions
@Sinead O Donnell. Abortion, and mothers who have them, are nothing special. There is nothing about it that makes the right to protest, and the excersise of said right, invalid. What about Abortion, the mothers, or the places they take place “protected” that the right to protest must be amended.?
@MaeVic: you lot lost the 8th because of yer pathetic ways,& guess what ? Ye will also lose the right to protest outside certain buildings .What a time to be alive (pun intended) :-)
@Francis Mc Carthy: Well that will have to go to a referendum, which will mean every losing the right to Peacefully assemble, outside every where.
@MaeVic: ‘every losing the right to peacefully assemble, outside everywhere’ preposterous, they have introduced this in other countries with safety zones around certain sensitive areas, like outside a hospital. This doesn’t mean that the prolife protesters would no longer be able to peacefully assemble or protest just that they can’t do it in the face of some of the most emotionally vulnerable people. Surely protesting outside government buildings would suffice. Have people the right to protest against abortion? Absolutely yes. Is it necessary for them to do it outside of hospitals or abortion clinics? No.
@Maria Mhic ; people will still be able to ‘peacefully protest’,it’s just that they won’t be allowed to loiter outside certain premises.You cannot expect to upset people whom are already in a vulnerable state.
@Diarmuid Hunt: It is not preposterous. What you are suggesting is that a particular class of citizens, be specifically targeted so that THEIR right tp protest is restricted. Not only is their right to protest restricted, but the reason the can protest is restricted. So striking midwives could protest outside maternity hospitals.for better pay and conditions. but pro lifers can’t protest against abortion.
That wont wash constitutionally, unless you change the constitution.
Part of the right to Protest, is the decide to decide where to protest. It is up to the protesters to decide what will suffice. The right to protest is not contingent to other people being Vulnerable. It is irrelevant, Rights over feelings all the way!
@Francis Mc Carthy: That cannot be done Francis. As the Taoiseach himself said, one cannot restrict he right to peaceful assembly. Restriction includes excluding certain premises from protest. The only way to introduce this is to remove the right to peaceful assembly altogether from B Na hE.
The right to protest is not contingent on others being “vulnerable” or “upset”. Rights over feelings!
@MaeVic: I quoted you saying that that quote was preposterous. Anyway, rights over feelings: is that like the right to bodily autonomy over your feeling that abortion is murder?
@Diarmuid Hunt: No it is like the right to protest is not subject to how other people “feel” about it. “the right to bodily autonomy’ has Zero to do with abortion.
@MaeVic: The right to abortion has zero to do with how you ir others feel about it, glad we agree.
Now if we were talking about greyhounds.
It seems as though those who voted for abortion also want them carried out the back door in secret. Keep it all hushed. Thought they were proud and loud..
Not so apparently
@rosetheone: It seems that the pathetic forced birthers are proving that they are the ones that pile on mental health issues to women.
OMG ;https://www.ul.ie/research/blog/abortion-stigma-linked-worse-health-new-study-finds
Disgraceful fu@#ers
Women going through enough trama and then the catholic do gooders strike
@OwenK74: babies going through the death penalty, there are none so blind that those who will not see
this is shameful ….this crowed remind of the American baptist church Louis throux exposed
@David cotter: The ‘Pasta’ who said on that show, ‘God would protect him ‘ when handling a poisonous snake. Snake bit him on the ‘Ass’, and Pasta started to Die right there in front of the Camera.!!
Loss of a child versus killing your child. Both absolutely awful
This is disgusting. They’re comparing the loss of a CHILD, to the choice to abort an unwanted pregnancy. I’m sickened.
@Anna: You mean abort an unwanted child.
@Anna: what’s the difference?
Hah. The coffins are a bit much. The vast majority of aborted babies don’t get buried in coffins.
@madabot: they go into the yellow human waste bins that’s limbs etc go into before incineration.
They should be arrested This is awful. There are so many going through the unimaginable
Shame on them
Disgusting bunch..
I have seen two miscarriages at first hand around the twelve-week mark. While they were very sad occurrences, they were a normal part of life. They did not involve the death of a baby.
I have also unfortunately had to carry the remains of my three-month old daughter to the graveside in a coffin like the one the ghouls in the above story are using. I am, unfortunately, thus able to distinguish between the end of a pregnancy and the death of a baby.
All women should have a right to choose.
@Denonu: were neither of those miscarriage the end of a pregnancy that was your child?
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