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Demonstrators support Gemma O’Doherty’s protest against Google last month Leah Farrell/RollingNews.ie

'This has gone on for too long': Gardaí and Dublin City Council in dispute over policing of Google protests

Internal correspondence shows how gardaí and DCC disagreed over the management of the protests.

GARDAÍ AND DUBLIN City Council wrangled over how to monitor protests headed by Gemma O’Doherty outside Google’s offices in Dublin last month, new records show.

Internal correspondence seen by TheJournal.ie shows how a garda inspector suggested that the local authority’s busking enforcement unit should police the demonstrations.

The issue arose after both gardaí and the council received a number of noise complaints about the protests, with emails between the two showing initial confusion as to how they should be dealt with.

The emails were among a volume of correspondence sent to the local authority regarding the demonstrations, which included complaints from a diverse range of people, such as councillors, residents and local businesses.

The protests were staged outside Google’s offices on Barrow Street in Dublin, and were initially organised after O’Doherty was suspended from YouTube for violating its policies on hate speech and harassment.

They took place daily for a number of weeks, and saw protesters march outside the building and use loudspeakers to chant and shout at passers-by and Google employees.

Several counter protests also took place at Barrow Street under the banner ‘Speakers Unicorner’, whose members also chanted and used megaphones.

On 13 August, gardaí issued a warning to the protesters, reading out the Public Order Act. It’s understood that protesters were asked to desist from playing loud music, beating drums and using an amplifier.

Affect on local residents

Internal council correspondence now shows the extent of local disruption that the demonstrations caused.

In a series of emails to council management in late July, Green Party councillor Claire Byrne relayed complaints from residents in Barrow Street and South Dock relating to “an individual with a loud amplified speaker and megaphone outside Google HQ”.

Byrne said that while she fully supported the right to peaceful protest, she did not consider the demonstrations peaceful because they were causing so much disturbance.

In one email, she said:

One [resident] told me she approached [protesters] to ask them to be quiet and she was met with abuse. She also said that the protest has gone on until after 10pm which is after the cut off point.
The residents can’t even open their windows in this heat due to the noise, and it’s keeping kids awake. I have also been contacted by taxi drivers as there is disruption to the rank there.

In another email, a Dublin City Council area manager told other staff about problems raised by Fine Gael councillor Danny Byrne, who he said was “adamant” that the council should meet with gardaí to discuss the demonstrations.

“He says that he has constituents trying to study for exams and cannot do so because of the racket in Barrow Street,” the email read.

gemma-doherty-google-protest Staff and security look on as supporters of Gemma O'Doherty protest outside Google HQ on Barrow Street Sam Boal / RollingNews.ie Sam Boal / RollingNews.ie / RollingNews.ie

In late July, a business owner contacted the council to complain about the disruption that the protests had been causing her for three weeks.

“We are trying to conduct our business as best we can but in the afternoon we have been subject to this noise pollution,” she said in one email.

However, the council responded by saying that it was unable to deal with the issue, as the matter was a legal one. It told the woman to contact her local garda station instead.

“I have checked with our environmental health section in relation to noise pollution, who tell me that the use of a PA is classed as a public order offence and needs to be dealt with by An Garda Síochána,” a council staff member wrote.

But despite the woman replying to say that she had already contacted gardaí, the council said it was still attempting to clarify matters before it could deal with it.

Correspondence from the woman to the council in mid-August shows how the issue had still not been resolved weeks later. It read:

We would really like to see an end to this protesting and have use of the footpath once again. This matter has really gone on for far too long.” 

Street performance bye laws

Further correspondence also details the extent of confusion between gardaí and the council on how to deal with the noise from protesters and disagreements about who was responsible for policing it.

In August, gardaí in Irishtown wrote to the council to suggest that the local authority could use street performance bye-laws to deal with the ongoing noise issue at the protests.

Gardaí said that demonstrators were using a microphone accompanied by a speaker to enhance the volume of their “vocal expressions” and were playing recorded music, using musical instruments and singing.

The email continued:

The Garda Síochána is to enquire as to whether the Street Performers Bye-Laws 2016… have been considered by Dublin City Council in respect of this ongoing issue and whether the Google protesters/demonstrators are acting in a performing role for the purpose of the 2016 Bye-Laws.
In this regard, I am to inform you that a counter protester has alleged to the Garda Síochána that these protesters are performing on the street without a licence.

But a response from a council staff member said that the local authority believed its street performance bye laws, introduced in 2016 to regulate busking, did not apply because the protest was not a performance.

The council said that a street performer was defined as anyone who engaged in “performance or exhibition in a public place…with the reasonable expectation or opportunity of receiving donations”.

Instead, the council suggested that the matter should be dealt with under Section 5 of the Criminal Justice (Public Order) Act, alleging that the protests could be described as “offensive conduct”.

“[It is] an offence for anyone in a public place to engage in offensive conduct: between the hours of 12 o’clock midnight and 7 o’clock in the morning next following; or at any time, after having been request by a member of An Garda Síochána to desist,” they said.

The council subsequently agreed to monitor noise levels at subsequent protests during a meeting of councillors, staff and gardaí a number of days later.

90340717_90340717 Gemma O'Doherty (file photo) Mark Stedman / RollingNews.ie Mark Stedman / RollingNews.ie / RollingNews.ie

Protests dwindled

O’Doherty has been a controversial figure on social media in recent years, and regularly issues posts criticising Ireland’s media, political parties and immigration policies.

She attempted to run in last year’s presidential election, but was unable to secure enough nominations from local councils to get on the ballot.

She also ran for the European elections this year in the Dublin constituency, where she secured 6,659 first preference votes, finishing 12th out of 19 candidates.

She frequently broadcast on YouTube – which is owned by Google  before being banned after posting a video criticising ethnic minorities in Ireland. 

The first sanction prevented her from uploading new content for seven days, and the offending video was removed.

She continued to post on the site under another username, contravening YouTube’s terms and conditions, leading it to ban her outright from posting any content on the platform and the subsequent protest on Barrow Street.

However, the protests have dwindled in recent weeks and O’Doherty has not returned to the platform.

By the time of publication, gardaí did not respond to a request for comment when asked whether the council or the force were responsible for dealing with noise complaints involving megaphones and amplifiers at demonstrations.

With reporting from Ken Foxe and Daragh Brophy.

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    Mar 31st 2020, 9:20 AM

    It doesn’t look like the counting staff are following the 2 meter social distancing rule if the above photo is of the current count

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    Mar 31st 2020, 9:26 AM

    @Ed Cotter: Foreshortening.

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    Mar 31st 2020, 12:21 PM

    @Ed Cotter: It’s not the actual count…. It’s a picture from an agency… See the credit at bottom of pic.

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    Mar 31st 2020, 1:19 PM

    @Jerriko17: it is the actual count

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    Mar 31st 2020, 1:23 PM

    @Jerriko17: just because it is agency photo doesn’t mean it’s not the actual count. They say it’s the printworks and the count was moved there. Also looks like what was on RTE tv news.

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    Mar 31st 2020, 1:49 PM

    @Ed Cotter: I finding it very hard to get excited about this seanad election I wonder why!

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    Mar 31st 2020, 2:43 PM

    @Tom Malone: OK… Apologies!!!!

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    Mar 31st 2020, 2:43 PM

    @John Buckley: OK… Apologies!!!!

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    Mar 31st 2020, 10:04 AM

    @Tricia G: This comment typifies the low standards of debate in our society at present, instead of exchanging opinions backed by reasoning and facts, people merely indulge in name-calling and shunning those with opposing arguments.

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    Mar 31st 2020, 10:04 AM

    What percentage of electors bothered voting or even received ballot papers. A joke. Retirement home for failed politicians at our expense.

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    Mar 31st 2020, 11:00 AM

    @Valthebear: Which the public had the chance to abolish and bizarrely refused.

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    Mar 31st 2020, 11:04 AM

    @Valthebear: Well neither I nor my husband received ballot papers, and we are both electors. Very dodgy!

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    Mar 31st 2020, 11:28 AM

    @Zmeevo Libe: ditto. I probably wouldn’t have voted anyway, but this is first year they failed to arrive. Got a lot of annoying canvassing bumpf in the post though…

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    Mar 31st 2020, 11:30 AM

    @Rochelle: aye.

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    Mar 31st 2020, 1:25 PM

    @Valthebear: I also did not receive any postal ballot papers for the Seanad elections…my first time to be omitted also. Something smells tres dodgy

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    Mar 31st 2020, 2:23 PM

    @Rochelle: Why bizarrely kept . If you understood the reason for it and what it does then you would understand why it exists.
    Certain politicians wanted rid of it as it was doing its job perfectly as is required under the constitution.

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    Mar 31st 2020, 10:08 AM

    Rónán Mullen out!

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    Mar 31st 2020, 10:15 AM

    @Aisling: no one really cares one way or the other

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    Mar 31st 2020, 10:38 AM

    @Valthebear: I do.

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    Mar 31st 2020, 10:52 AM

    @Tricia G: So do I.

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    Mar 31st 2020, 11:27 AM

    @Tricia G: a handful of people on the journal.. Hold the front page. Is it even trending on twitter.. Don’t see it. I’m sorry, when I say the likes of Aodhán Ó Ríordáin (‘wont bé kicking around in the Senate..’ ) Mickey D’ s daughter continuing the fine Irish tradition of nepotism after failing in the Euro elections, and a clatter of failed General Election candidates etc.. This is not what a supposed upper house should be for. We got none of the reform promised after the referendum. So, no, I think it is an utter irrelevance as constituted and merely serves as a sinecure for privileged members of the political class. Would imagine vast majority of country would agree

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    Mar 31st 2020, 11:29 AM

    @The Risen: eh no. Link doesn’t work.

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    Mar 31st 2020, 12:05 PM

    @Valthebear: I agree we got none of the reform promised and I would like to see it reformed. I believe we need a strong second house.

    I also still want to see Ronan Mullan lose this election.

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    Mar 31st 2020, 12:29 PM

    @Valthebear: Check out the meaning of nepotism before spouting rubbish.. The president had no influence on the election of his daughter. Just because people of the same family go into politics doesn’t make it nepotism.

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    Mar 31st 2020, 1:17 PM

    @Valthebear: we should ..paid for out of your taxes

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    Mar 31st 2020, 1:23 PM

    @Valthebear: It’s just another one of FGs failures. Enda wanted it gone when he didn’t get what he wanted he spat out the dummy and refused to reform the Seanad

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    Mar 31st 2020, 2:19 PM

    @Jerriko17: you think? You seriously deny being the offspring of a well known politician doesn’t give one advantages when entering Irish politics? If so you must be seriously naive. It’s nepotism pure and simple, regardless of whether it’s FF, FG, or self styled ‘progressives’.

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    Mar 31st 2020, 2:53 PM

    @Valthebear: Having a relative in politics and going for office yourself is not nepotism. You must be wearing a tin foil hat if you think Michael D would be so naive as to pull strings (I don’t even know how!!!!) to get a relative elected.

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    Mar 31st 2020, 5:07 PM

    @Jerriko17: it’s not about pulling strings. It’s enjoying advantages that other less fortunate can never aspire too. It’s about moving in the same circles and being connected to the political classes.

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    Mar 31st 2020, 10:33 AM

    @Pat Coyne: Rónán Mullan represents a Catholic Conservative ethos that belongs in 20th Century Ireland and is increasingly out of step with the country today. It surprised me that he was elected and I will be deeply disappointed if he is re-elected. UCD has a disturbingly strong and unified hard right faction, the same faction that led to the election of Katie Ascough.

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    Mar 31st 2020, 9:35 AM

    Who cares ..
    Maybe elites whom have a vote.
    House is an absolute undemocratic joke..

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    Mar 31st 2020, 11:28 AM

    @Willy Mc Entire: Sf voted against the abolition of the Senad a few years back

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    Mar 31st 2020, 12:40 PM

    @Willy Mc Entire: Similar to your house of Lords.

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    Mar 31st 2020, 1:50 PM

    @Patrick O Connell: I didn’t. The only vote as a taxpayer I had regards this undemocratic sideline for those voted out was to abolish it.
    You and Val as true blueshirts emalgumating as one FFG see no wrong here ….

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    Mar 31st 2020, 10:25 PM

    @Willy Mc Entire: No its not a joke
    it pays big money and you will get a big pension
    Lets have another vote

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    Mar 31st 2020, 10:36 AM

    @Pat Coyne: Is that right Pat?

    I wasn’t advocating for Ronan Mullin not to have the right to say what he believes. I actually support his right to say what he believes. It allows the rest of us to see him for exactly who he is.

    I would even like to see him debate his ideas but instead he much prefers to pontificate to the media and imagine conspiracies to distract from his opinions (that, thankfully, have very little support in this country). That was his behaviour throughout the commission on Repealing the 8th. He couldn’t hold his own with the medical professionals so he and Mattie McGrath left the chamber and speechified to the media. It was an obvious ploy to try and distract from the sober and informed opinions coming from those that remained in the Chamber.

    I do NOT want that man to be elected to the Seanad. His stance on just about everything utterly appals me and it would be my preference that he get no where near a position of government.

    So yes, whilst I should probably not have called him a “dose” (even if it is my personal opinion of him) there is no debate on where he stands.

    There is no middle ground we’re going to meet on.

    So yes, again I’ll say “I just hoping that Ronan Mullan doesn’t get re-elected.”

    Better now?

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    Mar 31st 2020, 10:32 AM

    @Tricia G: I agree. I voted for almost everyone but him to try and get rid of Mullan.

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    Mar 31st 2020, 2:06 PM

    Lisa Chambers!??…..Are they for real!? Seriously……..

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    Mar 31st 2020, 8:30 PM

    @Gazza Lazza: unfortunately so

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    Mar 31st 2020, 10:35 AM

    @Pat Coyne: And Pat do you think you are raising the standards of debate with your comment? It is quite obvious that @Tricia G is referring to Ronan Mullan”s Anti-Abortion stance.. He has been nothing but an antagonist to the women of this country… He feels he has a right as a man to express an opinion on what a woman can and cannot do with her body.

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    Mar 31st 2020, 11:56 AM

    A home for failed politicians

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    Mar 31st 2020, 11:33 AM

    Social distancing only relates to the normal folk
    You know the ones left without jobs ,education for their children and broken promises from government that banks will help!!

    The politicians still have jobs ,pensions and no problem spending borrowed money. Sure they won’t be around to have to pay it back in taxes.

    Why are we not using their pension funds for the good of the country????

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    Mar 31st 2020, 12:48 PM

    @Yasmin Hamid Khan: Overly dramatic.. We’re in the middle of a pandemic and there are thousands in the same boat. Every school in the country is closed and only essential workers should be leaving their homes. When this is all over it’ll get back to normal relatively quickly. The Govt HAVE to borrow money to keep the economy going in the meantime

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    Mar 31st 2020, 10:35 AM

    @Pat Coyne: Debate is a democratic process, this election is not. Of course the citizens will mock and deride it, it’s been that way since Caligula made his horse a senator. It’s all part of a republic.

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    Mar 31st 2020, 9:53 AM

    I hope that’s a stock photo!

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    Mar 31st 2020, 1:32 PM

    I am glad Lisa Chambers has been elected to the Senate, she is an excellent debater and will contribute a lot to Irish politics, after narrowingly losing out on being re-elected to the Dail.

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    Mar 31st 2020, 1:43 PM

    @Paul O’Sullivan: agreed! She comes across as a very competent and able politician. I was disappointed for her when she lost her seat.

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    Mar 31st 2020, 2:14 PM

    @Paul O’Sullivan: is that the same Lisa Chambers
    That spent years in the Dáil and couldn’t remember where her seat was when it came to voting.

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    Mar 31st 2020, 10:52 AM

    @Pat Coyne: he wants to put the west back to the 50s with greenways.

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    Mar 31st 2020, 2:45 PM

    @Daniel Howard: he has a right to be elected if he gets enough votes!!!!

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    Mar 31st 2020, 1:50 PM

    Another trough to feed from…should be apologised

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    Mar 31st 2020, 10:45 AM

    I’m in the strange position having 2 senate votes!

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    Mar 31st 2020, 1:58 PM

    @Pat Coyne: Rónán Mullen’s right to free speech doesn’t infer a right to be elected to the Seanad.

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    Mar 31st 2020, 2:37 PM

    Well done good and faithful servants! Come have another dig in the trough!!

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    Mar 31st 2020, 1:46 PM

    @Jerriko17: I do not think a man like him or any man should be allowed to express an opinion that a woman that has been raped and impregnated as a result should be refused the right to terminate, because he thinks it is morally wrong… I am glad that at least the women of Ireland have at least that choice now, to carry and not be forced to carry or go to another country to deal with what must be a very lonely journey for any woman.

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    Mar 31st 2020, 12:16 PM

    I’m shocked and appalled

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    Mar 31st 2020, 2:35 PM

    @Paul O’Sullivan: i believe ronan mullen would say that abortion is wrong in all circumstances, not just the extreme & rare ones that are always trotted out. As for saying he cannot hold an opinion, thats just silly.

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    Mar 31st 2020, 12:24 PM

    @Paul O’Sullivan: same right as you do to criticise him… It’s not illegal yet to express an opinion. If he gets elected… Dems the rules…. Suck it up.

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    Mar 31st 2020, 6:42 PM

    Fine Gael’s John McGahon elected. The guy’s currently being prosecuted for assault, and then there’s also “the twix bar” incident.

    Let’s see if the media gives him the same (completely necessary) scrutiny they give SInn Fein politicians. I wouldn’t count on it.

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    Mar 31st 2020, 6:45 PM

    @: What’s the twix bar incident?

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    Mar 31st 2020, 9:00 PM

    @ihcalaM:

    He inserted a twix bar into an unconscious man’s a,n.u.s at a music festival. If it was a woman that would legally be considered r.a.p,e

    Real charmer.

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    Mar 31st 2020, 2:41 PM

    @Paul O’Sullivan: nothing to do with morals, your view, his view or my view….Termination after 12 weeks is not allowed, even for rape…That’s the law. Nothing stopping anyone campaigning for or against that and until the law is changed we have to live with it.

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    Mar 31st 2020, 2:05 PM

    Really? I was quite impressed with his position on human trafficking, support for people with dementia and special needs education.

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    Mar 31st 2020, 2:11 PM

    What the wonderful Sen Noone???

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    Mar 31st 2020, 9:43 PM

    @IamSocrates: you seem to have a problem with catholics & conservatives. People are free to form their own opinions on religion & politics despite your misgivings. Nearly the entire political & media class in this country form an echo chamber of lefties & anyone who is right of centre is painted as a nazi or potential nazi.

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    Mar 31st 2020, 10:34 PM

    I am at loss why is it mostly bformer TDs in the senate, it should be nurses, doctors, engineers, solicitors, accountants, chamber of commerce Representatives, trade unionists giving a different views on laws

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    Mar 31st 2020, 9:43 PM

    @Des Groome: as opposed to narrow minded liberalism

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    Mar 31st 2020, 8:30 PM

    Jobs for the boys and girls whom the full public decided weren’t upto the Dail

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    Mar 31st 2020, 4:00 PM

    @Jerriko17: Am actually, terminations are allowed by law after 12 weeks.

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    Mar 31st 2020, 2:13 PM

    @Tricia G:

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    Mar 31st 2020, 2:27 PM

    I find all of your big words intimidating and offensive. Less of it.

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    Mar 31st 2020, 9:38 PM

    @Tricia G: he is a dose of narrow minded conservatism yes.

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