This is a family of refugees. There’s no “economic” bit here, they are refugees by definition.

Stop looking at skin colour Martin, there’s no need. They’re all human.

The truth is that we cannot accept every migrant or social as Stephen says “Social and Economic” refugees just because their countries are in the sh_t economically. It puts a massive drain on our (and other European countries) housing, health, education etc.

I think you’ve completely missed my point, Darragh, which was that we shouldn’t be looking at skin colour or necessarily making a quick judgement on ‘economic migrants’

darragh I think that if the refugees have a better education or are able to contribute better to the economy than say an Irish person then they should be allowed to stay and an Irish person with no skills and being a drain on our economy should be deported to say syria, that way we get smart people who can pay more taxes for us and we lose Irish spongers and wasters.

where you live, should not decide wether you live or wether you die… we could be doing more for these people.

@Cupid Stunt,
I think that’s what’s called Ethnic Cleansing.

@Tony Canning

If they are Refugees then I guess we will be sending them home after the war is finished like all the WW2 Refugees were returned after WW2 ?

I’m not sure if that’s a question, a wish or a statement of just plain weirdness….

The UN refugee convention was in 1951 – after WWII. and this is not a world war.

Is there a point to your comment?

@TheJeff

Whether I agree with you or not is a mute point because no one can possibly take you seriously with a statement as ludicrous and historically inaccurate as the one you just made

I don’t know eamon, from what I hear it costs a lot for these refugees to get from say Iraq to Greece etc, a few thousand Euro. these people are obviously good at saving and or have a good credit rating. There’s a lot of Irish people without a penny to their name both white Irish or otherwise, wouldn’t it make sense to let in refugees with business sense and savings and deport all our prosion population and welfare recipients.

@Stephen Duggan, regarding:
“Anyone lucky enough to be able to get out of Syria should really receive all the help available to them.”

Not so sure about that.

An American Born Syrian has said many Syrians Are Not Refugees but Free Loaders Looking for a Free Ride in Europe.

Here is some of what Deena Stryker says of her fellow Syrians:

“My husband is one of 10 children. Of that large extended family, many have taken the boats to Europe now. Some are in Sweden, Denmark, Italy and Germany. Several are in Turkey. None of these people needed to leave Syria. They were all living in safe, violence free zones (Latakia on the coast). None of them had been attacked or threatened or were in any danger from Syrian government, or police, etc.”

“Why did they leave? They left homes and cars and possessions here in order to take up the offer of FREE money and housing in Europe. They had been sure that once in Europe they will be given free medical, education, housing, food and provided for in every way forever. They think of Europe as “El Dorado”. There is also a large dose of jealousy involved, as they saw their neighbors going and they didn’t want to be left behind. Syrian hate to see someone else get a good deal, and not get a piece of the pie themselves.”

http://www.opednews.com/articles/An-American-Born-Syrian-Sp-by-Deena-Stryker-American-Hegemony_Education_Food_Government-150814-791.html

Also, A Dutch journalist recently travelled to Kos and did a huge report exposing the refugees as not being refugees who fear for their lives but just rich people who like living in Europe better. This report has caused a sensation in the Netherlands.

http://nieuws.tpo.nl/2015/08/15/niemand-is-naar-kos-gevlucht-omdat-zijn-of-haar-leven-gevaar-liep/

Turkey takes refugees and has been praised by UN for how it treats them

http://www.unhcr.org/pages/49e48e0fa7f.html

Why risk a sea crossing if Turkey can look after you ?

Poor old Europe

Maybe we should not deport all the travelers, welfare recipients and people “who ain’t worth nothing to the economy” as some people seem to be suggesting. Instead we should deport all the right wing nut jobs who always comment on these threads. Maybe not to an actual warzone, because that’s evil, but to somewhere far, far away, with no internet access.

Leving aside usual “statement I feel sorry etc etc……”All of the people on Kos have come from Turkey (unless the Turks are forcing them on to leave at gun point, like Nigeria did in the 1980s) where they are at least “safe” they pay a 1000 to be dropped on a small Greek (EU) Island where they must be fully aware of what awaits them.
Thousands of Irish people holiday and many have holiday homes there also.

Is Turkey so bad that one will get into a little rubber boat with your children to get to Kos?

Another rather strange think 100s of thousands of mainly Muslems are fleeing Islamic countries for the relative safety of “Christian” countries and then, in many cities (Limerick) we have some of them trying to convert us to the “loving embrace” Islam.

I know this is highly unpc but are we in the west completely bonkers with a cultural death wish? Seems like it to me!!!

How about we keep those on welfare and the refugees and deport people who define the worth of human beings by how much is in their bank accounts? That way we get rid of Cucking Funts like yourself and the wonderful wealthy types who’ve served Ireland so well in recent years.

My last comment was for the Cupid Stunt guy.

@gkrell. Quite right. And there was a recent story in the Guardian on the refugees in the Med. where one Syrian in ‘dire straits’ was able to cough up $100,000 to get him to Italy. Is he gonna get all welfared up with state money on top of his pile of money that ought be going to needy people?

”’”Hajj uses both wooden trawlers and inflatable Zodiac dinghies to shunt people towards Italy and claims the Zodiacs are the safest method. Once, he claims, a Syrian family paid him $100,000 to ensure they got to Italian waters, and he gave them a Zodiac all to themselves.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/24/libyas-people-smugglers-how-will-they-catch-us-theyll-soon-move-

Syrians are white ? I would have said they are middle eastern, wouldn’t you ? And not just as a culture, but as a race. I think there’s huge differences between white people and middle eastern people in skin tone and features so your point doesn’t have much depth. BTW if it were an African, Asian or any other country going through what Syria is, I still wouldn’t have a problem, and where did I even hint that I would ?

Garr, I got you there, didn’t I, I don’t really think it’s a good idea to export our people, I’m just sick and tired of all the right wing neo cons here who want to throw woman and kids into the sea and stop them from fleeing war zones. most of the people here who advocate sending them back I doubt have ever been further than Santa ponsa. how about we send them over to kos and they can personally push toddlers back into the sea if there so brave and tough.

@Cupid Stunt. Why don’t we get started on throwing the free-loaders who are not native to our shores back to where they wouldn’t get away with being so damn parasitic. Look at what we could do for genuine refugees with the $Billions saved,

—”The Daily Telegraph reported in 2012 that 75% of all Muslim women are unemployed while 50% of all Muslim men are unemployed (67.5% total) – a staggering 350% rise from 13% for men and 18% for women in 2004. Muslims are also on sick leave more than anyone else, with 2001 figures revealing that 24% of females and 21% of males claim disability. Muslims are the most likely among all religious groups to be living in accommodation rented from the council or housing association (28%); 4% live rent-free (2004 figures). As if this is not enough, the total prison population in the UK amongst category A and B criminals (third degree criminals) is now 35-39% Muslim.
https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2012/10/09/britain-sinking-under-unproductive-muslims-costing-13-billi

So, we have some posts on here that label the idea of sharing a story about refugees as “sob stories” while we have others sharing stories that seem to attempt to devalue the millions of genuine refugees from Syria – and that’s apparently ok?

It’s great to be able to sit at a computer and read the stories that fit a certain narrative – then pass them on while simultaneously ignoring the millions of genuine cases.

So, given that very few of those making such posts have ever even met a refugee I’m just gonna stick up some bits about those I’ve met.

The first; driving a marked ambulance in Syria with 2 patients on board and on the way to a field hospital – barrel bombed by regime forces – lost his leg below the knee. After getting to Jordan and going through treatment, trained as a prosthetics technician and volunteers with our outfit.
The second; also working in a field hospital – helped the first get out of Syria to Jordan where medical help meant that he didn’t lose his complete leg resulting in a much more difficult life.
The third; blinded after being shot across the eyes by a regime sniper.
The fourth; Still recovering after a spinal injury resulting from shrapnel.
The fifth; works for a prosthetics charity project that has served over 2000 amputees.

Many of the above receive little to no support – the WFP is underfunded and has cut a lot of food aid.
4 of them are in Jordan, 1 in southern Turkey. Those in Jordan are not allowed to work – not sure about turkey.

Anyone who thinks that getting to one of the 3 neighbouring countries who currently host over 4 million refugees means that people are safe and set up for an easy life should try visiting Za’atari, Reyhanli, Gazientep, Mufraq… Imagining that the first place people get to is where they should stay ignores a multitude of problems and is completely naive.

Why would I do that.
You seem to implying that we are responsible for every refugee on the planet.
No matter how many we take there will be hundreds of millions more, it’s a no win situation.

Eamon it probably is a no win situation, humanity however can definitely lose

@KallEll

He came from Turkey ?

And you seem to be implying that support for a particular policy means you have to carry it out yourself. Do I have to go work in a hospital if I want improved healthcare? Are you going to go fly a stealth bomber if you want ISIS bombed?

Rory, The world’s superpower nations are the underlying cause of the catastrophe. Ordinary people always pay the price when the capitalist elites grapple for ever more wealth and resources.

@billy dunne. I agree with that. As well ,from an economic point we need to have many more immigrants to create a healthy home market to offset any big downturn in the export market which could be disastrous for all. But we need to ensure that immigrants are properly processed and that no particular group will try to disrupt our society by making special demands for Sharia laws,etc..

Is someone who travels from Turkey to Greece a “refugee”??

Being a refugee is not about where you’re travelling to.

@Carmo Van. On the other hand Turkey is part of the conflict haven supported ISIS all along so they are well able to and should look after the problem they sustained.
Doing this would also go a long way towards healing Turkey’s soul for butchering over 2,000,000 Armenian and Greek Christians circa 2015-24..

Yet even if everything you say is correct, my point is still valid Patrick.

@Patrick that should read 1915-1924 Armenian Massacres-this year being the 100 anniversary.

And that young men won’t go back and fight for their country preferring a ‘better’ life on social support in the West is something you support ?

And that the camps are dangerous because they are inhabited by THE SAME PEOPLE THAT YOU WAN’T TO ALLOW INTO EUROPE !

@Vana,
You know damn well nobody is going to arrive at your door so you can easily spout this kind of nonsense, it’s in the same league as saying “if I won the lottery I’d give it all to charity”.

That’s not necessarily true @Eamon Mac Gowan. I remember as a child a mother and her children coming to my parents door. She was very upset as were her children. She was a stranger yet I remember my parents taking them in and helping them. I’m sure people like you hate people like me and that’s ok. You go ahead and keep on hating. I have very little in this world but I will always help other’s out if I can. It’s how I was brought up. If that upsets you or causes you upset that’s fine. That’s for you to deal with. I don’t give a two hoots what you think about me. So if it makes you feel better you go ahead and call me whatever the hell you want. People are different, we’re raised differently, we experience different things. I don’t like you’re opinions but respect you’re right to have them. Maybe you could do the same.

Well said Vana. My thoughts exactly.

@Vana, you don’t know anything about me. I would have done what your parents did, that was the just and decent thing to do.
However we cannot throw open our borders and take in any more people, we are doing a very poor job of looking after our our own poor and sick. They must always come first.

but Eamon, my proposal would solve your issue quite simply, if we have problems caring for family’s and communities etc over here wouldn’t it make more sense from an economic point of view to except educated and wealthy migrants and to export our own family’s that can’t stand on their own two feet. the country can’t afford to look after Irish people who can’t contribute and why should we. so at least export them till the economy is on the up and then if they want to come back it could be looked at on a case by case basis.

And you know nothing about me @Eamon but you still judge me and I’m supposed to sit back and just accept what you say! We’re very different people with very different opinions. So let’s just leave it at that.

I’m not involved in any right wing forum or group. The videos are all up, mostly on the front page of liveleak. It’s all raw and unedited footage.

Carmo, you’d do better to attack my argument rather than my character.

There was a story last week about riots in Greece.

How do they appear middle class? Are they sipping some champagne? Can middle class people not flee a war zone ?

@Stephen M: Your argument on here is your character. I don’t know you or want to know you. Of course immigrants do horrible things but they are also human beings. The article is about their humanity. Human’s of all categories do both good and bad. Are you saying that because some immigrants do terrible things, we should deny people their human rights, which include the right to asylum, granted under various U.N. charters? If there was a humanitarian crisis here, which is possible, I’d like to think that I would have the same right to asylum as these people, and that people like you would not have eroded them completely with your errant and short sighted opinions.

@Stephen M. In all fairness they did have similar when Muslims dumped 12 Christians into the sea to their deaths in the Med.
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/04/16/europe/italy-migrants-christians-thrown-overboard/.

@Kel – The story last week focused on the fact that the police had to respond with force to contain the illegals. I’ve seen several interviews with illegals at Calais saying they want to get into the UK because they want to. Its not about money. They like the English more than the French for some reason.

If the numbers that have fled the war zone had stayed behind to fight, then perhaps it wouldn’t be so bad now. If a similar situation occurred in Ireland I wouldn’t be leaving. I certainly wouldn’t be trying to illegal break borders where I am not wanted.

@Carmo – It is you who has the short sighted opinions. You advocate open borders and mass immigration with no controls. You have no experience or dealings with these people in their own societies. They don’t want to come and stay until things calm down, they want to resettle here. That is not alright with me or many many others across Ireland and Europe. When we do provide asylum they complain about not getting free education or being allowed to work. I wouldn’t ever have the audacity to complain to my saviours about such things.

They should be grateful to be given a bed, food and safety. They should leave when asked to. If this was the policy that was adhere to by governments and asylum seekers than I can guarantee you people would be a lot more open to helping. Ireland will not become another Sweden. People are finally waking up to that.

How did you meet your wife?

I don’t have a wife, I’m not married. What does it have to do with anything? I don’t ask if you are single or not? Although I don’t really have to.

@Stephen M. His comment is singularly stupid.

@Patrick – Yes, as is often the case with these open borders lunatics. They can’t develop a proper argument so they result to insults and character assassination.

@Stephen M.-Exactly Stephen.———Illigitimi Non Carborundum!