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Iranian president warns foreign forces to stay out of the Gulf

It comes as the United States sends more troops to the region in a defensive capacity.

iran-persian-gulf-tensions Hassan Rouhani reviews a military parade marking 39th anniversary of outset of Iran-Iraq war. PA Images PA Images

IRAN’S PRESIDENT SAYS his country should lead regional security in the strategic Persian Gulf and warned against the presence of foreign forces.

It comes as the country’s nuclear deal with world powers collapses and the United States deployed more troops to boost security for its Arab allies.

The US has said Iran is behind a series of attacks on the region’s energy infrastructure, including a major drone-and-missile hit on Saudi Arabia’s oil industry that shook global energy markets. Iran has denied the allegations and said any retaliatory strikes from the US or Saudi Arabia will lead to “all-out war”.

Speaking during a military parade, President Hassan Rouhani said that the presence of foreign forces in the Gulf could cause problems for the world’s “energy security”.

He said that Iran extends its “hand of friendship and brotherhood” toward regional nations for overseeing security in the Persian Gulf and its narrowest point, the Strait of Hormuz, where one-fifth of global oil exports passes.

Along with boosting troop and equipment levels in Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates, the US is leading a maritime coalition, which includes the UAE, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Britain and Australia, to secure the area’s waterways and vital oil trade routes.

In Tehran, the military parade marked the 39th anniversary of the start of the eight-year war with Iraq that began when Saddam Hussein invaded Iran in 1980.

Amid the fanfare, Iran displayed the Khordad-3 air defense system that shot down a US drone in June.

iran-persian-gulf-tensions Iranian army troops marching at a the military parade. PA Images PA Images

It also showed an Iranian medium-range missile that can travel up to 2,000 kilometers, putting it in range of Israel and US bases in the region.

Similar parades were held in major cities and towns across the country including the port city of Bandar Abbas near the Strait of Hormuz.

State TV showed scores of Iranian fast attack boats, as well as air defense and other military equipment. It also carried images of Iranian Revolutionary Guard naval forces rappelling down the side of a sailing ship.

The US navy has often complained about Guard fast boats and naval forces harassing shipping in the Gulf.

The chief of the powerful Revolutionary Guard, General Hossein Salami, threatened the “destruction of any aggressor” against Iran the day before.

Iran has long sought the evacuation of Western and US forces from Arab Gulf countries, seeing it as a potential threat to the Persian nation.

Rouhani added that he will offer a regional peace plan during his visit to the United Nations this week. Fears of a wider regional conflagration have grown, as tensions between Iran and the US remain high over Tehran’s failing 2015 nuclear deal.

Recently, Iran has broken the deal’s limits on enrichment, uranium stockpiles and the use of advanced centrifuges, as it seeks to pressure Europe to offer it a way to sell its crude oil on the international market despite US sanctions.

President Donald Trump unilaterally withdrew America from the deal over a year ago, and re-imposed crippling sanctions on Iran.

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    Mute Paul Maguire
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    Sep 22nd 2019, 12:26 PM

    Another excuse for a war in the region. Arms sales will be on the way up.

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    Sep 22nd 2019, 1:53 PM

    @Paul Maguire: if going war to Iran will cause Fuel price big increases & Iran are pathetic

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    Sep 22nd 2019, 12:35 PM

    Lets pull out of a legal, internationally negotiated agreement, that even our own intelligence agencies agree Iran is adhering to, says the self declared stable genius in the White House , it will make the world a safer place, now we have sky rocketing oil prices and the region on the edge of war, this is what happens when morons are elected to high office.

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    Sep 22nd 2019, 12:45 PM

    @Gavan Duffy: Plenty of donors backed Trump’s election bid on the promise that he would scrap the Iran deal when in office. So scrap the deal he has. These are the same donors who benefit financially and politically from instability in the Middle East. Guess who

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    Sep 22nd 2019, 12:46 PM

    @Gavan Duffy: it doesn’t matter who’s in government in America they will all do the same Gavan.All war’s are bankers wars!!

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    Sep 22nd 2019, 2:12 PM

    @Gavan Duffy: They try and try, the Saudi oil refinery hit by drones was blammed on them what will happen next? Another gulf of Tonkin false flag.

    Here are some other admitted false flags check out number 6,7 and 8 on here; https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.globalresearch.ca/53-admitted-false-flag-attacks/5432931/amp

    Not a clickbait site; ergo, no adverts. Enjoy.

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    Sep 22nd 2019, 2:54 PM

    @Robert Phelan: Bankers and weapons manufacturers

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    Sep 22nd 2019, 1:09 PM

    The West and ex colonial powers should stay out of the middle full stop, constantly sticking it’s nose in and meddling in a country’s resources and trying to rig their governments to their liking.
    Why can’t we learn from history

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    Sep 22nd 2019, 2:40 PM

    @John Walsh: why does Iran interfere with Israel all the time?

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    Sep 22nd 2019, 2:56 PM

    @Mjhint: Perhaps because Isreal is the major problem in the middle East.

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    Sep 22nd 2019, 3:21 PM

    @Donal Desmond:
    The millennia old sunni vs shia schism is the major problem in the middle east.

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    Sep 22nd 2019, 3:45 PM

    @Donal Desmond: bahahaha that’s a gud 1. Nothing to with the 100′s of millions of crazies that surround them no

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    Sep 22nd 2019, 4:14 PM

    @Donal Desmond: True. Lots of folk in the ME want the place “judenfrei”. They’ll continue to be disappointed thankfully.

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    Sep 22nd 2019, 4:28 PM

    @Vote4Pedro: Think the crazies would be the Isreali war machine supplied by the West…. England and France divided up the old ottoman empire .. Sykes Picot secret agreement…root of all problems in the middle East.

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    Sep 22nd 2019, 4:43 PM

    @Donal Desmond: No Donal. The problem kicked off in the 7th century. The presence of a Jewish state merely adds another dimension to it. Unless you genuinely believe the region was a haven of peace and traquility prior to WW1.

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    Sep 22nd 2019, 4:51 PM

    @Donal Desmond:
    You think the problems in the middle east started with the sykes picot agreement??
    Bwahahaha!

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    Sep 22nd 2019, 5:39 PM

    @Clifford Brennan: The region was part of the ottoman empire… all of the present countries in the middle East were under British French rule after WW1. The fact America , Britain staged a coup to overthrow the democraticly elected government in Iran back in the 50s and installed a dictatorship certainly adds to the problem.

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    Sep 22nd 2019, 6:00 PM

    @Donal Desmond: What happened (and is still happening) in the 700 years before the Ottomans took control in the 14th century?

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    Sep 22nd 2019, 6:49 PM

    @Donal Desmond: there has been a civil war going on in the Islamic world for over a 1000 years and America isn’t even 300. If you disbelief me sit down with any devout Muslim & ask him about his other Muslim brothers and sisters before even get to the west or the Jews. Its an enlighten experience which explains Israeli paranoia.

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    Sep 22nd 2019, 8:27 PM

    @Clifford Brennan: You mean what was happening in Europe also .. tribal wars. The problem now is still the West now with Russia involved also.. One thing friends of the U.S. in the middle East should be worried about is the loyalty of the U.S. Remember they hung Saddam for WMD which never existed, They supported him in the war against Iran… where were the Americans when the dictator they supported fled after the revolution in Iran.

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    Sep 22nd 2019, 12:49 PM

    Have I missed something? I do not understand this constant aggression towards Iran. Who have they invaded? Of course they start up with threats after being bullied. All I know of is a London cop, Yvonne Fletcher, killed by a nutter inside the Iranian Embassy there. Is this just all about trying to grab oil on the cheap?

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    Sep 22nd 2019, 2:41 PM

    @WoodlandBard:
    Yes you are missing something. True, Iran doesn’t invade other sovereign nations with its own troops, but what it does do is fund and arm proxy militia groups in various other nations, about half a million of them according to this:
    https://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/world/iran/proxy-groups.htm

    If it’s wrong for the US to arm insurgent groups in various sovereign states, surely it’s wrong for Iran to do the same, particularly when they can issue direct orders to those proxies:
    “We (IRGC) told Yemenis [Houthi rebels] to strike two Saudi oil tankers, and they did it”
    (An IRCG commander quoted by Iranian state news agency Fars in 2018)
    https://m.dw.com/fa-ir/iran/a-44987962

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    Sep 22nd 2019, 2:41 PM

    @WoodlandBard: Salman Rushdie?

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    Sep 22nd 2019, 2:57 PM

    @The Great Unwashed: Just like the proxy armed groups supported by the U.S.

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    Sep 22nd 2019, 3:13 PM

    @WoodlandBard: The conflict between Saudi Arabia and Iran has been going on for over 1000 years. It pre-dates Islam. Iranians are Persian, Saudis are Arabs. Religion is a secondary factor. That old conflict resurfaced after the 1979 Islamic Revolution.

    Since the 1979 Iranian revolution, Iran has sponsored several proxies in the region to counter US support of it’s proxies (Israel, Saudi Arabia and Gulf States initially). Iran supported Hezbollah in Lebanon and the Assad dictatorship in Syria. The aim was to counter US support in the region.

    However, since the 2003 invasion of Iraq, which Iran felt threatened it’s security, Iran responded by expanded its support into Iraq and other countries. It supported Nouri al-Maliki’s former pro-Iranian government as well as several pro-Iran militias in Iraq e.g. Kata’ib Hezbollah. It also sent several thousand Revolutionary Guard Corp to Syria to support the Assad dictatorship, countering the US effort to overthrow their Iranian ally. It still supports Hezbollah in Lebanon and Hamas in Gaza (most of their money comes from Iran).

    And in the last few years, Iran has started supporting the Houthi rebels in Yemen. The civil war there basically boils down to who will be the next dictator: the Houthis man Ali Abdullah Saleh (that Iran wants) or Saudi Arabia’s man Abdrabbuh Mansur Hadi.

    So it’s a repeat of the Cold War, it’s the same old story of US v’s USSR.

    Iran is trying surround itself with friendly allies just like the USSR did with Eastern Block. And the US has not changed one bit itself, it is still installing and supporting some of the worst governments in the word, arming Jihadist rebels and cosying up to dictators.

    And why have things gotten worse?

    The Obama Nuclear deal additionally involved the US giving up its threat to destroy Iran, how nice of them. It was nice and stable agreement, worked well, and was a possible stepping stone to a better deal.

    However, the Trump administration (John Bolton and Mike Pompeo) was pissed that the Nuclear deal did not also involve getting Iran to give up sponsoring it’s proxies. So Trump scrapped the Nuclear Deal altogether and called for a new deal that involves Iran giving up sponsorship of it’s proxies (it’s also claimed Trump simply didn’t like Obama’s deal becasue he hates Obama). The US also reinstated its offical goal of overthrowing the Iranian government.

    Iran responded by saying it would only roll back support of its proxies if the US reduces it’s support in the region. In other words, No.

    The scrapped nuclear deal also gave the hardliners in Iran the upper hand over the reformers, “You failed, it’s or turn.”

    Iran effectively has two parallel governments, the elected office of the President of Iran Hassan Rouhani, a reformer; and the unelected Supreme Leader, Ali Khamenei (a mullah), who took over after the death of Khomeini in 1989. He is a hardliner.

    And not only does Iran have two governments, it also has separate armies and navies. The supreme leader commands the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Cops army and navy, they were founded in 1979 by Khomeini to protected the internal security of Iran but they expanded to become a proper army due to the Iran-Iraq war of 1980-88. Due to the formidable threat of the IRGC navy, US ships have not dared to enter the Gulf in years.

    Iran’s forigne policy is now guided by Ali Khamenei and the hardliners. I don’t think the US realise what they did here, they think they are dealing with the same people. No, these are a different group altogether.

    I don’t see a way out of this. Iran is attacking strategically, as warnings, blowing holes in tankers, capturing a ship (Stena Imperio), blowing up oil installations. They have not killed anyone, it is tactically brilliant. How cares about money getting blown up.

    Ian is trying to get Saudi Arabia and the US to give them Yemen. They are trying to get the US to back off and stop threatening their security. There may be some hardliners in Iran who want war, just as they are some in the Trump Administration who want the same. We’re living in dangerous times.

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    Sep 22nd 2019, 3:26 PM

    @Donal Desmond:
    So would you agree if it’s wrong for the US to do it then it’s also wrong for Iran to do it?

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    Sep 22nd 2019, 3:33 PM

    @David Jordan:
    Nice summary.

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    Sep 22nd 2019, 10:21 PM

    @The Great Unwashed: Certainly, but your comment seems Iran is responsible for the problems in the middle East. If It’s one thing the U.S. Isreal , Russia, England, France have in common it’s their involvement in proxy wars.

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    Sep 22nd 2019, 10:55 PM

    @Donal Desmond:
    So do you agree it’s wrong for Iran to interfere in the affairs of sovereign nations too, or not?
    Simple question!

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    Sep 23rd 2019, 12:49 AM

    @The Great Unwashed: You ask a question.. fair enough… yet you fail to mention U.S. and the western involvement in destabilising other countries. . Is it wrong for another country to interfere in another country…. Guatemala, Honduras, Chilie, El Salvador, Panama, Colombia, Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq…is that an answer.?.

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    Sep 23rd 2019, 2:33 AM

    @Donal Desmond:
    From the tone of your ‘answer’ (which wasn’t actually an answer – a yes or no would have sufficed) I’m guessing that either you think Iran is wrong to interfere in other sovereign nations but you can’t bring yourself to admit it, or you’re a hypocrite but you can’t bring yourself to admit it.

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    Sep 23rd 2019, 10:05 AM

    @The Great Unwashed: Your a good man on word play yourself….think my responce was sufficient.

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    Sep 22nd 2019, 2:05 PM

    So a country whom its entire history has never invaded another country is suddenly a threat to the world? I mean c’mon it is ludicrous to believe the American/Israeli war mongers. Iran are doing what everyone has a right to do; defend itself from tyranny and international bullys. Sure their human rights aren’t up to par with us in the West but they are not evil people at all. Leave them alone plain and simple.

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    Sep 22nd 2019, 2:51 PM

    @Thomas: untrue, Iran has the UAE of sharjah taking the tunb islands in 1971. Have done so previously in history but in modern times this is only one of note.

    However since the Islamic revolution they have not needed to invade other countries, instead like during the cold War they have proxies do their bidding be that Hezbollah, Hamas, the Houthis or assad.

    Iran is insidious in how it acts. Go their as foreigner and watch how secret police would follow you.

    Don’t agree with the US approach. Either mind you.

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    Sep 22nd 2019, 3:02 PM

    @James O Donoghue: Hezbollah yes, Hamas no. Hamas are sunni, Iran are are shia. Hamas were an Israeli invention to counter Arafats PLO, that turned on their creator. If there was any real co-operation between Hezbollah and Hamas, then Isreal would have had a lot harder time of it 10 or 15 years ago when both these groups were at their peak powers. Hamas may get some moderate backing from Iranian sources but it would be merely enough to be a pebble in the shoe of the IDF and never nearly enough for Hamas to even consider any serious engagement with Isreal

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    Sep 22nd 2019, 3:19 PM

    @D H: Nope. Mujama Al Islamiya were a religious charity which were sponsored by Israel to build schools, colleges, clinics and various other endeavours to counter PLO influence via social supports. Once the leader went rogue and established Hamas, all funding unsurprisingly stopped.

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    Sep 22nd 2019, 3:23 PM

    @D H: Almost all Hamas’ money comes from Iran, that support as suspended for a while after Hamas backed the wrong horse in the Syrian civil war. It announced it was supporting the rebels, bad move. But they changed their position after it became clear Assad was several furlongs ahead. They asked for forgiveness and the flow of money started again.

    Here’s the Hamas leadership meeting the Iran’s Supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei in 2009:

    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20190114-the-hamas-iran-alliance-remains-and-expands/

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    Sep 22nd 2019, 3:42 PM

    @D H:
    Wrong. Even though they’re Sunni, Iran have a strategic relationship with Hamas due to their common hatred of Israel. This is unlikely to be a long-term alliance as circumstances change but as it stands Iran are the main sponsors of Hamas.

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    Sep 22nd 2019, 3:46 PM

    @Thomas: Persian empire?

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    Sep 22nd 2019, 6:12 PM

    @David Jordan: Almost all Hamas money used to come from Saddam, and from Gaddafi who threw money at any rebel cause that didnt target his own regime. as well as their own diaspora, hence their dramatic fall both militarily and financially in recent years. Iran, like i said earlier only give Hamas enough to be a minor irritation to Isreal, but never enough to become a force like Hezbollah.

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    Sep 22nd 2019, 6:12 PM

    @The Great Unwashed: See my answer above

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    Sep 22nd 2019, 6:16 PM

    @Clifford Brennan: Yea, the front runner to Hamas…. Isreali money built Hamas, much like American money funded the mjahideen which morphed into Al Qaeda. One would think that these idiots wouldlearn from each others mistakes…..

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    Sep 22nd 2019, 7:52 PM

    @D H: No, Israeli money built infrastructure to support their social programmes. They worked out/ developed their murderous ideology themselves. Mujama Al-Islamiya were specifically opposed to violence, so comparing them to the Mudjahideen morphing into Al Qaeda isn’t accurate.

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    Sep 22nd 2019, 2:24 PM

    Never forget that the US was behind the 1953 coup to overthrow the democratically elected leader. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat?wprov=sfti1

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    Sep 22nd 2019, 5:23 PM

    @Hugh Corcoran: The problem, or problems here, is that the Middle East is a mess right now and anyone expressing an independent opinion is accused of being a supporter of one country or even a spy of another.
    At best it’s a misrepresentation of the facts to say that Iran adhered to the nuclear agreement, it didn’t. The fact that the IAEA had to monitor and continue monitoring Iran should give should give some indication that they needed watching to keep them in line. Regardless of anyone’s opinions, this is a country that has repeatedly said they’d like to build a nuclear weapon and when they do the first country they’ll target is Israel. I don’t think anyone doubt’s their sincerity.
    This is why the Israeli intelligence services carried out a raid on a secret Iranian facility in early 2018 and acquired a half-ton of documents, materials and CD’s proving Iran have been working on building nuclear weapons. When shown to Robert Kelley, a nuclear engineer and former inspector for the IAEA, said in Vienna, after being shown some of the fruits of the document theft. “The papers show these guys were working on nuclear bombs.”
    In late 2015 Iran granted IAEA inspectors partial access to the Parchin military complex, where they found particles of uranium. Nevertheless, the implementation of the deal proceeded, showering Iran with billions of dollars in sanctions relief. The Israeli documents were able to prove Iran discussing nuclear activity at Parchin hitherto unknown to the IAEA. No known follow-up visit to Parchin has occurred since 2015, contravening standard IAEA protocol. Unfortunately politics took priority over protocol.
    While I’m no fan of Trump, as his increased sanctions against Iran began to bite they began to hit back. As one of their tankers, illegally selling oil to Syria was seized, they began to seize the tankers of other nations on trumped up charges. Then they began to plant limpet mines on them, although when caught on camera this mysteriously stopped.
    Their next attack was against a Saudi refinery, blaming this on Houthi rebels, again though, the evidence against them is overwhelming. The idea that the US would deliberately create a “False Flag” attack pointing the blame at Iran is irrational, they genuinely don’t want a war in the Middle East against Iran. For quite a while it’s been the foreign policy of the US to keep the price of oil as low as possible, right now they’re pretty much oil independent, whereas a country like Russia has an oil dependent economy. In short, the higher the price of oil goes, all the better for Russia. If there were to be any conflict in the Middle East the price of oil would inflate to never before seen prices, the attack on the refinery caused a 10% jump in world prices.
    And this is what’s happening. Iran is pressing the buttons of every other nation, hoping they’ll put pressure on the US to force them back to the negotiating table, while publicly Iran can still say they wouldn’t sit down with the US again… but…

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    Sep 22nd 2019, 2:48 PM

    Im with iran on this one, america needs to keep out of other counties, if saudi arabia had no oil, the yanks wouldnt be assisting them at all, amy war that happens is caused as usual by the yanks wanting to be the big power of the world

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    Sep 22nd 2019, 3:46 PM

    @Karl Charlie:
    Then shouldn’t Iran also desist from sponsoring proxy armies within various other sovereign nations?

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    Sep 22nd 2019, 12:18 PM

    Yeah “Say out of our Bidness” lol

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    Sep 22nd 2019, 1:14 PM

    I hope the Iranians call their bluff and flatten their Israeli outposts and sink their war ships.
    Someone really needs to tell the US to shut up and mind their own….

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    Sep 22nd 2019, 1:19 PM

    @Nigel Mcatamney: Genius. What happens after the Israeli outposts are flattened and their war ships are sunk? I don’t imagine you’ll be on the front line at any stage.

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    Sep 22nd 2019, 1:28 PM

    @Nigel Mcatamney:
    We take it you are not next or nigh the Middle East?
    Best follow your own advice!

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    Sep 23rd 2019, 4:35 AM

    @Nigel Mcatamney: I dont think you need a car to go to work ,if the mid east isn’t policed by US ,supplies would be erratic at best ,we must get away from oil

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    Sep 22nd 2019, 4:21 PM

    Saudi oil bombing is looking more and more like a false flag. Houthis with drones!?

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    Sep 22nd 2019, 4:26 PM

    @Cormac Ó Braonáin: Oh dear Cormac.
    “Mahdi al-Mashat, head of the Houthi’s supreme political council, which controls the rebel-held areas in Yemen.
    “We declare ceasing to target the Saudi Arabian territory with military drones, ballistic missiles and all other forms of weapons, and we wait for a reciprocal move from them,” Mashat said on the Houthi-run Al Masirah TV.”

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    Sep 22nd 2019, 4:59 PM

    @Clifford Brennan:
    Awww leave him alone, he’s having a bad day – on an earlier thread he was denying that the houthis are an Iranian-backed group.

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    Sep 22nd 2019, 5:07 PM

    @The Great Unwashed: Lol. He claimed the other day that Hezbollah were created by Israel too. Comedy gold if it wasn’t so wilful.

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    Sep 22nd 2019, 11:21 PM

    Fair dues, lads. Both of ye are playing a blinder on this thread. But what happened to Sunday being a day of rest? Remember the Sabbath!

    But you don’t need to be an expert on geography to question how the Iranians are supplying the Houthis considering all air, sea and land routes into Yemen are controlled by the Saudis and Yanks.

    As for how Israel created Hezbollah, don’t look now! https://www.wrmea.org/002-november/israel-created-two-of-its-own-worst-enemies-hamas-and-hezbollah.html

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    Sep 23rd 2019, 2:36 AM

    @Cormac Ó Braonáin:
    So where are they getting all their weapons from, the AK47 fairy??

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    Sep 23rd 2019, 2:37 AM

    @Cormac Ó Braonáin:
    PS sorry to burst your bubble but I’m not religious.

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    Sep 22nd 2019, 5:49 PM

    Another false flag for another unjust war. No matter how many times it happens it’s simply allowed, every time.

    The billionaires will be delighted.

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    Sep 22nd 2019, 6:05 PM

    @Artugal:
    Did you miss the bit where the houthis claimed responsibility?

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    Sep 22nd 2019, 7:47 PM

    @The Great Unwashed: oh, pray tell what part of Iran are the houthis are from?

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    Sep 22nd 2019, 8:57 PM

    @Artugal:
    If the saudis or the US themselves did this (as some have claimed) then you may have had a point about a false flag.
    Who funds and arms the houthis, pray tell?

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    Sep 22nd 2019, 9:27 PM

    @The Great Unwashed: well on that point of false flags you’re right, however this event is being used as a false flag in its literal sense; i.e swapping flags. If we were to hold funding and arm sales to account then 911 was a US investment…

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    Sep 23rd 2019, 2:42 AM

    @Artugal:
    By providing the boeings to be hijacked?

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    Sep 23rd 2019, 1:41 PM

    @The Great Unwashed: The chickens came home to roost.

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    Sep 22nd 2019, 11:12 PM

    The Saudis want a war and that is because they are Sunni Muslims who have a 1400 year old sectarian grudge against any Shia Muslim and vice versa. The Saudis would love a war with Iran if they could get the US and Europe to join them in attacking Iran. The Saudi influence over the West is oil…

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