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Judge to rule next month on Ronan Ryan and Pamela Flood's battle to keep their home

The judge will give his judgment on 7 October.

RONAN RYAN AND his wife, former Miss Ireland Pamela Flood, had never heard of the personal insolvency regime when they both signed a consent agreement to give back their Dublin home to so-called vulture fund Tanager, the High Court heard today.

Ryan had appealed against Judge Jacqueline Linnane’s Circuit court order allowing Tanager re-possess 136 Mount Prospect Avenue, Clontarf, even when he had insolvency court protection from every one of his creditors.

The full appeal was heard today before Mr Justice Garrett Simons who told Tanager’s legal team, led by barrister Rudi Neuman that the court wanted to know exactly how much the fund had paid for the debt against Ryan’s mortgage. Neuman said the court would be supplied with that information.

Neuman told the judge that if the courts were not prepared to enforce consent agreements there would be a significant reluctance on the part of litigants to enter such arrangements. A stay on Tanager moving against the home of Ryan, his wife and four children, will remain in place until Judge Simons gives his judgment early next month.

Barrister Keith Farry, a specialist advocate in personal insolvency proceedings, said Mr Ryan’s failure to inform the special insolvency judge dealing with his application that there was a consent possession order in place, would not have adversely affected the granting of a Protective Order under the personal insolvency legislation. The lack of such information was not material to the application.

Farry, who appeared with Cork solicitor Eugene Carley for Ryan, said he should have been advised years ago of the existence of the insolvency legislation and the use of this method in dealing with all of his indebtedness.

The court heard that in separate proceedings Tanager had appealed the decision of insolvency Judge Verona Lambe to vacate her decision to grant the Protective Certificate which granted Mr Ryan 70 days protection plus a possible further 80 days by agreement of the insolvency court.

Ryan, in his affidavit, told the court that since re-possession proceedings were issued in February 2016 he had, on three occasions co-operated with the several banks that had owned his mortgage debt to sell his house. He had even vacated the property to allow viewings.

‘Not advised’

He said that prior to the 8 March order by Judge Linnane granting consent possession to Tanager his then legal team had negotiated the deal after having advised him he had no defence.  They had not advised him of the personal insolvency legislation. It had been due to a friend noticing widespread publicity of his case that had led to his knowledge of insolvency.

Mr Ryan told the court that is all of his dealings regarding the sale of his home he had been told by banks that repayment of monthly instalments were unnecessary.  He had expressly been told repeatedly “we just want the asset,” that the repayments were irrelevant.

He said he was now in a position to make his monthly repayments and had been paying €3,700 a month since March last. He wanted to save his home and he and his wife had signed the consent possession agreement because they were not aware of any other option available to them. 

Non-payments had never been a strategic intention on his part.  So eager were his creditors to realise the asset that they agreed to no payments, offered to write down his €1.2million debt and pay him removal expenses.

Judge Simons will give his judgment on 7 October.

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    Mute Ace
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    Dec 16th 2016, 7:13 AM

    In fairness, if it says “Free park and ride”. I could see why somebody would think the luas journey was also free.

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    Mute Awkward Seal
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    Dec 16th 2016, 7:16 AM

    Exactly. Even if you’re at a P&R facility it makes it sound like the ride part is free too.

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    Mute Paraic McDonagh
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    Dec 16th 2016, 8:16 AM

    I suppose they didn’t get a return ticket because they were on their way to see “The Neverending Story” : )

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    Mute Wurps
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    Dec 16th 2016, 9:30 AM

    @Ace: Yeah, that would make some sense. It doesn’t say that though.. It says “Luas P+R free Aug Hol “. At a place where there is no Park and Ride, so it’s not even vaguely obvious what P+R is. Also, “Free Park and ride” would make me think that both the parking and the riding were free. :) No?

    Would it really have been that difficult to state “Free Parking at Park and Ride” instead, and just put up the sign at Park and Ride locations? Using words and common sense maybe. Crazy, suggestion I know!

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    Mute Boganity
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    Dec 16th 2016, 1:21 PM

    In the USA it’s called “kiss and ride” God knows what this woman’s Gobsh*te kids would have thought they’re getting with that.

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    Mute winston smith
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    Dec 16th 2016, 8:31 PM

    This was a genuine case of misunderstanding but one would wonder how transdev could ever hope to break even with the amount of people who travel without paying.

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    Mute Boganity
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    Dec 16th 2016, 10:08 PM

    They’re subsidised by the Govmint no public transport system anywhere in the world generates enough revenue to pay their own way

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    Mute Awkward Seal
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    Dec 16th 2016, 7:14 AM

    In my experience you need to make things like the luas, train stations and airports as simple as possible as you have to cater to first time users and tourists who may not be able to speak the language. I’ve been all over the world and most places make it so easy it’s almost impossible to go wrong. It’s not hard to do. Then there are places that seemingly don’t give a s#@t. I think we should make sure Ireland falls into the former category.

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    Mute Fergal Murray
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    Dec 16th 2016, 6:26 PM

    Totally agree Awkward.

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    Mute DeeJay
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    Dec 16th 2016, 7:54 AM

    Teens not paying their fare on the green line, shocker :-P

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    Mute Kevin Ward
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    Dec 16th 2016, 9:55 AM

    There’s no such thing as a free ride !

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    Mute cortisola
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    Dec 16th 2016, 11:22 AM

    @Kevin Ward: Or free park.

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    Mute Anto Curran
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    Dec 16th 2016, 7:46 AM

    I was so disappointed that I didn’t get my free pernod and red that day

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    Mute Thommo's Big Nose
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    Dec 16th 2016, 8:47 AM

    Woof

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    Mute Patrick Ramseyer
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    Dec 16th 2016, 7:50 AM

    how much are the fines for not buying a Ticket on the Luas? just curious , I live in Switzeland and the fine is about 80 euro.

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    Mute David Quim
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    Dec 16th 2016, 8:10 AM

    @Patrick Ramseyer: Not sure it matters a lot what the fine is in Dublin, because from what I’ve heard, no one ever pays it.

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    Dec 16th 2016, 8:20 AM

    100

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    Mute Boganity
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    Dec 16th 2016, 9:48 AM

    Not sure Patrick I just throw them away and they’ve never come after me

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    Mute Stephen Duffy
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    Dec 16th 2016, 7:01 AM

    Sometimes I think that officialdom makes it so difficult for companies and businesses, big and small,to operate. IMHO, a ridiculous ruling…

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    Mute Fozz
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    Dec 16th 2016, 7:02 AM

    Let’s keep rewarding stupidity. Look at the bonus prize we all got from that in the form of Trump and his cabinet.

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    Mute Niall Ó Dochartaigh
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    Dec 16th 2016, 7:07 AM

    Ignorance is no excuse to law. Silly ruling, makes a mockery of the system. At least the lads got some extra pocket money in town.

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    Mute Matt Connolly
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    Dec 16th 2016, 7:32 AM

    @Niall Ó Dochartaigh: agreed, transdev were quite ignorant on this occasion.

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    Mute Boganity
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    Dec 16th 2016, 7:38 AM

    They still had to pay the fine. This was just the advertising standards authority ruling the ad broke the industry voluntary code of practice. It has no legal powers to make any order for the the fine to be refunded

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    Mute Abe Brennan
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    Dec 16th 2016, 9:00 PM

    Park n ride doesnt work anyway, i parked there for 2 hours last week but didnt get a ride.

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    Mute James Joseph Superior Power
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    Dec 17th 2016, 4:16 AM

    Did no body flash there light or did you forget to flash yours? The Big boys tell me that’s how it works.

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    Dec 16th 2016, 11:12 AM

    So I was the fine cancelled or refunded?

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    Dec 16th 2016, 10:16 PM

    No…this was just the Advertising Standards Authority finding that the advertising industry voluntary code of practice was breached, they have no legal authority to force anyone to do anything. It was a completely pointless exercise to lodge this complaint against Transdev they wouldn’t have even sent a lawyer to hearing just their public relations people would have attended.

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    Dec 16th 2016, 12:40 PM

    They knew exactly what the sign ment.but we’ll done god loves a tryer

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    Mute Patrick Murphy
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    Dec 16th 2016, 3:10 PM

    There was a Court case last July re the LUAS where the Judge said that the ticket inspectors cannot stop you on the platform to ask you for a ticket because that is the ‘public highway’ and its only a Guard that can challenge you on the ‘public highway’ so LUAS inspectors, or any other inspector for that matter, can only challenge you on board the LUAS/Bus etc.

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    Dec 16th 2016, 8:57 AM

    I suppose it’s free park and ride for the Dogging. Community!

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    Dec 16th 2016, 9:49 AM

    I guess you had to be be there to get that

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    Dec 16th 2016, 2:13 PM

    In few months we’ll read how it cost half million of euros to establish what free park and ride mean and oxford English commission had to be established and called. It’s not scary what these morons spend their time debating about when there’s thousands of important issues around.

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    Mute Jason Murphy
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    Dec 16th 2016, 2:38 PM

    The red line should be called ‘The Mainline Express’

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    Dec 17th 2016, 9:04 AM

    I also got caught out by this and went dogging at the Red Cow Luas Car Park. Hope my fine is overturned

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